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okay Anthony welcome to the show thank you so much for joining us how are you hey good to be here thank you for having

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me on today it's wonderful awesome well now you must have told the true hope

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story a million times but I'm really interested to kind of get into the What specifically stands out to you now from

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looking back to the past about everything that happened well you know it's it's been 24 years and we've told

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this story all over Europe all over the United States stes in Canada into

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Korea um yeah it's been heralded uh far and wide it it really has and it's been

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a really exciting experience as we've worked with oh hundreds of thousands of

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people around the world right now we're into 104 different countries and so when

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I look back over the last 24 years it's been a wonderful

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experience uh we've seen so many lives changed and that's what this whole thing

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is about it's about improving lives making lives richer I don't mean

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monetarily but I mean richer in the experience of a life that can be normal

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where they can find joy and happiness truly and you've experienced this just like all over the world and it's been

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received in a really positive way oh totally I I remember in Korea they set up a a committee of of wonderful Ladi

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these women to work with uh autistic children and we put a lot of time and

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effort into that and we saw marvelous things and of course the research Bears it out uh the study by Lewis Mal Madrona

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very uh credible scientist in the US uh proving that Empower plus had a an a

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great a powerful impact upon children with autism so yeah it's just a a very

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gratifying experience to work with people wonderful and we had an episode with your son David where he really went

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into some wonderful detail about kind of the whole story and um I'd really like

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to just jump into a few specific points if you don't mind true thing so your first wife Debbie you know after after a

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couple of weeks on Prozac she ended up committing suicide leaving leaving leaving 10 children motherless and this

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was 16 years after her father also committed suicide yes and Debbie was diagnosed with bipolar depressive

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disorder one with Rapid Cycling I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about what that diagnosis means it's

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terrifying uh a family can't exist when there's a full blowing case of bipolar

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effective disorder one with Rapid Cycling it's so destructive and it's not

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the individual that's suffering with it it's not their fault it has nothing to

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do with with them it's all about brain chemistry and so you get these terrible

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mood swings terrible periods of of sadness and uh where they're very solemn

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in these individuals and we've worked with tens and tens and tens of thousands

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of people with this issue but where they don't find any happiness in life at all

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and then on the other side of the spectrum the highs the extreme manic

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highs the delusional thinking that's out of control where these

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individuals can't put it together and they're heavily spending that's one of

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the in fact that's one of the symptoms that they that they uh spend themselves

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right into debt and uh yeah it's all of the above um nothing normal about it at

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all and it's destructive it's destructive to to the husband or the

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wife that's the spouse of the individual suffering with it extremely destructive

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to the children because there's no stability in a relationship like that

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and that's what we were dealing with sadly and I've watched a bunch of your interviews or you're you're talking

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about the specific time and in your in your own words you said that she'd lost it so I just wonder what was it kind of

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like to witness that you know as a partner watching somebody go go through that like I can't even put myself in the

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image of that with like with my wife it's really really disturbing to even begin to put that image together so you

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know what was that like to witness let me give you a case uh in the middle of the night waking up and finding my wife

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sitting up in bed and and weeping and saying I don't know who I am anymore am

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I this person am I this person that's how much total confusion there is in the

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mind of of I'm going to call them victims because they're victims to this

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disorder and the spouse is always the bad guy always or the bad woman it's

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always their fault uh we've had uh a a lot of dealings with people I'll never

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forget the time that a lady phoned into our call center and I hope this is appropriate to say if it isn't you you

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can remove it but called into the uh call center and talked to one of our

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counselors and said uh I'm so much better now I've got my life back on

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Empower plus I've been on a year and I remember telling um you and you probably

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put this into the records that my husband repeatedly raped and and beat me

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never happened I want you to strike it I've heard doctors talk about this as well

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that's how delusional people get their reality is so twisted and so bent and

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and that's what we were dealing with on a daily basis so sad uh Debbie's father

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was just like that as well U really struggled and he was such a good person

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but it was terrible what the family went through and that's the trick that's the really tough thing is because you you

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have you know these people deep down with without this disorder and then just

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seeing them as being somebody someone else that you don't recognize and they don't even recognize themselves that's a

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really scary notion oh it is it's terrifying to live in that state so you

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know after you tragically lost your wife you were widowed to 10 kids and if things weren't Tough Enough two of your

