0:00

They broke into his hotel room. It was all fear and intimidation tactics.

0:07

And I say, "Welcome to Canada. What is going on? What you you develop a

0:15

product through a lot of pain?" Yes, absolutely.

0:20

There was a lot of pain involved in this and a lot of seeking God's help. and

0:26

then as a government you move to crush it. You're responsible for the death of

0:32

innocent Canadians because you embargo and take away that product and you do

0:38

all these things for what reason? For the embedment of

0:43

the bottom line of the pharmaceutical industry. We've tracked a number of the Health Canada agents who have since left

0:50

the employee and they got wonderful positions in the pharmaceutical industry.

1:06

Welcome back to True Hope Cast, the official podcast of True Hope Canada. This is part three, the final chapter in

1:12

our 30th anniversary special and the culmination of a story 30 years in the making. In this episode, David Stefen,

1:19

vice president of True Hope Canada, sits down with his father, founder Anthony Stefen, for a candid and far-reached

1:26

conversation about what it truly means to build, defend, and sustain a mission in the face of overwhelming resistance.

1:33

After decades of helping hundreds of thousands of people improve their mental health through targeted nutritional

1:39

support, True Hope found itself confronting powerful opposition from regulatory bodies, government agencies,

1:45

and entrenched pharmaceutical interests. What followed were years marked by legal

1:50

battles, public scrutiny, political pressure, and deeply personal costs. This conversation goes beyond product

1:57

development or corporate milestones. It addresses uncomfortable questions and authority, accountability and

2:03

corruption, and what happens when evidence, lived experience, and patient outcomes collide with institutional

2:10

power. In part three, Anthony and David reflect on these lessons learned through

2:15

conflict, the price of standing outside the system, and why their commitment to providing effective nutritional

2:21

solutions has never wavered, even when the stakes were at their highest. This is not just the end of a series. is a

2:28

statement of purpose, a look forward, and a reaffirmation of mission, and a reminder why True Hope exists. Welcome

2:35

to the True Hope 30th anniversary special, part three. Welcome back to

2:41

part three of this podcast where we are interviewing Anthony Stefen,

2:49

founder of True Hope Nutritional Support. and the previous two episodes,

2:55

which ended up being just over 90 minutes each, um, you provided a really comprehensive history, uh, going into

3:02

some places that actually I've never even heard myself and I've worked with you now for 23 years and I've known you

3:09

for my entire life being that you're my father. And so, we got some really rich

3:14

history. So, if you have not watched part one or part two of this podcast

3:20

series, I would encourage you to go back and watch those. They are

3:25

uh emotionally riveting. You get a real inside perspective of what it looked

3:30

like for uh from my father's perspective here. uh living um within a home that

3:37

was ravaged by mental illness uh losing your wife, my mother um that you were

3:43

married to for nearly 23 years or correct me if I'm wrong there. Yeah. And um and I was 10 years old at

3:51

the time. And then you've uh you know through deep prayer, desperate prayer,

3:59

finding an answer, being led to an answer, divinely inspired. And we got into really the battles that were

4:07

emerging as this discovery wasn't just helping thousands of people, but it was

4:14

now being scientifically validated. And as soon as the scientific validation started to come into play, which my

4:20

understanding is showing it to be over three times more effective than standard anti-depressants and that being the

4:25

empire plus the the initial discovery there. Yes, absolutely. that now uh opposition

4:31

reared its ugly head and it reared its ugly head in the form of the government regulatory bodies that are ultimately

4:39

supposed to be looking out or at least the guys is that they're supposed to be looking out for the health of Canadians

4:46

and yet here they were actually causing Canadians to commit suicide. They

4:52

actually cost Canadians their lives and that came out during we talked about the court battles the the victory that

4:58

happened there but during the court battles that was actually testified to under oath by Ron Legend the

5:06

expert evidence uh it was acceptable to the court and it was absolutely found as

5:12

a fact that this had occurred which is really really quite sad that

5:18

the government that you know we're told we're taught is supposed to be there for our best

5:23

interest that is supposed to be representing our needs, the will of the people. And yet here they were creating

5:31

an affront against the the mentally ill in Canada and actually costing them their lives uh in the interest of big

5:39

pharma and that came out yesterday in in great detail. That's that's in episode two. Um so go back and watch that if you

5:46

have not yet done so. And we also talked about in episode 2 the Discovery Health documentary that came out in September

5:52

of 2002. That's available online. Uh you can find that on truecanada.com.

5:57

Uh links to that. And then also we had discussed the fact that you used a word called uh the word epiphany.

6:04

Yes. In this and that that's actually the title of a recent documentary that's also available on tropecanada.com.

6:11

um that came out just this year in in um well not I guess not this year now it's 2026 but in uh 2025

6:18

that documentary came out and that's a 90-minute documentary that's incredibly well done emotionally riveting glues you

6:26

to your seat and that's also available now free of charge on true hopeanada.com

6:32

as well. So let's continue on. So, we get to the summer of 2006 where you hear

6:38

the words not guilty. And you also get a mandate from the judge saying that you

6:44

had no choice but to disobey Health Canada. Otherwise, you could have found yourself under other criminal charges

6:49

which were far more egregious uh for the fact that you would have cost Canadians their lives had you deprived them access

6:55

to the Empire Plus. Truth prevailed. Absolutely. That was the amazing thing

7:01

that came out of that court. And while there was a lot of resistance,

7:07

it came forth. It did. And it was made so available, the media

7:13

got online and they literally went after Health Canada for what they had done.

7:20

Yeah. Strong evidence against them. What a what a great time in history at that point in time that the media was

7:26

still aside from CBC. CBC was the outlier in all of this, but that's government-owned media. Yes.

7:32

But at this point in time, all of the other media outlets were actually telling the truth. Yeah. They Isn't that amazing?

7:37

They promoted it. Sea to open sea, if you want to put it that way, across Canada. Uh it became a big thing in the

7:46

United States. People who were seeking for freedom to exercise freedom in their

7:54

own healthc care mediation picked up on this and it became a fantastic a

8:01

fantastic win for freedom. Awesome. Now at this point in time, Health Canada up until the the the court

8:08

victory in 2006, Health Canada was preventing studies from happening in Canada at that point in time. Is that

8:14

correct? Well, they did everything they could to destroy the research from going forth. I remember James Lenny, MP for

8:22

Nanaimo, BC, standing up in Parliament and asking that question,

8:29

why is this so difficult? Why is it so difficult to try and

8:35

establish health among Canadians? Why is Health

8:40

Canada doing everything in its power to block this great fine from going forth?

8:47

Well, and and actually a verbatim statement that he made um that's available on CPAC and and I know that

8:53

there's videos circulating out there like bedum to bureaucracy which was a mini documentary about 5 minutes long

8:59

highlighting this and it was going to become a bigger documentary unfortunately I never did but that was back in 200

9:05

that was 2003 2004 that that was under underway that small documentary but he's

9:11

quoted for saying is there no room for science to progress the treatment of disease right like that That's that's a pretty

9:17

bold statement for him to make after he highlights exactly what Health Canada had just done to us in earlier 2003 when

9:24

they came in and you'd mentioned the Gundrawn raid which is highlighted in great detail within Epiphany the True

9:29

Hope Battle. Um once again that documentary that's available free of charge. Definitely recommend you you go

9:34

and watch that. Now what happens in relation to scientific

9:40

studies after the court proceedings come to a close and the victory is had. Yes,

9:46

they had to back off. There's no question. They had to start leaving alone the intimidation tactics that

9:53

Health Canada was responsible for. And I don't know if it was RCMPC, whoever, it

10:01

was some government agency that were responsible for intimidating. Like for

10:07

instance, our constitutional lawyer Sean Buckley, his office was breached five

10:14

times. Like breached as in they broke in and broke in. Yep. Get into his computer. Our director of

10:21

regulatory affairs, his house was broken into twice and he established that they

10:27

had actually done this. He set up a trap in that sense. Um, they used to drive into our parkway

10:36

with their black car with solid black tinted windows. All of these

10:42

intimidation factors, loosening the bolts on our lawyer's uh truck, the

10:48

front wheel bolts. Yeah. The front driver's side, which is the worst if you're in a in a two lane and that comes off, you're sucked into

10:54

that other lane of traffic. That's the worst. Well, welcome welcome to Canada. Yeah. And that happened to him twice

11:00

during court proceedings over over those years. They broke into his hotel room.

11:07

It was all fear and intimidation tactics. And I say, "Welcome to Canada.

11:14

What is going on? What you you develop a product

11:21

through a lot of pain?" Yes, absolutely. There was a lot of pain involved in this

11:26

and a lot of seeking God's help. And then as a government, you move to crush

11:34

it. You're responsible for the death of innocent Canadians because you embargo

11:39

and take away that product and you do all these things for what reason? For the embment of the

11:47

bottom line of the pharmaceutical industry. We've tracked a number of the Health Canada agents who have since left

11:54

the employee and they got wonderful positions in the pharmaceutical industry,

12:00

right? Like we see that in in the US where you have uh revolving door between the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry

12:06

where that they'll get great positions and they're just going around in circles in essence. So now you've got people

12:12

that were involved in pharma that are now approving pharmaceuticals or you have those that were uh approving the

12:17

pharmaceuticals that are now in top positions within the pharmaceutical uh industry making a lot of money. And so

12:24

the same thing we see here in Canada as well with Health Canada and and the pharmaceutical industry.

12:30

I remember in that day we set up a website called Healthcanada Exposed.com

12:37

which is still available by the way. You can go there. You can see some of the transcripts. You can see some of the egregious things that were said by the

12:43

Health Canada agents under oath showing that if I I I just want to digress for a minute here. Please, please, by by all means.

12:49

Now, the site is outdated, so a lot of the links don't work, but you can still see those those crucial parts of the transcript even on the front page of

12:56

healthcanada.com. And you can see where Sean Buckley asks, you know, um it would have been Miles

13:03

Brousu at that time, uh where he asked a question. if you became aware that your

13:08

actions were costing the lives of Canadians, would you continue to do

13:14

them?" And he thought for a moment, and this shocked the whole gallery, everybody sitting in the corner. I'm the judge.

13:19

Yeah. And he said, "Yes, as in yes, I would continue to do those actions even though it was costing Canadians their

13:26

lives." And we we're like, "We understand you're under oath, but who's that honest?" But it was like, "Well, of

13:33

course I would. Why why wouldn't I? That's my job." And that was a shocker showing the complete inhumity within

13:40

Health Canada. So, Health Canada exposed, but I I I interrupted you there. No, no, you're okay. I This is good

13:45

because people need to be able to have a venue to find the truth

13:51

and to find the truth about what their government is doing. And I mean, this is only one small facet in the great world

13:59

of Canada, if you want to put it like that, but it certainly demonstrated the I'm

14:04

going to say evil and malicious mindset of the employees within Health Canada.

14:11

Yeah. Yep. Which is is so unfortunate. So there's these intimidation factors.

14:18

Most people that are involved in business, there's always risk benefit assessments that are happening, right?

