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it was so interesting so that's a that's for me a profound expression of what the

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simplest the simplest formulation can do for somebody that's Feeling Extreme

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physical pain because I feel like in that sympathetic on switch the fight ORF flight it allowed me to just come out of

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that maybe not move into the parasympathetic yoga state but it really helped me to neutralize and just to be

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focused and to be in my breath

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[Music] hello greetings good day wherever you

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are in this beautiful world thanks for joining true Hope cast the official podcast of trueu Hope Canada today we

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welcome acupuncturist nutritional microscopist and certified biof feedback

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therapist Mary Jane O'Brien Mary Jane graduated from the Canadian College of acupuncture and Oriental medicine in

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2000s then started her own practice called Health matters prior to forming

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Health matters Mary Jane worked with high-risk teens at project alive she worked closely with hospitals to assess

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suicide risk within teenagers and after working with a lot of stressed out doctors nurses and teens she learned the

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real impacts of stress on the body so she created the total wellness program to address those effects of stress

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anxiety and depression among many modalities Mar Jane incorporates lifestyle coaching counseling nutrition

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and acupuncture to restore and sustain Optimum Health today we're going to discuss the stresses that she has

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observed in the world and the stresses within her clients we're also going to talk about how she incorporates true

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hope products into her personal and professional life enjoy the show hi Mary Jane welcome to the show thank you so

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much for taking the time to be with me today how are you great Simon thank you for having me of course wonderful well

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maybe you can tell us a little bit about your journey into Natural Health and kind of maybe Where it All Began

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okay I would say that I've had three distinct careers one was in Alberta in ed

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and it was with uh I was part of a team that created a house called safe house for children that had been

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marginalized on the street having difficulty and that was my first career

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and I just noticed that they they improved greatly with love and support

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but also with nutrition once they started to eat well it was a what it was was called safe house and it's run by

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Catholic Social Services and so it's literally a residential program so we had all many opport unities to support

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them in in the different facets of life where we noticed a great difference was when they were eating well so I really

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started to tune into nutrition at that time and the impact on emotional and spiritual and mental

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well-being so that was my kind of first like 10e career there and then we started to use supplements in the

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program and then I went to uh mental health Children and Family Services

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mental health and I worked uh a program called project alive and we were part of the high-risk team in Victoria and I did

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suicide risk assessment for children and I Incorporated some of my understanding

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and knowledge from working at Safe House into uh the interactions that I had with

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children and their families and helping them get off sugars that were generating anxious responses and that kind of thing

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and then I went to uh traditional Chinese medicine school and did five

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years in a program there while I continued to work for project alive and then I started to have a deeper

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understanding around the the vibrations and the frequency and energies of foods and uh herbal products and tinctures and

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supplementation so that piqued my my interest in in a completely different

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level well that's really cool so you you were experiencing and working with individuals that went from a

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circumstance where they probably had little to no nutrition exactly and how that was affecting them physically and

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mentally yes and then you were able to actually put them in a situation where they were consuming better nutrition

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yeah plus the environment of actually being in a loving yes cozy com comforting environment which is

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obviously very important as well and then you how did you notice the differences in behaviors and you know

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was that quick something quick that you that you noticed yeah I think it happens it does happen quickly just introducing

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things like what we would do is we would put better things in so that the things that

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weren't supportive energetically to them would find their way out so we started to reduce sugars as an example we didn't

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have a lot of sugar available but we had sweet fruits and um you know things like

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yams and bananas and things that would give them that taste for sugar because they came especially at Safe House a lot

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of them had been working on the streets they were little girls that had um a

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very difficult time and so they were used to drinking Coca-Cola and chips and and whatever was kind of given to them

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so when they started to eat real food their anxiety levels came down because sugars had such an impact on the

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emotional experience and they all suffered from anxiety so when we changed their diet to and it it's it's a slow

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progress you know it's it's not just immediately this is what we're doing they we warmed them up to it and they

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they saw that they felt better they saw that they slept better they saw that they were less reactive they saw that

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they could they were not as triggered by things that prior would have otherwise triggered them a

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great deal and they would have had a hard time downregulating from that triggering experience interesting yeah I