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children were also struggling with mental conditions um themselves can you kind of tell us about like how that that

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came around yeah 23-year-old Autumn uh she was our uh second born in

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the family and uh Joseph who at that time was

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15 uh and both of them suffered with the same type of symptoms as their mother

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overt Behavior out of control we use that that terminology but absolutely out of

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control for Joe uh when I look at Joe and and and

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the way that he lives now he's happily married has a wonderful wife they have

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six children and they're doing very well at that time he had uh been freshly

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charged with a federal weapons offense extremely violent uh raging uh

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explosively this is one of the symptoms of of bipolar disorder as well outof

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control rage and uh both of them at that time uh were

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in just a terrible place and I guess as a father it it was

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a a real boot because it left me in a situation

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knowing that the medications weren't working having worked with numerous

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doctors in both Autumn's life and in Joseph's life and not seeing I'll say go

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right out the limb and not seeing any positive effects from the medications in

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fact I think actually they made things worse yeah that was going to be my next question was like you know both of them

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were under under doctor's care they were on medications but you know it didn't

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seem like it was helping it didn't seem like it kept them where they were if anything it was it was harming them

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further exactly here's Autumn I'm going to say probably five six years worth of medications to that point things like

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hdll riverol uh Adavan um

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Centon uh terrible terrible side effects but we weren't seeing anything positive

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and her husband wasn't seeing anything positive he's trying to cope looking after the child who has

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severe ADHD uh her boy James was born with

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ADHD and he's trying to cope with that problem trying to put food on the table

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and trying to deal with a wife that uh is really lost within herself oh yeah

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terrifying and yes so Tim actually had she had a young child at the time like during kind of the peak of her symptoms

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um do you think that she would have been able to parent if it not were for micronutrient support no she she would

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not have made it at all in fact uh the evidence that's shown out of the the DSM

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4 this is an older diagnostic statistical manual put out by the

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American Psychiatric association clearly demonstrates uh as a uh as a repository

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or composite uh of data that women women

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who are bipolar will give birth to children that are

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ADHD and when those child children hit puberty most most often they're

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diagnosed with bipolar disorder as well so that family didn't have a a prayer

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they didn't have a chance there's no way that they were going to be successful in fact her doctor had told her one more uh

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breakout and you're going to the institution as if it's her fault right

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and once you're in the institution there's no coming out in most cases you see yeah that's that's r

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wild I've seen the pictures of autumn with the the cabinet of pharmaceuticals

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and I I was watching one of your presentations and I saw that and I was thinking you know somebody does get diagnosed with bipolar there's not a

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there's not a textbook pharmaceutical manual really to go through it's a

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little bit more of a a gamble see what works see what doesn't playing around with different medication so when you

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were you know going through those conventional channels did you see did you see the Physicians

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like was it did they did it seem like they really knew what they were doing or it was like they were just dabbling with

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different drugs to see what would work it's guesswork sadly and when you look

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at how many Physicians commit suicide that are practicing psychiatrics it's

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it's through the roof it's got to be the most despairing

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type of of uh profession because you don't see a lot

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of people ever get better you might sedate the hay out of them to the point that they can't even speak but that's

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that's not repairing that's not uh bringing forth the real person and uh so

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the suicide rate is extremely high for Physicians who practice psychiatrics

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because they see these people come in for years and years and years

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uh it would be like being a mechanic and and every uh every week uh the guy down

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the street brings his car in and you just can't fix it you'd get to the point where you'd lose confidence in

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yourself you see it's sad the whole system's sad yeah and you know those I'm

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I'm convinced that most Physicians go into medicine to help people and if you were a practicing psychiatrist and you

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know you were specializing in ious disorders like bipolar and you weren't seeing recovery and you weren't seeing

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patients get getting better that would be a significantly depressing state to be in day in day out in your office it

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is this is what they suffer with so the whole system is sick and I'm not saying

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that there's any villains here in that sense it it's just really tragic for

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everybody the patient and the practitioner absolutely and obviously these Physicians can only really work

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with the tools that they were given and they obiously go through a very specific phological

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training which you know not doesn't really ever necessarily look at nutrition look at diet look at

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environmental factors looks at toxins it's all about kind of like diagnosis

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and then literally going to the book and you know working with with Pharmaceuticals and then when it comes to diseases like um bipolar it really is

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it really is a Gamble and look a mix in the match um so with Joseph you said he

