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i I grew up in a culture where um doctors are always right and so going to

0:09

a doctor to fix my problem um was just I mean that's just what you

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do and the doctors know everything and they're going to help and so it really

0:22

for when a doctor couldn't find anything that was there was no blood test that

0:28

that could figure out what I needed and how to fix my problem um what I look

0:34

back on now is how when we rely on or overly rely for

0:42

chronic illness on a doctor that's going to fix it a therapy that's going to fix

0:48

it a certain medication um looking for something to fix our

0:56

chronic issues chronic symptoms then it actually triggers our fear response

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it it brings on a feeling of powerlessness

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joined by the remarkable Lorie Clemens a wellness coach chronic illness survivor and author of Rewire Your Wellness a

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holistic guide to healing chronic pain anxiety and fatigue after living with chronic illness for over 25 years Lori

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2:34

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truehopcanada.com enjoy the show all right hi Lori welcome to True Hope Cast

3:03

thank you so much for being with us today how are you what is going well i am doing well so much is going well i

3:10

live in Northern California we're having beautiful spring weather right now so that's always nice yeah we're recording

3:17

this the middle of April and it's such an unbelievable time when the sun's out

3:23

a little bit more it's 6:30 and the sun's up and it's a lot easier to get out of bed when I've got two small kids

3:30

so it makes it so much easier to be able to do that and yeah it's like kind of life begins in April I guess feels like

3:38

it and the flowers and the animals it's just great yeah it's a pretty special time of the year so I'm glad that we're

3:44

able to connect um right now when we're both feeling great because the weather's awesome that's wonderful today we're

3:50

going to be discussing healing the unseen understanding the lyic systems

3:55

role in transforming health but before we jump into that topic where we're

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going to go in all sorts of directions I'm sure because it's such a fascinating idea um can you just introduce yourself

4:06

a little bit tell us a bit little bit more about who you are and what it is that you do um my name is Lori Clemens i

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am a wellness coach and I work with people who are um struggling with

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chronic illness uh chronic fatigue pain anxiety um through one-on-one coaching as well

4:26

as group coaching courses beautiful and I'm sorry i'm also an

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author i have a book called Rewire Your Wellness where we go deeper into some of these topics

4:38

beautiful and we're certainly going to talk about your book as well um so just to kick things off I know that you've

4:44

got a personal journey through chronic illness which you know just reviewing

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your website quite briefly it looks like a quite amazing powerful story so I wonder if you could share kind of the

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turning point when you began to understand the role of the lyic system the work that you you are so passionate

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about now and um how that played into your symptoms and how and know how understanding that changed a lot for you

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yes thank you for asking um I had actually been dealing with chronic

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illness for 27 years um it just came out of the blue chronic fatigue syndrome um

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the pain fibromyalgia uh Lyme disease mold illness food

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sensitivities environmental sensitivities um lupus and just so many um symptoms

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and diagnosis and different times during those 27 years i was um homebound for

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quite a few of those years and as well as bedbound for about a year and a half during that time I had seen so many

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doctors and tried so many different medications and supplements and um

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treatments and had a few you know ups and downs here and there but nothing was

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really working and so I finally I discovered self-directed

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neuroplasticity which is a focus on how the nervous system can get stuck in

6:17

these patterns that just continue so even though the original issue may be

6:23

long gone the body is stuck in these patterns of pain and fatigue and

6:28

symptoms and the beautiful thing is we have the ability to rewire those old patterns so once I started working with

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self-directed neuroplasticity um within about 9 to 10 months I ran my

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very first ever 5K and it really reclaimed my life back

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it was just amazing wow well I've I've got a bunch of questions first of all just to lay some

6:54

kind of foundation for some people for our listeners like what's self-directed neuroplasticity and I'd love to know who

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or what um express themselves into your life to

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be able to be like oh like wow this is this is this is something because I think if you were to say some of those

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words to a lot of people first of all they wouldn't understand them and it sounds like you know you've gone through

7:19

you've had so many diagnosis I can only imagine the amount of doctors and specialists that you would have gone to

7:24

see it sounds like there was just like a a whole immune system kind of like shut down engagement with your nervous system

7:31

as well like so much happening so what h like who what do you read who do you see

7:36

like what's the what's the the book or the something that makes you that introduces self-directed neuroplasticity

