Greetings.

Hello.

Good day,

wherever you are in this beautiful world.

Thank you so much for joining True Hope Cast,

the official podcast for True Hope Canada.

My name is Simon.

I've got the pleasure of being your host today.

True Hope Canada is a mind and body based

supplement company that is dedicated first and

foremost to promoting brain and body health through

non-invasive nutritional means.

And for more information about us,

you can visit truehopecanada.com.

Today,

I've got the pleasure of welcoming Chelsea Dick to

the show.

Chelsea has been a user of True Hope Canada's

flagship product,

Empower Plus,

for over 10 years.

And it's allowed her to have a breakthrough with

her psychiatrist and begin transforming her life for

the better.

Today,

we're going to be discussing her recovery and touch

on some of the more important points when it comes

to mental illness.

So,

Chelsea,

thank you so much for joining me today.

I really appreciate it.

How are you doing?

Thank you.

I'm doing great here.

Thank you for having me on the show.

Of course.

Well,

I'm very interested,

too.

I think it's so important.

We were just talking off-air about how important it

is for people to share their stories and to be

open with such a vulnerable personal story,

because it allows other people to maybe think that

there is hope.

I'm not alone.

And there are alternatives out there to the

conventional kind of like reductionist one

pharmaceutical thing that might be able to support

me.

So it's really,

really motivating when we get to here.

And wonderful success stories when it,

you know,

when it's done with,

you know,

much more natural means.

So let's get like right into it.

What was life like?

What was life like before you ever heard of True

Hope and Empower Plus?

OK,

so life was really challenging.

It was I was in a really dark place when I was

17.

I had a car accident.

And from that point on,

I was diagnosed with bipolar one.

And my whole life changed.

So before True Hope,

I really was in a bad place where I lived in a

fog of medication after medication,

just trying to exist,

really.

And it was just hopeless.

I had given up on my goals and dreams in life.

I believe that I couldn't do any of the things

that I wanted to do,

that the mental illness was holding me back and

that it was a lifelong sentence of.

This life of despair and sadness and depression.

And it was really,

really a dark place for me.

Wow.

Yeah,

I mean,

so you you had this car accident when you were 17

and then.

Straight after that,

you had you had your diagnosis.

What was kind of the what can you give me some

more of the details there?

That's quite an interesting way of getting that

diagnosis.

Yeah.

So what happened was I had the car accident.

And hit the left side of my head,

um,

significantly and um,

soon after that,

my mom said,

my personality changed,

there was I was just different,

um,

right away.

I suffered from um,

amnesia,

and then um,

it became like insomnia set in; I just couldn't

cope with stress; I couldn't cope with things like

I used to um,

and then shortly after that,

I began losing sleep and losing sleep; and then I

started to hallucinate,

and then I was um,

I went on a trip to Italy with my school and um,

I went and it with the time change and it just

set in more insomnia and I started to hallucinate

and then I was actually taken to the hospital in

Italy and um,

given the drug Haldol to to bring me down and um,

then I was eventually taken home early you from

the trip and then right from there we went to the

hospital and I was um,

treated there; I was put in the psych ward shortly

after um,

I was only 17 so I was in the psych ward for a

couple weeks; I couldn't leave the the even the

the floor like I couldn't even get some fresh air;

it was really hard um,

so anyways the um,

I was diagnosed right then And there,

when I was in the hospital,

um,

they just wanted to diagnose me with something and

they said,

'You know,

for lack of better term,

a lack of better understanding,

we're just going to label you bipolar one,' and

they began treating me with numerous medications.

Um,

so right from that point,

I was diagnosed and then started the treatment of

pharmaceuticals.

So let me get this right: so you had this car

accident that came with a significant neurological

disease and you were diagnosed with a significant

neurological disease and you were diagnosed with a

significant neurological trauma to the left,

left side of your head and Then,

you had these symptoms seem to like keep coming up

and keep coming up and keep getting worse to the

point where um as you say you're in Italy and you

needed you needed medicating and then you came home

and you needed further psychological evaluation and

yeah really does sound like a massively lazy um

diagnosis because it's quite clearly like,

if you were any type of um experienced clinician,

you had to be looking at that that trauma from

the from the car accident what was the initial um

treatment from the accident so I assume you went

to the hospital after the car accident yes and

just they just checked it over.