14:24

Do do the risks outweigh the benefits? Do the benefits outweigh the risk? If the benefits outweigh the risks naturally, that's just assessments that

14:30

we make every single day. Uh whether it's in within business or outside of business, just in life, we assess the

14:36

risks and the benefits. And if it's more beneficial than it and always outweighs the risk, then we're motivated to move forward.

14:42

Now in business though when you see a situation like this arising where there's intimidation happening there is

14:49

you know the government which has endless resources is coming after you most people would just close up their

14:56

doors say well that's not worth the business I'm going to go to a different business venture that has less risks and

15:02

more benefits. So most people would have packed up. What effect did those intimidation

15:08

tactics have on you? It drove us. It absolutely drove us. I remember that we put out a bulletin

15:17

asking for whistleblowers to come forth within Health Canada. And one gentleman

15:23

did, a very integral person. He paid the

15:28

price. I told him, "You have to be extremely careful. Don't contact me. I'll get hold of you."

15:38

and he went ahead and sent an email explaining what he had seen and they

15:44

destroyed his home. Absolutely tore it apart. They send a

15:50

clear signal, thou shalt not speak against us, even if we're acting in a

15:56

criminal fashion. This is what they do to people. So, so this is I remember I believe it

16:02

was grade 8 social studies. We're learning about Russia, communist Russia,

16:07

and how bad it was, right? We're we're learning about the whole bull boevik revolution and then how we ended up with

16:14

Stalin and and how these types of tactics are happening. People are disappearing at night. Now, we're not hearing about people disappearing at

16:20

night. Although, there is one individual that disappeared in this whole story. We'll get to that a little bit later on. Um because it's a subset of the true

16:26

hope story here and and and it's a continuation of the battle where we one person did disappear and then he would

16:33

reemerge and there was a whole story as to how he disappeared and it was completely egregious and it was communist Russia style type stuff that

16:41

took place. But people aren't disappearing in this story at this point in time. But we have the same type of

16:50

tactics taking place as what you would expect to see in communist Russia during that dark time of their history.

16:56

Sure. And yet we're learning about that in school and saying, "Wow, that was terrible." But yet it's happening here

17:02

in Canada and people have no clue that this is the Canada that we live in. And

17:07

this is going back 20 years now that this is happening to us. And yet people don't have a clue. And they still don't

17:14

have a clue thinking that we're still not where, you know, communist Russia was. We're still in a free country.

17:19

People are still, you know, they have that that, you know, it rolls off their tongue. Oh, we live in a free country.

17:24

Do we live in a free country? No, we don't. Not at all. In fact, it's a soft democracy. It has the appearance

17:30

of having a charter of human rights and doing the right thing on behalf of your

17:37

people. But sadly, it's not that way anymore at all.

17:42

We live in places like Bolivia where people disappear at night, never to be

17:48

heard from again. If if somebody had told me a story like the True Hope story

17:55

20 years before this happened, I would say no. No, no, no, no, no, no. That that

18:01

couldn't happen in Canada. It was a shocker. It was a wakeup. I think our

18:08

constitutional lawyer went through a terrible wakeup, you know, a terrible shock when he

18:15

realized, no, it's not by accident. No, they're not making errors. These are

18:21

deliberate tactics. It's the way the system was designed in the name of the unholy dollar. That's

18:26

when a boy when you boil down the whole thing. It's about money, money and and power. Money and control.

18:32

Yep. Yeah. So, let's fast forward now. That's a great way to segue into the next topic

18:38

here as we can or the next portion of the battle. So in 2006, the court proceedings are are are done and over

18:44

with other than the the whole lawsuit, which is another part of the story. But there by the time we get to 2008, we

18:52

start to see the egregious nature of the Canadian government and what they're looking to do against their people when

18:59

we have this emergence of a bill called Bill C-51. Oh yes. What happens there?

19:05

Well, they promoted the bill was the Harper government, but it was parachuted

19:10

in from above the privy council. Now, now you say, let's just, you said

19:16

the Harper government. Now, previous to this, during the initial parts of our battle, what government was on in

19:21

control? It was the Liberals. The Liberals. So, so now we have hope that things are going to change under the Conservative government at that

19:27

point in time. And then all of a sudden, Bill C-51 comes. Yes. extremely egregious. In fact, it

19:35

had a rendering in it that if you were growing herbs in your backyard and you

19:40

passed, let's say, some echynasia, which has been found, there's good research and science showing that for flu and

19:46

colds, echania or garlic or or it could be anything that's therapeutic in nature. Yeah. You pass that over to your neighbors

19:53

over your neighbor's fence to help them out free of charge. You're not making money. Yep. Doesn't have to be for consideration

19:59

under the act. And that's what it's actually saying verbatim. Yes. Doesn't have to be for consideration, meaning no dollar exchange.

20:04

There isn't a dollar exchange at all. The first offense was $250,000

20:11

fine. The next was going to set you 10 years in jail. It was going to allow

20:18

disallow um unlicensed fruits and vegetables to

20:23

pass across an interprovincial border if they're therapeutic in nature. Yeah. Yeah. No, it it was it was terrible. Uh

20:31

when you think of the effect that that would have had on the natural health industry.

20:37

Yeah. Now, what about search warrants and uh the authorities being able to come in and search? Didn't need them.

20:43

Didn't need them. If they suspected you, if they thought, well, maybe Tony

20:49

Stefins's thinking about doing this, that was enough to break your door down,

20:55

seize your bank accounts, lock down your family, lock down your company, and then

21:01

you would have to go to court probably over a five-year battle to try to prove yourself innocent. Yeah.

21:06

So, you're you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent. In essence, totally. They can come in into your home middle

21:12

of the night, no knock raid, guns pointed in your face. Yeah. And this this this type of stuff has

21:18

actually happened. Oh, it did. It actually did happen. Yeah. We know of people and and they don't want their names mentioned. Um

21:24

they like love to stay under the radar now. They're they're still suffering with the trauma of this, but you know, I

21:29

know uh individuals who have literally had guns pointed in their face in their own homes, in their own living room, uh

21:36

because they were deemed to be drug dealers in essence. And the and the police going in thought

21:42

that that was what they were doing. They thought they were actually doing a good job when they find out this is over

21:47

herbs. Really? Herbs? And we're not even talking marijuana. We're talking about herbs that you can just go pick up at

21:53

the health food store. Well, in one particular case, and and this is truthful, this came out in the court

21:59

case where the city of Calgary police was involved in a raid on behalf of

22:05

Health Canada, and the cop sat and I'm, by the way, I I want to make sure that

22:11

that I make it real clear to our listening public, we are not anti-med

22:17

in any way, shape, or form. We are not anti-policing.

22:22

We are not anti-legislation. We're anti-corruption and we're protruth. Yeah, exactly. We support a free and de

22:30

democratic society and there has to be legislation to carry that forth. So, we

22:36

got that and we support that. But uh came out in the court case that

22:42

the member of the CPS, Calgary Police uh

22:48

Force sat on the couch and put a pistol to the wife of the husband and both of

22:54

them were involved in this wonderful business. They've actually done some amazing things, amazing products.

23:00

And that pistol was there for a long time during that raid. Why would you do that? the trauma and

23:07

the trauma that that it induced. Like I said, they they don't they don't want to be named. It changed that poor woman.

23:12

Yep. I mean, you think about the And these are lovely people, by the way. Yeah, they are. PTSD that's generated

23:18

from that. In fact, she told me, she said, "I don't know if that would happen in Russia now

23:24

at all." Right. And she's not from Canada originally either. Right. So, she got to experience what we learn about in school

23:31

about communist nations. Canada

23:37

and that's the sad thing about this is people are moving to Canada and have moved to Canada

23:43

depraved and yet they're looking at and saying wait a minute what did I just move into is this an out of the frying

23:48

pan into the fire type situation it is sadly it doesn't have to be that way so bill C-51 arises and what role does

23:56

TRU play in that well we paid a we played a major role we bought up all of the There was a a

24:03

little slogan that we developed called Stop Bill C-51.

24:08

And we actually bought up all of the private number bills so that we would

24:14

have an opportunity because they started to blank all these things out. But we

24:19

ran the stop bill C-51 campaign. All the family kicked in. They were involved in

24:24

it. I won't say all the family, but most of them. And it became a huge

24:31

huge across the nation um protocol.

24:36

Mhm. Uh I remember we set up um what was called the three 308 tack team

24:43

because at that time there's 308 ridings in the country. It sounds like a weapon. It's not a weapon. There was Well, maybe it was a

24:50

weapon. Not not NATO 308 round, right? It's it's 30 308 ridings throughout the country.

24:55

Yeah. Yeah. So, the the 308 tag team, truth against

25:01

corruption, and we monitored every one of the MPs, and we set up a a website to

25:08

see how all of the MPs in Canada would vote

25:13

and they received a red X if they voted in favor of C-51. They received a green

25:20

check mark. Well, pretty soon we had MPs phoning us. What are you doing? You have

25:25

no right to do this. Yes, we do. Your vote will be marked and it will

25:31

determine whether you're a politician in the next election run because we're

25:36

going to put this out across Canada. Wow. There was so much of an uprising,

25:42

not a violent situation. We never encourage uh you know encourage violence or anything like that, but you'd have

25:49

two 300 people showing up at the constituency office. protests across through every major city across the

25:55

whole country, all using the stop C-51 uh graphics and everything that True

26:01

Hope developed. Exactly. Now, I here's my recollection of this. I remember it was probably I'm going to

26:07

guess about 10 p.m. at night. Hadn't gone to bed yet. And I get a phone call

26:12

and it's all hands on deck. get to the True Hope headquarters and we're all congregating there up until 4 in the

26:20

morning coming up with a game plan because as soon as it was discovered what was on the books and what they were

26:25

trying to pass now bill C-51 was an omnibus bill meaning a very large bill it's consumer protection act in essence

26:32

and the guys was it's here to protect and people will will probably recall this back in 2008 there's the whole lead

26:39

paint from China on the children's toys scare right and the media is is is playing on that and then all of a sudden

26:45

they're coming out with this sh or this uh consumer protection act. But within that consumer protection act, they're

26:52

going to protect you from having the ability to have therapeutic products, therapeutic plants growing in

27:00

your garden without a license. And all this stuff is sandwiched in there, but it's hidden in there. And my understanding is that Sean

27:05

Buckley had become aware of it and that there was some consideration between the the two of you. And as soon as you

27:12

became aware of it, you're phoning all of your boys and all of the other individuals in the company that that can

27:18

play a significant role. And we're meeting till 4 in the morning coming up with a game plan as to how are we going

27:25

to as an organization combat this and prevent this bill from taking place here

27:30

in Canada. Exactly. It really showed it was a separator.

27:36

It showed who's on board and who's not. The whole industry was racked with the

27:43

question, are you going to participate? Is your company going to stand up? Is

27:49

the CHFA, Canadian Health Food Association, the largest trade organization, supposed to be representing the will of the natural

27:56

health products industry in Canada? Are they going to be on board? Are they going to help? And what did they do?

