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hello everybody and welcome to True Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada where we take a deep dive into

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mental Health's many physiological and psychological aspects this is the show for you if you're looking for motivation

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inspiration knowledge and solutions and that's what we're all about here at true hope Canada true hope Canada is a mind

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and body based supplement company dedicated first and foremost to promoting brain and body Health through

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non-invasive nutritional means for more information about us please visit trueu hopec canada.com today I welcome Sally Norton

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to the podcast now Sally is a distinguished expert in dietary oxalates with 35 years of Health Education and

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Research experience she holds a nutrition degree from Cornell University and a master's degree in public health

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from the University of North Carolina her personal healing experience inspired years of research culminating in the

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release of her groundbreaking book toxic superfoods today we're going to be discussing Ox overload and toxic

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superfoods and our actionable question for the show today is going to be which high oate food should I eliminate from

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my diet today enjoy the show okay good morning Sally welcome to True Hope cast

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how are you what is going well I am wonderful it's going well that I get to meet you and hang out with you today

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that's right and we uh we just talked about this off air but we're both spot SP Dawning this beautiful blue today yes

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the great blue the great blue well we're going to be discussing oxalate overload

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and toxic superfoods today and at the end of the podcast we're going to be offering some solutions to the question

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how can I reduce my dietary intake of toxic foods like right away so we're going to come to that at the end of the

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show but just as an introduction if you wouldn't mind telling us a little bit about who you are and what it is that

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you do I am Sally Norton who is this weird

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thing I'm an oxalate educator I'm teaching people about oxalates in their food and its effect on their health and

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I'm doing that because I've had a commitment to health since I was in kindergarten and decided to study

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nutrition to help people not get ill when I was 12 and I went to Cornell University for a nutrition degree trying

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to move in that direction of kind of preventative and holistic health and healing but my health was not great

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doing all the healthy things already in Cornell I had to leave school for foot surgery I was gone for four years and on

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crutches wheelchairs painkillers I had arthritis I had all these problems I was doing plant-based organic I became vegan

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even and you know I guess kept learning I have a master's degree in public

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health and worked in the program of integrated medicine and know all kinds of holistic healing and have all kinds

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of life and professional experiences and I did not know that my sweet potatoes

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and my Swiss CH my nice organic swis that I've been growing since I was nine that um foods that we trust that we

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think are great are going to help us get well with the reasons I had all these health

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problems interesting yeah your so when you went to study

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nutrition in in the States was your training was it like a holistic approach

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was it quite conventional like can you explain a little bit of your experience

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yeah that's an interesting question because my one of my major professors was the one who taught nutritional

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biochemistry and he's quite interested in his own theory about how casine and dairy caused cancer potentially and was

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very much interested in a vegetarian mostly a dairyfree vegetarian diet and

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so we had and this was the era when the dietics association is that's what they were called back then was developing an

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arm that said it's okay to be vegetarian up to then for about the 50 years prior

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they assumed that everyone needed animal Foods in their diet which is probably right but in the era I went this was the

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post 1970s and early 880s it was fashionable now to do plant-based eating

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so I took a summer class at Cornell that was diet for a small planet which is read the book that I'd already read and

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just accept everything that it said got a Cornell credit we didn't look at the actual research we didn't question or

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discuss the the thoughts put forward in that book so it was very Pro

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sloppiness thought interesting yeah it's funny that at certain ages especially

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younger ages when we are you know were 18 19 we've got this new Independence usually away from home going to

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University and then we start learning all these things in a school facility or we start reading the books that were

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recommended and how much of that we we take up as gospel like straight away without really asking questions or

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digging deeper or um questioning the authority of the of the lecturer or the

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instructor it's very interesting we do that because those individuals will certainly have their own books that they

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prefer there's no way everyone can read all of the research and read all the science and make a you know a a decision

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on that so it's very much a little bit of a a bias view I guess from from anybody when it comes to nutrition given

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your own personal circumstance so yeah that's it's an interesting time so how did you um develop your understanding

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from school from those books that you're introduced to to I guess where you are now well Cornell we knew that about

