Guest Episode
September 11, 2024
Episode 33:
The Gut Brain Connection & Neurodiversity
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Dr. Nathan Jeffery is a naturopathic doctor practicing at Perceptive Health in Campbell River, BC.
After his own health journey, he went on to complete his Bachelor of Science in Integrated Sciences, focusing on Chemistry, Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. He then completed his Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine degree.
Dr Jeffery has a special interest in The Gut-Brain Connection, Autonomic Balance in Neurodiversity and Anxiety, Trigger Point Injections, Therapeutic Ketogenic Diet.
Today we will focus our discussion on the gut brain connection and neurodiversity, enjoy the show.
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well good morning Dr Jeffrey welcome to the show thank you so much for taking the time and being with us how are you
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doing today yeah I'm doing really good it's a nice sunny day over here so
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cooler around the coast so it's really nice excellent that's great well let's kick off with some back story you know
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how did you get into naturopathic medicine what's the what was the journey yeah well it's been a long
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journey and I guess anybody in this field probably has their Journey that's
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quite quite quite a quite a time but uh for me I guess when I was in younger I
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had lots of questions I had lots of questions for my primary care doctor and lots of things of what I can do to
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empower my health to make myself healthier and better um and so I just
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found over the over the years that I wasn't getting those questions answered um and really had that I guess I what I
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was really looking for was almost like a coaching kind of approach to healthcare and um over the years I kind
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kind of did my own thing and kind of worked with worked with Healthcare Providers and then uh eventually I was
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kind of brought to na naturopathic medicine and I kind of uh resonated with
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the philosophy and that it matched and was in alignment what I was looking for so that really motivated me um I also
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had some health challenges at the time too so I jumped into it with an
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naturopathic doctor and kind of worked on some some things and had a really good response in a in a fairly short
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period of time and uh and then I decided to continue on and do this for for my
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career all right is there a particular reason you you you went towards natural medicine rather than maybe
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conventional yeah well I was a biochemistry kind of focus in my undergrad degree and I was always
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thought I would go into research so I was really really kind of centered on going maybe into Pharmaceuticals or or
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working that industry and when it came down to it I I started having health problems so um and so I had things like
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concentration difficulties and and reading difficulties and those weren't
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things that really could be fixed with the conventional system I also had like overload kind of symptoms uh and so what
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I was kind of forced to look outside the box I guess uh after trying many many
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years of the conventional approach I was kind of searching and and I was really
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impressed with herbal medicine and all these things they were all very new to me and they had a
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pretty uh quick effect and and after that uh and as well as nutrition
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nutrition was a big part of my journey now and and doing all those changes had
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such a big Improvement in my concentration and my overload symptoms and and eventually was uh able to kind
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of uh get back on track with my with my health and and get finished off my
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undergraduate degree in in Biochemistry and uh then I decided I
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wanted to go that route I wanted to go the more of the nutritional route and work with people with these things that
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didn't fit in in the box and weren't being kind of slipping through the cracks good decision that's great I'm
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sure a lot of people have benefited from that decision that's awesome um just looking out through your website um on
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um perceptive Health you're in interests on your little bio include the gut brain connection autonomic balance in
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neurodiversity and anxiety triggerpoint injections and therapeutic ketogenic
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diet some interesting stuff there some really like big topics can you tell us a little bit more about the autonomic
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balance in neurodiversity and how that relates to mental health and maybe um
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explain a little bit like what autonomic means and maybe neurodiversity for people who are aren't super science
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yeah so the the topic of neurodiversity is quite a big topic came out I believe
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originally the the term kind of came from the autism Community actually and over the years that Community was very
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large and grown and quite supportive of looking at the brain as being uh
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different as possibly different uh just like we look at any trait in societ in
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our in biology we look on at what you know under a bell curve and and a lot of
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people fit under that bell curve but there's always going to be people on the outsides that might have different
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traits and really in experience the world a little bit differently so that's where neurodiversity came from and then
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a lot of practitioners are now kind of extending it to uh lots of different uh
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brain health conditions both mental health conditions and as well as as well
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as neurological conditions and what the nice thing about neurod University is that it really focuses our attention on
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some positive qualities that these differences in interpreting the world kind of bring and they also highlight
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the importance for support in certain areas as well so um so many people might