28:01

They fought it. They fought us and and they actually tried to hijack it and they took our graphics that we designed

28:07

and they would publish it in the Alive magazine and rather than that we had a stop sign that said stop C-51 and it was

28:15

prolific. They took that and then removed stop and said amend C-51. They

28:20

wanted to keep the bill and they tried to convince the whole industry no we need this bill. So now they're doing the

28:26

bidding of the government and they're saying, "We need this bill and let's

28:31

just change a few key elements in it." And we were saying, "No, scrap the whole bloody thing. It's a piece of garbage."

28:37

Right. Well, it it raised a question. Why? Why are you doing this?

28:42

What influence are you under that would say, "Let's assist the government in

28:48

putting this through. We can get modified a little bit here. Maybe take some of the edges off." Well, we be

28:56

began to do at True Hope some investigations and one of our people who is the director of regulatory affairs

29:03

did much research and found that through the Canadian Department of Agriculture,

29:09

they were paying funds over to the CHFA. My understanding is threequarters of a

29:14

million dollars approximately is what CHFA received from the government even though they were supposed to be representing the natural health industry

29:21

um to the government to make sure that so in essence there's a conflict of

29:26

interest. They were bought and paid for. Yeah. Essentially. And uh it ended up with the president

29:32

being fired and their their director, the CHFA director

29:38

uh of regulatory affairs had to leave, who by the way was a Health Canada agent

29:45

prior to this. So we're seeing corruption in the natural health industry, infiltrators that are here to to misguide the

29:51

industry so that we lose our rights to natural health products. Exactly. Which makes sense. I mean, if

29:57

if I was if I was part of big pharma and I had billions of dollars at at my

30:02

fingertips and my goal was to secure the bottom line profits of the

30:10

pharmaceutical industry. I would be hiring people to infiltrate, right? Like it makes complete sense. I'd be hiring

30:16

people to infiltrate these other industries and to misguide them and to make it look like we're heading in the right direction. Nothing to see here.

30:21

Nothing to see here until Oh, you've gone over the the cliff's edge. Too late. Oh, sorry. Do you remember years

30:27

ago that great uh promoter uh he gave a morning review every

30:33

morning um and now you know the end of the story. Do you remember what his name was?

30:39

Famous man. And he put out years and years ago. If I was the devil,

30:45

oh, I would do this. Well, I look back at that. I remember listening to that just about a couple of

30:51

months ago. I'll think of his name. CS Lewis. No, it wasn't CF Lewis. He was a commentator of

30:58

Oh, he had a great following all across America. It was an American broadcast.

31:04

Uh, I'll remember it in a minute. But what was interesting is that's exactly

31:09

how it rolled out. Mhm. If I were the devil,

31:14

what would I do? And you think about all these wonderful God-given rights that

31:19

belong to us, not endowed by any government upon man,

31:25

that they've attempted to remove or distort or

31:30

destroy. The God-given inalienable rights, inalienable rights. Exactly.

31:35

And and that's what Health Canada in that day was all about. And they're still about it today. There's no

31:41

question. It hasn't changed. It's nothing. And I'm going to say this to the point of being criticized. It

31:46

doesn't matter. When you're 74 years old almost, it doesn't matter what you say anymore because you're just a a fat old

31:52

guy, right? But what's interesting

31:58

is that all of this stuff has been charted for years and years and years as

32:05

part of the great plan. And they've just carried that plan out. And it's about

32:10

making all day everyday customers out of us by force with medications. Sadly,

32:18

I look at the psychiatric psychiatric industry and Health Canada has been

32:24

really deemed as nothing more than a storefront operation for the pharmaceutical industry.

32:30

Absolutely. Yeah. The the pharmaceutical front. Yeah. So,

32:36

Bill C-51, we see how one, the government is

32:41

seeking to underhandedly remove people's rights to even grow therapeutic herbs in their garden

32:47

with huge fines attached with huge consequences

32:52

and we see how the natural health industry is divided over it and a lot of people at that time are saying true is

32:58

taking too radical of an approach and whereas about the other half the industry is saying, "No, we're on we're

33:04

on side with with True Hope." So, there was really two fronts that were running. CHFA was running. They they hijacked

33:10

what we were doing and they were trying to to guide it off off to the side. And then there was us.

33:17

What What do you have to say about the approach that ultimately you were leading? So, when when people say

33:22

Trueop's taking too radical of an approach, well, true is nothing more than the sum of the people that make it

33:27

up and ultimately the leader that's leading it. And at this point in time, you're leading the charge on this. So

33:33

when they're saying it's taking too radical of approach, they're saying actually Anthony Stefan, you're taking too radical of approach. What do you

33:38

have to say to that? Listen, if we as a people don't stand

33:44

for the wonderful things that God our father has given unto us and we allow

33:50

people to come and remove all of that, then we deserve what we get. If we're

33:57

not prepared to stand up and be counted, then we can't complain when all of our

34:03

rights have shriveled and have been removed and we have nothing left and we become sub subservient to a system

34:11

that's corrupt. Canada is a glorious place.

34:17

What will it look like in the next number of years as we complacently sit back saying somebody else will have to

34:26

do this? Somebody else will have to correct it. We've already seen major corruption in the last terms of our

34:33

prime minister and they got away with it. Yep. We saw positions like the minister of

34:42

justice who were removed illicitly. We see all of these things

34:48

happening, but people in their complacency in many in many situations

34:54

are prepared to allow it to happen. What kind of Canada will we leave for our children if we don't stand up? If we're

35:01

not prepared to be counted, will we have any liberties? Will we have

35:07

any freedoms? Will all the inaliable rights that father our father in heaven

35:13

the creator has given unto us be removed because we were too idle and too afraid

35:23

to speak out. There's a lot of power in people. What is there 35 million people now in

35:29

this country? I'm not sure. I haven't followed the statistics lately. That's 35 million voices.

35:35

Yeah. against a select few and it's been bad. We've allowed already

35:42

ourselves to be imposed upon more than it should ever be. I remember

35:48

working with the natives up north and how Health Canada did its level best to destroy the work. We were working with

35:56

FAS children on the reserves, the nations, the native nations, and they

36:03

barge into that. They barge into everything. They don't want you messing with their

36:09

cookies. Absolutely. And they don't want people that are well. What What do you have say, you

36:15

know, you you've worked with personally, like even though that you're overseeing True Hope as a whole, you yourself have

36:22

spent and still spend a considerable amount of time on the phone personally with people that are you're supporting,

36:30

you're helping them come off medications. Sure. Right. are still at the ground level there and you are

36:36

helping people. What would you say to this?

36:41

Somebody who has been empowered with proper levels of nutrition that are not

36:48

dependent on pharmaceutical medications. Are they more easily controlled or less

36:55

controllable than those who are unhealthy and are currently on

37:01

psychiatric medications? Who is it is easier to control? A healthy individual

37:06

or an individual that's on medications? Well, of course, a person on medications. They're not in their right

37:12

mind. They don't have their their own free will, their state of being in

37:18

place. Their head is under the hood. By the way, it's not a criticism. It's the

37:25

reality of what these nutritional deficiency illnesses do to people.

37:32

Right. Removing motivation, tenacity. Yes. Right. And so you can control the population

37:37

when they're ill, when they're all day, everyday customers. I mean, we see it

37:42

every day. I'm working with five people now. A lady down in Oregon trying to help her and her daughter. Recently

37:49

worked with a fellow in BC here. He wrote me. He text me. He said, "I'm out.

37:55

I'm out. I'm done. I've been locked in my basement suite. I'm unemployed.

38:02

I'm a trades person. I can't do a thing. I don't get out of here. My wife has

38:09

left me. My children, they're estranged from me now. I have nothing to live for.

38:16

I heard about this product that you have. Will it help me or not?" and I

38:23

called him. Two weeks later, he was running his welding

38:28

shop again. A month later, he's totally healed of

38:34

his depression. He's now working with his ex-wife.

38:39

He's now working with his children who are estranged, trying to get back into

38:45

their lives. These are terrible disorders and they have a terrible effect on people

38:53

and um yeah, I continue to work with people. Absolutely. It's the right thing

38:58

to do. Mhm. That's what this is all about. Right. And it it keeps you gives you a a

39:04

great understanding of and you don't lose touch of what it is that we're

39:09

actually doing within True Hope. Yeah. and the and the actual direct impact that we're having in individual lives

39:15

and what that actually looks like. And so when we take a look at it from a government perspective, there's a vested

39:22

interest if control is an element that's involved in all this. if it's a if it's a desired factor in all of this that

39:30

they don't want the people to be healthy and it seems like all of their actions are leading towards that that they're

39:36

looking for an unhealthy population because we've seen it firsthand in the hundreds of thousands of people that

39:41

we've worked with as an organization that when you have an unhealthy populace that's nutrient deficient, they're not

39:48

producing the hormones and neurotransmitters necessary to regulate everything in the body, including their mood and even their thought processes.

39:55

Those people are easily controllable. You can easily subdue them. So you can

40:01

win a war. You can conquer a nation without a shot being fired simply by depriving people of nutrition. And it's

40:07

by design that we've seen it in the agricultural industry. Oh, totally. Where literally big chemical, which is

40:12

nothing more or less than big pharma. They're one and the same. Bear, right? Bear and Monsanto, they are married

40:19

together, you know, and what they're doing is they're producing agricultural chemicals that are depriving people of nutrition and poisoning them. And then

40:26

they're producing the medications to then treat them for the disease that occurred due to what they had caused in

40:34

the food supply. It's a complete cycle. You go from here to here to here to here to here.

40:41

It's it's making them rich. I've read the studies on glyphoset Roundup and the

40:47

effect it has on chelating the minerals in the soil. Binds them up, prevents you from getting

40:53

them. Yeah. The plant can't take it up. So you have crops that are deficit in zinc,

40:59

copper, uh three other minerals. And this is by grand design. You want to

41:07

know it is because if you make the population ill, they're all day everyday customers,

41:14

right? And then you get that glyphosate residue in your food and now it's acting as an antibiotic in your gut. So it's

41:21

it's destroying your your microbiome. So you're not digesting properly and it's acting as a chilator and binding up to

41:26

further minerals that you should be absorbing and it's preventing you from absorbing them. So it it just absolutely

41:32

wres havoc in relation to generating nutrient deficiencies in the populace that then cause dysfunction. And in

41:39

1936, actually there was a Senate hearing um Senate hearing uh Senate document 264 from 1936. You can look it

41:45

up as an audience. Fantastic read. Uh it's an analysis of Dr. Northern's work.

41:50

And in 1936, they identified that there was a major rise in disease back then due to nutrient deficiencies. Now these

41:57

nutrient deficiencies weren't being caused by chemical agents at that point in time. It was caused by uh basically a

42:03

raping and pillaging of the soil and not replenishing that soil. So just from the

42:09

soil depletion we were seeing nutrient deficiencies occurring in the food which was causing disease. And there's an

42:15

incredible statement uh one one of the quotes that I use in the presentations that a marked or a marked deficiency in

42:22

any one of these crucial minerals will result in disease and we know that

42:28

totally hey you can take the whole spectrum of nutrition and if you're deficit in one take

42:36

vitamin C a major deficiency in vitamin C is scurvy y

42:42

and that's been well portrayed over the last three 400 years, right? Why do they call the British limeies,

42:49

right? Because they understood that was causing scurvy on the on the ship.