7:43

to you so self-directed neuroplasticity is I mean think about when we when we

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learn anything it's difficult at first think about learning to drive every li I mean it's really

7:57

difficult you got to coordinate the the driving the feet and the gas and the brake but over time we learn our body

8:06

learns these patterns to where now we can drive we can be talking to someone

8:12

eating something and be able to our body just knows how to do it because we've

8:19

practiced it for so long and the same thing can happen when it comes to

8:24

illness patterns waking up tired every morning can become that wired in pattern

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to where the body just does it and the beautiful thing about it is that we can

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change those old patterns we can learn new patterns through our intention so

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selfdirected our ability then to to create these new patterns so um you know

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it's it's it's a relatively new field it used to be that that um it was believed

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that only children could learn things in that way but over the past about 30

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years now we're starting to see how much that we have control over our own

9:10

learning our own wiring in our brains and this includes a lot of work um from

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so many people out there and interesting some of it can come through some of our

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ancient spiritual practices about how we learn to guide our thoughts and our

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thinking what we focus on um people like Rick Hansen Daniel Ammon um people who

9:35

really work with the brain and how that impacts our body for me it actually was

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interesting how I came about it was because I had been I had been sick for so long my youngest daughter graduated

9:49

from high school so I started thinking okay what's next in my life and I

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realized that you know I I just needed to find something I enjoyed you know

10:02

again I had been homebound at that point and I started thinking you know I I can

10:07

maybe try and get out for a walk that would feel good to me so I started walking even just a few doors down i

10:15

started focusing on instead of the symptoms instead of the problems and the

10:20

issues what brings me joy today what can I be grateful for today and then really looking into

10:28

things like the power of gratitude and how it rewires the brain um and that was

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really just my turning point right there and then being able to dive a little bit more into some of these brain rewiring

10:42

practices amazing and as you mentioned there's so many people out there so many books so

10:47

many resources that if anyone wants to have a like an introduction to neuroplasticity and the power of it

10:53

there's hundreds or probably guessing thousands of podcast episodes out there with incredible experts from all all

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different fields that are recognizing that we are absolutely we're not rigid we're not bound by even our genetics in

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many cases we can do amazing incredible things we can learn phenomenal things and I I'd love to just get your opinion

11:13

in regards to your experience with you know having a chronic having multiple chronic illnesses and then having to go

11:20

through you know kind of the conventional system and how and how did that how did that go for you because in

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my in my experience in my opinion I think that um alipathic medicine has absolutely got a place especially when

11:32

it comes to like emergency care but I don't know anybody that's had anything

11:38

uh had any like real proper recovery when it comes to like a chronic disease

11:43

or a chronic illness that they've suffered with for years and sometimes decades um what was your experience with

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that yeah um you know and and for me it was I I grew up in a

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culture where um doctors are always right and so going to a doctor to fix my

12:08

problem um was just I mean that's just what you do and the doctors know everything and

12:16

they're going to help and so it really for when a doctor couldn't find anything

12:23

that was there was no blood test that that could figure out what I needed and how to fix my problem um what I look

12:32

back on now is how when we rely on or overly rely for

12:39

chronic illness on a doctor that's going to fix it a therapy that's going to fix

12:46

it a certain medication um looking for something to fix our

12:53

chronic issues chronic symptoms then it actually triggers our fear response

13:00

it it brings on a feeling of powerlessness of not being able to

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um handle the things that are going on around us and it really triggers fear um and and you know so many of the

13:15

different therapies and doctors can be so fear-based you have to eat like this

13:22

you have to take this medication you can't do this you can't do that and it

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can really trigger that fight orflight response and create more stress which

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then makes it more difficult for our body to be able to have the energy and

13:39

resources to actually heal so we can it's very easy to get stuck in this stress cycle when we're in those

13:47

situations of frequenting lots of doctors to try and fix what it is that

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we're dealing with yeah I think the word powerless stood out for me massively in in your response

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there i think that when we look to a doctor to fix us or to for a

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medication to fix us I feel like we are expecting that healing that treatment to

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come from something outside of us and I think that we've we've certainly been let's just say programmed that way to

14:19

that's kind of that the way it goes something's wrong with me I go to the doctor and they're going to give me something to fix it but that there's a

14:25

very strange power dynamic in that and you said you you also use the word fear which is very interesting and I think