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was out of control he had a weapon a federal weapons charge at the time and he said he said in a few interviews that

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he was everything a schoolyard shooting is made from and he would also threaten

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and harm his family so you know this again sounds terrifying what was the atmosphere like at home because you know

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it's not just those two children and you there's there's eight other people in the house fear everybody was afraid

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everybody was traumatized and this goes with the bipolar family uh

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earlier on in the podcast um you asked me what it was like and uh everybody

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come becomes ill everybody becomes ill because of

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this disorder and it was terrifying everybody was afraid uh we would lay on

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the edge of our bed at night and we would hear him get up and we would have

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to respond yes and um yeah everyone everyone would be in a fearful State

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everyone would be in a stress response constantly because you know your body wouldn't know when it was okay to rest

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and and be okay and with something like that going on in the house everybody is like on high alert all the time and that

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obviously has Ser serious ramifications to the body and mind um was there a

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moment where You' lost all hope oh sure uh I

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remember for a Time u in fact actually having lost hope

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because I I couldn't see anything coming out of the medical system to help these

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children and I I had lost hope but I refused to resign

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myself to watch them disappear into that dark Chasm of suicide just like their

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mother and grandfather did and that's what set me to really searching and

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starting to pray and fast and look at things uh I always had this core belief

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that we've been sent here to have a mortal experience and these individuals that

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suffer with these disorders don't have a real experience they're lost within

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themselves they're lost within their chemistry and I couldn't believe that

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God who I truly believe is just and is our creator would send us here to have a tormenting

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experience like that so with that that was my Armory that was the arrow in my

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quiver knowing that that that that God does live and that he does look after us

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I I learned how to seek and how to search and how to pray and plead and look and eventually people started

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coming into my life that had some answers and other other inspiring things

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that occurred that led me uh I remember once listening to a

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tape and uh waking up in the middle of night and saying to my wife Barbra

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there's the answer there's the answer because this doctor talked about the use

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of minerals but in my sleep it had become just locked into me there is the

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answer and moving out over a 2-year period uh eventually the answer came

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together I mean we tried many modalities and nothing worked but when we returned spiritually

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towards nutrition the answers came very rapidly

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how much of your faith drove the birth of true hope 100% that's why I named it

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true hope because they only only is one true hope and that's the God above who

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created us who cares for us and so he is our true hope and that's why I named it

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and although I was very criticized for doing so because people knew if you go

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on our website you'll still read it and I've at times some of my staff have

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decided to take those statements down I tell them you get it back up because that's what we're about that's the real

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blessing here before we move on to our next topic how are Autumn and Joseph now they're doing

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extremely well Autumn is helping thousands and thousands of people she

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set up a a an online community uh she's working with people in a wonderful way

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lots of moms that are getting help for their children lots of moms getting help for themselves Autumn has helped tens

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and tens of thousands of people and Joseph doing extremely well for True

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hope he's the one that ensures that we have all of the shipping in place the

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logistics for True hope and he doesn't fail he's able to do that on a daily

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basis in a wonderful way I mean that's just wonderful considering what what they went through at such a

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young fragile age and they're just two examples of people who have come out of

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that conventional system and have really flourished but that's a really tiny percentage of people people who do

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experience know bipolar disorder and then there yeah those so many people who are just like left behind and

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institutionalized pharmace on drugs forever commit suicide and live you know

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very unfortunate lives and again it's it's not that it's not these individual people's fault yeah yeah it's really sad

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that's the great caveat people need to understand that it's they're not doing this chemistry Bears sway chemistry

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rules and when our chemistry is out of sync out of Harmony out of balance we're

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in trouble and so are the people around us okay so let's talk about health Canada we had the incredible lawyer Shan

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Buckley on the on the show in episode 10 and we discussed the Insidious side of Health Canada as a really eye openening

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insightful episode I suggest if you've not listened to that you should go back and check it out what are some of your

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more significant memories of true hopes early interactions with health

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Canada I could coin it in one word absolutely

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unreasonable they are not about health for Canada in fact it's unhealthy Canada

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because they are riding around in the pockets of the pharmaceutical interests

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and people say well how can you say that how can you actually come out and say that that well because of the evidence

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it's not we have to be very careful we have to be very careful

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because it's not what they're saying it's what they're

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doing we learn in the scriptures that uh