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I sometimes see when I working with my nutrition clients that it's not necessarily what we put in it's more

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like what you take out and we'll totally get into the the energy of different foods and different energies of

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different cells in our body and how you know having a knowledge of that is really really really important yes but

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this program that you were working with was this like a government program or no it was actually it was a program so

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Catholic Social Services is a non- denom even though the name suggests otherwise it's a non-denominational

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uh service that covers everything from adoptions to uh Children at Risk to this

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program in particular safe house that we created to

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support young girls that had been turned out onto the street who were being used as um

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prostitutes okay and so you came out of that work and you were studying TCM at

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the at the time no I did safe house first and then I was there for I feel like 10 years then I went to

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Vancouver and was working for Family Services there same same demographic then I came here and went into high-risk

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Youth and then went into suicide risk assessment but what really got me into TCM was my mom had a problem I forgot to

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say this and it's the most important thing my mom had a problem with her heel she couldn't walk she was really struggling and we were doing pain meds

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and all kinds of things Cairo Physio and we walked past a school it was on Johnson Street and it was called the

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international traditional Chinese medicine school and uh there was a doctor there named Dr Wally muy and uh

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we just went in and he used one needle one needle and my mom never had pain

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again in in one of the heels in one of in the heel where did the needle go right in the heel right into it right in

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the heel one needle it was a miracle we walked home and I thought I'm going to

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do that so A couple weeks later I went in and I said when can I start wow that's amazing yeah and she

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never had the pain again I know right remarkable yes yeah she never had the pain again oh my goodness yeah so now in

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your practice what's uh you know what are the the primary things that you're focusing on with your with your patients

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I you'll probably notice this clinically from your experience is that it changes like I'll have a year where it's breast

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cancer and a year where it's um you know Ms shog like more autoimmune

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uh my the Clin I I seem to when I start to work with a group of people then they

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know people that are experiencing the same difficulty so clinically my practice changes okay mostly now I I do

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I would say I practice mostly with the impact of nutrition on and

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supplementation on the physical well-being the emotional and spiritual well-being so I deal with a lot of

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anxiety depression uh and then those other diseases that we've just are I don't like to use that word disease even

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though it's the the correct the disharmonies in the body um

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and I always like to put a team around people so I have people in Vancouver that specialize in cancer specifically

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holistic cancer treatment and there's one doctor here that does as well so I refer and I use I use my my clinical

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practice to do things like I use acupuncture needle I use needles acupuncture to reduce anxiety to

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harmonize the system to give the the team the best

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possible results through the their interventions amazing yeah so you're seeing you see those patterns emerging

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and like kind of similar patients come in and kind of waves yes that's exactly right so considering that experience and

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your know education in the Natural Health world yes how do you assess the health and those waves in the last 18

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months I I I saw that thank you for that question I I actually didn't change a

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lot of my assessment tools pulses palpation uh we do um I do live blood

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analysis uh the tongue I I really spend a lot of time going over the body I also

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have a a 14 page intake form that they fill out in advance 14 pages yeah and

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the reason it's so long it's really good but also it was just one that my girlfriend uh a colleague of mine

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actually we were students at the time we developed it and it covers all the systems so we have that one and another

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one from a company called neuro emotional technique in California and that uses questions that are similar to

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mine to identify meridians so in having in having

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that complex and complete assessment it really be it has the person become very

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in tune to what colors do I like what times of a day do I feel best what are my stools like how much water am I

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drinking how much am I voiding so it's a really good start because they do that at home and then they send it to me and

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I have a chance to review it before they come in and then I do the physical the physical

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assessment the questions about how they feel right now in the last 18 months are

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more significant because everybody has a high level of anxi most have a high

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level of anxiety or depression regarding anxiety came out more with uh going back

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into the workplace uh vaccine passports those kinds of things I have to get the vaccine in order to go to work like when

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it started to when that started to pick up speed that conversation in the world and in our community and our media that

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generated a lot of concern for people especially people that have cancer people that have autoimmune conditions

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yeah it sounds like there's there's just been depending on what your flavor of stress is yes there something for