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experience uh lots of sensory sensitivities so we can support that but they also may have gifts and concentrate
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and focus and and getting things done and hyperfocusing we call that so so um
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so the the the approach there that I take is kind of like helping people unwind their nervous system and and and
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uh and how they can use their gifts and how they can support their things that
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they need to support now going into the autonomic nervous system um I've always
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found that fascinating and uh and I've done lots of research and I
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started off with anxiety and understanding anxiety from an autonomic perspective and I found that a lot of
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people and there's also a lot of research that were showing that something called heart rate variability
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in people with anxiety or other mental health conditions would often be different it might be a little bit
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lower and what that means is that there is the autonomic nervous system is in
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charge of our fight ORF flight nervous system and our rest and digest form of
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nerv nervous system there so so so just just just to back backtrack a little bit
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so when we're talking about autonomic you know that's one part of our nervous system which is like you know automatic
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as you say fight or flight you know it kind of it engages itself depending on you know what we
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foresee in our environment when we perceive a threat our autonomic nervous system kind of kicks into gear and it's
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kind of like always there ready to to go it's not something that we really have any control over
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I mean to some extent potentially we do but like you know it's really like it's put in there in a for a kind of survival
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mechanism can you kind of talk a little bit about like the foundational aspects of like
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the autonomic nervous system just to give people a little bit of intro you know you know what I mean yeah so on one
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side there's the sympathetic nervous system that's our fight or flight it's kind of the the side of and it controls
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all the fun functions in our body to help us respond to our environment when there's lots of stress so we've all
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experienced the fight or flight uh like we've um stood up in a public place to
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talk and we get that heart rate increasing we start to sweat we start to
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uh um lose maybe our concentration those are all a fight ORF flight and it's
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meant to really help you respond and uh to that to that stressful
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environment and get through it and then on the other side is our parasympathetics that's our I like to
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call the rest and digest system so that controls all of our calming properties
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restorative properties as well as our digestion it also slows the heart rate down so if you were to put like a a
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balance balancing beam when in with this model when the sympathetic nervous
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system is high and you're in a fight or flight this parasympathetic nervous system is going to be low so which makes
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sense and then we have to bring our parasympathetic nervous system up which is kind of like putting the brakes on
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the sympathetic fight ORF flight response and when we do that we calm that area down and the uh calming and
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and and rest and digest functions predominate that makes sense so if
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somebody just on this seesaw that you're saying so somebody is like in a really stressful month so the stress is really
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high you know workload family and all this and you got the rest and digest which is taking a bit of a back seat
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would that mean that um things like sleep and digestion there's not going to
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be as many resources allocated to those areas because everything's kind of like focusing on this stressful environment
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so therefore like you could be having some like digestive issues and some sleep issues yeah exactly
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so when that is out of balance we see a lot yeah we see people
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experiencing a lot of kind of anxiety low-grade anxiety and well can shift up to almost like a panic kind of feeling
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so we get that and as well on because that parasympathetic nervous system is
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down um we also get a lot of digestive upsets so we see people with either IBS
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like symptoms when when that and um constipation and and um and we also see
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people just having a hard time relaxing and a hard time sleeping as well so um
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it's a nice model to kind of check in with because it's our physiology and and
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um and nice thing about physiology is we can we can work on physiology and help improve
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it that's great yeah that makes that that makes a lot of sense so when it comes to you know working with someone
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with neurodiversity and that just kind of like I just break that word down for myself my my own personal understanding
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you know we're all obviously very very different in our makeup and especially our brain considering
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we'll we will grow up and in very very different environments so our brains you know wildly different even though you
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know kind of the same mechanisms and it's made up of the same stuff but you know my relationship to anxiety might be
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very different to somebody else is so when you're looking at the when you're looking at a client coming in and you
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you you're looking at that autonomic nervous system that that balance between the sympathetic and the parasympathetic
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how do you go about approaching kind of initially how diverse somebody
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is like what kind of where do they kind of like lean to in regards to their
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neurodiversity makeup is there a set of like questions or something there that you you would go