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uh bad will always have bad works that bad can't bear good fruit and

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and their fruit is destruction and desolation and they don't care how many

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people are lost many of the health Canada uh agents will take good

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positions expensive high paying positions in the pharmaceutical industry

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when their tenure has been completed at Health Canada it's all about money it's

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about Protec the status quo and so if you get in the

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center of that they'll take you apart um I know so many

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CEOs uh and presidents from different companies that packed up and left when

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Health Canada went after them we didn't we did not pack up I

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always believe that the good Lord was kind to us and gave us this technology

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to bless his children and when Health caner came after us with the big guns we

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stood against them it didn't matter and avoid all the threats of going to jail

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all the threats of of uh we're going to lock you up we're going to do this we're

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going to shut you down uh they didn't do it and it was a a four-year court case

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is that right well it actually ended up 10 years okay from 2001 all the way

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forward from the time that they illegally raided our operations with a

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guns drawn raid with the RCMP and with all those agents it

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started there and that went forth and uh they lost they lost I'm not boasting I'm

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going to boast in my God they lost they came at us they spent over $2 million to

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try and take us down this little company that was helping people and they lost

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and the judge ruled against them and then they decided to come again and again I remember getting a phone call

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from the um director general of the n n

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Natural Health Products directorate and he said we don't have to listen to the

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Judgment out of the courts and I said you don't no we don't have to listen

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we're above that I said good understand that if you're going to work outside of the law then I will

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too and so that's okay expect to see us and they did they we had some wonderful

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visits with them and they realized that we were very very serious about this

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thing and uh they eventually phoned us up and said look uh we're going to agree

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to disagree but we're going to leave you alone and go away and I said good good

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and all kind of came around because you didn't have a drug identification number really that's kind of what they

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were that I mean there's obviously a bigger Insidious side to health Canada's um directive but that's kind of what

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they were going with in court well it was a lie though because the in the court the evidence was provided where

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there were emails among themselves saying we will never give them a drug

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identification number you see it was a setup you have to have this and then

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they will never never allow you to have it this is the type of games that Health Canada plays they're terrible they said

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you can't make claims and I said well that's interesting section two of the

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charter of of Canadian Human Rights says I have a legal right to do so and I'm

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going to do it and I remember the crown the

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representative uh the crown attorney in the court case saying to the judge

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this man refuses to remove from the website

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claims and he's a rebellious person your honor and I spoke out to the judge and I

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said your honor clearly clearly the crown does not understand the

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Constitution Act of Canada which allows us to make

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claims and that's section two of the chart and I remember how angry the crown

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became at that and the judge said you asked the question live with the answer that's all

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there is to it and I think controlling the language is incredibly important

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here because you know being able to make a claim or not make a claim you know if Health cada has the ability to control

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what can and cannot be said which is really controversial in itself when it comes to free speech that's where you

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know a lot of this whole case evolves around it does it's under section 31 and

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32 of the Food and Drugs act and I always believed it was unconstitutional

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and I told them if you ever charge us under Section 3132 we will go to court and we will do

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a constitutional Challenge and you will lose the ability that law will be struck

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and uh they backed off they backed off all all over Canada in fact I went to

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all that I could all of the companies that were producing um nutrient-based products and

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told them it's a paper a paper tiger they all all it is is threats they

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cannot charge you and and uh nobody has been charged with that and that has now

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disappeared off the books you have a right to make a claim you have freedom of speech here in Canada we must stand

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up and speak the truth doesn't give us the right to lie it doesn't give us the

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right to deceive the public it gives us the right to speak the truth about what

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we're doing I found really interesting what what the judge said in in closing

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statements in regards to um truth true hope had no reasonable alternative but to disobey Health Canada's order to stop

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selling the product um the harm avoided was clearly and unquestionably greater

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than the harm Afflicted the judge said and the defendant true hope could have faced criminal prosecution if they

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hadn't continued to provide the supplement to people and claiming that they needed a dinin would not have been

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a suitable defense for True hope exactly because our law in Canada although the

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government in many ways now is ignoring this our law is about the protection of

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the rights the life liberty and security of the person person section s Section 8

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of the charter that's the Keystone law and and above all things is the

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preservation of and protection of life not the engenderment of Law and

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regulation you see and that's where we were going with this in fact that was a

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powerful win the necessity defense it set precedent all over