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oxalates you get mention mentioned in the textbook and mentioned probably in class and what we were told is that it

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keates counseling and reduces the calcium availability from your Foods so that you shouldn't

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have tea for example which is a high oate food or spinach necessarily with a meal where you're expecting to get

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calcium from it at the time dairy products and calcium were riding high as they should be as an important nutrient

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and so we were warned about that that you know and the tannins and tea is similar problem so probably you

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shouldn't have your tea with your meal that's about all I came away with except for knowing that a diet that pays

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attention to oxalates and limits your oxalate exposure is critical to kidney stone patients and people with chronic

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kidney disease we knew that too so always thought of the oxalate is for kidney stone patients nothing

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else interesting all right well I'll tell you what let's take a step back here for a lot of people who might not

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have gone to nutrition School let's let's tell us what what are oxalates

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please oxalates is a group of compounds that is based on oxalic acid which is a

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two carbon molecule that has four oxygen on it and a negative charge and maybe two negative charges because it has the

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potential for two and it tends to devolve into two and drop that extra hydrogen molecule or proton and collect

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minerals and it these minerals form these little molecules that salt out so

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to speak they start collecting to each other and become crystals so when you get a kidney stone it's primarily made

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of oxalate crystals that have grabbed calcium and your doctor will call it a calcium Stone but you can't make calcium

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Clump together without oxalate doing it well there's other ways your body can

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produce calcium elsewhere but oxalate turns out to have a role in that so this thing that's grabbing minerals is charg

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it's um it's got this reactivity it messes up membranes and it does a lot of

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problems with cells that's oxyc acid that's a free ion is floating in things like almond milk spinach smoothies

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chocolate bars you name it and the plants are making this this is not something that we spray on because it's

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a pesticide or something this is natural nature makes it it's a very easy to make degenerative product that comes from the

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oxidation process plants make it one way they make it is they make vitamin C first vitamin C very easily degenerates

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into oxalate so the plants will make oxalic acid in order to manage calcium and builds crystals deliberate crystals

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in deliberate shapes for its needs so you're also eating when you eat plants that contain oxalic acid you're also

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eating calcium oxalate crystals that's that's super interesting

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because I think not a lot of people think about why plants make what they make they're not making it for us to

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consume to get nutrients it's just a that's just a a a benefit that we get

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but plants are obviously making chemicals all of the time whether they're to create structure to create

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the flowers to to deter Predators Etc like plants do a lot of incredible

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things with chemistry to evolve themselves and I guess it only makes sense

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that not all of those chemicals would sit well within within the human body you know there are certainly plants that

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deer eat and there are certainly plants that deers don't eat and they realize that because it doesn't sit well within

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their bodies whether it makes them feel ill or sick or whatever but we obviously as a human species we consume foods and

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interacts with us and it causes disease like the stones you're talking about is a primary example of that so is it the

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oxalates that we're consuming that they kind of act as this I don't know glue that that pulls minerals in and creates

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these structures with within us that can end up building up to cause big problems for us and also we're probably not

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absorbing and utilizing the minerals from our diet if that's the case that's right it's the the attraction to

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chemicals of the oxyc acids attract to minerals including calcium magnesium

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iron you name it it's occurring while you're digesting the food and it's occurring in your bloodstream and it's

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occurring at the cellular level so at all levels you could be losing minerals and collecting oxalates because the once

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it starts salting out they stick they stick to membranes they stick to broken

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pieces of cells and they stick in areas that have inflammation and infection so you start building up actually a toxic

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load in tissues and this is not well recognized in medicine even though we know that by the time you're middle age

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you get to your 50th birthday you have 85% chance of having obvious big

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crystals of calcium oxalate in your thyroid gland it's happening to everyone and yet medicine pretends it's not so

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you never hear about it and that accumulation of toxic particles this is like Nano and micro particles that are

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sharp and dangerous and stimulate the immune system collecting in critical tissues like your bone marrow your bones

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your thyroid gland other glands including your pancreas and who knows what else your reproductive tract your

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tendons your joints crystals in the joints are very much related to gout arthritis loss of Integrity in the

