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hello and welcome to True Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada where we take a deep dive into mental

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Health's many physiological and psychological aspects this is the show for you if you're looking for motivation

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inspiration knowledge and solutions and that's what we're all about here at trueu Hope Canada and trueu hope Canada is a mind and body based supplement

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company dedicated first and foremost to promoting brain and body Health through non-invasive nutritional means for more

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information about us you can visit trop canada.com today I welcome John Graham to the podcast now John is a certified

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master trainer speaker and fitness professional with 15 years experience in the industry his personal journey

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through training and competition Expos him to injuries fueling his quest for optimized injury prevention and Recovery

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methods during this Pursuit he discovered the remarkable benefits of red light therapy while recovering from

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a knee injury this led to the creation of lumaflex a game-changing flexible

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portable and waterproof panel providing convenient and efficient red light therapy treatment for individuals in

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including athletes today we're going to be discussing red light therapy and its healing potential enjoy the

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show okay all right John welcome to True Hope cast thank you so much for joining me today how are you and what's going

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well thank you I really appreciate the opportunity to share the true hope

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podcast is obviously um uh it's got a lot of followers it's got a lot a good audience that's trust that you built

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with your community and I appreciate being able to access that community and talk about myself Story how I Came Upon

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light therapy and and lumaflex so yeah many many thanks we got a beautiful day in Miami lately there's been some rain

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something very signature of Florida is like there's really heavy almost like Monsoon like rain and then it'll switch

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and then the Sun comes out and everyone rushes to the beach and tries to get their tan it's really yeah it's a it's a

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great place Miami wonderful lovely well um we're going to be discussing red

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light therapy today and its um contribution towards healing the human body and just as a kickoff I

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wonder if you wouldn't mind just sharing a little bit more about who you are and what it is that you do so um so John

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Graham Harper where does the story begin um I guess it starts in my early

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years 11 11 12 13 around this age when I was very thin um I was a skinny boy

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wasn't so good at sports and I wasn't very confident so I wanted to build that confidence and get um and obviously get

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a lot of validation for who I was and where you know you know my place on the planet so I went to the gym started

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training getting um putting on that muscle muscle is kind of like it's like armor right it's like you know you're

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building confidence and then I went deep into the fitness industry um I started opening gyms I was a competitive athlete

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for many years but um throughout that time as a competitive athlete I was riddled with a lot of injuries and

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through the those injuries I found red light therapy and it was actually introduced to be by my wife

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um um and um it had I had an amazing response to it I was healed it triggered

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my sort of Interest as to what red light therapy was so I went down the rabbit hole of of light therapy and learned so

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much and so and learned enough to where I thought that the world was missing a

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product that was more suited to someone like me that was active that was on the go that was moving and um yeah and

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that's the birth of lumaflex how um lumaflex came about but yeah C lumaflex

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is sort of the you know my personal pain story um as a competitive athlete and

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how I was relieved of pain how I was healed and I kind of put all of that

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energy and that inspiration into a product which which uh brought about lumaflex

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beautiful thank you so much for sharing that um just before we go into specifically maybe what red light

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therapy therapy is I was just saying we're just talking off there in regards to people's current understanding

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education about like what what light is what energy is what frequency is and I think a lot of people might remember

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from their biology class about how plants use light to you know track light

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within their leaves and using glucose and carbon dioxide they create energy they create glucose in order for them to

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to grow to reproduce to protect themselves you know it's quite incredibly beautiful biological process

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I think most people may be a little bit more aware of how plants use light but obviously we are exposed to all sorts of

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different light all of the time and I wonder if you wouldn't mind just kind of um explaining us on kind of like a

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foundational level about how the human body interacts with different types of light yeah so light light you got to

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think of light and the the messages that I always speak about light because it kind of can get a bit daunting when you have all the these you know um these

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scientists talk about it it ju it what happens is is you know the average person that can really benefit from

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understanding what light is and use red light um and all kinds of light will sort of disassociate themselves with

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that information they'll say oh it's you know this is for the scientists this is for the doctors you know I'm going to go you know this isn't for me but I keep it

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very very simple and you think of light as and think of the Sun as a multivitamin right and every different

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color of light is like a different has a different response on our bodies has a different you know reacts a different cellular function mechanism is different