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Canada yeah I think I don't know I don't think many people enough people know how

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much of their rights and Liberties when it comes to the Natural Health world that they owe to True hope in regards to

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all all of these cour Court hearings um we're doing our best to share this information out there because there is a

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lot of documentation of this so it's it's important that you know if you do

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do hear this information and you do have an ability to share it out to one friend or a group then I think that's really really important so you know during

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these early days of true hope and that and the uh you've personally witnessed the Insidious side of Health Canada you

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know as I asked this question to Shan and he couldn't give me a clear he couldn't give me a definitive answer

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because he just wasn't sure but as a Canadian you know how does Health Canada's action actions make you think

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about what what should their real Duty be to Canadians because a lot of people think that Health Canada

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is there to protect them and keep them healthy but you know looking at like

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this case and looking what Sha's been working on for so long it really really really really isn't isn't that so you

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know looking at what they've done in the past what should what really should they be doing what should their protocols and

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their primary objectives be should be the health of Canadians and improving

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health and making it easier not uh or or much less

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bureaucratic uh the approval of products that are going to help

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people I mean I look at now with true hope we have 30 six medical journal

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Publications from 16 renowned universities 64 researchers all unpaid

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it's all independent research on 16 different disorders and in every case we

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showed uh I shouldn't say we showed because it's not our research it's not true Hope's research the university

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researchers and the universities demonstrated that you could ameliorate

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or turn around the symptoms of these various disorders with this nutrient

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supplement and yet Health Canada still continues to push it

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aside and that's a really important point the fact that true hope and has got independent research because when

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you're looking at how pharmaceutical drugs are put through the system and

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made available to Canadians they have to put forward their own research done by themselves not done by independent

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parties not done by third party interests you know they put forward their own research that they paid for

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which you know is really controversial because it opens the door to cherry-picking information you know you

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can very easily um make a research paper have the

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answer that you want it to be there a really really dodgy side to the way science is done especially when we're

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talking about billions and billions of dollars and how health Canada is so

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entwined into that application process where it is you know pretty much a billion dollars to put a pharmaceutical

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drug forward and uh it's just yeah having those independent research it's just it was just seems to me on paper

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such an easy thing to turn Health Canada into something that's got the best intentions for Canadians by allowing

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companies to put forward and present their product and showing thirdparty research that shows the product to have

32:23

positive effects and being really transparent with that information I mean that should be completely open to the

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public should be it should be absolutely but it's not no and just that on its own

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should raise an eyebrow and get people thinking in a different way buy their

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own admission on their website I don't know if it's still there but it was there uh they indicated that the client

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the true client of Health Canada is the pharmaceutical industry not us not us I

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mean I look at some of their boondoggles where they've been very foolish and they didn't remove drugs that were causing

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extreme harm and and people have lost their lives and they were very slow to

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act in removing this because of their relationship with the pharmaceutical

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industry it's really tragic it is it needs to be basically shut down and

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there should be a message minder and a light bulb on that's about it absolutely yeah I mean you spoke about that

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revolving door between Health Canada and pharmaceutical companies and we see that we see that in America as well and we

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see that in a lot of different countries and it's just it just shouldn't happen you know these these these companies

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should not be working they should be working together but like not to mutually benefit and create more money

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and wealth it's just really it's really controversial and and I really hope that a lot of people start to investigate

33:52

that a little bit more because yeah there's a really really Sinister side to all of this there is um there's a really

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amazing Discovery Health 1hour documentary about Empower plus and how it has been how how it's helped

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significantly with mental disorders and there's many different doctors and researchers and scientists who speak on this documentary it went out to 60

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nations in 30 languages you know I had to kind of dig to find that video why

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why do you think these investigations and reports have not continued you know surely it's still something that's

34:27

Sensational international news you know what's what's going on with that well because it's basically been buried I

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remember when we had a a a double blind study that came out not we but once

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again uh the University of Canterbury a double blind study that showed powerful

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results for people with depression ADHD and

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autism and that was published in the the

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journal just a minute the British Journal of Psychiatry one of the top

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renowned journals in the world what kind of publication did we have on that the

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uh the Lethbridge heral from Lethbridge Alberta had a blurb about four or five

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paragraphs long none of the media carried it why why because they're all

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in the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry when you've got billions of