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joints meniscus tears all kinds of connected tissue problems potential degenerative discs and so on your eyes

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collect it affecting your vision your you can get poor night vision cataracts

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Acuity problems with your ability to see without glasses there's so many ways that collecting oxalates and calcium

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oxalate crystals in your tissue is is a bad thing and yet it looks like that's what we do now humans eat enough oxyc

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acid that it's collecting in our tissues are there any benefits of

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oxalates um they're all the benefits are conferred on the plants okay it helps

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them do a lot but there's no known real benefit to having oxalate in the body

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the body does make a little the liver makes a little oxalate from hydroxyproline that's the major Amino

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acid that's in collagen and gelatin and connected tissue and uh some of that breakdown a little bit becomes oxyc acid

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and then you're that's why the body knows how to pee it out the the kidneys are quite familiar with oxalic acid and

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oxalates and crystals and can handle the amount your liver makes no problem it can handle twice the amount your body

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makes if your body's healthy and has the right nutrient status and it's not overly inflamed you make about half of

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the oxalates that your kidneys are designed to excrete every day so the other half is coming from your foods but

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unfortunately we tend to eat five six or seven times or more of the amount that

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we're built to handle now okay so we do have mechanisms within us to handle

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oxalates because we endogenously produce them I guess but as you say we're um

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consuming them in our diet to to an amount that the body just can't can't handle that workload exactly yeah yeah

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it it it's interesting that um the body can exhibit the the symptoms and and

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discomfort and pain and disorder and disease of an overload like that because

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it can happen anywhere like you've described it can happen in the eyes it can happen all over the body and I I I

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feel like things like if you're dehydrated those symptoms can you can have symptoms manifest kind of all over

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the place within your gut within your skin Hair Etc and yeah it's it's it's interesting ing that when people start

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to feel symptoms or start to feel like things aren't quite right with their body and they go go to a go to a doctor

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who's potentially not well versed in diet or oxalate

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specifically would you know maybe send them to a eye specialist or a skin specialist or a hair specialist rather

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than looking at the fact that now this could just be something as simple as looking at one particular chemical that

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they're consuming you know it's just not in our

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are thinking to think about toxicity diseases and deposition diseases where things are depositing in your tissues as

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uh course of disease and nowadays the whole medical structure is looking more

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at managing symptoms than looking at what caused them in the first place so root cause thinking is not really there

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in medicine anymore and even lifestyle uh contributions to disease are given

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like limp wristed attention because doctors assume that patients won't live

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the way they think they should live and course the advice you're getting from the doctor is probably not right that's

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the other thing is that these foods that have the high levels of toxic oxalates are things like spinach beet greens

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Swiss chard Things We Trust almonds cashews peanuts chocolate that

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chocolate's supposed to be a superfood brand we've been promoting brand since the 80s the gluten-free grains like the

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quino so popular now buckwheat te aot cassava is really popular as chips and

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so on like these are supposed to be great and they're full of oxalate chia seeds hemp seeds turmeric blackberries

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figs pomegranates these are supposed to be good and no one's paying attention to

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the fact that they're loaded with a toxin that will slowly silently start to

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cause problems and because you know people like me went to school for oh yeah you don't have kidney stones you're

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fine well that is not really how this works which is was pretty shocking to me it took it takes a lot to like get your

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mind to shift which you think you know stuff you you listed off a bunch of

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foods there um super common foods that I'm sure people consume on a daily basis are are there um are there Foods in

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which oxalates are like in outrageous amounts the outrageous ones are Swiss

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chard and be greens Swiss chard greens almonds and then there's ones that you

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know just because you eat it a lot becomes outrageous because you're eating it every day chocolate and potatoes and

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peanuts those are really super common I mean nowadays the the sort of nut and peanut combination with chocolate Rees

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peanut butter cups chocolate chip cookies like that combination is everywhere and it's so ubiquitous that

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you casually grab a Hershey's kiss and a handful of nuts or some trail mix loaded with these things I think it's F you

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don't give it a second thought no I don't I consume I like I love my like little nut mixes when I'm out out and