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everybody at the moment it's coming in big way yes that's right that's beautifully put yes yeah and it's really

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really unfortunate because you know life is pretty stressful anyway I know and we don't have brilliant mechanisms for

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dealing with chronic long-term stress and there'll be people that are experiencing anxiety and depression now

11:55

that didn't have experience with it two years ago and they don't know don't know how what's going on don't know how to

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communicate it don't know whether they should be going to their doctor immediately for a medication or going to

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see someone you know maybe a little bit more holistic yes they don't know that there are definitely natural

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alternatives out there supplementations and strategies and there are so many different things that you can do yes

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just involving yourself in nature and changing your environment a little bit so true so true yeah so it's I feel like

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yeah like I've I consider myself to be a an an anxious or a depressed person but I've certainly in the last let's say two

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months especially around the vaccine passport thing like experienced a level of kind of like more like anger yeah

12:42

rather than rather than like specifically like anxiety or depression like I've just there's this bounce of

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like rage that come up for me like randomly as well like I'm working out and I I I'm so like angry and I just

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can't carry on with it yes I I agree with you and it's hard to know what to do with that cuz it's so so foreign to

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me yes yes and it could be scary and that could just pile on yes absolutely

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absolutely yeah so that's the type of thing you're seeing in the last yes year or so and especially amongst um people

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that are that share a community like a community pod let's say uh they they

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definitely because their conversations are about this there are people that are um even in my own family I have um 10

13:25

brothers and sisters and some of them are vaccinated and some of them them aren't and some of them aren't because

13:31

they've been it's been recommended to them like my brother has lung cancer and his oncologist said no vaccine for you

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because it's just too risky because it can generate a reaction yeah of course that and so so much already exactly so

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right in the F in my own family we have opposing views that are hard and it's

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not even a view but it's an an experience or an understanding that that

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there so it's it's been interesting to watch and and like I said in communities where I you'll probably find this as

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well when you meet when you have when you see somebody then they refer you to their friend right and to that so you

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end up working with PODS of people yeah and you can see that when there's they

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feel like there's a powerlessness to what they can do whether

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they're Pro vaccine or pro-choice I like pro-choice that might be a little bit of

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a strange thing but anyway I don't like the word antiv vaccinators I don't like that it's a really ridiculous ter it's so divisive yeah it's really really not

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intelligent term so I go with Pro Freedom pro-choice but anyway that in those groups BEC that's very hard

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because they really they do feel anger and how much of the like we've got so much separation

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within our culture anyway yes like whether it's actual culture whether it's you

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know race or gender or or whatever it is and that's one of the worst things about

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Western Civilization is how we just like love to divide everybody up into groups corre these ideologues and at the end of

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the day like we're just human beings here trying to it's like tribalism it's exactly what it is and I don't and

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there's a probably an explanation of that because we've done that forever yes but there's tribalism within you know

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2021 where we've arguably like never had it so good and kind of creating these

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things to fight for yes and it's really confusing it separates families it separates

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friends and and now we're like fighting for individual freedoms at the moment

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for these things yes and it's it's really confusing and it's really um

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difficult to be a part of yeah at the moment anyway yes it really is and especially you as a as a father it's it

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must be even more so you know because they're there you have a legacy I don't

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have children um but you but you're looking out it's like in the seven generations of the indigenous you know

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you're looking out for for your children and and their children and their children and that's interesting because

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I see that it's interesting you obviously we we will pick up patterns within the

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world right and there are individuals who might be like really on who really want the vaccine passport you know it's

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our way out back to normal whatever that means but they're in a particular stage

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in their life I think a lot of these people actually don't have like young kids that's right and it's very

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difficult for me because I don't put myself first second or even third right most of the time yes and the only I'm

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just worrying about I'm just trying to make sure my family is in a safe environment and you know at the end of the day like if my wife and I choose not

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to get this vaccine yes and then right now we can't go to certain restaurants yes I think that like down the line

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there'll be time where like that choice I make yes will affect my children in

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the fact that maybe they won't be allow to have medical care because of a decision I've made right how frightening

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yes is that to even think about in a country like Canada which is supposed to be you know like a landmark country of

