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greetings hello good day everybody wherever you are in the world thank you so much for joining true Hope cast this

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is the official true hope Canada podcast my name is Simon I am your host if you're unfamiliar with true hope true

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hope Canada is a mind and body based supplement company that is dedicated first and foremost to promoting brain

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and body Health through non-invasive nutritional means for more information about us you can visit Tru hopec

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canada.com Our Guest today is bio energy test practitioner Phil Kushner Phil is

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the Canadian distributor and practitioner for the Quest for system he

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has been a distributor and practitioner since September 2016 and both um Phil

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and his wife Dorene are quest for technicians Phil's been an entrepreneur

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for over 30 years owning various different businesses during that time and Phil and his beautiful wife dorine

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live in Bonnyville Alberta which um I hear is pretty chilly at the moment so

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Phil thank you so much for joining us today first question as always how are

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you I'm good uh we're up here in Chile uh Chile Bonville Alberta Canada so uh

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other than just freezing right now uh I'm very well thank you that's great

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yeah um when you when you're talking about minus 30s and minus 50s with windshield I have been to Calgary in

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February and it's the coldest that I've ever been on the planet

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so when you're talking 30s and 50s I can't my body actually can't even recognize what that might even be like

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but good for you I'm sure it's beautiful up there in the spring and the summer and there's all sorts of wintry things

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that you can do but um just to kick off why don't you tell us a little bit about your journey into the field very

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interesting field of Bio energy sure um like you said i' I've

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been a business owner for over 30 years I incorporate my first company in 1986

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so I'm dating myself a little bit but uh it took me till I was 55 to

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figure out what I wanted to do with my life and and and I found this um what

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happened was my wife had vertigo terrible vertigo and we could not find

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out what was going on with her we went to all the doctors and all the Specialists for three and a half years

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uh and it was just getting worse and worse and worse at the and she was getting it every second day and they

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were going to put her on uh uh short-term disability at work because

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her vertigo was so bad um she couldn't do anything she couldn't read a book she

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couldn't watch TV all she could do was lay perfectly still in her bed I would take her by the arm bring her to the

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bathroom let her throw up and bring her back to bed that was her life it was just horrible and anyway I I wasn't playing

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hockey uh because of this because I'm taking care of my wife and one of my buddies said hey I'll come

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you're not playing hockey anymore and I told him while I told him the story of Daren and the vertigo and he said

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well why you know nobody's may find anything I said no they think it at the

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start they thought it was benign positional vertigo and then they figured out that wasn't it and then at the end

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they said oh she probably has a touch of man's disease I'm going a touch of man's

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disease this woman can't function this is is not right so anyway the gentleman

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I was talking to at the hockey I finally did manage to go to play one hockey game and I told him why and he said oh go see

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this guy in silven Lake he's got a machine tell you exactly what's wrong with her so I'm thinking it's very

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dubious at best right but we're at we're at our Wit's End so we went well let's go so we go to silven Lake which is

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about a four and a half hour drive from where we live in Alberta uh we go in we

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sit down you hold on to two metal rods and light electricity goes through your body and tries to find out what's going

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on in your body so I went first I said well I'm going to try this too sounds very interesting see what it can pick up

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on me the first thing he said to me and it was on the report too because you do get a printed report or by email if uh

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um if you prefer right on there he said the first thing he said to me he said oh you got a

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you got a problem through C6 in your neck and my jaw dropped because about four years prior to that my C6 had

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collapsed squishing my medial nerve that runs down my right arm and I was laid up for six months I couldn't sleep in a bed

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I slip I slept on a love seat with my neck forward and my legs up because it

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would open up the vertebrae just enough to get the pain off there a little bit

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uh I couldn't drive a car uh I couldn't do anything basically for for for those times so I was like and it had healed by

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this time but this machine still picked it up and I was like whoa there's something to this machine if it can pick

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up something like that after four years later and it still picks it up even today because I got degenerative back

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disease is what is what happened there so anyway told me a few other things and then darene went and he told her a few

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things and then he said what's causing your vertigo is your number 15 tooth is

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infected and my wife being my wife I won't say what she