35:32

dollars going into advertising whether it's the farm

35:38

chemical side of of Pharma or the drug side and they're paying these uh paying

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the media to advertise for them um no they're not prepared to show the

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research on this I'm just amazed how how uh how they've Act actually acquired a

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position that wasn't Theirs to be able to shut down the truth to be able to

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sequester truth from going forth and this is exactly what they've done there's no interest in our financial

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system in people being better you're better off to be an all

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day everyday customer of the pharmaceutical industry this is what they

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want they absolutely do how many times have we seen where they

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attacked people for drinking whole milk that was unpasteurized people trying to

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make a choice on their own for health and they've demonized that and yet half

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the world is drinking or 3/4 of the world is drinking milk that's unpasteurized you see the nonsense

36:53

that's only one little quibbling point but this is what they do so there's quite clearly wonderful and

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good well-intentioned individuals working within Health Canada Medical Systems and within

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media but there's no doubt that they're working in quite corrupt systems how

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does you know how does that happen how how do we have these this like 100% of individuals working towards kind of a

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darker goal when there are good people within that that's a very interesting question

37:26

you know if if you were to look at the true hope database according to New York State University it's the largest

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database on psychiatrics in the world it's huge but in that database there's

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over 15,000 medical practitioners who have used the product

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there are good doctors who care many many doctors uh I in fact I have doctors

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in my family uh and they they go into the practice of of Medicine with the

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hopes that they can help people that they can help mankind it's like the

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researchers many of the researchers when they start into research want to work to

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find answers for common problems that we're dealing with in our society on a

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daily basis but what happens is there's a power at the top influence ERS who are

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promoted into positions that control the policies within these

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organizations and these people are wellp paid and and they're they've got the promise of different positions if they

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do this and so they influence the policy uh I know of many doctors who are

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afraid to step out of the circle and try and do things better in the way of

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Health uh I remember how Australia changed its L its uh uh its laws towards

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allowing doctors to use what they call alternative

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therapies but they made it and this was according to the push from the public

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the the politics uh at that time really really engendered that thinking that it was

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important to have doctors be able to use all alternative practices but the

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medical associations made it so difficult for any doctor that stepped

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outside of that Circle the amount of paperwork the amount of approvals each

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thing had to be handled on a one by one single approval and it became so

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honorous that it failed because it was meant to fail you see yeah and there's so many

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wonderful individuals in all of these different industries that yeah I mean they can't

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step out of line really because they're putting their they have to be thinking about their their career their jobs

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their their their income their families their kids you know like it's not just like this something's going wrong and I

40:14

think it's wrong and then I'm have to speak out about it because we there's thousands of examples where people are completely vilified and lose their

40:20

medical licenses and then their their lives are essentially ruined so it's not so difficult for those individuals to

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step forward and and to your point in regards to how to to create a uh a

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different culture in an industry like Health Canada or medical system or within media what you would need to do

40:39

is yeah put certain individuals in charge of policy and literally creating

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a culture and you know using that word cult in there which is you know really important that's how you would kind of

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infiltrate thousands and tens of thousands of individuals who are working with a system that's that's that's how that's

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how it's done and it needs to happen there needs to be a major

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change in the thinking we've got to walk away from the gain and the gain saying

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where organizations are trying to improve their

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finances versus improving and fulfilling their missions the medical system is

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there to save lives not to improve the position of

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farma and what you're saying is so true we need influencers at the top there

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needs to be a complete a complete change of the thinking within these

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organizations to bring this about health freedom and engendering Better Health

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practices throughout the world absolutely and and and if you if you are if you are in government and and you're

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looking for you're looking to save money and to you know looking at the the

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fiscal responsibility that they have if you you just need to look at most Western countries and look at their like top bills it's like medical care and if

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you're able to make you make your populations healthier that number just drastically comes down you know it doesn't happen overnight we're talking

42:16

about 10 20 30 years but if you can make your populations healthier it puts so

42:21

much less stress on your medical system and those costs come down for you I just think about it if our governments were

42:30

really wanting to benefit the people that would be that would be a goal but

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again we have this very suspect relationship between pharmaceutical companies and our governments and our

42:43

medical system where they can make a lot more money of us if we're sick and Alive you know

42:52

we're not we're not if we're healthy and we're dead we're not really worth that much but if we're sick and we can stay