42:54

So they supplemented with limes. Yeah. Right. So and now we talk about scurvy,

43:00

but in the field of mental health, we identified yesterday in relation to the

43:05

keg project, the Kyoto encyclopedia of genes and genomes that they mapped out the serotonin pathway, the dopamine

43:11

pathway. Vitamin C is also one of the crucial ingredients in uh inciting the tryptophan hydroxilice enzyme or the

43:18

tyroine hydroxilase enzyme to facilitate ultimately the production of serotonin

43:24

and dopamine. So if you're deficient in vitamin C, you're also going to have neurotransmitter issues where you're not

43:29

producing enough serotonin, depression, and if you don't produce enough serotonin, you're also not producing enough melatonin,

43:35

IB, IBS as well, irritable bowel syndrome. Yeah. So we we can see how all of this

43:41

nutrition works synergistically and a marked deficiency in any single one of these nutrients will cut off certain

43:48

pathways. It shuts it right down and we end up with dysfunction that becomes

43:53

diagnosible disease. Exactly. So okay. So now we've got we we whatever

43:59

happened with Bill C-51? Well, uh the NDP filibustered,

44:06

nobody wanted to vote on So Jack Leighton and and his wife Olivia Leighton, I remember that they they had Olivia Chow. Yes.

44:12

And uh they filibustered the act. They purposely blocked it in

44:20

the House of Commons. The liberals were afraid to vote on it.

44:25

The conservatives were afraid to vote vote on it. And Steven Harper ended up

44:31

having to perogue Parliament. And in the peroging of parliament, the act died,

44:37

right? And I remember the next year there was great discussion in in CPAC and I

44:42

listened to it uh MP from Yukon and he said we don't want to do that again.

44:48

We've already seen and he actually mentioned true hope. It was kind of funny. I broke into a hysterical

44:54

laughter. But it wasn't about true hope. It was about people who stood for their

45:00

rights and they heard it and that Yukon, if you

45:05

want to put it that way, MP was very clear. Let's not create this situation

45:12

again because there's a big situation. The media was actually covering it back then. This is 2008. And I remember at

45:18

that time I'm doing all the media work for True Hope and I'm I'm cataloging all of this news footage that's coming in

45:23

from multiple cities across the country with protests that are happening in front of the constituency offices all

45:28

over. I remember Halifax, Vancouver, Victoria, Calgary, Edmonton,

45:36

all over the place, all over Canada, there were True Hope rallies that were

45:42

happening, right? And it became an upswell. I don't know why they called it true hope but that's

45:48

what they were actually calling it and there was a lot of recognition towards

45:54

the rights of people in that it was a big challenge there were a number of MPs that did not come back

46:02

after after that next election they got voted out y and I think we have to continue to

46:11

put in place the call to our electoral

46:18

delegates, the MPs, don't deprive the Canadian people of

46:25

their rights. We're watching this hate bill that's going forth and all of these other things that are

46:32

going to be extremely restrictive and they all are put in under the guise of

46:38

protecting people just like be bill C-51. It was going to protect Canadians.

46:44

No, it wasn't. No, it's the guys that they use. It's double speak. Exactly.

46:50

So, so yeah, we need to be wary that that wasn't a one-off event that often times what they're telling you it's

46:55

going to do, it's it's coming in, it's a Trojan horse. It comes in with something altogether different. It may look great.

47:02

Oh, fantastic. Look at this nice horse that they left us. Let's bring it into the city, right? And all of a sudden, as

47:09

soon as it's unpackaged, there's something else in there that that you didn't realize. So, yeah. hate speech.

47:14

Who Who doesn't want to stand against hate speech? Right. But but we we we all do. We don't want hate

47:19

speech. Exactly. It's about learning to love your neighbor and become a a good community of people who care about each other.

47:26

Right. But what we're going to see, and you say about loving your neighbor, that's a principle found in the Bible.

47:32

It's found in the Old Testament. Leviticus 19:18 is where it's first told

47:37

that we're supposed to love our neighbor. And then you you see Yeshua speaking about it where he says, "Love your neighbor as yourself." That's a

47:42

second great commandment. It's a large umbrella that covers off so many of the other instructions that are given to us.

47:48

As a Canadian community, we have a responsibility to see those things through. I'm not talking about religion.

47:56

I'm talking about good faith and the things that we've learned. We our laws are based on Judeo Christian

48:04

values, biblical values. Yeah. Yeah. And they need to come forth again. Now, here's what's interesting though.

48:10

This is the irony that that that is spelt out here is that the whole concept of hate speech can be eradicated by

48:18

loving your neighbor as yourself. And yet that hate speech act, that bill

48:23

going through will actually be an affront or an attack to the Bible and

48:29

any other scripts, ancient scripts that that that many people deem to be holy

48:36

that speak about loving your neighbor and becoming a better person. The hate speech act, the irony of it is that

48:43

it'll actually become an attack on the Bible saying that's hate speech. We need to either rewrite that or remove it when

48:51

and so that's the irony of it. That is the irony of it is that the teachings of the Bible will teach us not to engage in hate speech

48:57

and yet it the hate speech act is going to be an attack on those rights. I remember visiting with a number of MPs

49:05

on Parliament Hill and we were able to go into the cabinet room where the prime minister's cabinet

49:12

uh work and put through their ideology and their thinking, their plans. And I

49:18

remember in a beautiful carving above the entrance door, it said, "Worship the

49:24

king." And I thought about that and I asked about it. Oh, no. No, no, no, no. That's

49:31

not talking about the monarchy. That's talking about the King of Kings.

49:37

Our government originally was based on biblical righteous values, freedom, the exercise

49:46

of free speech, the exercise of doing good things

49:51

without penalty. Yeah. And you see that in the preamble of the Constitution Act where it says bas on the supremacy of God where

49:58

they're they're acknowledging that and and so and that's what the whole concept of the Constitution Act was supposed to

50:03

be was those God-given inalienable rights, right? Saying that and that the

50:08

government is there to protect those rights or to avoid stepping on those

50:13

rights. And yet we've seen a major shift, especially over the last couple decades, where that's not the case anymore.

50:19

Well, look at the poverty that we have in this land. Look at how many people, progressive, good people who lost their

50:27

positions, highpaying positions. I talked to a fellow that's living uh

50:33

didn't talk to him. I talked to his sister, had a a really good education and a good

50:40

paying job and lost that because of the failure of the economy and ultimately

50:46

couldn't keep their house and they're living in a tent in Colona. Sad. the whole family. What are we

50:53

doing? Yeah. Why are we seeing this? And the past five years have definitely accelerated that and and through

50:59

government mandates when we throw billions of dollars to

51:04

useless considerations around the world as the Canadian government does, but we

51:10

can't look after our own people. It's a failure. Yeah. It's a absolute failure. It's either a

51:16

failure or it's a complete success based on if the system was actually designed to do that and and that becomes a

51:22

debatable point. That is a very debatable point. But it's it's not right what's occurring.

51:28

We don't look after the good people of this land. Right. So let let's go. We have 2008

51:36

Bill C1 is quashed. Fantastic news. Freedom still prevails. Truth prevails.

51:42

Now during this time there's a lawsuit happening where you're

51:48

litigating against true or against uh Health Canada for what they did. Yes.

51:53

And causing death and all this type of stuff to the Canadian public. Now we get

51:59

to 2010 and things really come to a climax with that. Do you want to fill us in briefly as to to what that ended up

52:05

looking like and the exposure of the corruption within the judiciary at that time? It it was amazing. Uh there was a good

52:12

fellow who was the clerk of the federal court who ended up resigning over it

52:19

because he was so shocked at how the chief justice of Canada was interfering

52:25

in the case. There was political interference in the case and this good man had been there

52:31

for well over a decade, a professional and he ended up losing his job over it.

52:37

When I say losing his job, he left it. Mhm. He couldn't bear to hear it anymore and

52:43

to see the corruption between the judge and the crown, right?

52:48

Because they were uniting. And I remember on on transcript,

52:53

Justice Campbell was his name, leaning over the bench and saying to the crown,

53:00

"Isn't this the way we planned it?" Yeah. It was so open,

53:07

an open admission of the corruption. So they did everything they could to

53:14

disallow us from bringing evidence into that constitutional court. Mhm.

53:20

It was terrible. So during the first trial in 2006, it comes out that Health Canada knew that

53:26

they were going to create harm by doing what they're doing. They pulled the trigger. They seized the product at the border, preventing over

53:31

3,000 Canadians from having access to it. They caused suicides. They were warned that suicides would occur and yet

53:36

they still continued on with their actions. They testified on under oath that if they were aware that their

53:43

actions were causing uh death to Canadians, that they would just continue doing their actions because that's the

53:48

orders they were given. So, there's all of this this stuff that that's that mounts up showing that they were doing a

53:55

wrongful act against the Canadian public. They were instructed to do so. Now, a lawsuit's occurring that that you and

54:02

David Hardy are heading up. And did you guys win the lawsuit? No.

54:08

Was there grounds that you should have won the lawsuit? Well, it was it was so corrupt and I

54:13

remember our constitutional lawyers struggled through it because it exposed

54:19

the full corruption. Um, yeah, he he had a great I'm not

54:25

knocking anybody. He had a great belief in the paradigm that there will be justice done and he saw the erosion and

54:34

the corrosion of the whole thing. It was just corrupt. No, we didn't win. In

54:39

fact, they enforced upon us $180,000 fine, which was extremely rare. We had

54:46

to pay for the crowns work. Okay. So, so let me get this straight.

54:51

you're suing Health Canada because they caused harm to Canadians. And

54:56

that's right. And the evidence is clear. And not only did they not uphold the

55:03

lawsuit, they said you had no standing before the courts.

55:08

That's right. And then on top of that, to add insult to injury, they then said, "And you're

55:15

going to pay for Health Canada's legal fees." So, here's a $180,000 bill for

55:22

you bringing forth a lawsuit that should have been a win.

55:28

Well, yeah. And and I remember uh in after that, I mean,

55:35

well, within the court case itself, uh it was put forth that they had never

55:40

blocked the product. They had never injured anybody. Health Canada's actions because they never

55:47

refused the product to anybody. And I remember Dennis Shelley who is the

55:52

director, regional director from Burnaby BC Health Canada phoning me in a very

55:58

cheeky way while you guys lost. And I said, you know, Dennis, I got to ask you

56:04

a question and you're not going to answer it, but I'm going to explain to you what I have in my right hand right

56:10

here. It was on the top of my desk. Um, you say that you're a Christian

56:17

fellow. Well, yeah. I said, Dennis, whatever you do, you

56:24

make sure you repent before you leave this earth life because you're guilty. I

56:30

have just one of hundreds of documents and your signature is on the bottom of

56:35

this denying the product to the young lady in Alberta who suicided.

56:43

You've got blood on your hands. All of you have blood on your hands. You may have scapegoated and smoothed this thing

56:50

over and now you're the victorious winner here. You haven't won anything.

56:55

Cuz a day will come when you will have to answer for your actions to a righteous judge.