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through well when it comes to the neurodiversity it's more what the people are saying and their experiences and how
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they're connecting to the world so that comes a lot out in when people share their experience so with people in
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neurodiversity they might have uh for example the experience with attention
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difficulties and that might be manifesting more like an ADHD kind of picture and then others may have
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difficulties with socializing and uh communicating and uh like and and that
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might be more in the autism side of things
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um so that's where um we kind of bring the focus and
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there's lots of screening and screening questionnaires that you could do for that as well so uh for anxiety screening
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questionnaires for autism screening questionnaires and and things as sensory
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sensitivities there's lots of information there so we almost always kind of use use that to kind of see you
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know what Focus we need to be putting our effort towards then on the autonomic side of
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things we um can look at
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using biof feedback equipment and we can run things like the most common thing I run is a heart rate variability test so
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it's just a heart rate monitor and we look at the rate of their heart rate but we also look at the um how much it
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changes over time and that's one a really nice marker because it's something we could we can easily run in
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the office and it's something that we can um we can look at it and if it it tends
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to be on the Lower Side uh then we uh start to think that maybe there
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might be more sympathetic overload in that person and no matter what the
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health condition they're coming in for if they do have a lot of sympathetic overload then it might also mean that
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the parasympathetics are downregulated and we need that for for again our
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digestion calming ourselves down sleeping properly that kind of thing so
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we kind of combine the two things and we get it a snapshot thought of where we can improve and then we give people
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exercises to improve if they're if they're we find that there is a deficiency interesting when you say when
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you're using that heart rate um monitor when you say lower do you mean does that
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mean like a weaker signal or a weaker heartbeat or incoherence there what does that what does that kind of mean that
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that would lead you towards um a particular Focus
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there well there's a couple of different biomarkers that we can take calculations that we could take from the raw data and
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so it gives us a you know heart rate variability gives us a number and it might be say a 56 and that's kind of a
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common number and uh if all of a sudden we see like a 35 or anything like
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something like that um we may think that there's a lower heart rate variability
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so this is it's kind of a big concept to explain but when there is uh the heart
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rate variability is the ability for our brain to alter our heart rate so our
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heart will beat automatically all by itself and that's controlled by the heart when the brain
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kind of starts to modify the heart it creates this variability and the more variability the higher variability tells
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us there's more nervous system coming down saying start up slow down or
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involvement from the from the brain okay interesting and that's so a higher har variability is associated with high
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parasympathetics because that's what controls our heart rate and often slows it down so so if I all of a sudden see
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someone with a very low heart rate variability um then um we work on kind of support
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supporting them through through exercises like breathing exercises our most common thing to help to help
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strengthen it yeah I was going to ask you like there are a couple of like key things that people can do to yeah you
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know even when they start feeling the sensations of stress or anxiety you know I know that there are a couple of things
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that we can do quite quickly to help um engage or disengage that that stress fight or
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flight response and kind of bring in that rest and digest that you were talking about so you know breathing exercises is one of
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them yeah yeah it is and it's quite profound and what I really like too about when we do this heart rate
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variability stuff is often a live biof feedback so I can show people right then and there when you're doing
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the breathing work at your specific frequency um and it's often different
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for everybody and that's also very interesting and that it'll bring up the heart rate variability right there we
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can see it and and people feel the response so it really kind of makes us
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for me is really connected me with the importance of breath work and also finding the breath work pattern that
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works best for you for for the individual and that's there's lots of diversity in that some people uh require
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the most common breath uh frequency that we breathe is a say three seconds in and
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and a four seconds out most people will feel a relaxation response with that
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kind of warming in the hands is what you would look for uh less you know calmer
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sensation um whereas other people um they might have they're going to have a to
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so I just uh just cut out the feed there I can't hear you over time and it's
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something that and another thing too more I look at more I learned about heartway variability and autonomics more