17:16

the world of being being inclusive and and and um collaborative collaborative have a

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voice have a choice I don't see that at all anywhere in this country really at the moment I see divide and I see

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confrontation yes and at every turn at every turn and it's it's not necessar

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right now the the the the environment I would like to raise my kids in but like that and that's a

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really anxiety-provoking thing for me because I don't know what's going to

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happen in the future yes I can't imagine right yeah it's really difficult yes but that that's one example yes of like of

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what's happening to different people out there everyone's circumstances are different yes and there's something going on for everybody these little

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battles that we have yeah and if you can stay in the bee here now you know the the RAM do present right it's it's that

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that can be helpful like just using the breath you know because really I and again I don't have children I actually

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can't imagine what it is to be in in in your shoes I have a niece nephews and

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nieces and uh that are having they have young children and they they are they

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they feel the same way and and there's one um one part of the same family my

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sister Kel has five three of her children are vaccinated and their F they

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and two of them aren't and so it to see that then in that in that um now we're

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down into the third generation you know what again like what you were saying with your children

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so in the moment if we can look after ourselves really well in the moment and

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and look after our physical well-being our spiritual experience and emotional experience yeah hopefully that will get

19:04

us through this until there's more information until there's a deeper understanding or

19:10

more knowledge or where people can come to an agreement I think that's the key something needs to happen for a lot of

19:16

people to come together because all we're doing is just like chopping up whether it's with politics or with

19:22

mandates whatever it is yes we're separating belief systems and we're creating these really solid secure

19:30

Ironbound belief systems that regardless of like what information you might put in front of somebody yes or what type of

19:37

an opposing view you may have it's impenetrable yes that's exactly right and that's not not that's not good if we

19:44

can't talk about difficult things that's right really holds us back as as as individuals and Society crumbles yes and

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I love the definition of humility it's having the wisdom to know that what you

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don't understand is far more significant than what you do know I mean it's yeah

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and and and and what you just described if I'm not open I try to look at both I try to look at everything sure because

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that's the only way I can be the best person I can be for my clients because one person comes in and they have this

20:16

this particular position and another person comes in and they have it so I'm grateful that I have a practice or a a

20:23

career that I'm actually forced to know as much as I can about every single subject and and like you said people get

20:30

very polarized and it's unfortunate yeah it really really is yeah

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um so thanks for sharing about your experience over the last couple of years of clients that's interesting and yeah I

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think that the the fact that you know true I think that many reasons that true

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hope exists today is for times like now yes I totally agree yeah and I feel that

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the anxieties and depressions are coming up for people who don't necessarily not used to that type of a thing using a

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product like Empower Plus or an no or freeos can really just help ground

21:02

people and give them the ability to maybe do something do something about it

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yes rather than you know isolate and just like be on their own and maybe go down feel powerless feel powerless even

21:16

if it's know taking a product and then feeling a little bit better the next day so you're able to go for like a little walk you know that's just opening the

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door a little bit that's right so we are super blessed that we do have these things available to us agree right now

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anyway um on your website you mentioned that you've that you blend eastern and

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western healing Traditions yes can you tell us about that well I mentioned

21:40

earlier about having teams so as an example I do have a I do practice

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something called neuro emotional technique and it involves uh applied

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Kinesiology and so I in my assessment I do pulses tongue um smell

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uh I feel the body everywhere depending especially what they're coming in for like if that's a lot of GI stuff then I

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spend a lot of time on the abdomen where a lot of emotions are are contained okay or held is a better word and so I I like

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my live blood analysis because it's it's a qualitative but I also love serum

22:20

levels coming from their medical doctor I like uh Chiropractic and I like

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Physiotherapy and if if somebody has let's say an IL

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um they have a Sor KN that they're Runners I won't I won't do that

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treatment I refer them to a phys I have a group of people so I'll refer them to a physiotherapist that does IMS because

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I know IMS is extremely successful where some of my colleagues they they would rather just stick with

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the Chinese the Chinese path sure and I believe that people are better served

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when you have a team around them and that that team shares information especially more serious cases when there

23:02

when it's something like rather than just a sorny when it's like leukemia or breast cancer or that kind of thing yeah