57:00

Yes. Where justice prevails. Exactly. Right. And the phone went absolutely silent and

57:06

then click. Yeah. Because he knew what he had done. And you know what? I I understand I

57:14

understand what happens in our lives. Sometimes we're afraid and we're ordered to do certain things.

57:21

But you don't want to be the gas burner operator in Awitz. [Music]

57:27

We have to learn to stand for truth and prevail in right. It's that simple.

57:34

Yeah. Be men of conviction, not of compromise. Because you make one compromise. And this is how many of these politicians get to where they are.

57:40

This is how many of the bureaucrats get to where they are. They say, "Okay, well, I'm not in a position of influence yet. So, you know what? I'll compromise

57:46

right now, but once I get into a position of influence, then my values will shine forth." But by the time they

57:52

ever get there, their values have already changed. They've already become what they were all along.

57:57

Exactly. Men of compromise, men and women of compromise who allowed themselves to ultimately tow the line and harm their

58:05

fellow man. And that's who they became. Yeah. because they were willing to compromise.

58:11

All right, so court battles are over. It's been 10 years of battling with Health Canada. It finally comes to a

58:17

close. Now, a situation arises and and it's now a little more, you know, because this is

58:23

part of the whole true battle. And even though it would come forth that it was clearly a true battle and it was being

58:30

pushed by the government, but it didn't look like that on the front at first and a situation arises and many people have

58:35

heard it from me. uh but I don't want to speak too much about it and there's a whole film about it called the people

58:41

versus David and Klette Stefen which is also available I encourage you after you watch epiphany or you can watch this

58:47

before epiphany uh epiphany the trope battle is actually the prequil to this

58:52

film the people versus David and Klette Stefen and that's available on tropecanada.com under the media tab but

58:59

um a situation arises with myself in the passing of my 18-month-old son

59:06

And many people have heard it, you know, adnauseium to, you know, my my take on

59:11

it because I I had to become prolific because the media was lying at this point in time. We couldn't get any truth out of the media. We're now into 2016.

59:19

Uh this, you know, the passing of my son took place, your grandson. Uh in 2012,

59:24

and but by 2016, we're in trial and the international media like it's all over

59:30

the place. It's in Australia, it's in Sweden, it's all over the world. Yeah. thought because this this is a an

59:36

agendadriven case that's going to influence legislation and policies and

59:42

and uh legal precedent across the world that's ultimately going to uh be an

59:48

attack on parental rights and medical choice not just in Canada but in all of these other nations. And so it becomes

59:55

historically the the biggest case in Canada over choice of care. And so now

1:00:01

you're seeing this from your perspective and what what what are you seeing about

1:00:06

it at first? And you know the charges come a year after the fact after a falsified autopsy report comes forward.

1:00:13

And that's a bold claim, but it's a claim that we're willing to make and we've been making for many years. It was established in in in law,

1:00:19

right? It was established in law. They covered the truth about what

1:00:25

occurred there. And what they saw that the system, whoever they are, saw a

1:00:32

in the armor where they could get in and they use your case as a battering

1:00:39

ram to get back at true. Okay. So, let's rephase out. So, they exploit the death

1:00:46

of an 18-year-old child who died in the hands of the medical profession that that that was illquipped ne the criminal

1:00:52

negligence was easily established there. Well, that was established in the court, right? They bore witness that they didn't have they had emptied the EMS

1:01:01

wagon, the ambulance of all of the intubation equipment that would be used

1:01:06

for a young child. And the paramedics had notified Alberta Health Services and Alberta Health Services didn't act until a week after

1:01:12

the passing of of my son, your grandson. But now they're exploiting the death and

1:01:17

they're changing the narrative of what took place so as to create a precedent. How how do you see that fitting in with

1:01:24

the whole True Hope battle? Well, Health Canada had their handprint all over the the file.

1:01:31

We know that. We We understand that they were they were providing advice. Okay. So, Health Canada does show up.

1:01:38

Yes. Sure they do. You see the first evidence of them showing up in 2013 on on the on the file and the police are

1:01:43

wondering why is Health Canada involved? That's right. Okay. They don't quit. They don't quit. Um

1:01:49

they lost. I praise God that they lost and and freedom prevailed. for a period

1:01:55

of time and they're not they're not happy losers

1:02:01

and so they're going to continue to do whatever they can

1:02:07

to try and destroy this thing. That's the way I look at it. We've seen so many cases, so many causations that

1:02:15

have come forward. You know, I mean, we we could we could do this for 20 hours

1:02:21

and talk about the whole litany of their egregious actions

1:02:27

throughout throughout the last 30 years. In fact, I'm going to qualify it to say

1:02:33

it was more like maybe 25 years, but they've been ever present. And so

1:02:40

they're constantly looking for an edge to get in. Right. So, Health Canada is getting

1:02:47

involved to a degree. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but were you surprised in 2016 when all of a

1:02:54

sudden the crown is seeking for permission to start bringing True Hope

1:03:00

into the court case, even though Shawn Buckley is saying that's not even relevant. That has nothing to do with

1:03:06

it. Well, of course they want to bring True Hope in. It's a smear. You see,

1:03:11

that's if if you look back beyond the issue, and that's a sad issue that you

1:03:17

and your sweetheart and your children went through. It's a box. But they wanted to expand that box to

1:03:23

bring in and to say, well, um, Mr. and Mrs. David and call that Stefan were

1:03:31

irresponsible. They were using these True Hope products that led to the death. Ignoring the fact that the EMS

1:03:39

operator indicated we couldn't help the paramedics, the little guy paramedics, he was

1:03:45

without air for 8 minutes because we didn't have the intubation equipment.

1:03:50

And is the media reporting on that? Yeah. No. Is is the is the media reporting on?

1:03:56

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. So, so, so it's interesting that the media and did the media report on the trope

1:04:02

supplements being used? Oh, yes. Now, here's the interesting thing about it. All of our children get trope supplements every day. And so, now

1:04:09

they're saying, "Oh, you were trying to cure bacterial menitis with Empire Plus, which that's interesting."

1:04:15

Well, we've never made a claim that it would cure uh it helps general body

1:04:20

health, cellular health. Since when is vitamin or vitamins, minerals, and amino

1:04:26

acids the villain here, right? And yet here they're trying to make it that and they're they're and

1:04:32

that nowhere in any of the evidence did it say that we were trying to cure bacterial menitis using Empire Plus. In

1:04:38

fact, the whole narrative of bacteritis would eventually come to a close when it

1:04:43

showed when uh when the former chief medical examiner of Alberta gets on the

1:04:48

stand and says there's no scientific evidence to support that this young child had bacterial menitis, which is

1:04:53

interesting because bacterial menitis has some very very telltale signs. And so to say that there's no scientific

1:04:59

evidence, that's interesting because when somebody dies from bacterial menitis,

1:05:05

the evidence is abundant. Yes. And yet there it wasn't there. And so that narrative gets quashed, but the

1:05:12

media refuses to report on it. And the media takes off with trying to attack True Hope over the death of our son when

1:05:19

in reality he got into an ambulance and and we would come to see that there was other stuff going on behind the scenes

1:05:24

even though they covered it up. So we don't know the full details, but we know that, you know, something happened in

1:05:30

relation to electrolyte imbalance that caused him to go into respiratory paralysis. Easily correctable. All they

1:05:35

would do is intubate him, do a blood gas test, uh, get a blood gas reading, determine that, oh, his potassium is

1:05:42

high, bring it down. He probably would have walked out the next day or the day thereafter, and everything would have

1:05:47

been fine. But now they're going into coverup mode, saying, we're guilty of criminal negligence resulting in death

1:05:53

because we didn't heed the paramedic's voices when they said, "We need that equipment back in the ambulances."

1:05:58

Yeah. They would then replenish that equipment one week after, but the ambulances had been short of that for a

1:06:04

year, for an entire year. And Ezekiel was the first one to get into the ambulance that needed that equipment at

1:06:10

that particular time. And the the paramedics were helpless. They just watched my son go for 8 and a half

1:06:17

minutes without any oxygen whatsoever. That's the crime. And yes, okay, I I

1:06:22

understand accidents are not occur. There are errors, but to take that heir

1:06:30

and absolutely ignore it in favor of coming at you, the very fact that they

1:06:37

want to bring True Hope into the trial tells you that the federal government is involved. And yes, the media is

1:06:44

portraying it differently. They're paid off. The government has bought them out.

1:06:49

They're no longer an independent voice at all. They've received mega funds from

1:06:56

the federal government in the Trudeau days. That's what they did. Now, right now, Health Canada is moving

1:07:02

to bring in more draconian legislation against the natural health industry and it's going to bankrupt a lot of

1:07:08

companies or push a lot of companies out of Canada and it's going to limit people's access to the products and at

1:07:14

minimum if the products are available, the products will be at a much higher price tag. So what they're doing is they're making it economically

1:07:20

restrictive for Canadians to have access to the products. And it will also be restrictive in relation to the fact that

1:07:25

many of the products that people were using are no longer even on the health food store shelves anymore.

1:07:30

And so now they were coming under fire by the uh standing committee on health

1:07:36

uh back in 2023. And do you recall seeing Dr. Chararma

1:07:42

try to justify why those regulations were necessary? give us her exact

1:07:48

statement. Okay. Well, I can't give her the exact statement, but she referenced two cases, but one in in greater detail as to why

1:07:56

we need this type of of legislation or these regulations in place to protect lives. And it was about a young boy

1:08:02

dying. That was your son that she's referencing, right? And so she came under fire for

1:08:07

that because one of the MPs said that child didn't die from taking natural

1:08:14

health products. had nothing to do with that. And and so she dug in her heels

1:08:20

trying to justify Health Canada's position on it and went so far as to say, "Well, we we have the CBC, you

1:08:26

know, that we you know, we have the same information that everyone else has." Now, what's interesting about this is

1:08:31

Health Canada, there's evidence that they were on the file back in 2013.

1:08:37

Sure, they were getting information from the police. So they had the inner workings of the file and now they're saying no, we're relying

1:08:43

on CBC's narrative, which was so far off the truth of what took place in the court and what was in the file. And yet

1:08:51

now they're they're saying, "Oh, well CBC." So now CBC is source of information even though they have these files behind the scene that highlight a

1:08:58

completely different story. Did Dr. Sharma act in a vigilant and a very

1:09:04

ethical manner and make the statement to the standing committee on health that that young child died because of a

1:09:12

hypoxic brain injury that was created a lack of oxygen because there was no

1:09:18

intubation equipment. Did she at all raise that? No. And that was that was the evidence in the two trials because this would

1:09:24

become a 10-year battle. Right. But this is the question that we have to ask. They ignore the truth in favor of

1:09:29

the agenda. Right. And they always do this. The very fact that they want to

1:09:34

bring true hope into the trial speaks volumes. It's not related. It's like

1:09:40

Sean Buckley said, it's not relevant to the case. Why do you want to do that? Right. Because it's to break down the

1:09:48

opportunity for people to get well. Yep. Exactly. So, they're pushing an

1:09:56

agenda clearly and that would become a 10-year battle. So now we have a 10-year

1:10:01

battle with Health Canada directly. Mhm. That comes to a close 2011-ish.