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that once it sounds like you absolutely experience experienced this on your journey I know I have as well but when

14:38

you actually internalize that power and start using it for your for yourself and

14:43

you're practicing and experiencing the emotional states of joy gratitude love

14:49

happiness etc your body can literally rewire and begin to you know manifest

14:56

healing the opposite of you know let's say fear and illness and I think that

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when we actually can grasp the healing process ourselves and kind of take a lot more responsibility

15:08

rather than giving it to somebody in a white coat I think that is a big um starting point for a lot of people

15:16

because chronic illness in many ways it can take a long period of time to happen many different things whether it's toxic

15:23

exposure stress trauma significant nutrient deficiency eventually at some

15:28

point the body's not going to be able to keep up with let's just call it that negative frequency from all those different

15:34

aspects and we kind of expect to be healed with a conversation with a doctor

15:41

or a drug or a therapy relatively quickly in you know relevance to the years it's took took us to get into that

15:47

position so I think when we can take responsibility and recognize that okay I'm in this journey now of healing this

15:53

is what I want to do this is where I want to be and I'm being in the present moment recognizing that it's not going

15:59

to happen overnight it's going to take time it's going to take work it's going to take effort i think that's when

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people really jump onto their healing journey and it's it's not everyone that actually is able to recognize that they

16:13

do have that power within them because we've kind of been programmed that we need somebody else to sort it out for us

16:20

yeah and and recognizing that there are tools out there to support us in our

16:27

healing journey which is very it's that's a very different feeling than the

16:33

fear of I have to have those things so when we look at um whether it is a a

16:41

medical professional a treatment a medication whatever it is this is

16:46

supporting my body's work in healing and recovery and

16:52

regenerating that's a very empowering feeling as opposed to the powerlessness

16:58

of handing that over to someone else beautiful yeah well I think that was a wonderful introduction kind of sets

17:05

things up a little bit um so really I really appreciate you sharing sharing that and I'm sure the uh that story and

17:11

that tale is all in your book as well so I'll obviously make sure that that's linked in and we'll talk about that a

17:17

little bit more in the uh in the show but for those listeners who are not too

17:22

familiar with what exactly the lic system is um and why is it such and why

17:29

it's such a you know central player in chronic illness and healing would you mind kind of giving us a little bit of a

17:34

an introduction to that yeah our our lyic system is a part of our nervous system and it's that part of

17:42

our nervous system that is constantly on the lookout for keeping us safe looking

17:48

for things that are dangerous um so think of it as if you are driving along

17:57

and someone runs a stop sign and is in front of you your lyic system jumps in

18:05

quickly you don't even have to think about it that lyic system jumps in hits

18:10

the brakes and keeps you safe so our lyic system is a very important part of

18:17

the way our body functions um and so when we have um a lot of a lot of

18:27

chronic illness that may have gone on or even like Simon what you were talking about exposures to toxins or so many

18:35

different things can trigger that lyic system and it's it's not something that

18:41

we control so it's not our fault when it happens but it can get stuck triggered

18:50

on and so when it does that we're constantly stuck in a cycle of stress of

18:56

looking out for more things that could be dangerous um a common thing that can

19:02

happen is that perhaps for whatever reason we might have a food reaction and

19:08

so that lyic system in an effort to keep us safe might start oh if that one food

19:15

was was not safe maybe this other one's not safe either or this one or this one

19:21

and so it becomes more and more reactive again in that effort to keep us

19:28

safe kind of like a smoke alarm that goes off not only when there's a fire

19:34

but maybe it goes off when you burn the toast and then it gets even more sensitive and starts going off when you

19:40

even turn on the stove and so again it's it's the way that our body keeps us safe

19:48

we don't need it that much anymore but in in prior cultures think about if you

19:54

were out hunting for a meal um and a lion was wrestling in the bushes you

20:00

would want your lyic system to be on guard for that now we don't need it so much but it's so

20:08

easy to get stuck in it because it's still a part of us even though our culture has changed

20:15

yeah that's I think the cultural aspect is very very important because yeah I think a lot of us kind of forget that

20:21

you know our human bodies have been designed to do to live in a very different environment and our culture

20:28

has evolved significantly more than our biology has and we have to kind of understand that a little bit more

20:34

especially when it comes to stress and our trauma response i

20:39

think that's a very big part of the I guess healing educational piece is being able to kind of like understand that and