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so red and infrared light um and is the more prominent um wavelengths of light

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that are used for healing um they're used for skin Rejuvenation to boost cagen in your skin that's where you see

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those LED masks right that are very popular now on Tik Tok um it's used for hair growth I'm sure you've seen um

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these helmets that you put on where you look like you're you know about to turn into Iron Man and it just it's just

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light that repairs the cells in your um your your head to be able to grow hair

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um it boosts to testosterone it boosts your body's natural SPF but where we really see benefit of light therapy and

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how it can really change the world is when we use it as a pain management solution so red and infrared light it

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comes from the sun it's from the Sun so you know a lot of people s of oh this is some pseudo science and I I don't know

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if I can trust this when they look at a device that has red and infrared light they think it's sort of it's it's something different and something weird

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it's not it's just from the sun it's from the Sun this is available to us um and the optimal time to get our red and

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infrared light is from at sunrise and sunset here in Miami we have really great sunrises and sunset so but and the

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nanometers of light during that time I mean red in Fred light it's available to us throughout the entire time of the day

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but also harmful rays of light are are prominent throughout the day which also don't have much benefit to your skin if

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you're exposed long term right but um sunrise sunset that's our red and

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infrared light that's our optimal time to get red and infrared light and that's when the light is at the right length to

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penetrate your skin and activate the mitochondria we're human beings we're made up of cells we're made up of billions of cells and you know the

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driver the um uh the engine right the PowerHouse of the cell is the mitochondria so the light is able to

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penetrate and activate that mitochondria and get your cell to do what it's supposed to do so when light the the

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reaction has these mechanisms occur when the light comes into that mitochondria

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so um we get enhanced blood circulation we get increased ATP and then we get

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anti-inflammation and anti-inflammation is where I really focus a lot of my My

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Talking and um my preaching about red light because and if if inflammation is

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sort of that's everything bad that happens to our body whether it be you know you're sore from a gym session or

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you've um you have a headache or you you know you have cancer it's inflammation and if we're able to supp you know

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access treatment that is natural and nonivasive from the sun right put into a

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device that is highly concentrated a highly concentrated dose of red and infrared light and we're able to

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decrease the body's inflammation that is something that I'm all I would I I hope

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everyone can readily try and use before they start using um you know drugs or

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looking at surgery or looking at more evasive means of treatment you know you have access to

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a natural means of treatment that you can potentially be healed of your ailments right your pain your

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inflammation so this is um this is where I see red light therapy being you know

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you know really making a big impact in the world and changing people's lives but um I yeah like but I like I said I

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want to make it very clear like it's not something to be to be scared about or to be you know um wary of it's from the Sun

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going outside and is the same we that's the same mechanism happens to to ourselves when we go outside and we

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enjoy sunlight you'll see a lot of um prominent doctors and biohackers and

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these and optimizers talk about the importance of just getting outside of being outside first thing in the morning

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10 minutes take a walk you know and allow your you know your eyes to access you know natural light and it's because

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of that the light is extremely valuable to us and I always tell people that you know it should take precedence over um

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you know clean water or healthy food regular exercise better sleep you should

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try to always make sure that you're getting your Light vitamins like I think probably what you know I should start

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saying is calling them light Vitamins because then it it kind of would has the right trigger in people's minds where

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they say oh yeah vitamins are healthy we need vitamins this we all already know but yeah that's that's sort of the you

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know how you can see light it's a vitamin it's a vitamin that's that's out there that you can access at any time

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throughout the day I think it's important for people to recog that you know um we we now have the technology

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and the ability to understand what frequency red light is emitting and then

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we're able to create technology to be able to mimic that right because you might not be able to have access to red

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light from the Sun every single day you might your schedule might not be able to pH facilitate that exactly so yeah being

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able to use a um research technology that's actually you know it's not um

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it's not an alternative red light light it's you know it's it's it's it's just exactly the same as it's coming from the

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Sun you know I've had a few conversations with people who can't quite wrap their head around the idea

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that we can actually create a piece of technology that's technically man-made and artificial but it's mimicking the

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same rays of light that's coming from from the sun because we you know just because we physically can't see it it's

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probably more difficult for people to understand but once you're able to do that then you're able to actually at any