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said uh but she said no no it's not and uh he uh he laughed and he saidit is

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go get it checked out it's causing your vertigo anyway um we started coming back

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I talked to her and I said you believe in this stuff and she goes no I don't believe in this stuff I said well it

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found my C6 in my neck and you know it found this tooth that's you know it's

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probably causing your vertigo she goes I don't have an infection in that tooth I

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have no pain there whatsoever and I said don't you have a root canal in that

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tooth she goes yeah she said I said well you wouldn't feel any pain there's no

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root there to feel the pain so it might be infected and now you know that I've been doing this for a while that happens

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quite often because it's a foreign body in our body and we try and the body tries to get rid of it and it can become

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infected very easily so anyway phoned up our dentist great guy he said get her in

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her 8 tomorrow morning before anybody else gets in here we'll do an x-ray did an x-ray all

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infected pulled the tooth got rid of the infection the vertigo went away and

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never came back sorry just to ask a question there what did your wife say when when the

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dentist found the infection in this in in the tooth I you know I can't even remember I just remember looking at her

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face and and probably my face was the same thing like how how could it you know how this yeah yeah it was so

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surreal because we went for three and a half years to to doctors all over the place um I firmly believe that this

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machine saved her life because if we wouldn't have found that infection it probably would have went to the brain

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and killed her because I've talked to dentists about this and I've talked in front of people about this machine

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because I am the distributor for this machine in Canada and there was a dentist in the office and and he said

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you're you're right you know what if you if if it would have got bad enough it would have went to her brain and it would have killed her so um Everybody

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I've ever sold a machine to all has one of these stories that that uh gets

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relayed where you know you get basically I see two kinds of people well three um but

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two for sure uh people who believe in energy work uh is the first kind second

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kind are people like we were where we had no no place El to turn nobody could tell us what was going on um so I see a

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lot of those people and then the third ones are just the Curious ones wow so in

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regards to what was the primary reason for being aspired to try this machine you know it

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was your your friends kind of giving you a recommendation at hockey and you've

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tried you've gone to You' gone to many through many conventional means to try and figure out what's going on with your

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wife and yeah what was the real kind of inspiration with with you know going to go and drive out and and and try try

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this energy work for yourself there was no choice we had no

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choice yeah Simon there was nothing else we were at our Wit's End um she had no

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life she was stuck upstairs in our bedroom uh it was no life so um it was a

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basically a Lifeline for us that uh this buddy of mine told us about this guy

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that was the only reason we went yeah that's such a blessing that you actually had that chance conversation and what a

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different world we world we would be in if you know that was a conversation that was um happening more and even coming

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from the conventional medical system where like just trying this trying this

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type of therapy to you know investigate a little bit more how you know how many people wouldn't have to for a long long

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periods of time before they found their uh root concern and and yeah you're 100% correct

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because that's what we do we try and get down to that root cause of what's going on I'll give you an example of that I

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had a lady that I've known for years and years and years and I could see her getting worse and worse and worse I knew

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her before I I ever started this and she finally came in to see me

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uh and she had arthritis terrible arthritis she's been on medication for 20 years she comes in I did a metabolic

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digestive scan along with our other scans that we do and I saw a tapeworm I put her on some stuff to get

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rid of that tapeworm within two weeks her arthritis went away and never came back

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it was never arthritis she was on medication for 20 years that she didn't

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need to be on so what did that do to her body as well so you're 100% correct we

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go around misdiagnosed all over the place yeah it's crazy and for so many

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different modalities whether that's um seeking out like a healistic nutritionist or acupuncture or some

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other complimentary therapies many in many instances these individuals that go

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and seek these practices have been failed by the medical conventional medical system that unfortunately

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doesn't really have a um passage to the root cause of concern you can just look

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at how they actually try to remedy those with surgical interventions with

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pharmaceutical drugs Etc and there's obviously a huge place for those things in in many circumstances but when we're

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talking about something that manifests over a long period of time and might

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manifest in somebody as arthritis but unfortunately that's just the that's just the um the experience and the

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information that that we that we would feel but the route back to where that

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pain is originating from is not the typical is is not a typical

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pathway no and and you're 100% correct they deal with symptoms they don't get