20:46

be a little bit empa empathetic and kinder to yourself to recognize this is actually

20:51

just my biology doing it its thing but it's just maybe like not wire not wired quite correctly right now because yeah

20:59

I'm not uh needing to be freaked out for lions in the bushes so much anymore so

21:04

yeah it's it's a super super interesting amazing pathway that's you know millions of years of evolution it's very very

21:10

fascinating um and you often talk about within your content the unseen roots of

21:17

illness and I'd love to know like how do emotional trauma stress or past

21:22

experiences get actually wired into our nervous system and then manifest as

21:28

physical symptoms i think that's an interesting phenomena yeah um you know we are the culmination

21:37

of a lifetime of behaviors emotions thoughts

21:45

experiences and our brain wires those things so um we learn so much in our

21:53

early years uh through the people around us who model uh whether life is safe

22:01

whether life is not safe um as children we pick that up we pick up the messages

22:07

from our culture um we need to look a certain way we need to behave a certain

22:13

way we need to be a certain way and those messages can get into our lyic

22:19

system a and create emotional patterns um emotional patterns of fear of anxiety

22:28

um or emotional patterns of confidence and belonging and

22:34

connection and so not only as a child but as we go through life all of our

22:41

experiences are communicating with our nervous system whether we're safe or not

22:48

and so when we come into a new situation we bring those experiences with us and

22:54

so quite often we don't even we don't we're not even aware of maybe our

23:00

thought patterns going on beneath the surface our emotions going on beneath the surface but yet those are all with

23:07

us throughout our day and so um we can

23:13

be stuck in these old patterns without even knowing it and then we can just keep wiring them deeper and deeper and

23:20

deeper whether it's fear or whether it's confidence and so when those emotions

23:27

are stuck like that um it can keep that lyic system triggered and when that lyic

23:34

system is triggered our body actually goes through physical changes the lyic

23:40

system causes the release of stress chemicals like cortisol and adrenaline and when those chemicals are

23:48

running in our body and our body is focused on fighting or

23:53

fleeing then we don't have the ability for our body to send energy toward

24:00

healing and recovery and so then that can just keep those

24:07

chronic health challenges going absolutely yeah you you you reminded me of a book my my kids have got and um if

24:17

it's basically about this little girl in her family they live in that she's born and lives in a in a in a wartorrn city

24:24

and she doesn't leave there till she's seven years old and her body and her

24:30

brain and her whole her whole physical being doesn't understand anything other than stress trauma fear scarcity so her

24:39

biology her nervous system has evolved to live in those surroundings primarily

24:45

as a survival mechanism right and then she moves to a completely safe normal

24:52

environment and even the the loud noises of the car or even the experience of

24:57

like Halloween and people dressing up as ghosts and skeletons trigger significant responses within this little

25:04

girl and she doesn't understand that this is a safe place because she's got no reference for that whatsoever but

25:11

over time in that safer environment things change

25:17

for is changing you know every the neuroplasticity piece that we talked about you know adapting to that new

25:24

environment it's just yeah it's just a a very very simple example I guess of how

25:30

that you can change our brains we can change change our nervous systems and we can change from you know waking up every

25:36

day in a completely stressed state to Yeah the opposite of that yeah and and

25:44

even you know few years back we went through co even having a week two weeks

25:51

of oh no this is scary how bad is it going to be um that can trigger that

25:57

lyic system and if we're not able to work through it at that point it can

26:03

stay triggered to where then it that lyic system stays on guard um really

26:10

draining our energy draining our ability to be able to heal yeah and I think a

26:16

lot of people are probably still let's just say suffering the symptoms of those

26:21

crazy years and even we can look back at significant traumas that have happened

26:27

whether that's a natural disaster for for example like 9/11 there are there

26:33

are people that suffer for years and years after that and it's it's an interesting piece so the our our

26:38

flagship product here at TR Hope Canada is a broadspectctrum micronutrient formula 36 ingredients and it's got 35

26:44

peer-reviewed medical journals to its name and a couple of those um papers were done in Christurch New

26:51

Zealand all all on PTSD and how people respond post earthquake whether they're

26:58

going to be on the supplement or off it in the in the in the placebo section and it's and what we found in the what not

27:04

what we found but what was found by the researchers in in these in these trials is that people who were consuming good