42:57

and can stay on these drugs then we're we're we're a cash cow exactly I look at

43:02

the case of France and Cuba both of them literally I mean you take broken down

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Cuba has a better medical system than what we do why they engender Health in

43:15

fact they pay the doctor for the health of their patients here we pay doctors

43:22

for the the poor health of the patients it's it's totally different the same in

43:28

France the doctors given an incentive to make the person healthy and they use a

43:34

lot of Alternatives not like Germany where where Pharma rests you see and and

43:41

these other countries where Pharma has a powerful control oh we need to change

43:46

this whole thing if we change this we'll see uh people do so much better our cost

43:54

the amount of of um GMP has to go in to

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the whole thing um oh it's just phenomenal the amount of money that's

44:05

going into um unwellness if you want to put it that way yeah a lot of people are

44:11

completely blinded by the fact that you know Canada doesn't have a brilliant health system and it's under strain it's

44:18

yeah there's there so much wrong with it but it's yeah it's a but there are examples around the world where know

44:24

countries who don't have such a significant task to other influences that do try these

44:31

alternative methods and yeah giving doctors incentives and create and having a bit more of a focus on the health of

44:37

people and giving them options and giving them ideas you know it's absolutely blew me away that throughout

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the last year we've been talking about social distancing and lockdowns and

44:48

masking and there's not been any word on really on vitamin Day vitamin D vitamin

44:55

A zinc hydroxy chlorine you know all these other things that are like cheap

45:01

available in the Natural Health world but they're not they're not talking about these in their weekly weekly

45:09

presentation drama interviews that we see on the television um I'd love to kind of finish up with a solution

45:15

section you know Tony considering everything you've been through in your life I am I I think I'm correct in

45:21

saying that you have some experience with despair absolutely so and so many

45:27

people around the world right now are literally stuck at home getting into Dark Places literally and inside of their

45:35

heads you know can you offer any advice for these for these individuals considering what you've been through look to God that may sound a little

45:43

strange develop some hope um yes we're in a terrible place right now and I

45:49

truly believe that this isn't the pandemic that it's being made out to be

45:55

at all uh my mother lived to be 92 years of age and and in the year that she died

46:03

uh she told me about her mother who lived through the Spanish flu epidemic

46:08

and she said every third or fourth door there were people that were dead or dying and

46:15

I guess I have to ask the question where are the bodies and they're playing with the numbers and this vaccination that's

46:23

untested using abortus aborted feedus uh

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DNA what are we doing there's no there's no testing on this it's absolutely

46:35

Reckless and we as the people need to stand it's our bodies um I don't want to boast I

46:43

haven't been to a doctor uh in six years the last time I went it was because uh

46:49

of a herniated uh problem that I had developed when I was 18 years of age

46:55

from carrying really really heavy things and so I've had this hernia all along and I've never had an operation and I

47:02

went to see the doctor and he just checked it out yeah it looks good that's what doctors are

47:07

for um that was the last time about six years ago uh my blood pressure if I take

47:13

my blood pressure right now it's probably going to be like 118 over 65 a resting heart rate of 65 I am now

47:23

almost 69 years of age every organ functions as it's required I don't take

47:30

any medications I don't need to it's not that I'm against the medical system if

47:35

we're supplementing our body with healthy agents if we're using vitamin D

47:43

and not according to the prescription that Health Canada has given us where they say the maximum daily dose is 1,000

47:53

IUS what a joke if people were up to 30 to

47:58

40,000 there would be so many less knee Replacements their um immune system

48:04

would move ahead it's been over five years since I've had a flu or a cold and

48:10

I'm not anything special don't take me wrong when I say this it's proving to me

48:16

that if we're supplementing with and they don't have to be expensive supplements things like

48:22

vitamin D uh vitamin C in in good siiz

48:28

doses uh all the vitamins the minerals our body is in a protected State no

48:34

question and uh if everybody was living the way that I am right now not a

48:40

boast uh probably we would only require one tenth of the medical system that we

48:48

have today I think a really big point in order of that is that it takes significant personal responsibility to

48:54

take your own health into your hands and I think a lot of people are not ready for that I think that there is a lot of

49:01

wonderful people out there who can certainly help you along your way um yeah just using supplements and

49:08

and uh nutrition and exercising basically so many things that we've been told to do puts you in more puts your

49:16

body in more of a stress you know making you more immobile to you know move your body like all these things are super