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kind of point in time time whether you are wanting to like increase your exposure to the

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Sun or you're looking to reduce inflammation and sort out and help out your pain you're technically with a

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piece of technology you're able to do that anytime in the anytime during the

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day and at kind of your convenience that's right exact I mean wow I think um

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I should have you as one of our spokes people and that's exactly right that's exactly right I mean

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there just the way people are right now right we're not in caveman times you know we are creatures of light we were

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born under the light we were you know we would wake up when the Sun rises and our Sarcan Rhythm would start and we would

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go to sleep when the sun sets and there was no blue light we didn't have TVs mobile phones computers we would have

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campfires right so our this is our telling our body to wind down so now that we're in concrete jungles you know

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if you think about your daily life if you really think about it you say I wake up you know I don't go and open my door

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and and put my head out and try to get the sunlight usually I turn on the light that's the first thing I do is

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artificial light I go I have my breakfast I do my thing I put on shoes so I'm not getting grounded right I'm G

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to get in my car I'm going to drive to work I get into an elevator I go into my CU cool you realize like I'm not

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accessing actually um much sunlight throughout the day right because then the sun's you know it's you know about 5

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six o'clock when people get off work they again they maybe they go to the gym or you know they go to a yoga studio or

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they go back home and they're not really like spending as much time out in the sun as we used to you know back in the

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day in Primal times when you know that was like we I mean I mean that's why obviously we were so healthy back then

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right but of course there's other things pollution our exposure there's so much EMS in the in the world right now

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there's all these things that are creating inflammation and we need to look at tools that are suited to our

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lifestyle to help us fight that inflammation to help us stay healthy right and and naturally stay healthy

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right there's a lot of um options obviously that big Pharma pushes out where you're able to just pop a pill and

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Magic will happen but you know these is you know that leads down a very very dark road so um yeah exactly like you

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said it's about convenience if you're able to have red and infrared light in your home right or use on the go that's

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where you know you can access the Your Light vitamins you know throughout the day as you need

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them yeah I think a lot of people might misunderstand the fact that know living in houses having these light bulbs

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everywhere is an incredibly unnatural state for our particular biological organism to be in so it'd be great to

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just recommend for everyone to be outside more but again not convenient a lot of people might do that for a couple

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of weeks with the motivation of making a new change but to do that in like a long-term sustainable fashion where we

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know well I think over the last four years if you don't know how important vitamin D is for you and

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vitamin D deficiency is a sign signif significant contributing factor to kind

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of all all cause mortality you know you've not really been paying attention in the last few

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years so that's just one incred incredibly important factor and again not everyone has got the ability to go

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and spend you know 30 minutes outside once or twice a day to capture the quite

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specific um sources of light that we actually need that you know that Sunrise that Sundown light which is so important

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for us not just for not just for vitamin D production but for know the ability to

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have our Arcadian rhythms in fact intact and to have our sleep on a on a good quality schedule like it's so um it's so

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unbelievably connected to kind of like everything about like being human being painfree and having the right amounts of

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energy Etc metabolism digestion all those things like come into play and I

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would love it if you just talk bit a little specifically about like how red light can actually reduce edce

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inflammation and decrease people's pain because so many people are suffering with inflammatory conditions and uh and

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pain in general yeah that's right it's so you got remember that the light actually doesn't heal you the light just

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gives your cells energy to do their job to actually heal you so your your CES are just healing themselves they're just

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lacking enough energy to do so if you've have chronic pain in your back right

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you've got arthritis you know or um you know in your in your elbow and your your

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body's fighting inflammation through throughout the whole day right you're you know you you think you're you're a healthy person but like you said you're

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not getting out out outside as much and you maybe you think that you're eating healthy or sleeping well but you

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probably aren't you just don't have enough energy to be able to address that chronic condition so by giving light to

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that area by giving your body um giving your body and um red light your body's

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inflammation drops and it now has the energy that is needed for it to heal itself so um like the device that I've

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got the the lumaflex let me grab okay here we go so the lumaflex as you can

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see you see that wow it looks quite good on the screen there doesn't so this is a this is the device

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that that I've created where it's a targeted panel that you can aim at the pain you can aim at that area where your

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cells need that energy to be able to um to recover to be able to heal and um you