27:11

quality nutrition were able to re-calibrate their nervous system

27:16

significantly quicker than those people whose bodies were in significant lack

27:23

because they were still in that stress state and if you're unable to provide your body with the necessary ingredients it needs to do all of its amazing

27:29

functions and then you throw an earthquake on top of it it's going be very difficult for people to kind of come out of that so yeah that's just an

27:36

interesting piece because I would love to talk a little bit about your experience with um with micronutrients

27:41

and nutrition and supplementation and how that supports the nervous system

27:46

especially the the limbic part of the brain if you wouldn't mind yeah and again it it really comes down to how

27:54

we're looking at that external um you know I know early early in my

28:01

journey I went through a lot of different diets and supplementation and

28:06

just trying everything out there but it was from a place of fear and so really

28:13

all of that all of that was doing was reinforcing to my lyic system the

28:19

world's not safe we got to find the answer and so nothing was really working

28:25

um when I did start working with my lyic system and started viewing my

28:32

relationship with the world around me from a place of I am able to find

28:37

support for my healing i have choices um being able to view my diet and any

28:45

supplements that I take from a place of self-care

28:50

um rather than fear um I was able to make better choices and I I absolutely

28:57

do um watch what I eat in the sense of is

29:03

this going to support my body in what I'm doing right now um being able to

29:09

exercise being able to whatever I do see it from a place of how can I support how

29:16

can I support my emotional wellness my physical wellness my mental wellness and

29:21

then my relational wellness again from that place of having choice having power

29:28

as opposed to the old fear-based I have to do this it's it's I have to rely on

29:35

things outside of me to fix my problem so huge huge way i think the mindset

29:41

that we come into these things with is um is huge

29:46

yeah amazing point especially about like the you know when people are looking to

29:52

either find a diet or find a supplement that's going to you know fix their problem there's certainly yeah there's

29:59

there's there's scarcity around that there's fear wrapped around that and when your body is in that state your

30:05

digestive system is in no state whatsoever to absorb nutrients and you

30:11

know provide the rest of your body with you know good quality ingredients to help you thrive and heal so yeah and we

30:18

see so many people what what's kind of different with empower plus our our primary product here is that we've put

30:24

it in such bioavailable forms and we've chated our minerals in such a fact that you could actually have a very um poor

30:31

stressed out digestive tract for example and you're still going to be able to absorb the nutrition so a lot of people

30:37

we we experience are able to actually even in stressed states whether they've

30:43

gone post earthquake or they've suffered a loss or that that they've had chronic illness for many many years they're

30:49

actually able actually able to use our product to obtain the right types of

30:54

nutrition to be able to begin their kind of healing journey we're not we don't think that this product is like the one

31:01

thing that you absolutely need but if you're able to actually create space and create um a place where you're able to

31:07

actually start thinking about you know what's going on in your psychology and your physical body can you actually go

31:13

out and like start cooking good meals or making better food choices or exercising or do all these other thing things that

31:19

are very important for for your mental health if you're able to actually help people get there um with good quality

31:25

nutrition so they're able to produce the right neurotransmitters and they can get energy into their cells to maybe clear

31:32

the brain fog that they may be feeling or the dark depression then it just gives people that little bit of an extra

31:37

so they can start taking those other extra steps that we know that we need in order to you know help ourselves thrive

31:43

and begin thinking about healing yeah and and healing isn't about just

31:49

one thing it's not just about fix my physical body because we're so much more

31:55

than that and um one of the reasons I wrote my book is because it's not we're

32:01

not just our emotions we're not just our thoughts we're not just our body we are

32:07

so much more than that and healing is about yes the lyic system dealing with

32:15

emotions helping to find calm and peace so the body can recover it's also about

32:22

physical wellness in the sense of um loving our body caring for our body um

32:30

taking care of it through healthy movement healthy food making those types

32:36

of choices um supporting the body in the healing work that it's doing it's also

32:42

about our thoughts i mean our thoughts can trigger our lyic system think about

32:48

going to a a movie whether it's a a um a

32:54

disaster movie a super superhero movie or a

32:59

romcom it's not real it's all in our thoughts but yet we feel that emotion

33:06

and it's the same way with really learning how to guide and manage our

33:11

thoughts because that impacts our lyic system impacts our body as well and then

33:18

also just our relational wellness how we relate to the outside world whether

33:24

that's through relationship with with nature with um healthy relationships

33:30

healthy boundaries with the people around us um and then a a healthy

33:35

relationship with God or higher power um universe whatever that means for you so

33:41

all of those things come together to um create um just an overall wellness we

33:49

can't pull one out separate because it impacts all all those areas of our

33:54

wellness yeah wonderful i I think that when we spoke about it earlier in regards

34:00

to our culture has evolved way beyond our biology at this point and I think

34:05

that we have massively lost a spiritual aspect within our within ourselves and within