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I realized that you have to think of it as like an exercise like going to the gym and continuing the practice and you
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need to continue practicing it for you know at least three to six weeks to to start to feel
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responses and a lot of research is showing up to up to 10 weeks is kind of needed so that reinforces the importance
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of just continuing on with it if you don't necessarily feel it as strongly right away all right is there a common
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some so say for some somebody who's coming in to see you who is engaged in a
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sympathetic fight flight nervous system response all like pretty much all the time and there some common physiological
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symptoms that you might see in that individual who is like constantly
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stressed and is like always in the sympathetic and and the parasympathetic is just like not really ever really
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involved yeah we're going to see lots of the heart rate might even be
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elevated so their their heart rate might slowly go up throughout the day as the sympathetics engage um even more
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throughout the day um that's G to be one big thing and it's often like you know
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it starts to go up and it might be sitting at say a heart rate of 90 throughout the day and moving around it
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might be over a hundred so we we look at that and say okay that that shows that that they're in sympathetic overload um
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but also just feelings of just difficulty breathing is another thing just like feeling of shortness of breath
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um and also digestive upset so a stomach ache um constipation is really common
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because these are all needed for your parasympathetics need need to be engaged
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to to digest yeah it certainly makes a lot of sense when you think about it as that seesaw where you've got that
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sympathetic side of things where you know it's obviously very important that we do have that nervous system engaged
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sometimes but we obviously want to be more focused on this parasympathetic side that's you know to do with rest
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digest repair and all those you know really good good things that we really need to be make sure happening in
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regards to you know feeling well and healthy and recovering um so that's yeah that's a really good um foundational
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insight into like the autonomic nervous system and neurodiversity uh thank you very much for that I think uh I'd love to talk
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more about the the gut brain connection another one of your interest and I think a lot of people are familiar with the
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gut brain connection I think over the last few years it's had a lot of um like traction kind of all over the place and
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I think a lot of people have probably just heard of it rather than really understanding what that connect ction
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actually is so could you give us maybe a little bit of a rundown to what the brain gut connection is and why it's
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important that people should you know be paying attention to it yeah so this is
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another area that's really fascinating and there's so many different ways uh that our brain and our gut are connected
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so the first is the gut brain connection so we've you know a lot of things are coming out of research showing that um
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our our gut and the health of our gut strongly correlates with the health of our brain
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um and we've also found that there is potentially connections um feeding back to the brain
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and actually might modify or modulate areas in our brain so one area one area
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that that could be is probiotics and bacteria in our microbiome in our gut our gut bacteria uh we think can that
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they produce uh neurotransmitters uh potentially neurotransmitters like Gaba or things
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that have a a relaxation effect and they feed back to the brain and might kind of calm areas of the brain um so and we
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also find that maybe P maybe what we call this biotic bacteria might also
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produce more excitatory things and cause our ourselves to feel a little more on edge so that's probably the most one of
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the most fascinating areas that I find uh because it really tells us the importance of working on our gut and
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sorting out the gut in order to alongside supporting our brain um there's also the connection
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between there's also what we call a nervous system connection through the baggus nerve and we think that maybe
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microbiome might be connecting through the vagus nerve and connecting with our brain that way and we also know that our
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brain connects through the vagus nerve with our gut as well um
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so there's also uh our our probiotics and microbiome they also influence
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nutritional status and they they produce things like E vitamins and folate which are also important for good uh brain
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health as well um so there's it's quite a v a vast area um the other area is the
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brain gut connection and how we uh kind of what we already talked about through
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the autonomic stuff but just the importance of how just balancing our brain also can help balance our gut yeah
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it's it's wild how much of our nervous system resides in our gut and then if
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you think about when you have a gut feeling about something you know that makes a lot of sense considering the
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outrageous amount of um nervous nervous tissue that we have inside of our gut that's absolutely connected I was going
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to ask you about like you know we obviously know that the body is so beautifully connected in ways that we'll probably never understand but there is
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that kind of pathway via the vagus nerve where the it seems that the brain and
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the gut communicate and yeah there's quite a bit a bit EV evidence now that shows that you know our microbiome you