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know it's something that I see a lot of you know doctors in photobiomodulation lots of scientists some of these

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scientists they've devoted their entire lives to the understanding of photobiomodulation and how the body

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reacts to light and they study it so so well and they're so passionate about um

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about communicating it and where I see them give a lot of amazing you know case

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studies and testimonials from people is from very from chronic pain it's just like pain that we that that basically

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nothing can fix that was once thought okay that's how you are that's the the situation you're in you know you just

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got to deal with it and after you know not even that long of a treatment like it usually what what I've seen you know

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for chronic pain people with with pain like you know since they're you know I I hurt my back back in the college days or

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you know when I was playing ball that that's sort of like 20 you know 10 20 year time you know when someone's been

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dealing with pain I've seen like two weeks to a month you know them finding relief and I've seen devices used that

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like aren't even aund of the power of mind that have actually brought about amazing um pain relief and it's all down

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to the diff the person it's all down to how they react to light they themselves as a healthy person are they are they

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you know well hydrated um are they Ju Just as their genetics even and it all

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is different different to every case a lot of people have asked me like what's the treatment time for this condition

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and this condition and this condition and it's always every you know photobiomodulation doctor will always

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give you sort of a rough amount of where you can start to see relief you know because it's based on every individual

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everybody's different um I always say like we as humans we have like a battery you think think of us as we have a

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battery inside us right and there's clinical research has shown that after

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about 20 minutes of a full dose of red light like if you're in a bed you know or if you have a large panel and you're

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able to get like a good 20 minute dose that usually like for the average human being it fills up that battery but

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everyone's battery depletes different everyone has inflammation that they're

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dealing with that is different and everyone is at different ages or their um you know everyone's different I mean

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that's the like I always say it's the greatest human resources are differences but it also just means that you can't

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really regulate a set protocol for everyone so everyone's battery will deplete at different time some people

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will need to do a TW minut TW like a 20- minute session every day you know to find relief of their chronic pain others

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will need to do it like twice a day or three times a day depending on what their body's dealing with but basically

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it's if you're looking at a full dose it's it's about 20 minutes kind of tops up your battery but you can imagine

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someone who's like you know is dealing with cancer um their you know their

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battery is going to deplete very quickly right so they're going to be thinking oh you know it didn't work it's just it

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just means that your body needs more energy like you there's a lot going on that you need to to solve that you need

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to fix and your body needs more energy so you can have another session of 20 minutes maybe even have a third session

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before going to bed and then let's do that for two weeks to a month and then we can look at you know where you stand

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with your pain what pain rating you are um I usually give you know people a chart one to 10 give me your pain rating

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at the beginning and then we say okay we're you know let's let's just keep an eye on this pain rating you know 1 to 10

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let's see how you feel after two weeks do four times a day you know if you need to you can go down to three or two um

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but what I but but like I said before I want to encourage everyone to use light therapy not just as you know even if

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you're painfree light is something you need just like you need you know clean water you need healthy food you know

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regular exercise and deep sleep you need light every day so when people transition from having a condition a

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pain condition and then they become painfree you know I always say keep using that light you know and I tell I

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tell them for the device you know even if it's a different device like it's a device that you have some you know some

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whatever device but my my device in particular I say it's good to be on the heart right it's a very important um you

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know organ in the body that you need to to that needs light you can put on the forehead right for your brain you can

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put on the your neck right for your spine and then you can put on your gut which is like your second brain so just

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talking about my device in particular and we can you know go into nanometers so my device I've got the LEDs here this

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is a dual chip so you mentioned earlier about different you know wavelengths of light So within red and infrared light

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there's it's a spectrum so the LEDs that are programmed into this led the two LEDs the the two nanometers are 630 for

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red light and then 850 for infrared light so these go into your body at

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different depths right red light doesn't go as deep so you can't really expect

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you know chronic pain relief with red light you need a deeper wavelength to go

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into the body to be able to get to the joints get to the you know the Deep Muscle so that's infrared light um so

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yeah so six six you know 630 that's that's where we see a lot of surface

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level um benefit you know like if you know if I I used to be a boxer and you know sometimes you get a little a little

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roughed up and sping and you get a little bit of a bruising you know that's you can red light can address that um