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the best practitioners that I've worked with yes have a big referral team yes it's so so important because it's it's

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very very unrealistic to think that you're going to be able to like really help everybody yes and it's really

23:21

important to know what you're good at and what you're not yes and to be open to yeah connecting with these other

23:26

practitioners that you can learn from and you know you obviously it's a give and take situation yes and having you

23:32

know one patient and like three or four different practitioners who can work with that person and and work with each

23:38

other it's very very important yes yes yeah and that's why it's important too to coming to the speaking about the

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products it's important to have products that are that have a reputation that the other now now chiropractors in Canada

23:52

now are allowed to sell supplementation so the professional lines and it's really important that they look at the

23:57

products and think no there's nothing I need to add there's nothing that I need to take away from what's already been

24:03

recommended I think that that's really important and there's a lot of really great professional lines but there's not

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very many lines that cover as much as true hope does especially the emotional

24:15

experience and so I think that that's that's a very good thing that when they

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leave my my clinic that they're going and you know they have choices of where

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they can go to buy true hope uh but when they go to the physio or to the Cairo or

24:31

you know even to their medical doctor it's such a comp it can be such a

24:37

comprehensive um protocol yeah that nobody thinks okay I better unpack this and see what what's really here what do

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I have to add in it makes it much less complicated for me frankly because when when it's simple and it's effective the

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clients are going to be um they're going to be comp compliant it might not be a nice word but compliance is a big deal

24:56

interesting choice of words yeah no no you're totally right because you can't give people um a bunch of things to do

25:03

to go into their already busy habitual life yes that's where you see like so

25:08

many diets yes right fail yes because you know you you might be excited for a

25:13

couple of weeks to get going but you've got these like three pages of things you have to do and three pages of things you

25:18

don't have to do yes it's just way too much yes and they just fall away it's bound to fail at one point so yeah have

25:24

to like being able to work with that individual will figure out what's going on for them and kind of

25:32

prioritize those things and how they can work together and then how you can Implement kind of the simplest thing

25:38

with the biggest punch yeah that's I love that I call it little big things little big things yeah I really it just

25:45

makes a do you know who uh James Clear is atomic habits no you love him yeah

25:51

yeah it's a great book and he's got a great a great so jamesclear.com a great website and he's an Avid Reader and uh

26:00

in our practice for I guess for the last 10 years we've been calling them little big things like um meditation even for

26:08

five minutes uh walking for 10 we do 22 minutes we have very specific things that we ask people to do and then this

26:15

man James Clear wrote a book called Atomic habits and he articulates it beautifully exactly what you were saying

26:22

that these small things that have big impact in our in every area of our life

26:27

so love that yeah yeah yeah that's great so when we decided to shoot this record

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this podcast I didn't actually know until just before we started recording that you actually use our products and

26:38

you recommend them that's right which is which is amazing and wonderful and yeah I think more and more practitioners

26:44

should be looking at our products because we actually do have such so incredible science yeah it's amazing yes

26:51

so give can you give me an example of like where cuz you've got a for if anyone who's watching this you can see

26:57

the cost that Mary Jane on wrist and you were just mentioning about before we started recording about your use of

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anoro in regards to the arm so you want to tell us a little bit sure sure sure so on Thursday I was walking my dogs

27:11

really early in the morning like 5 o' and uh I'm an early riser and but I realized over the couple

27:19

of days it it gets dark now it's dark for longer in the morning anyway a cat snuck out I had two dogs on a leash I

27:26

had a brand new cup for at Coffee which I was really enjoying and a cat snuck

27:31

out I call them sneaky and my dogs pulled forward and I didn't drop my

27:37

coffee you committed to the coffee good for you yeah crazy I thought I could actually recover cuz anyway I ran into

27:44

the curb like this and uh drove my hand into or my bone into my hand I can't be sure exactly what happened but my arm

27:51

was quite deformed and my my I so I just you know dropped the dogs went into the house got

27:58

ice put my but it's very odd when your body becomes deformed as a result of an accident anyway I noticed my anx like

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like I would say anxiousness like oh my stress started to come up in response I was I would say that I felt like I was