1:10:08

2012 then becomes another 10-year battle against the system. And Health Canada

1:10:14

isn't so evident as being at the forefront, but they're behind the scenes on it. And now they're using it as an

1:10:21

agenda to try to remove Canadians right to access natural health products

1:10:27

because they lost in the courts in essence even though they were behind the scenes. What the court case was about

1:10:33

was choice of care that they were going to basically criminalize parents for one

1:10:39

avoiding vaccines. Yes, there you go. That was that was the first agenda and we were able to get that shut down

1:10:44

through expert witnesses. They were going to basically hold parents liable that if any harm befell their child,

1:10:49

didn't have to be death, it was just harm. And they they deemed it to be vaccinereventable, that parent was held

1:10:55

criminally liable. Yeah. So, fortunately, we were able to shut that down. But then they made it about alopathic medicine which for those that

1:11:01

that don't understand the term alopathic medicine is just pharmaceutical medicine, petroleum based medicine,

1:11:07

Rockefeller medicine, call what you will but that type of medicine which is western medicine versus naturopathic

1:11:16

um or homeopathic or we can even go into arurvedic or Chinese medicine but it was

1:11:21

basically all forms of natural medicine versus alopathic medicine and that they

1:11:28

were trying to establish alopathic medicine or pharmaceutical med medication as the criminal code approved

1:11:35

standard of care. And that that's verbatim the the verbiage that they were using by the end of the 2016 trial when

1:11:41

we were wrongfully convicted before it go into Supreme Court and then going to trial number two and being found not

1:11:47

guilty and you know and 10-year battle a 10-year battle occurs and now after the

1:11:52

10-year battle finally comes to a close in August of 2022 in 2023 one year later Health Canada is

1:11:59

resurrecting the false narrative saying your rights need to be restricted to

1:12:05

natural health products Because otherwise you could die like little Ezekiel died. Yeah. And yet you ask the question,

1:12:11

where are the bodies? Where are the bodies? How many people die from properly prescribed medication?

1:12:20

I remember reading the Bman and Johnson study out of the US. 180,000

1:12:26

US citizens were dying every year from properly prescribed

1:12:32

medication. And then there was adjunct studies that came forth that that showed shocking figures, combinations where two

1:12:40

medications were put together and the event was death as a result of it.

1:12:46

They've never seen that with uh these agents. I'm talking about natural health products,

1:12:52

cinnamon, vitamin C, all of the nutrients.

1:12:57

Y there is no history on it. Yep. And you have about the same amount of people taking medications as they are

1:13:03

taking natural health products. It's, you know, statistics are about 60 to 70% is my understanding. Yeah.

1:13:08

Of all Canadians are taking some kind of natural health product. And yet we're not seeing like you're saying where where's where's the bodies?

1:13:15

And yet on the alopathic side, it's one of the leading causes of death. It is. And then when we take a look at

1:13:21

the whole um system as a whole and you look at medical misadventure or medical

1:13:26

malpractice combined with properly prescribed medication, you see over half

1:13:33

a million people dying within North America every year in

1:13:39

Canada. That's a goodiz city dying every year. And that's just what's being reported because it's highly under

1:13:45

reportported because the system is is there to protect itself. They estimate one in 10 actually report.

1:13:51

Right. Exactly. Especially when it comes to to vaccines, it's about one in 100 to one in 10 um for adverse reports.

1:13:59

So the system naturally is self-protective. And so they're not reporting against themselves. Like a

1:14:05

doctor who messed up isn't going to say, "Oh, I messed up on the death certificate. It was my fault." Often

1:14:10

times they're looking for a scapegoat. And so those numbers aren't even reflective of what's actually taking

1:14:16

place, but that's what's being reported. About a half a million people per year in North America dying from a

1:14:23

combination of properly prescribed medications and medical misadventure or medical malpractice. Yes.

1:14:29

And that's exactly what we saw with Ezekiel. And yet death certificate, bacterial menitis. And yet that was

1:14:35

proven to be a complete farce. ignoring the truth that comes out of the very

1:14:41

beginning of the case that they did not have the intubation kits for little

1:14:48

children and the the baby went without air for eight plus minutes,

1:14:54

right? Yeah. And and well, depend and they've skipped over that. They don't want to they it's like they say,

1:14:59

"Okay, we're going to create a diversion. Look over here. Don't look over here. Here's where the truth is. we're gonna

1:15:06

talk about this. Well, they did a fantastic job because then when I would publicly speak about this, people would say, "You're just

1:15:11

trying to point the blame." Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. I'm just telling the truth. I wasn't trying to I wasn't

1:15:17

in the game of blaming anybody. They're blaming me. You got to understand that they're reading the media. And a lot of people,

1:15:23

I'm sorry, I'm going to be a little crude. Suck up the slop. They listen to this stuff.

1:15:28

Yeah. There's no validity to it. But it's just interesting how they they could completely flip it on its head that now

1:15:34

when you speak truth, you're just deflecting. You're trying to blame. No, I never mentioned anything about this

1:15:41

publicly before until they tried to blame me falsely and they falsified an autopsy report to get there.

1:15:47

It's the package. It's it's what they do. Um it's the blame game.

1:15:53

So So once again, I mean, let's let's leave off with that, but once again, that's available on 90minute film. Uh

1:15:59

once again, it's going to glue you to your seat. The people versus David and Colette Stefen found on tropcanada.com

1:16:06

um media tab or you can even go to matadorfilms.com or mad sorry matadorfilms.ca

1:16:14

and you can view it there as well. Um so great films there and it's a

1:16:19

two-part package. What happened is um Todd Harris and myself went on a tour,

1:16:25

30-day tour back in uh 2024. And by the time we were done that tour of touring

1:16:30

Canada, going to to movie theaters and whatnot, uh showcasing the film, he was

1:16:36

convinced that his next film actually needs to be the pre-quill, which is the uh epiphany, the true battle. And that's

1:16:42

why that one was published this year. And so we see that this agenda with Health Canada continues on. We see that

1:16:49

there's still a battle to continue to bless the lives of so many people. And you see other products here today

1:16:55

compared to yesterday when we were doing part two. Sure. Uh other products were designed as well to help with the program that we have in

1:17:01

place to help people come off medications to help them deal with anxiety issues, hormone issues. And so,

1:17:06

you know, the scope has been broadened over the years. And would you what would you say in relation to how we're

1:17:12

operating today compared to the early days when we literally only had Empower Plus that we were helping people with?

1:17:18

If I was going to sum the whole thing up, sum up the whole matter,

1:17:23

I would talk about the half a million plus 500,000

1:17:29

people who are no longer on medications

1:17:35

uh that we've assisted, that we had a legal right that was provided in the court. That was a finding of fact and

1:17:42

provided to us and it was a gift. We're non-medical in nature. We're not we're

1:17:48

not doctors. And we've been accused sometimes by medical doctors of practicing medicine.

1:17:54

No, we're practicing nutrition. We're we're practicing an easier way

1:18:01

where you take nutrients and you allow your body to correct the inward problem.

1:18:07

And it does. If I was to talk about the back then even 15,000 plus medical

1:18:15

practitioners who have used this in their practice and have found the great

1:18:20

gift of healing. If I was to talk about millions of people worldwide, whether it's in Korea,

1:18:28

Germany, Denmark, who are taking this product, even until

1:18:33

today, the I remember sitting in Korea with the women's council. There was 20 women on

1:18:41

that council and they were very driven

1:18:47

because of the extremely high suicide rate in Korea of the youth. So much

1:18:55

pressure on the schooling there. You've got to be at the top or you

1:19:00

failed. and and visiting with them through an interpreter and they were all

1:19:05

using and promoting empower plus and there was doctors in that committee,

1:19:11

female doctors uh speaking in front of 150 doctors in

1:19:17

the largest hospital in uh soul Korea.

1:19:22

It's the largest hospital in Korea, period. And they openly accept nutrition.

1:19:30

Openly accept nutrition there. They don't have

1:19:36

an FDA/Health Canada that's doing the same thing there that they're attempting here with their

1:19:44

draconian actions. This has been nothing but a gift from

1:19:49

God. That's why I call it true hope. There only is one true hope. Thank you, God.

1:19:54

Saved my family. I say to people all the time, "Wow, uh Mr. Stefan, uh we've

1:20:01

received such a great blessing from what you've done." No, you've

1:20:07

received the same blessing that I've received in my family. It's the same

1:20:13

blessing. It's called nutrition. And yes, we had divine intervention that

1:20:19

brought this forth that helped us in every negative situation that we had.

1:20:26

Are we perfect? No. Are we Have we been broken and humbled? Absolutely. I mean,

1:20:31

we had the largest force in the land come at us, but they didn't make it. I'm

1:20:38

not boasting. I'm talking here about God's help. And we've seen miracle after miracle

1:20:45

after miracle. Well, the product itself is a miracle. The fact that there's 36

1:20:50

ingredients. I'm not here to sell anything to you good folks. There's the supplement list. We have to do that by

1:20:56

law. And we and this is produced in lawful places. It is. It's done in the

1:21:02

right with the right methodology done correctly.

1:21:08

And I have to say that's a miracle in itself. The fact that uh I'm going to

1:21:13

say it again. Two dummies put this together. I wasn't I didn't know anything about nutrition. I could tell

1:21:20

you about eating a piece of toast if you want. So, okay. So, how many how many variations of that did you have to make

1:21:25

before it had the effect that you were looking for? Not many at all. Not many. In fact, uh basically from the

1:21:33

get-go after we came out of the synergy quad days, boom.

1:21:38

But we prayed about it. Right. So, so the first time that you produced your own product rather than using four other products or trying to

1:21:44

replace the colloidal minerals and all that type of stuff that that weren't working anymore from from a different company once you made this and I

1:21:52

remember the initial bottles and they had research only or or something to that effect that it wasn't it wasn't for

1:21:58

sale. It was a general white label that was basically it was a test product. Yes.

1:22:04

You made it. Did it work? Yes. Right off the bat. Right off the bat. Now, that's the

1:22:10

amazing thing. It didn't take 10 years of hit and miss, hit and miss, right? You didn't have to go and adjust

1:22:15

the the the vari or the ratios. You didn't have to do it. You made the product. It went to test. You were

1:22:22

anticipating that you were going to have to fine-tune. Well, yeah. Exa. Exactly. But did you have to fine tune?

1:22:28

No, we didn't. And what's amazing about it, and I'm going to ask our viewing

1:22:33

audience to ask themselves, have you ever had an experience where it was

1:22:38

given to you to know what to do or what not to do? You ever have a feeling in

1:22:45

your heart that says, "Don't do that." And you listen to it or you disobeyed it

1:22:50

and then you got into a problem. Lots of people do. That's the experience that we had in putting this together. M

1:22:57

should we put this in? Let's read about it. Let's study it. Should we put this in? I wonder. No, don't do it.

1:23:06

Okay, we listen to those prompings. And we all, every one of us as human beings

1:23:13

have a gift. We're made by the creator. We have that gift within us to discern.