Did some scans,

and they couldn't find any significant um damage.

But right away,

they wanted to label it; they wanted to label the

illness.

And and they said at the time like they didn't

even want to really look at the brain injury; they

wanted to just label it.

They said,

'It's probably hereditary.' My mom fought and fought

with them to try and you know get them to look

at it deeper,

that it was from the the brain injury.

And it was just kind of excused,

and just it really was lazy; it really wasn't even

looked at the way it should have been from the

beginning.

So right away,

I was given that label,

and that affected me hugely being 17 years old,

before that I had such a great life.

I was um very extroverted,

busy,

confident.

I had so many things going on,

extracurricular activities,

I was on the honor roll,

I had so many friends,

I worked jobs,

I just had a great life and I was happy and I

knew who I was.

And then all that was just taken away.

Amazing!

I mean,

obviously,

so you mentioned your mother was part of this this

process with you,

so obviously she and yourself are experiencing

everything from the beginning.

So like,

and you've got this car accident,

you've got this this brain trauma,

and everything that happens before that,

and it sounds like none of the medical

professionals Whether they are the people looking at

your immediate brain trauma at the hospital or

later on after your trip to Italy when you came

home,

and you you know you probably had like a psych

evaluation and everything.

It doesn't sound like any of them at any point

put your symptomology and that trauma together at

all or even like followed up on it no and no one

would listen to my mom and it was so frustrating

um she is my biggest advocate she fought so hard

and it eventually we just had to throw our hands

in the air and say okay,

what how can we deal with this?

They're telling you know,

take these medications and they will help and If

this doesn't work,

we'll try this one.

Meanwhile,

I gained 60 pounds; I completely lost my

self-esteem,

and then um,

just the side effects from all these meds it just

masks who I was.

I couldn't feel any emotions; um,

I couldn't even think straight like some of the

medications took away my memory so I'd be in the

middle of a sentence,

and I can't even remember what I was saying.

Um,

so it was just medication after medication which

nothing works,

and so I fell into a depression whether it be um

from the brain injury or probably combination of

both but just the circumstances and the you know

my life changing drastically,

and this.

label myself,

I fell into the stigma of it.

I fell into a victim mode and I let it overcome

me for many years.

I was medicated for 16 years on heavy medications,

um,

and I just like I said,

I just survived,

I just existed.

Um,

so it was just a combination of both,

but just the circumstances and the you know my

life changing.

It was a long,

it's been a long road,

it's been a long uh journey of healing and

discovering,

and and yeah,

it's just been very painful.

But now I'm on the other side of it,

and and life is is 100 times better,

great.

We're certainly going to get into that,

absolutely.

I think that just thinking about it or looking

back from your perspective.

Now,

to just being 17 and you know at that age you

know,

obviously,

don't know as much as you do 10,

20,

30 years later on,

and you're having to have people advocate for you

and the doctors are telling you what to do,

and you know,

it's must must have been so difficult being so

young and being kind of trapped in this body that

was body and mind that was probably unrecognizable

to before,

before the the accident itself.

Absolutely,

yeah,

that's what it felt like I was trapped inside this

body that I didn't even recognize physically,

I didn't even know,

recognize emotionally and or anyway,

so I completely felt that I lost myself,

has this.

Is that experience looking back at it towards you,

know yourself as a teenager?