34:12

our communities and I think that's like a I think it's a sixth sense that we've kind of always had that we've kind of

34:17

lost which is you know a sense that it's an absolute miracle and a gift that

34:23

we're even here that we're sitting on this floating rock which is traveling and you know spinning around at absurd

34:29

speeds in the middle of space like I can only imagine you know a thousand years

34:35

ago is when you look up to the stars when there was no light pollution what people would have seen

34:40

and what awe they would have had and what spiritual connection they would have had of something so much bigger than themselves and they would have had

34:46

to have lived kind of like more outside of their body and know that they were connected to something that they couldn't even possibly even begin to

34:53

explain and then they start creating stories of the stars and the gods and all these amazing things to just try and

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make some sort of sense of it because it would have been such an amazing thing and I think yeah we've absolutely um

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gone a little bit backwards in regards to our connection to spirituality whether that's to a partic particular

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religion or whatever that might be for somebody but I think when it comes to spirituality I think that we not only

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does it connect you a lot better to yourself and you connect your mind and your body a little bit better but also

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connects you with other human beings which is you know without question a massive vitamin that we absolutely need

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you know we need obviously need the all the necessary nutrients within our food but we need like vitamin N which is like

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nature we need vitamin C community I think that's very very important piece

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that's absolutely missing because I think I think human beings are quite wonderful things and when we've got a

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culture that's kind of driven by screens and driven by stress and busyness it

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could be very difficult to actually um find the time to sit with somebody look them in the eye and just like be present

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and be with them and I think when some people actually do that it can be a big healing moment for them i know that when

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I started practicing when I started practicing nutrition I think like nine years ago the biggest thing I noticed

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right away was people were able to actually feel like they were being

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listened to most of the people who I started to work with had been going to the doctors for like 15 20 years and

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they would have these weekly seven eight minute appointments where they were quick in and quick out and they couldn't

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really like dive deep into it but like my initial consult was like two hours long and I was just asking questions and

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listening and listening and listening and then I would ask people at the end of it like you know so how how was this for you people would just be like I

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don't think anyone's listened to me in 20 years and I and and it was just like a big like nervous system let down

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they're able to just like let go of these things and you know people are super busy even people's partners people's best friends you know

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everyone's got stuff going on so it can be quite challenging these days to just stop being in the present moment and and

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be with somebody so yeah I just yeah I think that spiritual aspect that you were talking about I think that is

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absolutely nec it's is nec massively necessary in somebody's healing journey

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and there are many ways in which you can channel that spiritual element in your life well and and looking back from an

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evolutionary perspective our nervous systems evolved and were created in

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community as being safe so you know it used to be that we needed to have tribes

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and clans and groups that lived together in order to survive and so our safety

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was wrapped up in being part of a community isolation was would have meant death and

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so now in our current culture we're so much more isolated and so we really need

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to have those healthy relationships and those healthy connections for our lyic

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system to be able to feel safe and to relax and let down

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um sometimes we can feel like we have connection whether it's through screen

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time or you know just these other ways that but that really doesn't meet the needs of our lyic system to be able to

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feel safe and and we pick up the um the

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emotions of the people around us again a survival strategy of our nervous system

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because if the whole group is fearful and on guard we better be fearful and on guard as well um if the whole if the

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whole tribe is calm and at peace then okay I can be calm and at peace now um

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but when we are around other people who are also stressed which it's very common

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in our cultures now a lot of us are stressed that then we pick up more of

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that stress and we just keep feeding it and it just keeps multiplying rather than being able to

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have those healthy boundaries and to be able to maintain our own peace and calm

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beautiful well said love it um what do you think what are some

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practical accessible tools or maybe daily habits that someone can use to begin kind of calming an overactive lyic

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system even if they're still in kind of the thick of their chronic symptoms yeah and that's just such a great

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question you know um when we've been in and I and I remember this when we've