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know microorganisms that reside in our gut actually you know use this as kind of like a highway and um that
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communication is is ongoing and I found in my in my nutrition practice that the the kind of more diverse and healthier
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somebody's microbiome is the um the better their you know kind of stress
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respon is and their nervous system and yeah it's just an interesting correlation and it's kind of a new yeah
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as you say it's a new area and more and more information is coming out day by day especially when um this
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the vast amounts of microorganisms that live in there and the different jobs that they do and how they interact with
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each other and then interact with our own cells it's h it's a quite remarkable
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field yeah quite a quite a neat expanding area and it's yeah a lot is coming out of research so it's an area
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that keep everybody should keep their eye on because we might be we're entering into this new area
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absolutely yeah absolutely what um what do you think people can do as kind of an initial step to begin
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um helping their gut and their brain connect in a healthier way like what what what are some things I can kind of
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do like right now that's going to support that powerful intimate
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connection yeah so there could be things like you know if we're deal not dealing with any major major you know bacterial
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overgrowths and stuff like that just supporting your microbiome through fermented foods and good soluble fiber
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uh can can really help Foster the diversity in in your gut so um yeah
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really emphasize the the the veggies and to give yourself soluble and insoluble
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fiber to help feed the bacteria U that will allow our bacteria and our colon to
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produce uh things like d acid to help fuel the colon cells and and also help
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create a better environment um so there's that side of things so really getting off of
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processed foods as much as possible and eating a Whole Food's diet really can switch uh as well as reducing sugar and
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you know going on some lower sugar kind of kind of diet simple sugars just
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getting away from them can really help because they also if you're feeding our microbiome our microbiome becomes we we
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select the microorganisms based on the food we're eating so if we're selecting
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eating a lot of sugary Foods we're selecting a lot of things that love sugar and those are often what we call
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the disbiosis bacteria yeah I think it's it's incredible how diverse our diets used to
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be and then how diverse our microorganisms used to be and then now like I think people probably consume
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maybe between I don't know 10 and 30 different foods a week you know not very diverse you know we we go to the same
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restaurants we shop in the we shop in the same places and kind of pick the same things and um sometimes our options
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are quite limited but yeah like in comparison to maybe let's say a couple hundred years ago where we would have an
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outrageous amount of food kind of around us growing and then now you know W with
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with the Technologies and everything of 2021 our populations are diversity and
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and our gut are somewhat maybe a little bit weaker yeah and the other thing I always I'm you too is like when we were eating
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more straight from our Gardens we were getting more of maybe the spore-based probiotics through just through a little
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bit of contamination which was good and so those also probably have an effect on
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human physiology as well yeah that's a really really really good point do you use any um like gut testing kits or have
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you got any experience with those yeah
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um the mo we do a lot of of bacterial overgrowth breath tests that's probably
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one of our biggest ones because it's it's it's a nice it's it's a something
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you can identify fairly quickly and easily um and then we do lots of comprehensive digestive analysis tests
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which uh look at the microbiome um diversity and we look at
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how diverse it is then we also look at par look for parasites and see if they're present um we look at the stool
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chemistry to see if there's blood in the stool but also inflammatory markers in the gut
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lining um and we also look at how well uh we're
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digesting our food look for any undigested food to determine if we might need to
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support enzymes as well yeah so we do quite a bit of that as well that's great
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it's probably a lot of encouraging people to take a look in the toilet b a little bit more right because it can it can tell you a hell of a lot yeah it's
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pretty it ends up being pretty fascinating um some we've also worked in the past a lot a little bit with
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um the the microbiome through genetic testing as well in this in the stool in
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the stool and that's also come back with some pretty fascinating results too amazing awesome well I'd love to switch
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up a little bit and talk about um your clinical experience using M Power Plus know our Flagship product here at trueu
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Hope Canada um yeah can you tell us a little bit about your your experience um using that product and and how and how
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it supported your clients yeah well over the years I've always done lots of research and kind of
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a you know and as an naturopathic doctor understood the importance of good nutrition and just overall supporting
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the body is being a really good first step and so that's always kind of been my My Philosophy for treating the brain
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is is first just like looking for nutritional deficiencies and clarifying nutritional deficiencies and I've always