Does that give you a lot of sympathy towards a

lot of young people who do experience um mental

illness be that depression,

anxiety,

ADHD,

all these so many different things that people

experience,

you know whether that's actually come from a trauma

or not,

you know psychologically people can you know become

become damaged in some sort of area and then they

we have to internalize these things and trying to

trying to explain it in a very difficult time um

how do you how does that make you feel about a

lot of younger people especially now in 2021 when

the world has just been flipped upside down when

it comes to mental illness how does that um as an

adult now how do you feel about that towards young

young people well my heart goes out to them it

breaks my heart because when dealing with mental

illness it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's

it's it's it's a lot of people feel alone in that

and no one understands what they're going through

and each individual is unique and their

circumstances and their the illnesses that they

experience are unique to them um so I just think

it's it's heartbreaking and it it's really

unfortunate that we're still in a place where

pharmaceuticals

Are the answers and we're still in a place where

it's getting shuffled under the rug that these

people are experiencing such things being a young

adult,

you're just discovering who you are,

you know um navigating your life and trying to

hold it all together,

and when you're experiencing mental illness on top

of all of that,

it's so challenging.

So my heart goes out to them,

and yeah I I find it so frustrating when I hear

so many stories of of young people doing their

very best with the with the limited explanations

that they have of what they're experiencing,

telling people that they're not going to be able

to do what they want to.

do or what they're going through and then people

usually adults or parents or doctors telling them

that oh it's just a phase it's a hormonal thing

you know you're 17 18 you're supposed to be you

know going through going through like psychological

crises or something like that you know it's just

it just um really winds me up in regards to how

ignorant we are as a complete culture when it

comes to when it comes to mental illness be that

for men be it for women be it for young people

it really is a big testament to how misunderstood

these things are and how much empathy and sympathy

and understanding is missing from the healing

process it's necessary for anybody not just young

people to to heal from something like that they're

not given the resources or the education to you

know the opportunities aren't there yeah and I

can't blame doctors or psychiatrists because they're

literally told in school you know we they they

come to a conclusion they come to a diagnosis and

then there's you know there's a playbook there's

there's a book for it or a computer system that

tells them what drug to prescribe or what cocktail

of drugs to to try first and then try second and

it's um yeah we we have this conversation so much

and it's shown in regards to so many

Wonderful things of modern medicine,

but the massive failure when it comes to dealing

with um complicated things.

We just try to put somebody's whole internal

experience into a box and then medicate it,

and believe that that somehow it's going to in the

long term do anything like cure or treat or you

know,

it's it's really quite...

it's really a pathetic model that that's been

hailed as you know something quite incredible,

but it's failed so many people.

And it's going to continue doing so unless massive

things change you know,

the educational level for these physicians.

But so you mentioned that you were so you were 17

when

This all happened um and then you started your

pharmaceutical journey,

let's call it at 17 and then you said you're on

it for 16 years so what,

33 you,

you had a what,

what happened in those 16 years,

yeah in 16 after 16 years or during well yeah,

you can give me a like what was your experience

with those pharmaceuticals for 16 years,

were you on the same thing,

did you bounce from medication to medication so

right away they started me with many like they

just treated with medications and they weren't

working,

so at the beginning it was a lot of you know

trial and error and trying to figure things out um

and then they for the majority of The 16 years I

was on lithium and Celexa,

um,

and so those two drugs,

um,

the lithium just made me completely numb,

you know,

I couldn't think,

I couldn't feel,

um,

I slept a lot,

I slept a lot,

I probably in the 16 years can honestly say like

I slept 75% of it,

80% of it,

it's crazy,

um,

I used sleeping to just escape from everything,

I could barely hold down unemployment,

um,

I just was getting by really,

um,

so during those 16 years I was mainly on the two

medications,

but at the beginning we we were i was given a

different,

different types to try to see if something would

work,

but they only it seemed to make me worse,

like the depression got so heavy at times.

And I fell into those deep depressions,

and it was like,

just,

I'd be okay,

and then it would be bad,

and it was a constant cycle of not being okay,

but sometimes worse than others.

Um,

and then after the 16 years was when we had that

breakthrough.

So,

I was introduced to True Hope um from a doctor in

Panticton,

wonderful lady.

And at the end of the 16 years,

I was on the same medication,

and I was on the same medication,

and at that point,

we started,

we tried to go off all the meds and and just use

True Hope.