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down to the the causation well they try to you know I'm not going to pooo doctors they have a tough job um so I

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would never uh pooo them and i' I'd never want

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to be a doctor to tell you the truth um they've got got a tough job uh where

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where they fall down is in getting down to the the the causational issues of what's going on in a lot of cases they

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know what they know we know what we know uh I think that we're complimentary to

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each other is is what we we can be where where I take Umbridge is for a company

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like yours uh and some of the supplements that I give my clients and then I give homeopathics as well why

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aren't those why can't we write those off against our taxes I'm

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saving conservatively hundreds of thousands of dollars in the medical

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field U because people don't have they're being proactive in a lot of

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cases um so why don't we reward those people by being able to to write that stuff off yeah that's a really

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interesting point because obviously in most countries around the world Healthcare is an incredibly expensive

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part of their budget and in many cases the the the top spending and there's so

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many things that we can do in regards to prevention and even treatment um for so many different diseases but that you

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know but unfortunately for now like the the conventional model kind of rules and

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they're looking for kind of like a a Magic Bullet method but when we're talking about using a broad spectrum

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micronutrient supplement or bioenergy work this is something that a lot more

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holistic and has the ability to allow that individual to

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recognize um that they've got a big responsibility for their own health and that they can actually really heal themselves

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significantly rather than relying on a medication or or a surgical treatment

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that's you know has side effects and can have just as bad issues as the conditions themselves if not worse over

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time absolutely absolutely um just before we kind of get into the Quest for

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system um I think that we struggle to understand sometimes the things that we

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just just talking about kind of energy and frequency itself we've had a few other people on on on the show talking

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about this type of thing and it's always I'm always interested to see how you explain this to people so I think yeah

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as I say people struggle to understand things that we can't experience with our

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senses our very our very limited senses so how do you go about explaining energy

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work and frequency to people because a lot of people don't really get it unless they're you know like a a physicist or

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something yeah it's a tough concept and there's times when I even don't

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understand it when you get into quantum physics and everything else I'm like uh hello you know it's it's pretty it's

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pretty tough how I explain it is uh here in the west we are um more into

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the physical things uh the chemical makeup of everything everything has a chemical makeup but what we don't

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understand is everything has an energetic pattern to it as well that's unique to that person that organ that

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skin that product whatever it may be we're all energy and it's

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all um individual energy patterns so uh

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let's say uh dandelion root has its own energetic pattern completely different

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than another product or thing or aspirin let's say there's an energetic pattern

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to that so we work on the energetic patterns not the chemical patterns so we

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capture that energetic pattern of whatever it may be uh there's 65,000 different things that are programmed

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into the the cast for machine um and so and we can add and we do probably every

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three or four months get an update with more things that are put into it um at

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different like when covid-19 uh was uh coming on scene well of course we had an

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update for that to get covid-19 into there as well um so we're always adding

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new stuff um but you have to have a paradigm shift in your thinking uh here

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in the west we're so uh focused on the physical we can't we don't understand

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that there's a energy pattern for everything as well yeah and that's a really a really good point because yeah

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we are so focused on the physical and I think for so know for 100 years we we kind of we're stuck on the Newtonian law

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of physics when it comes to matter and energy but obviously when we're talking about subatomic quantum physics we're

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talking about the fact that the majority of matter is energy by a significant amount and that's obviously the work a

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lot of what the work that that you are doing yeah this has been around for a

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long time it was uh Dr Reinhard V way back in the 1940s a a German physician

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he was tired of dealing with symptoms and he realized that the chineses studied meridians the energy Pathways um

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that for thousands of years so he he realized they were all energy so he

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thought well it's all energy can I find out what's going on in the body energetically so we had a young

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gentleman hold on to Ground Bar and he put light electricity through and he found if more electricity came out than

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went in you had more toxic issues and more inflammation issues on that Meridian if less energy came out than

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went in then you had more degenerative issues because this the the cells had to generated and it's not letting the

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electricity go through and that's how he came up with bioenergetic feedback or merian stress

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analysis wow I mean yeah obviously when it comes to meridians and energy these

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things are thousands of years old and this I always find it super fascinating and wonderful when like the