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has been impressed with the amount of research out there that there is on nutritional deficiencies um as being
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important for our brain health so that kind of was nice that's that's kind of
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how I use the true whole product the EMP is I I dose people you know with a nice good high high dose of it to clarify
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common nutritional deficiencies um I also really like it because it does contain lots of things
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in it and and sometimes it can be hard to when someone is experienc in kind of
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anxiety or a mental health condition could be hard to take a bunch of different things so if I just say take
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from one bottle take three of three amp twice a day or even three times a day in
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some cases then it just seems to be easier and we can and people can do it
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at the beginning a lot easier um so I like the way it also has the antioxidants and and as as well as as
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the and the minerals and the nutrients and overall so if someone is for example
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having digestive upset I often will treat the digestive system and then we will put in the the micro the nutrients
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after um and I do treat a lot of digestive stuff um so so that's kind of
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how I how I approach it I I find that the people who have been on the EMP for long periods of time end up supporting
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their they tend to be more symptom free in the long term and they tend to be
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managing better um and that's just from my clinical experience uh from using EMP
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and why I continue to use it interesting yeah I think that um in my personal experience as well the fact that you
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know going to see an naturopathic doctor or going to see a health practitioner for a specific reason and then you know
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going then continuing to do work to help heal yourself and that can sometimes be
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like a you know a difficult thing to to undertake so if you're you know if you're if you're um adding a
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micronutrient that's going to support your brain health it's certainly going to help you be able to deal with the
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kind of added extra things you have to do in your life to you know to to become conscious and aware of and to to keep
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those things up I've certainly found that to be um to be very very helpful whilst people are you know making kind
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of big Health changes so that's really yeah that's that's a really important part and I and I I love what you're
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saying about the um the fact that know a lot of people who do have digestive
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issues who do have like an inflamed gut and once you kind of can help Rectify that and bring that inflammation down a
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little bit taking a micronutrient supplement that's really bioavailable can really you know help
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people who do have compromised digestive systems be able to absorb some more
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nutrients and the fact that yeah it's you know it's so many ingredients inside of this just one product that people are
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going to be getting you know kind of a full rounded um holistic product that's
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going to be able to sort them in support them in many different ways when did you
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when did you first hear about EMP or true hope Canada when how did it come across your um
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awareness um well I heard about it when I first started practicing and then and then I practiced with another doctor
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that was using it quite a bit um and then and then you know more so I started
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gravitating towards things that were just things that were easier for the patients to to do I was doing a lot of
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like individual things when I first started practicing like just individual nutrients and okay that would be the
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multivitamin it was multi multi pill bottles multi bottles
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yeah yeah and and it was just I was getting really just some bad low compliance and and and difficulties with
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people with the routine right and it seemed like it was their entire day was just dedicated to taking their stuff
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throughout the day when there was more than like five or six bottles to get that nutrient so then I started to think
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of ways I could simplify it and about three years ago I really just started I I started I'm just gonna focus on on
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getting the nutrient status up with the EMP and and it just made it easier for
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the clients and I still at the same point we'll still do specific nutrients to do to help with in
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properties and stuff throughout throughout the the process um but yeah
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it's really simplified my treatment and and made it more effective and people stick with their treatment longer as
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well yeah we find it to be really supportive for kind of like most people you know originally designed as a
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product to support people with bipolar disorder but we found out that you know this wild wild spectrum of of um mental
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disorders and even just kind of like mild stress we find it to be as you say
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supportive across that spectrum and the fact that you know you would add something more specific to to that kind
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of treatment regiment that would um that would connect with that particular case
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yeah it's just like a really great foundational nutritional level and you know we've kind of we kind of touched on the quality of the food and the the soil
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that we have today I honestly believe that you know everybody could benefit from a product from a micronutrient that
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that's you know that's well made and and has a lot of science science to back it up as a good quality product I think
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that we can all benefit from that foundational nutrition and if it's something that we can take in a capsule that we can take every day that's kind
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of easy and a lot simpler that's um it's going to support a lot of people do you