And at that time,

uh,

it wasn't really working very well because I was

on so many heavy drugs for so long um,

so we were going really slow.

to to um paper off those drugs and get me off of

them and use true hope and power plus um to you

know help with that and so right at that point um

that's when things started to change it's it was a

process over time of the 10 years of taking the

product um but right away i felt better i was

starting to get pieces of myself back it was kind

of like layers of um the effects from the

medication or kind of lifting and i started to

feel i started to experience you know what i felt

before all of this happened and i started to get

those pieces back of myself and so over you know

the 10 years of taking true hope and power plus

that's when my life started

to change and that's when the healing began and so

um that's when things just got better amazing

amazing so it sounds like the 16 years on

pharmaceuticals was a up and down roller coaster

and and it sounds like when you when you talk

about like you slept a lot and you felt numb it

sounds like the incredible systems and you know

kind of highways of connectivity we have within our

body kind of just like got like shut down in

different areas because i try and find ways where

a lot of people come on the show try and find

ways of explaining the difference of like being on

a pharmaceutical and have what that does to your

mind the body

and then being on something like a broad spectrum

micronutrient for the brain,

you know,

just like super nutrition in a super bioavailable

way,

that's been missing from the body for,

you know,

in your instance 16 years,

and what that does,

you know,

starts open up opening up these channels,

cells,

and cells can start communicating with each other,

they've not done in such a long time,

so you would start to feel very,

very different and you know,

like you,

you kind of like did before,

how I mean it's probably very,

I don't know if you can try,

I'd love for you to try and explain how that felt

when you know,

once you obviously started slowly because You know

it's very important if you're on any kind of

psychotropic medication to work with our

micronutrient support team,

work with your physician if you're going to start

tapering off and start using something like Empower

Plus to um to to heal yourself and treat yourself.

So can you try and explain perhaps like how giving

your body like this actual nutrient brain food felt

different?

Yeah,

so one of the major things that I experienced on

the pharmaceuticals was memory loss and I couldn't

recall you know memories from my past,

I had long-term and short-term memory loss.

So one of the first things I started to notice

was

I was remembering things like experiences and

conversations,

and my childhood,

and um good times,

and it just started coming back.

That was huge,

that was a big,

a big,

you know,

um realization,

that this is working,

that things are opening up,

and then also I experienced like being able to

feel like to laugh and just really laugh hard and

cry,

and all these emotions started coming up in me

where you know I was angry,

I was quite angry that this happened,

and that I spent 16 years trapped like I was um

it took me a while to move through that um so it

was a lot of emotions coming up,

and it was scary because you're wondering oh my.

Goodness,

am I not okay?

I'm not okay.

I'm not okay.

I'm not okay.

I'm not okay.

I'm not okay.

I'm not actually going off the deep end because

I'm feeling again; that was confusing.

It was confusing because your brain's opening up

and it's healing and it's getting the nutrients

that it needs and it's working better and better,

and in the way that it should.

But at the same time,

I don't trust myself.

I don't trust my brain.

Um,

it's been masked and um medicated for so many

years that you don't know what's going on.

So,

I had to trust and I had to listen to my mom

saying,

'You got to keep going and you're you're doing

okay.' And you know um,

you're just Being yourself,

and it's okay to to be upset; it's okay to feel;

it's okay to want to dance and sing and and do

all these things that I hadn't done for years um

so it was big huge changes pretty quickly um it

was a process um and slowly like now I'm

completely 100% the Chelsea that I was before the

accident and that's the amazing breakthrough with

all of this and I couldn't have done it without

true hope and power,

plus absolutely no way I would have stayed on the

drugs and just existed; so the the practitioner in

Penticton that you mentioned was your journey going

to?