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again like for for women for their masks these Beauty masks you know to boost collagen um red light can help help

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produce collagen in your skin but infrared light is the the benefit we see is going deep into the body and that's

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where we see you know relief from chronic pain so if anyone's out there if you're looking at you know you want to

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access this treatment you want to be able to you know see the benefits of red and infared light you want to get on the

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the light train as I say um look for a device for pain relief you got to look

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for infrared you got to look for a deeper nanometer right so that's like 700 plus right um and there's a device

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um out there on the market now I could I would love to shine a light on because I greatly admire and respect this um this

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scientist but it's a device for the brain and this device it goes onto your forehead and then it has a complimentary

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device for your gut and um the nanometers that she has in the brain go

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as deep as uh 1,070 nanometers so that's where we're really going deep into the

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brain and um the the scientist who created this device it's called The Sarah Thrive her name is Sarah Turner

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she's from London and um she's uh her passion is to use light therapy for the

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brain and eventually to have it be used as um as as a as a remedy for brain

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diseases like Alzheimer's you know Parkinson's autism and um her device

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yeah it's it uses frequencies of of red light red and infrared light and um it's

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programmed to match the outcome that you want and um yeah it's a very it's a very

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uh wellknown device she's she's a big name in photobiomodulation she does a lots of you know speaking and um she

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does has done a lot of clinical research herself but for but you know if you look at a device like that that's very

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medical nanometers going as deep as th7 I think in her device there's also 850

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um no there's also 950 there's 8 uh I think there's 850 and then 630 so she

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has like three different kinds of infrared light in her device whereas the lumaflex the portable more for pain pain

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relief for the body that's just has that one the the 850 so yeah different

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nanometers of light go basically different depths and can promise you know different outcomes that's kind of

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how how how it works beautiful thank you so much for that explanation I think that really um gives people like a

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really good visual idea of like how this device how this light is actually affecting the body and just as you were

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talking there at the beginning about about pain I really think that having conversations like this and having

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Technologies available like the one that you're talking about is going to start um changing People perception about like

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what pain is you know rather than this thing that we need to stop it's going to

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become this thing that we can actually like listen to and recognize it and recognize that the body is creating this

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sensation of pain to give us a message that specific areas of our body require attention whether that is like something

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that's physical or even something psychosomatic potentially but I think changing that idea about like what pain

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is within the body will start helping people think a little bit different in regards to how they might treat it or go

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about even just like thinking about that what their pain means there are certainly there certainly a place for

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like you know topical products or you know pain relief you know they certainly have their place but looking for

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long-term solution for any type of pain or discomfort whether that's like physical pain psychological pain it's

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very important that we're looking at like what's our body need foundationally and clearly light deficiency chronically

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is going to um going to cause problems going forward when that that could technically I guess

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turn up in anywhere around the body you could have pain in your foot you could have pain in your in your upper spine um

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with something like light deficiency and we have so many amazing people on the podcast and yourself included in that J

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um it always comes around to kind of deficiencies and lack and you know our

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affect way like affect the body in a very in a very deep manner just like

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you're talking about these wavelengths actually getting into areas that are so deep that you know there's no way like a

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topical bom could get to that there's no way like a an aspirin could actually get into that to actually positively affect

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it and when you're able to deal with these deficiencies that a lot of people have probably dealt with for decades but

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they've never really um recognized or dealt with once you're actually doing that on a daily basis people see I'm

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God thank you so much for like giving me these ingredients that I need to heal you yes sure the light therapy that

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you're talking about Works in a similar fashion that's right it's exactly like you said it's a you know we're we're

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we're per it's not the wise route to go and look for a sort of a remedy that

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just addresses the problem short term you're looking what is it what is it that I'm missing you know what is it

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that my body needs what's what is it that me as a primal human being should be having you know and when you start

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looking at treatments like that they're they're very very safe it's they're natural they're non they're nonivasive

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there's things these are things that we should access just as human beings and it's amazing the response it's like like

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you said said your body's like oh thank you so much finally just what I needed you know it's I've I've had some amazing

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Stories I've had people tell me like it was a miracle I met you you know it's very um it's very uh impactful when you

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hear you know comments like that or people that have you know dealt with pain for so many years and that like the