28:12

going into shock but wasn't 100% sure and so I started to take the inol and

28:17

right away right away because what I what I've noticed before is when this has happened before like not not this

28:22

not an accident but in the face of like my mom's passing or those kinds of things

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um I would take more of it and what it does for me in observing myself but

28:34

observing others because like when my mom was dying I just gave it to all my family like you know I I I tend to be

28:40

the person that pulls things out of my purse and I observe in myself that it's

28:45

it's like I'm up here like this especially I'll just go back to the the injury and I think oh I've got to go to

28:51

emergency and I you know I now I have to wait two hours before I can wake up my sister to get me to emergency didn't

28:57

want to take an ambulance and then as soon as I started to take the inol I just focused more on uh putting the ice

29:04

making sure that there you know that that was looked after that the dogs were looked after that I packed a go bag so

29:10

that if I got stuck at the hospital for surgery and I don't think that that would have happened I don't think that I

29:16

would have taken the time to pack a go bag I don't think that I would have taken the time to make sure I had my Kindle so I could read have water you

29:24

know all those things and even packing uh uh ibuprofen because I don't take Ibuprofen

29:30

but I thought better take it was so interesting so that's a that's for me a

29:36

profound expression of what the simplest the simplest formulation can do

29:42

for somebody that's Feeling Extreme physical pain because I feel like in that sympathetic on switch the fight ORF

29:48

flight it allowed me to just come out of that maybe not move into the

29:54

parasympathetic yoga state but it really helped me to neutralize and just to be focused and to be in my breath yeah just

30:01

like a stressful experience just like that you know your body is going to biochemically change big time right so

30:08

your blood pressure is going to go up and every all the stress hormones are pumping around everywhere and you would

30:15

get anxious because you're you're not in the present anymore you're getting anxious about the future what you're

30:20

going to do so you're able to take an orol immediately going to B balance your blood sugar and ground you and actually

30:26

affect blood pressure as well I'll tell that in a merge at the triage the guy a man said uh have you had pain meds and I

30:34

said no because I was concerned that if I needed surgery which I think I do you wouldn't be able to give me surgery if I

30:40

had too much fluid right and so they did my blood pressure and it was 120 and he said I can't believe you have such low

30:47

blood pressure so it wasn't now until you mentioned it that I made that correlation so thank you that's really

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cool no again like you know natural medicine and we're talking about that

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that eastern and western Traditions you brought in there right you know we've got all these things that we can have

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like at home yes in like a natural emergency kit that can allow us to do

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that type of thing yes and yeah it's so true and I'll tell you just a funny thing I was walking down the street and

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one of my teachers who's now my colleague uh Dr Bonnie Robinson who's a phenomenal acupuncturist in Victoria um

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she's like oh my god what happened and I had just gotten out of the hospital so I was I like you know well I broke my arm

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so she Parks her car jum jumps out and she ran over and she started to treat my left

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ankle with her hands like doing acupressure to relieve some of the pressure in my right arm so it's a it's

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a practice called balance method but I never would have thought to do it even

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though it's in my mind I never would have thought to do it but the kindness of another and those are other things

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like kindness the kindness of another who sees that I'm evidently struggling uh stops and helps me on the

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side of the Rock it was like I don't know I just feel like those are the Miracles in the midst

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of this kind of challenge that's beautiful yeah that's really really nice yeah yeah um do you have experience with

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other products I know that you use iodine EMP bmd Ando and freeos yes is

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there one particular product that you recommend in your practice more than others I do the EMP first because it's

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got such a broad spectrum on it okay and then uh for a lot of my athletes we go to free free aminos see athletes

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especially like I have a lot of triathletes and that's another one of my demographics as athletes okay and they

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will do anything like they will do anything and they will be compliant because they already have such a high

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level of discipline and so I do the EMP I do the uh free aminos and I do the

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enol and then I say and these are and then I I like the uh nent iodine because

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of the structure that you guys have created that it converts the it's the precursor the T3 T4 such an easy thing

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for the body to do so um but for people that are just general like people that I

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see that have that are experiencing depression or anxiety I do the EMP Advantage uh the EMP first okay and then