Can you tell us about your journey from you know

going from conventional

Pharmaceuticals to opening up the possibility of

using something alternative or natural because,

you know,

to get recommended that by a psychiatrist is

incredibly rare there are people out there that do

it absolutely but let's say 99.9 percent of

psychiatrists or um um or brain doctors people who

have concussions and other brain injuries they're

never really going to jump towards a broad spectrum

micronutrient to start healing the brain so how did

that transition from conventional to complementary

alternative medicine happen yeah so I moved from my

hometown and to Kelowna um and closer to my mom

and my mom.

has always believed in natural medicine you know

the holistic approach and she always knew that that

was the way that i needed to go um so but we

are following what the doctor said we are following

you know i was up north in alberta the medical

system for psychiatric um situations is not the

greatest um so i was just kind of stuck up there

and so moving to kelowna my mom was like we have

to find a natural medicine and i was like okay

i'm going to we have to find you know nothing's

working for you and we have to find something else

that's going to work and for other people in my

life it's very scary to even suggest that we're

going to

I went the natural route,

but my mom started researching and found Dr.

Charlene Reed,

and made me an appointment,

and I went to see her,

and the first appointment it was just like you

need True Hope and Power Plus,

and she told me an amazing story about her family

member that experienced very similar and that True

Hope changed her whole life so there was a lot of

hope right from just speaking with her,

um,

so that began the journey of,

you know,

the holistic natural medicine approach like

nutrients,

and that's how it came about; was my mom looked

up a natural path and we found her,

and how important was that doctor's personal Story

to your motivation,

to actually try it because I think a lot of

people,

especially after 16 years of you know being up and

down in regards to your own personal mood,

mind,

body,

everything.

How um how much did that story provide you with

the motivation and I hope that this might actually

work because a lot of people would probably there's

no way that these these this little blue bottle

can can it can heal he'll help me yeah!

It was huge because it was a story close to her

her heart and it it changed that whole person's

life,

they had hope that they could go and live a life

that they always dreamed of and she was traveling

the World,

like she her whole life had opened up so,

hearing this story,

it made me believe,

you know,

this could happen for me,

and that there is something like that,

there is it be,

so scary to,

you know,

go down the path of,

you know,

unconventional and and explore that um,

but I just felt in my whole soul that I needed

something to work here um,

so that story was very inspiring and and gave me

all the hope that to go with that to go with it

amazing yeah I think I mean you know empower plus

this micronutrient this broad spectrum micronutrient

is very far from quackery you know we've got 36

um third party independent studies you know it's

it's real.

Science and evidence that shows that it works,

and proves that it works,

and I think that when we hear a story like that

from somebody,

especially as a doctor,

right?

I think that obviously carries a lot more power.

But you can look into somebody's eyes and hear

that story and know that they are completely

genuine and authentic,

and I feel that that type,

that that you've,

you've made a connection with that individual and

that story,

and there's people who are part of it,

and that's why I think sharing stories of recovery,

of healing could be so prosperous and motivating

for other people to just try something new and

work with somebody.

Who understands what you've been through,

what you're going through,

the hopelessness of of conventional medicine in many

different ways,

and that there are options out there for people

because there are a lot of people who never find

the doctor that you found,

yes,

yeah,

and that's I feel that's a crime,

it is a crime,

yes,

I feel very blessed um in my journey because to

come across her and then to just keep going down

the path with Empower Plus and having a

breakthrough like we had a major breakthrough with

um a psychiatric doctor here in Kelowna in 2018 um

where he sat us down and I explained everything to

him and we told Him,

you know we've explained this many times and nobody

understands since nobody believes it's from a brain

injury uh nobody will even look at that and he he

looked at my mom and I,

and he said,

'You know what?

This is absolutely from the brain injury.'

And he said,

um,

all the symptoms you're experiencing are side

effects um they're from the brain injury,

they mimic bipolar one disorder,

and that's what you're experiencing.

And at that moment it was like a huge shift,

and it's what I needed to do to make sure that I

was able to do it and I was able to hear to

know that you know I wasn't gonna suffer forever

with this lifelong label um that there was.

Like that this was from the brain injury and that

there was a way of healing and so at that moment

it was just what I needed to hear to even release

more of that stigma of mental illness and that

label,

and that you know it just shifted everything at

that point as well.

Yeah,

again,

remarkable that you found that practitioner that was

able to just listen to you and validate everything

you've experienced,

everything that you might have been saying the

whole time.