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scientific technological World engages with that ancient mysticism I suppose

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just just wonderful can you tell us a little bit more about the um kful system and you know how it

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works sure um it's it's very easy uh for

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the client um well there's basically two ways one you can

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hold on to two metal rods uh and light electricity go through your body and uh

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we try and find out what's going on in your body energetically get down to the causes of what's going on like you

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mentioned earlier it's not a Magic Bullet it takes us a while it's like peeling the layers of an onion to try

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and get down to those causational issues so sometimes it can usually it's three to 12 times before we can get down to

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those causational issues sometimes you get lucky uh like with my wife um because it was so pronounced right away

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we knew or the lady with the uh the tapeworm you know another person had

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what he thought was gout and it turned out that his thyroid and parathyroid wasn't working properly and uh we found that out on the

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on the very first try as well the the really neat one about that

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is uh the calcium wasn't getting reabsorbed so it was pooling under his left heel and it was mimicking gout

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because it had crystallized and it wouldn't uh um so it was like he was walking on

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glass so he couldn't walk at all so uh how they went back to their doctor and

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said could it be something else other than goat because I told him it wasn't goat and he got back to me and said yeah

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actually your thyroid and parathyroid is not working properly we'll schedule in for an operation and the guy goes I need

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an operation what for we have to uh scrape off all of that calcium because

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it's calcified and it's just like bone we have to scrape it off the bottom of your heel or You'll Never Walk properly again but he's already starting to feel

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better and he said well I'll be the first one that doesn't need this operation then and he walked into my office six weeks later so the human body

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is amazing if you would have told me when I first started this that the body can reabsorb the calcium that had

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calcified in the bottom of somebody's foot I would have never believed you but now I think the human body can do

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absolutely anything yeah that's really really cool and obviously yeah the the

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body given the right circumstances and application it can do magic it can do wonders it can uh Foster

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and harvest a host of chemicals to completely heal us and repair us

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beyond what we conventionally know to be to be healing so it's wonderful that

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more and more people are accessing um information and practices and therapies

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that can give them a an alternative kind even safer route to to healing and again you know people certainly need to be

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more assertive and take more control over their own health care to do something like that because you know you

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can go to a doctor's office and get a prescription and fill it out and then take that take that pill or something

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that's a super simple and easy thing to do but like you know really assessing what you're doing and how it's caused

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you to be in a state of disease it takes a lot of responsibility

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and selfa awareness and self- application to be able to rectify that to actually heal and cure

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things I think it goes beyond that too I think when um you don't take

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responsibility for your health and for what you do you're being a victim it's happening to you you don't realize that

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you're drawing this to you what with the stuff that you're doing um the only way

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you can stop being a victim is to take responsibility for anything that happens

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in your life because if you do that then you can deal with it it it I don't care what it is take

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responsibility for it say you've drawn it to yourself whether you think you've drawn it to yourself or not it doesn't really

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matter you need to take responsibility for it so that you can do something about it otherwise you're just a victim

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certainly and when you say to me taking responsibility I I hear becoming

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conscious and becoming aware of like what you're thinking how you're feeling and what you're doing how that's making

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you you know create this kind of state of being and how you can change all those things you can change your

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thoughts you can change your feelings you can change your behaviors to exhibit a new state of being somebody who

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doesn't have pain someone who doesn't have an an illness and this all comes with taking responsibility and becoming

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conscious and aware of the things that you're doing once people realize that they've got this power at all times to

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become superconscious and do these things then there's no there's no going back from there and I love that you've

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know you had this experience with this machine with your wife and you had this

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transformational um connection to your own pains in in the past in your own

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body and that's just clearly was a big um light bulb moment for you and now

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that you know you've done this work for so long and you've experienced so many other people who have most likely come

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into your office you've done this work and from what you've evaluated and seen

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using this energy work and and describe to these people they can connect with

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what you're saying with their own bodies and then boom boom that's like oh my goodness right that is why that's a great connection and now I can actually

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do some things to to fix that and it's a really powerful um moment where you know

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people are able to make that positive change for themselves to to feel

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better you know and it's it's it's really interesting too I you I'm going