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uh and then I do the aminos I find the aminos the energy that I get from aminos I do those on an empty stomach I

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think I said that when we did our little test thing but I I find the energy from those is quite palpable and you can

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almost see it uh just in the level of energy that

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happens like within it feels like 20 minutes yeah you know that's really cool

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yeah 20 minutes I'm like okay there's a pop there I you know and I do it before I I train and uh so but I I recommend

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them all every day for for different situations and sometimes like I said with the athletes they'll do anything to

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enhance their performance yeah I mean we yeah we we have a very deliberate line of products and we've you know after the

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empow plus and obviously the history of that product we've bought out different products because we've

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seen either a gap in the market or like not a gap in the market but like there consumers need this product and then

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there are other products that just aren't doing the job properly or they're inconsistent and that's why that's why

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we brought out these other products which is really important but to actually give practitioners and people

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and retailers this line that can be used synergistically together that's right is really really

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important and you know we've got so many supplement companies that kind of make hundreds and hundreds of different

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products I genuinely feel like you know obviously I work for True hopes I'm a little bit biased but their products are

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so deliberately produced for a very specific reason and you know true we could also have 100 products and have

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them all over the shelves right but you know we like to and we've got these six incredible products and we like to make

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sure that the quality of those is high every single time yes and that's that's where our focus is yes I I think too is

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that people get so confused when there's when there's too many products and again

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going back to compliance which I I'll have to come up with another word but uh be successful okay in their taking of

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products the the fewer the better and if you can feel if you can feel better very

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quickly like what happened with me with even just this with my injury that's that carry that's like

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it's weight in gold people are like oh I notice immediately or I notice within a few days I feel cognitively more focused

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and because it's such especially EMP because it's so Broad and I don't work for True hope sounds like it because

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it's so broad uh that I feel like they're well covered well covered with very few

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products and that's what I want for people I want for people to feel better people always say I would like what I'd

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like your energy yeah I know and people want that they want more energy so they

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can better manage stressors in their life absolutely and if you're able to

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easily take care of your foundational nutritional requirements because whether

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it's the brain or the body it's doing so much all the time then you add the added

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stresses of the external world then you add something like Co into the situation your body is going to be using up its

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resources at an incredible rate and if you have a tendency towards anxiety stress or depression you're probably

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going to choose and select foods that aren't probably that's the best for you are

36:45

nutritionally dense yes so you're going to be depleted even further and your body's going to struggle even more yes

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but being able to take on a consistent basis a broad spectrum micronutrient that's really taking care of everything that you Poss need really gives people

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the ability to maybe cook a better meal yeah they don't suffer from decision

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fatigue so readily decision fatigue I like that yeah yes they're like oh okay you know they also it gives

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an water exercise the good products create enough energy that they can then

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plan in advance so that when they do come home after work and they pick up their children from daycare that they

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were they got up early enough to make a good plan so when they do suffer from decision fatigue then they're they and

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they have the supplements on board that support their their ability to think clearly and they have the energy on

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board to support that thinking they're going to make good choices for them themselves and their family and I think

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that's really big really big yeah I think that if you can take a product that can take care of that foundational

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nutritional aspect it can keep you grounded keep you in the present and very and keep you from your mind

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drifting off into anxieties of the future or depressions from the past so true and then if you can stay in that

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present moment then you are able to you know work around the good and bad things that

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happen the day absolutely absolutely it's very very true um what advice would

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you give to people who are listening now who are dealing with high levels of stress because there are a lot of things

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that we can do but is there any things like like specific that people like can

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do like right away rather than having to go and buy a product do that what can somebody do

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well going back to the little big things what I find when I speak to people is

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they get up in the morning and they have coffee which I do too evidently uh but then they do emails and they they start

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their day that way and and what I what I share with people is that if you get up

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and you want to have your coffee first that's fine but don't do an email like maybe have your coffee to go and walk

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around the block and then come back and get in the shower and get ready for the

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day rather than I find that people stay in their pajamas and they're doing emails and and they don't I don't think

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we make as good a choice from our pajamas okay than we do when we're dressed and ready for the day I think it