I mean,

to somebody,

I'm not a medical doctor,

I'm not a neurologist,

but like it makes sense to me,

and I think so much in regards to brain injury

and concussion in the last 10 years like the

understanding of that whole process is um just

elevated in regards to its um publicity let's say

i always think of that movie concussion and what's

happening in the nfl and nfl with injuries and

brain injuries and things and how they actually

look at the scans i have a question so when you

actually had your brain trauma what type of skin

did they do an mri did they do a ct what did

they do to actually investigate the they did all

of that they did but it was after it was at

least two months after the accident so they they

didn't find anything significant that they could say

you know it's brain brain injury okay um

But what the doctor explained to me was that it

was everything was shaken up and all the neurons,

and everything was you know rattled in there,

um,

which caused the side effects,

yeah,

um.

But right up right at the time of the accident I

did not have scans done,

so it was a few months after...

Did any of your um doctors,

psychiatrists during that 16 year ever taught you

about nutrition?

Oh my goodness,

that's just just un literally unbelievable,

um,

yeah,

remarkable that that wasn't even a topic.

You know,

talking about an inflammatory traumatic experience

and like how you can,

how much of our diet and our exposure to so many

different things.

is going to um just add towards that or

potentially reduce it to allow the body to do what

it does best which is to heal and then you know

you start using something like you know using a

supplement to your diet like like empower plus how

giving your body the building blocks to repair and

heal a quite damaged area yeah that's just

unbelievable the lack of the ignorance around

nutrition and healing it in 2021 as well when the

the research and science is just like it's just um

unquestionable it's quite that's quite remarkable are

there any specific things that like really in

really annoyed you about your experience with with

That conventional model,

um,

what was most frustrating was just you know not

being heard,

not being you know given anything more than

pharmaceuticals and you know my doctor's appointments

consisted of how are you feeling,

okay let's add this drug or let's increase this

drug.

It was never anything more than that; it was just

to evaluate the the pharmaceuticals and and then I

was sent back to,

you know,

that life and so it was year after year of that.

And so there wasn't anyone to listen; there wasn't

anyone to understand what was really going on.

Um,

so I think that was the most frustrating,

annoying part of it all is just being Kind of

left to exist,

and there's no other answers.

There was no other opportunity,

so um,

that was that was pretty significant,

that um,

you know it was overlooked.

It was just shuffled under the rug.

I was just another person um that experienced

mental illness,

that you know was left to figure it out kind of

on your own and cope on your own.

Yeah,

it's kind of like: okay,

you've got your diagnosis now; that's it.

There's no point to investigate any further or to

look into any more details.

That's what you've got you've got it.

It's kind of like you've got your diagnosis now;

that's it.

There's no point to here are the medications we

can try.

Okay,

if you're not feeling great,

let's try something else.

If you're feeling okay,

great,

let's not touch it.

It's just so poor.

I'm really sorry that you had to experience that

for so many years,

but you managed to find True Hope,

which is a big reason that our company is called

True Hope.

Yes,

that's for sure.

Yeah.

So you're 17,

you have this brain trauma,

you're on medication for 16 years,

and then you go through this 10-year period to now

using Empower Plus and coming off all of those

medications.

So how was it before you - so before 2018,

three years ago,

the seven years beforehand,

what was your experience coming off those

medications and then being on Empower Plus?

You mentioned about how your mind and body changed

and you kind of got back to normal,

but how were the symptoms in general?

Did they disappear?

Did they dissipate?

Did you notice?

Did you notice when you weren't taking the product

that things would creep back into your life?

So over that time period,

I would sometimes notice that if I stopped taking

the Empower Plus,

I would fall back into depression.

So I noticed that significantly helped with

depression and mood stabilization.

So I would notice that coming in at times if I

didn't consistently take it.

But pieces of my life started coming back and I

became more - I was able to work more.

I was able to participate in more things.

And,

you know,

so things started to piece back together.

And,

yeah,

it just slowly,

like,

opened up things for me and brought myself back,

you know,

through those years.