49:22

connected and I think that really interesting point you make on the Spanish Flu and your grandmother my

49:29

mother your your mother your mother's mother went through that right it was my grandmother oh your grandmother right so yeah I mean if you if you didn't watch

49:37

the if you didn't watch the news and didn't see masks around you wouldn't have I don't think anyone would think

49:42

anything was going on I'm really convinced of that and if you're able to put emotion to the side and look at

49:49

the last 12 months I think you can really see a picture of kind of what we've just been speaking about for the

49:54

last 50 minutes that there is definitely a connection with our media putting out

50:00

what information we are allowed to see and health Canada's response and our government's response and the

50:06

pharmaceutical connection to that like you you can't not look at that and raise some questions you have to be so

50:13

gullible to think that all of this is in your best interest and uh I just hope

50:18

people are able to maybe take a step back because Shan now Shan Buckley said something really interesting to me that

50:24

our rights and our freedoms and our liberties that millions of people died for will mean nothing if we don't fight

50:30

for them exactly and there's no question that it's a movement to take away the

50:35

Liberties and the freedoms of all people all across the world this is taking

50:41

place but look at the nonsense uh we went out for lunch today as we came to visit with you and uh you note that

50:50

people are sitting at tables in the restaurant without masks on but as soon

50:55

as they get up they have to put their mask on what does Co not come to tables

51:01

is is that what the thing is here I mean you're right we have to open our eyes and start to think about this and not

51:08

just be drawn into it it's a trap there's a scripture that I'm reminded of

51:13

in Luke 21 where the Lord warned us in this last days that there would be a

51:19

snare a snare which is a trap that would come upon all those that dwell upon the

51:25

face of the Earth welcome to that trap and that's exactly what it is and it's our body and you're

51:33

absolutely right a true hope we teach people to take power over their lives

51:41

they're responsible for their life not the medical practitioner they're the ones that are ill and they're the ones

51:48

that are responsible to make that change and yes we provide lots of support in doing that but ultimately it comes down

51:56

to the individual and we can choose to be happy we can choose to be healthy or

52:02

we can choose to go along and suffer as a result of that yeah so many people

52:09

wait for trauma or crisis or disease before they really take action and try

52:14

and reflect on themselves and then do something about it and usually that's something they physically experience

52:20

whether that's in their body or their mind but you just have to look around you right now we are in a crisis we we

52:26

are witnessing trauma around us deep psychological trauma so this is a time

52:31

if if there ever was a great time to do it now is the time to look within

52:36

absolutely using using losing your faith is a really important part of that and that can really Propel you to make some

52:44

maybe different decisions and take your health into your own hands and you know take responsibility over what's happening in your life

52:52

exactly wow awesome um just to finish up how can people connect with you cuz I

52:58

know you do a lot of speaking you you know you do a lot of speaking around the world and I think it's um important that

53:04

people have like further questions for you is is there a place people can do that yeah they can go to Tru hope.com we

53:10

can make a connection there and I can talk to them if they'd like to visit it's hard to talk to everybody because

53:17

uh I have thousands and thousands of followers but that's okay and it's not

53:22

about me by the way it's not about me being anything special I just happen to

53:27

be in the wrong place at the right time that's how I say it and I'm grateful to

53:34

God I'm grateful to the people who have carried us because we have many supporters out there and we've been

53:39

through some real narrow Canyons we really have but we've been very blessed

53:45

because of the support that we've received from from people and so that's what it's about it's about I always like

53:52

to uh talk about U the the three the three uh C's that we find in well for

54:01

instance if we look at the 36 medical journal Publications and you were to throw those into a pot and boil it down

54:08

like a chicken there's three se's that come out of there and those commonalities are calm coping and

54:16

Clarity and that's what this product does and power plus it really does so

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it's about the three C's and it's about Hope and healing and health and uh

54:27

nothing more and nothing less so it's been a wonderful experience and we've we've seen a lot of wonderful things

54:33

we've been through some real difficulties but I would just say to people hold on just bear down and and

54:41

have faith in God and continue your thrust don't give in for anybody in that

54:47

sense have faith and be strong and have hope in your heart and we'll make it

54:53

through all of these things we really will and and um so I wish you the very best thank you beautiful Tony thank you

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so much I really appreciate your time today com to talk with us thank you so much um for more information um about

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thank you so much for listening everybody this is true Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada we will see you next week

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