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problem that I had with my folks is um you know with my with my mother and father they they sometimes just get you

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just get used to it after so many years you're just like oh this is what have to deal with it's my cross to bear you know

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I don't you know they don't really sort of even approach the idea that no I mean I think you know if we looked into this

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and we actually did some research and we tried you know some of the you know some of these natural treatments you might

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have no pain I mean can you imagine that it's just I I see this sometimes in people's minds where they're like they

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get so used to having the pain that they almost like just put it out of their mind that it is something that that can

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go away right um that's always really frustrating for me when I'm dealing with different kinds of you know people that

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that you know I talk about light therapy it's kind of changing their mindset like you you don't have to you don't have to

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have the pain you know it can go away trust me you know yeah I think I think

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we've kind of been programmed a little bit by conventional medicine to think of think of our body in quite reductionist

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sectional thinking like I think of like I've got wrist pain rather than thinking

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okay I've actually got body pain and rather than just like isolating my my wrist and thinking about that and going to see my doctor and then seeing a wrist

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specialist you know you can actually look at the broad the broader thing and see what's actually going on for your body because I can guarantee for people

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who certainly experience autoimmune conditions whether that's like in the skin with with rashes or they feel pain

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like a lot of that can be put towards like dehydration chronic dehydration

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chronic lack of light chronic mineral deficiency chronic vitamin deficiency like you addess these like super

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foundational things yes and then so many things remedy very very fast because the

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body is obviously unbelievably complex and beautiful and it can deal with these things for you

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given the right ingredients that you actually provide it yes oh wow music to

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my ears it's I think you yeah your audience would great greatly appreciate

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this Insight like what you're saying like talking about chronic dehydration like in the US if you go and you want to

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buy water you know you like I just want water Spring Water mineral water like regular water like water as it should be

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everywhere it's distilled distilled distilled everything's distilled right and you're like where did this who who

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started this it's in the US it's really um yeah you know just like you said

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mineral deficient you know um you know chronically hydrated you're like yeah no wonder because everyone drinks right and

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then when they go to have when they go to drink water they're not drinking real water you know everybody's the food here

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is like everything's in a packet you know if you want it's it's a really

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um like sometimes I'm like how do you like why doesn't people like do something about this but

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yeah not you know not everybody has a profound thing that happens in their life that usually directs them down like

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a more like natural way of thinking and it's usually this big huge AA moment that you have you had it you had you had

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that experience I've had that in my life that that led me towards studying nutrition learning all sorts of things

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about my experience with food nutrition and all those things but you know not

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everybody kind of has that moment and not everybody thinks about like maybe the three coffees that I have every day

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and the three beers I have and one glass of water I have to day like maybe I'm just unbelievably chronically dehydrated

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perhaps I'm just like fueling myself purely through like processed sugar and maybe my body's not dealing with that

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particularly very well and maybe those headaches I have all the time and the Sleep Quality I have maybe got something

32:28

to do with that and then you know I I practiced nutrition for many years and my initial consultation was like a

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two-hour session and I'd have people just talk to me just talk to me about like everything in regards to like

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nutrition in your body in the last like 10 20 years what it's far back as you can possibly remember and people start

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answering their own questions because they start figuring these things out it's like yeah clearly like three copies

32:51

a day isn't very good for me and yeah people start having these a little bit more clarity around that type of

32:58

thinking and um yeah it's great that we're able to have these conversations that might spark a little bit of um

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inspiration with somebody to maybe challenge themselves to to make

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some good changes yeah that's right and you just need you know like something I I say sometimes when you know if I get

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up if I have the opportunity to get up on stage and I talk usually how I end the talk is I you because usually I'm

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speaking to an informed audience you know I'm speaking to people that know everything they're like yes yes you know

33:30

and I'm like well you know let's let's all because I love the way you sort of you get in your client to talk like

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you're getting them to give information and then they start answering their own questions that's that's a great trick

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because if you're able to do strategies like this and package information knowledge tips in the way that can

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resonate and kind of can trigger a change that's actually in my opinion it's the truest expression of

33:55

intelligence you know when you have a very int ENT person that is you know high and lofty but he doesn't know how

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to package information to say look I know this is a mouthful I know everything you know it's hard to hard to