Yeah,

so it's kind of to answer your question.

It was - it was hopeful because it was a slow

process,

but it was always changing.

It was always getting better and better.

Amazing.

I've heard from so many people when they talk

about the testimonials of using the products and

how it gives people the ability to start thinking,

feeling,

and doing different things that they've not been

able to do before,

like just lift that cloud,

lift that darkness so they can kind of see the

light a little bit to be able to - to do the

other things that make up,

you know,

a balanced mental health experience.

You know,

it's not just about taking supplements.

It's obviously about moving your body and drinking

water and sleeping well and doing all these other

things that make up,

you know,

this holistic individual that we are.

So,

yeah,

that's wonderful.

I just find it so remarkable that this product,

in a matter of days for some people,

can lift a cloud that has been deep and dark over

somebody for decades.

Yeah,

absolutely.

And it gives you the opportunity to,

you know,

you want to get outside,

you want to exercise,

you want to,

you know,

take care of yourself better.

When you're well,

those are the things that you can do for yourself.

When you're unwell,

like even thinking of going for a walk is - it

seems impossible.

So,

you know,

those - even the simple things for us to take

care of ourselves,

that all starts coming back and we start,

you know,

wanting to do the things that we haven't done or,

you know,

just giving us that extra motivation,

that extra,

you know,

wanting to get out and do things and take the

care of ourselves that we need to do.

Yeah,

and that's that pure,

natural,

true hope to be able to do those other things,

that's such a powerful,

powerful message within our company.

How - have you ever - have you recommended Empower

Plus to anyone?

And if so,

what for?

Yeah,

I recommend it to everybody.

People are probably sick of hearing about it from

me.

No,

I believe everybody needs to be on true hope.

It can change everybody's lives.

And it's just - it's just high-quality vitamins and

minerals,

and it can absolutely help everybody.

So,

I recommend it to whoever will listen to me.

And I try to tell my story to whoever I can.

So,

yeah,

absolutely.

Anybody.

Absolutely.

Amazing.

That's wonderful.

I'd love to touch on the conventional model again

because you've got such a unique experience with

it.

What do you think - I want to give the

conventional model some credit here because I feel

like I've bashed it quite a bit already today.

But what are they doing right when it comes to

mental health treatment,

in your opinion,

if anything?

I thought about this long and hard because I

thought,

you know,

what are they doing right?

The one thing that I can absolutely say they're

doing right is offering programs and services for

people with mental illness.

In Kelowna,

there's the Wellness Development Centre.

And it's - I was introduced to that years ago.

And it's basically a place to go for art programs,

for different activities,

to come together as a community.

And be with people going through the same -

similar things as you.

They provide meals for,

you know,

very affordable or if not free.

Field trips,

all these things.

So I think they're doing that right.

Bringing people together.

Some people,

they don't have family or they don't have people

to understand what they're going through.

And they don't have a community.

And that,

I think,

is huge that they have services.

And programs like that.

So I think they're doing - that's what they're

doing right.

And I think that,

you know,

them raising funds for mental health.

So that's also what they're doing right,

is raising the funds and having,

you know,

different fundraisers to bring people together as

well.

So if I could say anything they're doing right,

I believe that's what they're doing right.

Great.

Yeah.

I think there's so many incredible - the majority

of people within the mental health field who are

looking to advocate for it and to help people get

better.

I feel like the majority of these people are

well-intentioned,

solid,

great individuals.

But I feel like just the structure and the system

that they are in really makes it difficult to get

products like this into the hands of those people

who really,

really need it.

And,

you know,

in an ideal world,

this would just be a go-to for people who go to

their doctor's office and they've got depression or

anxiety or ADHD or concussions or brain trauma.

It would be like,

number one,

like,

let's go for this.

But obviously,

there's a big pharmaceutical money concern with

that.

But the most people who are having conversations

day-to-day with patients,

they got into medicine for the right reasons.

Yes.

But it's unfortunately that it's,

you know,

mental health being such a huge,

big topic,

something that we barely even talk about within our

society.