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to be 60 this year and I I realize now that I've been doing

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this I don't have all the pains and the aches and the all the stuff that I used to have before I was almost 60 and I'm

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going holy cow it's not that I was getting older it's that I was unhealthy

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and once I took charge of my health um those pains went away and all

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of a sudden holy cow I don't have this I call him old man noises I don't get up off the couch G or sit down H you know

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uh I don't have those anymore and I'm like this is amazing this is absolutely

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amazing when you take care of your health we all think oh it's I'm getting older or this or that no in a lot of

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cases it's because we're not healthy absolutely and you know your body can only do what it can with what

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you give it whether that's food water exercise movement and focus and

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attention you know sometimes when we are talk about meditation for example that can be the only time really where we're

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actually bringing energy back towards us and allowing us to heal and repair and we're just kind of go go go all the time

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and we're giving away our energy to all these things outside of us and we're never like restoring that that that pool

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of resources um doing this type of work can really make people aware of like you know what they can do second by second

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every day whether they're going to restore themselves or deplete themselves and yeah the body can do miraculous

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things given the circumstances um why would somebody seek out a bioenergy

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practice like yourself do you see like um a pattern with the people that come and see

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you do I see a pattern you know I'm kind of all over the map on that one uh and

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I'm trying to find a niche because I I'm kind of realizing maybe that's the way I

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need to go uh that's kind of why I went with your products I see a huge need you

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know fully 70% of the people that I see have anxiety or depression to to one form or another 70% 70 y 7 zero yeah uh

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so you know I'm it's not a great cross-section of the population because it's people who come and you know are

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already sick or already looking for something right but of those

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70% um do have anxiety depression and I work with uh anxiety and depression and

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I I work quite well with it um the where I fall down is getting them off their

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medication and when I found your products I was I went whoa this is a u

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this is a way that I can use this product because it's it's an

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amazing um product line I love what you've done with it I love your story um

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I love the premise I think it's 100% correct that I mean that's what I I balance the body so the body can heal

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itself that's exactly what you guys are doing you guys are balancing the body the brain specifically which is one of

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the toughest ones to get balanced out um you know I I I I I go a little bit

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beyond that by you know if I find heavy metals in there try and get the heavy metals out and those kind of things uh

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which I'm sure you guys have ran across that and and and done that in in your own ways as well um but so gosh it's a

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tough question for me to answer Simon because I do animals as well right uh I do and I have clients from Northwest

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Territories I've never met because I do hair samples as well because it's just energy right so I can get the energy off

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of their hair or their nail samples we can do urine but I don't why when I can do nail samples or

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hair samples um so I've got lots of clients I've never met before

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so so do I need a niche I I don't no um

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I'm still struggling with that one a little bit um as as far as

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because we've helped so many different things I mean there's 65,000 different things programmed in this

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machine so yeah so many different so there's obviously many different people come to you for many different reasons

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yes and um as you say 70% of them are experiencing anxiety on some sort of

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level would you say that people who are coming to see you because of anxiety is that like the trigger that that makes

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them come and see you or is it maybe pains or aches or headaches or some other symptomology that is is leading to

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somebody to you because you are practicing a a complimentary therapy

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here um well I do get ones with with with pain of course um but a lot of the ones

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with anxiety come in because they can't sleep that's their biggest issue is they they just they can't sleep they can't

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shut off their mind it's going and going and going and going and going and young people like like kids who have this

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anxiety and depression and and when I found your product I realized yeah we're

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not getting our minerals from our Foods anymore we're not getting the electrolytes we're not getting the vitamins that we need in our diet

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because the the farmers are only replacing three three of the minerals out of the out of the land and we need I

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think there's like 12 different ones in there that we need yes they're trace minerals but they're very very important

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for the human mind and the human body so you know sometimes people come in uh

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and for a completely different reason and I ask them you can tell pretty much

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when somebody has anxiety depression just by talking to them and and and how they're reacting and I'll ask them you

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know do you have any anxiety or depression and and it'll come up on my

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machine as well so

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um they come in for a variety of reasons but I would say 70% are from are from

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uh that have that anxiety depression can I tell you another little story of my brother please so my older brother he's