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been in this place of um that limbic trigger we usually don't even realize

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that we're in it because it's become so natural it's just become our our baseline and so when we try and slow

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down and be calm it can feel really uncomfortable at first um but really

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some of those first steps are going to be take a few minutes to slow down and

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take some breaths um take some time to sit in nature or to walk in nature

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turning off devices and just having some time to breathe and listen to what's

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going on internally and that can feel really uncomfortable because again

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culturally we've not been taught to deal with emotions or thoughts um in a way

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that can always be productive and especially if we have some things that have have been um kind of backed up in

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there um can feel uncomfortable so really taking time every day to just check in with ourselves how am I doing

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emotionally today and we can slow down and some things might come up how am I

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doing physically today you know I really just need to get some movement i a

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really good meal would feel really good to me right now being able to how am I

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doing mentally what are the thoughts that are are floating around in my head what is my self-t talk like right now

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and then just relationally um how how are my relationships how how

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is my relationship with God or spirit um how is my relationship with the world

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around me right now all of those things um and and and you know it doesn't need

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to be an hour it can be 2 minutes at first these small baby steps taken

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consistently really add up when we say these big I'm going to do an hour

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meditation a day it can be overwhelming and and then we can shut down when we

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take small gentle steps then we can build that presence and build the

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ability to process these things so that we can bring the lyic system down and

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really this whole process it's more like the the old tortoise and the hair be the

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tortoise not the hair take the small gentle steps to take care of oursel uh

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bringing down that lyic system being present rather than those big ones that

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can lead to burnout beautiful that was wonderful i think there's so many things that people can

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take from it and I think yes starting small and starting simple is without question the the best way to go and there's so many wonderful tools to be

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able to to start reconnecting and becoming a little bit more internal with your thought process connecting your

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mind and body checking in i think that can go seriously long way to beginning

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that journey of healing which is you know we're all on and it's not a steady linear path that you know it's going to

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go ups and downs but it's you know it's it's a journey and it's could be powerful to be on that and take responsibility for it for yourself

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beautiful but before we sign off can you just tell us a little bit about your book um who's it for why did you write

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it and where can people get it so yeah my book Rewire Your Wellness um

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we I really go into um these different areas of emotional wellness physical

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wellness mental wellness um and relational wellness and how they all

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work together um to help us to be able to deal with

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really the world around us and what's going on around us um we can get stuck in these patterns of chronic illness

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chronic symptoms when we can you know look at all those different areas and um

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meet our meet our body's needs then we are we have the ability to be able to um

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heal so many different things uh and to even beyond healing the things being

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able to live a life that is full of connection and joy and calm and so being

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able to better guide the life that we want to be able to lead one of the uh

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one of the the things that I learned through my process is that we are not

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our emotions we're not our thoughts we're not our our body we're not what

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other people see in us um but that we are sometimes it's called our higher

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self um sometimes our our mindful self that part of us that is able to make

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choices we have values we have the ability to create the direction that we

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want to go in our life so those other areas don't need to lead us but we can

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guide the direction that we want to be able to take so we have more power than we think that we do

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beautiful and if someone wanted to grab the book or learn more about your work where would they go it's available

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worldwide on Amazon um as well as in um some of the bigger um in-person

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retailers as well but definitely on online on Amazon beautiful well I will

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make sure there's a link to Amazon on there in the show notes as well as um to your website as well but I just want to

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thank you so much for coming on to the show i learned a lot this was a really fun conversation we could have could have spoken so much more about so many

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different aspects but I think we kind of wrapped it up beautifully with an introduction of the lyic system i think

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that we um shared many tools and tips in regards to what people can do right now

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as well as like helping people maybe retrospectively look about how and why we are in certain situations so I think

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it's been a no for me anyway i've enjoyed it it's been fun what about you

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i have as well i really appreciate just the the con great conversation thank you so much beautiful Lori well thank you so

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much again um that is it for this episode of the True Hope Cast the official podcast with True Hope Canada

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i'll make sure that there are links to Lor's book and her amazing website in the show notes so you can connect with

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there and I'm sure she's super open to questions and I know that she's got a free call option as well that you can

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schedule on her website so certainly jump on that opportunity to chat with Lori because it's been wonderful just

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chatting about her work and and conversing here but that is it for this week um don't forget to subscribe if you

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