It's like kind of behind closed doors kind of a

thing.

That obviously has to change.

And there are some good movements in regards to

that as well.

But I feel that there's always going to be one

hand behind the back of those individuals who are

really trying to push to help those people who

really need it.

When certain things are,

you know,

the first,

the go-to every single time,

I'm through a doctor's office and I'm just like so

thankful that you've got,

you've had the experience of your,

your naturopath in Penticton and then this

psychiatrist that you spoke to.

There are people around the world that do offer

herbs and natural supplements first before,

before anything else,

no pharmaceutical based.

That is quite wonderful.

Why,

why do you think that people are so unaware of

the,

the power of like using micronutrient supplementation

for brain support and healing,

not just doctors,

not just doctors and scientists,

but everyday people?

I think that they only listen to what the doctors

are telling them.

They're trusting in that.

And if you're in a scary place,

you know,

mental illness,

you're in a vulnerable place and you need to

listen to somebody that,

you know,

you think knows the best thing to do and that's

educated.

So I think that they're basically only listening to

what they're told.

And they think that's the only way.

So also like holistic approaches have been

suppressed due to the pharmaceutical industry.

Right.

And people don't believe diet vitamins and minerals

can make a difference and change your life.

And they're just not educated.

It's just not,

you know,

the first conversations that they have,

or even any part of the conversations they have

with getting help with mental illness.

So I think that it's,

it's definitely their first line is,

I think it's the first line that they're trying to

make sure that they're doing what they think is

right.

And what the doctors are telling them.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Do you have any,

just to kind of finish up here,

Chelsea,

do you have any words to people right now who are

suffering from mental illness,

whether that is from a brain trauma or from,

from something else?

Do you have any,

you know,

you've got such experience with both sides of the

model here.

And one of them is quite clearly helped you.

And,

and then the other side is stolen 16,

years from you,

in my opinion.

So do you have any words to these individuals?

Anyone who might be listening that that's on the

fence,

they've been using pharmaceuticals for a long time.

They know deep down that every time they go to

their doctor's office,

that it's not going to be a hopeful experience.

You know,

usually give you,

have you got any words to say?

Yeah.

I don't give up and you're not alone.

You need to open your mind.

Like I feel something,

hope you don't have any language to speak and just

try to defend yourself in any way you can.

Just make sure that that fear isn't there really

isn't that second Cathedral going You know,

the desire to become,

I don't know if it was Christian or Christianism,

or a Christian 'Where you move towards salvation

and it fatigues you.

It looks Mama,

it doesn't really matter.

I spend 18 peach,

know that.

I spent 17 Melissa,

I'm not the author of it or anything like that.

And she,

you don't really learn that.

You know,

see any light at the end of the tunnel,

because there absolutely is healing.

There absolutely is hope.

There absolutely is these nutrients and minerals

that can help our brains to function the way that

they should.

And I think that people just need to know that

there is absolutely other alternatives and to look

at things from a broader perspective and do

everything you can for yourself.

Yeah,

absolutely.

We have to,

we have to be our own advocate.

We have to take care of ourselves and do what's

best for ourselves.

And,

and that's so important.

Beautiful.

Well said,

Chelsea.

That's great.

Well,

thank you so much for joining me today and sharing

your story.

Is there,

say if somebody has got some more specific

questions for you,

is there,

is there a way people can connect with you?

Absolutely.

Yes,

they can.

Email me.

That would probably be best.

So I can provide my email for that.

Great.

I'll,

I'll make sure everything.

I'll make sure that email's in the show notes.

People can,

can see it there.

Great.

That's great.

Wonderful.

Well,

thank you very much again for sharing your story.

Again,

I think it's so important that stories between

humans is - it's a pre-human experience.

It motivates,

it connects us by emotional frequency,

absolutely vital for any type of healing process.

So powerful.

So I really appreciate you coming on and

courageously opening up and share,

sharing your experience.

Thank you so much.

It's been a pleasure.

Awesome.

Great.

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