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five years older than me uh when I started this uh it took him two years to come see me because what does a younger

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brother know right he doesn't know anything about this he's a he's a father

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he's a business owner he's a grandfather he's my brother who the heck you know he doesn't know anything about this stuff

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but I was uh the gentleman I went and saw in silven Lake he used to come to St

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Paul which is about a half an hour away from where we live and so one of the his clients came

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to see me because she said well I don't want to go all the way to sou Lake because that's a 4-Hour drive when I can

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come here in half an hour so she came to see me and my brothers had cronn since he was 17 years of age she's going to be

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65 this year so um this lady was talking

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about her brother was going to see Mike and he has no Crone symptoms whatsoever

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they're gone so I find so I told my brother I said listen you know I could I

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think I could help you with your cronn here and he goes okay I'll come to see you at Christmas time uh he lives in

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Edmonton which is about two and a half hours away from where we are but he always comes here for Christmas it's

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always at my sister's place my older sister oh she's going to hate me if she hears that uh so I finally got him to come so

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he came uh to my office um started doing all the scans um this was in on

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Christmas Eve um I know we go golfing in the summertime we meet in a town halfway and

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I knew that he heard his right leg golfing his right knee and I said 'is your knee still sore he saide so we have

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a way of putting in stuff for pain or inflammation into our drops uh the

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homeopathics so I put some stuff in for for pain inflammation and anxiety depression runs in our family so I put

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in anxiety and depression stuff in the drops as well so you put your hand on

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the machine and you actually get a treatment while you're sitting there but it doesn't look like you're doing anything right you're just but it's all

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energy work so finished up with him gave him his homeopathic drops and whatever

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uh herbs that he needed he gets up to leave and he goes Phil I said what says

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I have no pain in my knee I said yeah sometimes it can happen that fast said

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what do you mean you didn't do anything I said actually you got a treatment when you had your hand on that machine on

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that plate he looked at me like I had three heads so anyway he goes back he

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always stays in a hotel um the next morning uh he's made himself into a

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really good cook cuz he has Crohns right so every time you eat you get terrible cramps they say the cramps is are like

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labor pains and I and I believe that because I've seen him when it happens so

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he uh we made a tradition where he comes over and we have brunch and he makes eggs benedict for anybody who wants eggs

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benedict and we have Crepes and we have pancakes whoever wants to come in the family comes so he comes to the front

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door and I'm all excited just to see how his knee is again right so I said how's your knee he said my knee I have no pain

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there whatsoever and I got this weird feeling of euphoria what the hell is in these drops

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Phil it's a long story short I know it's a long story uh he has no symptoms of

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Crohn's whatsoever now that's like 40 plus years experiencing that right yes

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and it's amazing what the human body does because he forgot he had Crohns because

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another lady was coming to see me uh with Crohns and cius and so I phoned him up and I said How's your cronn and he

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says oh I don't have any symptoms I said what do you mean you don't have any symptoms I said you wouldn't think to

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tell me that Dan he says Phil I forgot I forgot I have it he had it for 40 some

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years he doesn't even realize that that he had it yeah that Crohns and that pain

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is an old personality that so yeah it's not not even going to be on his mind anymore no it's gone yeah it's it's

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unbelievable that's really cool and I was I I'm interested to wonder what like a initial session looks like you know I

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come into your office and is it simply a case of sitting down and connecting to this machine do we have like an intake

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form did we talk about stuff yeah so of course you have a disclaimer we all have disclaimers right so you sign the

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disclaimer you come in uh we do four tests at the start we do a comprehensive analysis we do a main body scan with the

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reproductive organs an informational scan and then I do a food sensitivity list uh from there depending on what the

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person tells me or what I see on the scans we do other scans and we have

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breakout scans we call them breakout scans from metabolic digestive U and digestion is huge right because 70% of

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your immune system is tied up with your digestion right um so we do metabolic digestives large and small intestine

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heart skin liver whatever uh right down to emotional scans sleep scans cancer

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scans uh it runs the gamut oh wow wow that sounds really you can get really specific with this then yes now it's not