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um H how do you feel like a micronutrient product can support that gut brain connection that we're talking
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about
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yeah well that's a good in that's an interesting question um a lot of the times when we
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are we in certain phases of our digestive protocols we really want to support the micronutrient status because
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we're not we may have not been absorbing the minerals for example in our stomach acid is is low um for a long periods of
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time we may not have been absorbing things like zinc and magnesium and and
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all these things that we need and so when we get people their guts sorted out
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we then put them on some micronutrients and it really helps kind of replete
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their system again the way I think about it um I'm especially interested with minerals I think minerals are really
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important for the brain and ways we're just learning and and how I find I wonder if when
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someone has compromised digestive system if if their mineral status has been low for a long period of time so so yeah and
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that's so these key nutrients that they've been missing out get repleted pretty quickly after we and get sort out
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the underlying contributing factors to their gut health yeah that makes a lot of sense because we obviously have a lot
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of bacteria and other microorganisms that um produce and
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manufacture micronutrients certain micronutrients for us that we can't really do as humans on our own um so
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taking taking a product that is you know bioavailable and you know e very easily absorbed can help
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know deal with the the current digestive things that are going on then once you can deal with those and start increasing
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that microbiome diversity and you know start allowing those um bacteria that do
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all those wonderful jobs for us that's just going to be able to support you on your way to um you know kind of healing
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as you say like the the root bigger things absolutely well I'd love to kind
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of finish off I just I had a little look through the website um the morning and I noticed you've got a a free 3-day gut
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health like diet program video series could you tell us a little bit about that because that's I think that's a
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great resource that people can um get to to you know start learning a little bit
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more about their their gut health and what they can actually do you know like it's it's it's good to know but knowing
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how is even even more powerful yeah so what we have in our website is just uh it's kind of like an
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example of what we give at our office but we always give you know at least one to two week meal plans so it's three
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it's the three-day meal plan which and which is primarily like a therapeutic
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diet for for the gut so it's full of fermentable foods and lots of
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antioxidants and things that help coat the gut and Soo the gut and uh it has a
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shopping list of all of you just kind of take it to your health food store fill the shopping list and and all the
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recipes on how to do it and even has a calendar on how to like on what days so a lot of people will do will will get
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that they'll make up their food for the entire week or the three days and you
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can even triple it up and and have your food for the entire week if you want and uh and then carry it out and it's fun
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foods that are easy to make um and uh that might be a little bit different
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than what you would normally eat so that's on our website and then uh we
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usually send uh we always we send a a nice webinar on our gut health kind of
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the gut brain connection and bacterial overgrowths and just a presentation on
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with pictures and stuff on how that uh how our how just explaining that and how we treat it as well cool is there is
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there a a a type of person who who you think would be really really get the
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best out of that there a specific person who might be experiencing a certain certain symptom or you know or can any
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everybody benefit from it um yeah I think someone who's just
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has uh digest you know just wanting to support their Digestive Health overall would be a good candidate for that and
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uh and um yeah it's amazing just we always say like nutrition our gut health
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and My Philosophy is kind of like the foundation of good health so there's just it almost like anybody can really
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benefit from just supporting themselves with Foods so it's a pretty broad spectrum one for for anybody that wants
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to just get going on their guide help awesome beautiful Nathan that's great well how can people connect with
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you well just uh through our website perceptive
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yeah I do remote sessions uh nowadays with tele medicine being so uh popular
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we do it we we can meet through like an online chat environment and uh we can
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work on things that way as well perfect well I'll make sure that all that information is available for our
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listeners um thank you so much for taking the time today I really appreciate it it's I think yeah we could
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have spoken for hours about the gut brain connection and neurodiversity separately like such massive new
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fascinating topics so I really appreciate you um giving us kind of like the lowdown and introducing those topics
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to us with with um you know such great information so I really appreciate your time today yeah well was nice meeting
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you and thanks uh for having me of course thank you so much well um for more information about anything that
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