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catch of all that I'm saying but today just do this one thing you know and they give you an action plan you know that

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you can slowly these bite-sized pieces you know that you you can take action that I really like when I see someone

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sort of be able to communicate their their knowledge you know how they know to do something but they can quickly get

34:27

the reaction of change in someone else instead of them just listening wow you know that's that's amazing and then they

34:33

go off and nothing happens right that's that's sort of what you know what what that's a great strategy where you can

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kind of get them to pull information like to talk to talk and then say well look I think you know you figured out

34:44

the problem there you can kind of see you know what's going on right you know that's um that's a good strategy right

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there yeah we're really good at creating kind of like linear neuro Pathways and

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when we start thinking about things a little bit differently then we start obviously sparking these new ones and that can just like turn into a whole new

35:02

ball game for a lot of people when it comes to realizing that things that they're doing in their life AR aren't

35:07

serving them and some very easy sometimes very free strategies can change have like really big profound

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effects for them then that can just be their that could be their aha moment and then from there on they're a completely

35:18

well they are technically a completely different person which is just really cool to see you you meant was it so is it Sarah

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Turner Sarah turning from the UK yes

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connect brain could together be great episode

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yeah I I just wanted to ask you about in regards to like because you're you're clearly in the um in this red light

35:48

therapy space and I wanted to know like what what is there been some like really great groundbreaking research in using

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this product for let's say let's say pain relief oh yes like like Pain Relief

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pain relief is kind of like a you know that that was all well and and clinically researched quite a number of

36:08

years ago like where where red and red light started was like NASA right like they were using it to you know try to

36:14

grow you know plants in space or something and then they realized it was healing abrasions on their their hands

36:20

so then it went into medical for wound healing and then um you know that's where the beauty space kind of opened up

36:26

and now it's you know you see pro athletes using it with the the big beds where they kind of get these full you

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know high do you know Contraptions that you know can fully you know um alleviate

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them from in recovery from training or from a from a game and um and now it's

36:43

kind of becoming more mainstream with biohackers and everyone sort of endorsing different products but um as

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far as clinical research goes the like there's I have access to um different uh

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globally used files and excels where up where you know clinical research is uploaded all the time um and for pain

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relief it's just it's endless like it's I could send you literally thousands of

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studies on on pain management pain relief um but where what's really

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interesting in the whole light therapy area what's taking a lot of attention now what people are very excited about

37:21

is the brain space and what it can potentially do for the brain um um some

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something that is if we're talking about clinical research something that I that I've personally really liked um when it

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came out when it was published there was an article um it was about the unfair advantage of red light therapy in

37:41

competitive Sports and it when when you see you know an article like this

37:46

published you know on you know a medical journal you're like like this changes the story all like completely flips it

37:53

up on its head because basically what it was saying was we need to look at light therapy almost in the same way as we

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look at performance-enhancing drugs like on in the laboratory if you have Team a

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and Team B and team a is all using light therapy before the game on a cellular

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level they are they have a very strong advantage over Team B so it needs to all

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be widely understood and widely used and accepted and and everyone needs to use

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it for it to be fair um and that that that's kind of um was I was like wow

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like you got people that are saying oh you know I don't can this cure me is it and I'm like well yeah the pain pain

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management and as a solution for recovery and you know an injury that's you know that's already in use now what

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we're looking at in the sport world is actually using it to boost performance

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as a as a you know almost as like an enhancer um but yeah again when it comes to clinical research I think the most

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exciting space to look at is is the brain and what's you know what the studies are coming out now I I think

38:57

every day I I see on my my feed um something for you know cancer or like

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like some very terminal disease like it's in these testing trials now where you know you know potentially in five

39:13

years I would say we could be looking at a remedy for some very terminal diseases

39:18

in the future you know dare I say we have to be careful because even though um lumaflex we're FDA Class 2 we can't

39:27

we can't make claims that's the thing we have to always be very careful about I can't say red light therapy will cure

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this I can't say that as a you know as you know running running a company but um if you talk to a scientist who has no

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company they're and they've been devoted their lives to it they'll just shout to the hills they're like yes it can do

39:47

this it can do this it can do this because they've you know that like you how how are you going to sue them right you're going to you know whereas with a