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it's like a primer it primes us and if people have dogs I do tell them take

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your coffee and walk your dog walk your dog and they they did this interesting

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study in Los Angeles uh I want to say the police commissioner and what for First

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Responders and what they realized they did they were doing salivary cortisol testing and at the end of the shift they

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had their their people test their cortisol levels and whatever the level

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was make a note and then walk for 22 minutes and then test their cortisol levels and in that 22 minutes of just

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walking between the end of their shift and then starting their day like their evening is a better word that their

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cortisol levels came down quite significantly and some people in this environment as you and know Simon

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they're waking up with high cortisol levels then you put coffee on top of it and now there's a bit of a storm

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happening so in the last 18 months we were sharing with people get up you can

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still have your morning coffee because if I try to take that away from people that's G to a mistake yeah I tried to do

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that in my early career as well error yeah wrong so give them The energy they

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can make a decision if they want but I do like coffee anyway and so a lot of people then took started to adopt that they'd go for a walk for 22 minutes

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drink their coffee come home get in the shower and then measure their water so there's like for me I

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think walking can be your meditation you don't have to come home and meditate but

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do something where it's quiet you're not on your phone you're not listening to a podcast sorry or listening to an audible

40:55

book or looking at emails but you just meet the day with yourself and I think that that's a really wonderful way to

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start your day and then once you're ready and you want you know and hopefully with the right with the right

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nutrition and the right micronutrition that people will have the energy I

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always suggest to people especially if they have children get up earlier than your children so that you have time for

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yourself that is just for you and I know like a single parent cannot go and walk for 22 minutes I I definitely understand

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that but to adopt practices like getting your water ready um making sure that

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you've you've got your supplements laid out so that you know what you're taking making sure that you have your lunch made if you're going to work so that you

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don't have to eat out if you don't want to so I would say if somebody can't

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leave the house then I would say meditation even if you start with five minutes and for some people that the

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mind is already so busy I think as a parent my mind would have been really busy then I would use the com I like the

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app com the com app I think it's a really great heads space is great there's some great ones out there yes

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and and and so many of them are free so nut water

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breath movement nutrition I love that I think the the transition from sleep to

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waking up and then starting your day yes I think people should be really deliberate in how they spend that first

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10 30 60 minutes after waking up I've been guilty of this in the past for sure of like you know waking up grabbing

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my phone and you know just disappear disappearing from the present through my

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phone yes you know without even knowing that we're doing it it's so habitual we're so used to it and you know I I do

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my very best to keep my phone up in my office in like the little attic area and then you know I'm not going to you have

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to go get it I've got a Gap a g gap of resp responding time right but yeah and

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then finishing work and being able to have a transition period between that between you know having some family time

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and it totally makes sense that study you mentioned about the First Responders because those individuals have to teach

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themselves to shut off yes because if they took that high qutis level stress and I'm sure some of them do home it's

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going to really affect their home life affect their personal lives and affect their health in really really negative ways so they have to learn how to do

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that and 22 minutes is nothing no like I say to people just walk uh when you get

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my my uh goddaughter is a police officer she's a detective and her wife is a teacher and they high school so that

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that alone I don't know what's more stressful that's wild yeah I think I'd rather take take the position totally I

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agree as a former high school student okay anyway they uh they started they

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they it was actually my goddaughter who introduced me to the study because she because uh she studied with the man that

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developed the the the strategy the 2 minutes so they they just do it and it

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really changes so then like you said your cortisol levels come down and now you're present with your wife and your child and it's a it's a really good

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thing it certainly is that's really good advice thank you very much um how can people connect with

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you uh by email by phone it's

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healthmatters doca is Health dashca perfect well I'll make sure that

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information is available to your listeners but I really appreciate your time today coming to meet me I hope your arm gets

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better thank you you've got all the products from True hope that's you through it amen that yeah that in my

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thumb now now I know where to needle perfectly there you go or not needle because I can't as you know absolutely

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maybe thank you so much Simon for having me I really appreciate it and thank you for representing such a great company great great products awesome thank you

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well thank you very much for listening everybody this is true Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada we will see you next week

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