1:23:19

And and isn't that interesting because even now today with I'll call it the methylation craze because it's now being

1:23:24

identified that many people have methylation issues where they're incapable of methylating B vitamins or

1:23:29

they're capable of methylating in the body which is so crucial for all aspects of life including detoxification.

1:23:36

So now there's this idea that we need to take methylated B vitamins. Yes, there is the big craze,

1:23:42

right? But today we still don't have methylated B vitamins in here and for very good reason.

1:23:49

because you can overmethylate and you don't want to do that. You'll start barking at your dog. You won't be

1:23:55

sleeping at night if you overmethylate and that's wellestablished in science and and the far end of overmethylation

1:24:02

is actually suicide. It's terrible and that that's where it can lead and we've seen that happen. It's not good. It's a major imbalance.

1:24:09

But what we found, David, is I remember that mom and dad mom and daughter pair

1:24:15

coming to me. uh we've got the uh the gene expression both of us had tested

1:24:21

the MTHFR gene mutation y and so we did provide at that time a

1:24:26

methylated product and then they both got wound up after about two months it

1:24:32

showed up in a very high intensed highpitched anxiety restlessness

1:24:41

couldn't sleep mood you know yep disability study and uh I recommended to

1:24:49

him. I said that's interesting because the methylation now is working on the other side of the

1:24:56

poll. It may have been helping you at the front end initially. Yep. And so I said why don't you just take

1:25:02

our standard empower plus and the report came back within a week.

1:25:08

Wow, we're there. They were now methylating. We are now we've arrived. Now, is this a

1:25:15

couple as well that you had referenced before that they actually did a follow-up test and no longer the did the

1:25:20

MTHFR gene mutation show up or is that a different couple? That's a different that's a different couple, but they found within themselves

1:25:27

the power and how nutrients can help our body to recre recreate itself,

1:25:34

right? And actually correct genetic mutations. Now, initially when when this was happening, PE doctors, researchers

1:25:40

are looking at it and saying bipolar is a genetic disorder. You can't use vitamins and minerals to correct it. And

1:25:45

yet we're correcting it, right? All the time. So we challenged the very premise of

1:25:50

science at that point in time, right? Or the established science within within

1:25:56

medicine. Yeah. Today, are we doing the same thing in relation to the whole concept surrounding genetic mutations?

1:26:02

I think so. I think that we're learning as we're going more and more and more that the body has the power and

1:26:10

endowment within itself to correct itself if you give it the building

1:26:15

blocks of life. And that's the key to this whole thing. And there's nothing but building blocks

1:26:22

in these things. And Dr. Brian Cole found the same thing when he did a follow-up study using the Empire Plus on rat brains or on rats,

1:26:29

sorry, that obviously had brains, but they had missing portions of the brains where they had induced a what they call

1:26:35

a stroke by removing frontal lobe, a large portion of it or punching holes in the parietal lobes. And what he found

1:26:40

was the same thing that it challenged the basis of science. They established science saying that when brain damage

1:26:46

happens, the damage is done. Nothing can happen. That's well, we've heard that, haven't we? Oh, you've damaged the nerves in

1:26:52

your arm. you'll never be. Yes, that's false. And we we see that when you give your

1:26:58

body exactly what it needs in an abundance so that you have more than just enough to make sure that all the

1:27:04

functions are happening, the the vital functions, but now you have enough to to divert it to healing. That brain matter

1:27:11

can recreate. Yes. That chunks of brain that were missing can reappear. That cognition can be

1:27:19

reestablished and beyond. That's what they found in the rat brain study. that the rats that had brain damage, 90 days

1:27:25

later, they're outperforming the regular rats that never had brain damage. Well, in fact, that's what the Morris tank test showed. The the scientific

1:27:31

test showed that they outperformed uh by far the normal controls. We get

1:27:39

back to that word normality again, right? But well, and it's ridiculous and ludicrous.

1:27:44

Uh we see a little baby in arms at 7 and 12 lbs. It's its kneecap is smaller than

1:27:51

that fingernail. And we see it as an adult, 25 years old, and the kneecap is this big. And we say,

1:27:59

"Well, you can't regrow cartilage." Well, how did that baby get from that size? How did the nerves lengthen,

1:28:07

right? You know, by feet. Literally by feet in length. Yeah. Well, because we're we are

1:28:17

built in such a dynamic way that we can heal, but these nutrient substrates are

1:28:24

essential to life and they have to be bioavailable and that's the key to this

1:28:30

whole process. I need iron uh in my diet. It's understood that in ADHD

1:28:37

studies when they took a hundred children uh that were normal controls, no ADHD symptoms, and they took a 100

1:28:45

children with ADHD and they did blood drips, they took blood testing analysis,

1:28:50

unfailingly, they found the ADHD children had an iron deficiency

1:28:56

and you can't just take iron. And we see the same thing with schizophrenics. People have schizophrenia, low zinc, right? We see

1:29:03

we see these things occurring where it's identifiable that particular deficiencies will result in particular

1:29:09

disorders. True they do. And the co-actors are required to lift and to utilize that

1:29:15

iron to produce the various neurotransmitters that are responsible for cognitive function. I can add, I can

1:29:22

subtract, I can think logistically, emotional function. These things are absolutely essential to our diet. And we

1:29:30

we talked in part two about the 1992 Earth Summit where it showed and

1:29:35

demonstrated that North American soils are drastically reduced in mineral

1:29:41

density. Well, what does our food look like then? We're eating cardboard food and we eat highly processed food. We eat white

1:29:49

bread. Now, people are going to get upset. I'm sorry if I've offended a few out there. I like white bread, too. But

1:29:55

uh I I prefer whole grains and sprouted and whatever because it gives you better

1:30:00

longevity. You're getting more out of it. But the point that I'm making is that it's in the food. Our food supply

1:30:09

has been messed with. We take a crop and we spray it uh in the beginning with

1:30:16

anhydrous ammonia in order to make it grow. Yeah. It flourishes. Big green

1:30:21

leaves, tomatoes, potatoes, whatever. But we've killed we've killed the humus

1:30:29

in the soil, right? We've sterilized the soil. Whereas the soil is similar to our intestinal tract and it's supposed to be

1:30:35

teeming with life, bacterial life, fungi, which helps facilitate the

1:30:41

breakdown and then the uptake of these nutrients into plants and also a conversion process that occurs.

1:30:47

It's it's like taking an antibiotic overdose. Now, don't take me wrong. I

1:30:53

love antibiotics. Whoa. They're amazing. They are they are amazing. When you've got an infection,

1:31:01

they do amazing things, especially the organic base that originally came out.

1:31:07

But the amount of uh antibiotic abuse sterilizing our systems the same way as

1:31:14

the soils sterilized and we eat food and we're not uptaking. M

1:31:20

we're not uptaking. Right. So, so all antibiotic use right off the bat, I mean this this should be known for our audience and we've seen

1:31:26

this in our database when we're tracking people's symptoms and identifying patterns is that anytime somebody uses

1:31:31

any particular antibiotic or pharmaceutical antibiotic, because there's many herbal antibiotics out there that are fantastic. Anytime

1:31:38

somebody uses a a pharmaceutical antibiotic, it has to be followed up with probiotics because it is

1:31:45

non-discriminatory and it will destroy all sorts of good bacteria in the gut, preventing proper digestion and uptake

1:31:50

of the empower plus which we've seen um a recurrence of the symptoms of the

1:31:56

mental illness that they were once they had overcome and now they're saying why am I bad wrong again like what's going

1:32:02

on what's happening here why why am I feeling all these feelings and we go through the the list and oh you recently

1:32:07

on antibiotics two weeks ago. That's why. Right. So, so we actually see the effect that it has. It's very

1:32:14

sterilizing. Reminds me of that mom that was working with a doctor in southern Alberta and he

1:32:19

was coaching her. He actually said, "Well, you know, I don't think this is going to do anything, but you can try it." And he saw the major effect on her

1:32:26

bipolar condition. And she was great for five, six months.

1:32:31

Got onto an antibiotic and crashed. Yep. And I even had a discussion with her and she put it over to the doctor. I

1:32:39

said, "At antibiotics, you had a terrible infection. Fix it. Those can

1:32:45

ravage the body and even take your life. A major infection. Good for what you're doing. Good for what your doctor is

1:32:51

doing." But yeah, you got to replant the grass. You've got to do that. And when

1:32:57

she started taking probiotics and eating raw broccoli, which is very intense in

1:33:03

good bacteria, things like this, yeah, she got it back very quickly. And that's

1:33:08

what you're talking about here. And so we've learned through working with thousands and thousands and

1:33:16

thousands of people how the body can function and how it works with nutrition

1:33:22

and how it doesn't work properly in a lack,

1:33:27

you know, a deficiency state. No question. And that's what all the research points to the 37 medical

1:33:34

journals uh publications from 16 different universities and at that time 16

1:33:41

different disorders. They tested every case it showed amelioration or reduction

1:33:49

of the effects of the the disorder.

1:33:54

And we've come to learn what makes this work and what doesn't make it. But this

1:33:59

is the same original thing. Absolutely. Just processed in a much more effective

1:34:05

way. Yes. That allows for it to be closer to or basically in line with how nature does it under ideal conditions. And that's

1:34:11

why we're now using six to nine capsules per day of this version and that matches

1:34:17

the original 48 capsules per day. Even though the ingredients are identical, what what has been developed over the

1:34:23

years that that you guys have pioneered, I haven't been part of that process, but in relation to learning the

1:34:29

micronization and developing your own keation processes, it's been phenomenal how little

1:34:35

nutrition you need now to generate those kinds of substantive results in people's

1:34:41

lives where their lives are literally transformed. send minerals into your gut that are way larger than the human cell

1:34:50

and let's see how your uptake's going to be. Yeah. The cell's not going to absorb something bigger than itself. It can't. It's like eating boulders. Yeah. Right

1:34:56

here. We're we're going to eat a pumpkin today. It's half the size of this room. Doesn't work, you know. And and we've

1:35:03

learned that through micronization and reducing the particle size that the uptake is very rapid and the chilate

1:35:13

that makes the nutrients stay together through the varying

1:35:19

uh levels of pH, acidity, alkalinity in the body because you're throwing you're

1:35:26

throwing these nutrients. For instance, you take calcium carbonate. we're just going to buy a cheap form of calcium

1:35:33

carbonate for five bucks off the shelf and hope it fix our bones because we've got osteoporosis.

1:35:39

You throw that into your gut and immediately it hits the stomach acid and it breaks down. It it uh breaks down

1:35:47

into a positive ion of calcium, a negative ion of of carbonate, and now

1:35:54

you've got magnetically charged particles in your stomach. It gets into your bowels and it's carried out.