39:54

with a company we have always have to be very careful with claim um you know yeah we're super we're super

40:00

familiar in Canada and regards what you can and can't say especially around Natural Health Products Health Canada

40:06

literally literally censors truthful he truthful government um health information know like we've got 35

40:13

peer-reviewed Medical journals about how our product can support things like uh PTSD autism depression bipolar but

40:21

Health Canada deems it illegal for us or not illegal we're not allowed to share that information with people which is

40:27

just you know I mean Health Canada has its own agenda which we could we could certainly get into but super frustrating because yeah this

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the the there are options for people out there who maybe don't want to turn to a pharmaceutical drug which is likely not

40:40

going to support them in the long term that's right so yeah that's a whole that's a whole conversation we people

40:46

that yeah there really definitely sometimes I get really frustrated because you see like the system

40:53

sometimes it works for you you know sometimes you find like a you know sort of a loop Pole or you find sort of a

40:58

gray area but then it backfires and you're like wait you know why is why is this so hard what like you can kind of

41:04

see the way it's been created to where you know which obviously well I mean in photo B modulation all of us you know

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pretty much everyone who has a red light therapy brand product um we all do know

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each other we're all like hey hey hey and as a collective we you know our our

41:23

job is just to raise awareness like our job is just to you know promote it endorse it promoted endorser get you

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know just keep raising awareness and then eventually sort of you know the tides will change you know I believe

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yeah well you have to yeah as an organization as a as a movement there you certainly have to stick together

41:40

because you're going up against an absolute Goliath and that's right that's right again the last four years if we if

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if our governments if our um Health authorities really like really really

41:52

cared about our health we'd have been told to go outside and exercise take mty supplements like super super easy cheap

41:58

solutions to staying healthy so yeah if if you're somebody who is you know relying on the government and health

42:04

authorities to come and help and change change you it's never going to happen so

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um working with working working with the someone like yourself and you know listening to conversations like this

42:16

really empowers you to recognize that there are there are options for you out there there are there are solutions

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without question but ultimately it's going to come down to you it's going to come down to like how you want change

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and how you want to be in the world do you want to be you know a painfree 80y old that's able to like you exercise the

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way you did when you were 50 because that is certainly something that you can do one of one of my primary motivations

42:40

as as a dad is that you know I want to be able to play with my kids kids and maybe my kids kids kids you know like

42:45

when I'm 80 90 100 you know whatever that might be and that's my motivation now to making good decisions and opening

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my mind up to listening to know different podcasts to learn more about how

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what else can I do to um enhance my ability and you were you know you were talking about using red light to

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optimize performance within athletes and sports I think people General people can certainly take that as well like why not

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being like an optimal human being just in every day like you can certainly use that you don't have to be an athlete to

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want to live optimally and then like even beyond that so yeah it's a really

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great space to be in and yeah we live in an amazing time thank you wow such wise

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words music to my ears you made my day I really you know I really appreciate that

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lots of great um great knowledge bonds that you shared out there I really me on a personal level just the day that I've

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been going the day that I've had today it's been it's at a high point I really appreciate that it's great thank you so

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much John well and just before we finish up can you let us know where people can connect with you and learn more about yourself and your product so Luma

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flex.com Luma light Flex as inflexible because it's a flexible panel that you

43:56

can shake to joints and muscles um that's that's my website and then for me

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I mean you could just do John graah Fitness on IG I'm quite active there because we have a lot of great athletes

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and ambassadors and doctors and biohackers that endorse the product online so I usually stay in touch with

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them on IG um but yeah reach out anytime I love difficult questions and um yeah I

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appreciate anyone who um wants it to share anything ask me anything I love it

44:27

awesome John well thank you so much for coming on the show today I really appreciate it thank you so much Simon really appreciate I really had a great

44:33

great chat it's nice to meet someone like-minded because I feel like I've learned so much from you right it's it's

44:39

wonderful beautiful yeah I I share that sentiment for sure well that is it for this episode of True Hope cast the

44:45

official podcast of true hope Canada I'm going to make sure there's lots of information in the show notes for you so you can uh connect with John I'm going

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to try and find some good quality research papers to share with you as well um you can leave us a review on

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iTunes and and a review on Spotify if you fancy it other than that we see you next week

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