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a diagnostic tool because we can't make any diagnostic claims and I'll tell you another reason why it can't be a diagnostic tool is um I had a client

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come in and mad cow disease came up and of course the person didn't have mad cow

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disease but the person had symptoms that matched mad cow dise dis so the machine

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picked BSE as the thing that's going on with the person so if you are not a good

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technician you'd say oh my God you got bad you know mad cow disease uh when they really did they had you know you

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know the the aches and the pains and and and a few other things that go along with mad cow disease but they don't have

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mad cow disease you know you know what I'm saying absolutely yeah how do you think

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um we can get this type of work how can it in integrate more into a conventional

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model because I think we spoke about it before I think when it comes to complimentary therapies and conventional

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ones I think that there's a really big divide and there are certainly things like acupuncture and Chiropractic work

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and herbs to an extent where there's certainly um an acceptance from the

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conventional model in some some other countries more more than ours perhaps North America how do you think that this

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typee of work can become more um let's call it

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mainstream tough question tough that's big that's a big one sorry I'm asking you to cure cure Canada right

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now well the problem is is is is we're we're so pharmaceutical centered right

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um and nobody wants to lose their piece of the pie so it's a

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um you know uh you're 100% correct I mean there's 25,000 practitioners in Europe who do some sort of bioenergetic

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testing uh they've got it completely flipped around in Europe compared to here in Europe the first place they go

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to is somebody like me the last place they go to is a doctor where here the first place they go to as a doctor the

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last person in a lot of cases is somebody like me uh until people's minds change

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uh and realize that uh there's more than just take a pill and you're going to get

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better um thinking out there um I can't see it changing that much to

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tell you the truth some and I wish I I wish I had an answer for you I don't know if you've come across somebody that

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has an answer I'd love to hear it because I haven't yeah it's it's complicated and I think you're right in

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regards to I think that if there's going to be any type of check it's going to have to come from the

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people I don't I think to expect a huge change in the way we do Healthcare from our government I Think We're Dreaming

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and I think it's never going to happen but you know if people are taking more responsibility for their own health and

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considering you know moving their body daily and choosing better Foods that's a

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that's a massive personal choice that you're taking towards your own health

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and then we have these amazing complimentary um therapies and medicines that as you say there's so many

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practitioners out there in every city nearly now these wonderful people doing this great work and yeah I've got I've

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got really good I've got a couple of really good friends of mine who are doctors in Frankfurt and they are prescribing herbs

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way before they're prescribing drugs in many primarily in like anti-depressants in depressive depress people there's a

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whole host of herbs that they tried beforehand um before they even touch Farm itical drugs because they're fully

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aware that these these drugs are addicting and side effects include like suicide and homicidal thoughts and you

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know some really really harsh things so to expect the conventional model to to

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flip-flop the very wellestablished um stance in a way it's going to have to

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come down to people becoming a lot more proactive a lot more educated and um I

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think they're going to have to do that themselves and hopefully we can create like a generation of individuals who are

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teaching their kids that you know doing certain things towards your own health

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is really contributing to to society in a very positive way and that you've got

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um at any point your thoughts feelings and behaviors can make you feel great or they can make you feel bad and over the

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long period of time can really lead to a diseased body no no question I mean when you said

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you can change your mind you can change your thinking there's no doubt that that can can happen too many people are are

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are stuck in the they they can't change their mind well from neuroplasticity we

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know that things change new Pathways can be made in the brain so um you know uh

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doing certain things like meditation when you talked about is huge is huge

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for people to just calm relax be there and you don't have to be good at it you don't have to be perfect at it just do

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it and it's working yeah absolutely how can how can people connect with you

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Phil so uh quest for health Bonville on Facebook um I'm not really good at Tech

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so it's not the greatest in the world uh they can also go just on Facebook and find me um Phil Kushner um or um give me

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a call 780 57322 or 1877 6732

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002 or Phil Kushner hotmail.com awesome um yeah thank you so

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much for joining us today Phil for you know information to connect with Phil or

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we we'll put some things in the show notes for some of the things we've discussed today especially when it comes to this really interesting technology

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we'll make sure that those in the show notes um thank you so much for listening everybody this is true Hope cast the

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