1:36:00

But what we do is we cause the elemental mineral to become organic and form just

1:36:07

like the tomato plant does. So when you eat a tomato, you're going to get about 95% of the mineral qual quantity in

1:36:14

there. Well, this is like unto that. This is why it has such a profound effect

1:36:20

because that mineral stays together throughout those varying levels of pH,

1:36:25

stomach acidity, and bowel alkalinity. So, it works. It traverses the membrane,

1:36:32

gets into the blood system, and you're affecting the cellular mass. And it doesn't just work for

1:36:38

so-called mental aberrations or mental conditions. It's affecting everything

1:36:44

from your toenails to the top of your head. Well, it's just a broadspectctrum multivitamin mineral that's actually

1:36:49

doing what it should be doing. And that and people even I mean, who doesn't have stress and yet the Christ Church uh New

1:36:55

Zealand earthquake highlights the effects that this has when you're under a highly stressful situation and how you

1:37:03

can get through it with less anxiety, less depression, and a greater motivation to rebuild, to recreate, and

1:37:08

we all have our own losses. Well, and that was a PTSD study that was performed after that major earthquake in in Christ

1:37:15

Church. Y and they used eight capsules. Yep. Yes, it was eight. It was eight capsules and it was

1:37:20

phenomenal results. Yeah. And it wasn't a long period of time. That study was only what 45 60

1:37:27

days. Yeah. I don't I don't I should go back and I don't recall the exact timeline, but it was phenomenal. 81%

1:37:34

decrease in PTSD symptoms over that short block of period. I think it was one month.

1:37:41

Isn't that amazing that it doesn't matter what we're going through in life? Our ability to get through it and our

1:37:48

ability to reframe it and to not allow it to be an anchor that holds us back

1:37:55

for the rest of our life is dictated upon the levels of nutrients that we have within our system. Isn't that

1:38:00

amazing? Oh, it is. that that it actually changes the essence of who we are and how we perceive the world around us and how we

1:38:06

handle situations. And that's one of the things that healthy people will take this that don't have mental health conditions and then they have this

1:38:12

awakening when they end up in a stressful situation like yeah I responded really differently to that what what's going on right it's not

1:38:18

until they're put into the press that all of a sudden they realize hey this nutrition is actually having a real great impact.

1:38:24

Well there's a lot of wives out there I've talked to people all over the world in in groups of a thousand 2,000 3,000

1:38:31

people like in Korea or wherever and you hear the same story repeated. My husband

1:38:36

was so grumpy I couldn't live with him. Okay. And now he brings me flowers.

1:38:44

It actually he's become the man I married. And and chemistry rules. It's amazing how it how that changes.

1:38:50

Right. Hey, just star just starve yourself for a couple of days and let's see let's see what your demeanor is like,

1:38:57

right? And and when we're talking about not even just things like serotonin and dopamine, oxytocin, right? The bonding

1:39:04

Yes. hormone that requires nutrition to produce that. There are some people that are so disconnected because they're so nutrient

1:39:10

depleted that you give them a hug. They don't respond because they're not producing oxytocin.

1:39:15

Exactly. So, it's so crucial that we have all of those nutrients to allow for us to actually be able to connect with our

1:39:22

fellow being and to be able to relate to them and to also even be mindful of their needs and to become more selfless

1:39:28

in nature because we see the opposite of that. And we're talking NPD here, narcissistic personality disorder.

1:39:34

That's a nutrient deficiency disorder. And these people are actually the victims and then they victimize everyone

1:39:39

around them. They are the first victim because they are the ones that have to live with it first and foremost. And

1:39:46

they don't even know what's going on. True. Right. And all they needed was some good nutrition and all of a sudden they

1:39:53

awaken and they connect and they learn to be loving. And I've seen it firsthand with two people that lived in my

1:39:59

property. I've seen NPD rapidly turn around. Totally. David, you remember the story from the

1:40:06

New Testament where the Savior waits for 4 days and then he goes to see his

1:40:12

friend Lazarus who's been dead in the tomb for 4 days. And he raises him from the dead and he

1:40:20

gives two commands to the people probably to Mary and Martha, his friends, the sisters of Lazarus. He

1:40:27

says, "Unbind him. Take take the mummy wrappings off of him.

1:40:33

Y now feed him. M even the Lord

1:40:39

of our life who came for us said feed him

1:40:46

because it's essential that we eat and it's essential that we find good food

1:40:53

free from chemical and food that's highly well high in in mineral density.

1:41:01

Right? And and this supplement because that's what it is. It is a supplement. Supplementing what's not in the food

1:41:06

today. Yes. We'll look after that for you. You feel better. You sleep better. You have

1:41:12

longevity. We're not plagued by a lot of the disorders that come along. Absolutely.

1:41:19

And so, it's a gift. It really is. And it came through a lot of stress and a lot of trial, a lot of travail. And I'm

1:41:27

grateful for it because it healed my family. My family's intact. And I was a

1:41:32

very sick father with worry and grief because I thought I was going to lose my

1:41:37

children. And they're doing well. Yeah. Thanks to the gift that God gave us. So,

1:41:43

we have a rich 30-year history since the discovery was made that ultimately began

1:41:48

the transformation within the individuals, your your children, but then as our family as a whole that then

1:41:56

went on organically grassroots style to then begin to bless people in the

1:42:02

community and it would eventually become this this discovery that would go and be

1:42:07

scientifically validated for all sorts of conditions across in university around the world. Totally. And it would help hundreds of

1:42:13

thousands of people, helping them to to live a pharmaceutical free life with clarity. Their brain is now turned on.

1:42:20

They're able to make, you know, good logical decisions in their life.

1:42:25

We've had a beautiful history that's been, you know, laid out in the in the last, you know, we're about four and a

1:42:31

half hours of video here over three podcasts. Yeah. What do you see for the the years to

1:42:37

come? What what do you see for True Hope? What do you see for humanity? What

1:42:42

what what is your envisionment of what's to take place over the next few years? I have a hope I hope it's a true hope

1:42:52

that the younger generation that's starting to get it now will rise up and

1:42:58

utilize these wondrous tools. Not just what we have here, but many of

1:43:05

these nutrients and that we will become a disorder free

1:43:12

uh world free of free of scurvy, free of uh osteoarthritis, free of asthma, free

1:43:21

of mental conditions. And it's a generalized hope. And there's

1:43:26

no reason why we as a people who were designed by a merciful

1:43:32

God who loves his children would not want that

1:43:39

cuz he does. I believe it. And that's why this thing came to the forefront.

1:43:45

And it's a beginning of a change of a new world that will come where we will

1:43:51

be disease-free. We're not meant to go through this. We're not meant to have huge hospitals.

1:43:59

Hey, you know, I I got the recognition. I'm running down Highway two in my truck

1:44:04

and I get into an accident. Terrible accident. I get all torn apart and broken up.

1:44:09

Of course, don't rub green leaves on me, right? Go to the emergency room, get rebuilt. Humpty Dumpty put me back together

1:44:15

again. Sure. There's a purpose for all these things, but not in the chemical world,

1:44:22

right? We're not seeing the hope of anything there, right? It's it's not about

1:44:28

pharmaceutical medicine. It's about emergency medicine. That's where the they they really shine is emergency.

1:44:33

Yes. They're good at what they do. But let's go back to eating whole foods.

1:44:39

Let's go back to the gift that we have here that he gave us in True Hope

1:44:45

and all these other marvelous agents that can help to give us longevity.

1:44:50

We have so many warehouses of death. Yeah. The old folks homes. Yep.

1:44:56

There are so many people that could be re revitalized and rebuilt and

1:45:01

get their quality of life back. Absolutely. Absolutely. Empowered. Empowered. And we can do that. And

1:45:07

that's the hope. And so I just want to express gratitude to God and my family

1:45:12

and to all those good people around the world. Um I remember that lady who cried

1:45:19

over her son uh Jun Lee in in Korea and

1:45:25

she got her son back. She got him back and she was so full of of light and glory because of that. And

1:45:32

that's what it's about. It's about affecting people's lives in a positive way. It's not about the money. That's

1:45:39

not what this is this story is about. It's about helping.

1:45:44

We're all brothers and sisters helping each other to raise up. So, it's a wondrous story. It's a

1:45:51

miracle story because I couldn't have done it. I couldn't have done it. We got help.

1:45:58

Yeah. Well, Dad, I I want to express my gratitude first of all for you taking, you know, this over four and a half

1:46:04

hours over the the these three podcasts to share very in depth the history, the

1:46:10

rich history of True Hope, the battles that you've had to endure uh from your perspective because it's a lot different

1:46:16

than than a perspective of of a 10-year-old boy who's, you know, looking up at his dad at that point in time and

1:46:22

and then growing up and, you know, so I I appreciate you sharing all of this. It's been uh enthralling. It's been

1:46:29

enlightening. I have learned from this even though I've been working with you now for 23 years. Uh there's elements

1:46:36

here that that I wasn't apprised of. And so I I appreciate you going very deep into all of this. And I also just want

1:46:43

to express my appreciation, Dad, as a son, for you being a faithful father,

1:46:49

for you taking a bold stand to not just help the world,

1:46:56

but to provide your children with a life that they otherwise wouldn't have

1:47:03

had. Because I myself knowing where I was

1:47:08

going by the time that this came about 13 years old, I also would have had no

1:47:14

hope of having the family that I have today and a functional family where you

1:47:19

took something from chaos and turned it into order where you allowed this. You

1:47:25

became a vessel and you were willing to be faithful and strong and receive that calling and take a bold stand even

1:47:32

against the forces of evil that came through the government. And you allowed that to happen. And you have been an

1:47:38

instrument through God in blessing hundreds of thousands of lives. And I would like to express my appreciation

1:47:44

for that because I live a different life than I otherwise would have. I have a meaningful life, an

1:47:51

empowered life where I get to choose what I want to do rather than being controlled and enslaved to a

1:47:57

debilitating disorder that would have fallen under some kind of bipolar rage, hyper ir irritability, that type of

1:48:03

thing that would have likely landed me in jail or or worse. So, thank you. I'm hearing you and and I've been a

1:48:10

benefactor because I wouldn't have a family because it wasn't just you and

1:48:17

mom and a few others. That whole family was affected

1:48:23

by nutrient deficiencies that were passed down through a mom

1:48:28

who had nothing to do with it, not understanding. Uh we don't even comprehend this today

1:48:34

as well as we should. But I say thanks be to God that this thing came forth and it did

1:48:41

save our family and it saved hundreds of thousands of families worldwide.

1:48:47

Thanks for what you're doing. Thank you, Dad. Thank you.

1:48:52

We want to express our appreciation if you made it to the end of this now uh the third episode. And um like I said,

1:48:59

there's resources on tropecanada.com under the media tab. Uh I believe those

1:49:05

links will be provided in the show notes and we hope that you yourself are

1:49:10

empowered with a greater level of hope and understanding that lives can be radically transformed simply by putting

1:49:17

the proper nutrition into our bodies that we needed all along that allow for the proper production of neurotransmitters and hormones that

1:49:24

ultimately facilitate communication within the body. And there's other podcasts and and videos out there that

1:49:30

go in in depth in relation to each and every product and the role that they play in facilitating that radical

1:49:36

transformation. And so this is the end of the history of True Hope uh the 30

1:49:43

the past 30 years. Thank you, Dad, for for taking the time again. And we look forward to hearing the feedback from

1:49:50

those that that have watched this and have applied these principles to their lives and get to see that radical life

1:49:55

transformation themselves. And thank you viewers for participating and you have a great gift in your hand

1:50:02

to help so many of your family and other people that we don't know. So this is a

1:50:08

gift. Thank you. [Music]