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about and a little snack to have when I don't have my kitchen available to me

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but yeah it's yeah that's wild that there in so many different food is there anything you can actually do to the food

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to reduce its oxalate amount you can do an extract so if you extract it with hot

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boiling water you can reduce the amount of oxalate and broccoli by a half but broccoli is a medium not really bad not

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like the spinach if you reduce um 20% out of spinach doesn't

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matter it's still ridiculously high so you can reduce it in things like Po which is a Hawaiian food or you know

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boiling spinach for 10 minutes and turning it into absolute mush and somehow using a Coler getting the mush out trying to eat that and throw out the

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water you reduce it from maybe a th000 milligrams to maybe 700 milligrams well

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anything over 100 milligrams is way way way way too much so it doesn't matter that you reduced it because it's still

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ridiculous have you got some examples of those 100 milligram foods that are quite low oh you want me to know these in my

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head data in your head is not trustworthy so anything I say from memory just don't believe me but um a

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handful or an ounce of almonds is about 70 milligrams of oxaline okay so you

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know two handfuls you've covered for the day you're done eating well that's that's that's that's

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a good thing to go by that's a good metric also yeah that's a metric for you if you add it in some tea you know and

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some dried berries or a little spinach on your pizza or your Subway sandwich you know then you're way overdoing it

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yeah what about drinks what about coffee tea alcohol alcohol is completely pretty

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much empty of oxalates there's certain fancy beers that add in things that might add a little but alcohol the sin

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Foods aren't too bad coffee no problem very low in oxalate there's another sinin food you can have tea uh black tea

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is pretty Sol because you're you're making this extract with something about this plant allows that that oxalate to

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come out of leaves when you make the tea and you're getting very soluble oxalate from tea so tea is a pretty good source

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of oxalate but mild at 20 milligrams per cup um so you can have a little tea if

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you're getting rid of the french fries and the tater tots and the potato chips and the Reese's Peanut Butter Cups and

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the handfuls of nut and the spinach smoothies and all that quinoa and bran

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and chia like if you get rid of some of that stuff you can have your tea what about what about animal-based products

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they eat animal products really don't have oxalate in them there may be a little traces here and there there

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hasn't been a lot of tests of seafood there might be a little Trace in some seafood but no the it's really a plant

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product animal flesh does not want a toxin does not need a toxin we are the

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predators we're not supposed to use toxins in ourselves in order to prevent being eaten

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unlike plants do an this this is probably getting off topic a bit but do animals other other animals that consume

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vegetables and um and plants do they have a better mechanism of dealing with

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them or do they just consume foods that instinctively that are quite low well in

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animal husbandry we see this with sheep and cattle where they can die from oxalates in the forage so if they're

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sent out in a field that's mostly weeds that are high oxalate weeds and they're not used to it they'll get sick and die

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and have miscarriages and really horses get something called big head I mentioned that in my book toxic

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superfoods as an example of how this works and it's really interesting because of course the horse is

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monogastric and and not a ruminant and the ruminant animals which are the elk and the deer and the cattle and and the

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Lambs and so on the sheep they have a four chamber digestion and there's all

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this bacteria turning indigestible cellulose into basically dead bacteria

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so they live on dead bacteria and then get that protein and build big bodies and those bacteria can adjust based on

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the diet so if they get into some oxalate forages they can eventually grow more bacteria so during their digestion

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their tolerance for the higher oxalate plants improves but they have to be

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introduced to these hoox plants gradually um but we are not for chambered animals we absorb oxalate from

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the stomach and the upper small intestine it floats between the cells in the water and a healthy stomach doesn't

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have a lot of bacteria in it the bacteria are really concentrated down in the colon in the bacteria and the colon

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there's some um believe they're Anor robic bacteria the most of the colon prefers anerobic

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bacteria this is this um oxalobacter fermines which is an

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oxalate degrading bacteria that can help your body excrete oxalate that's already in your bloodstream back into the colon

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and they will eat it and remove it so the bacteria helps you remove it especially when the kidneys are unhappy

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and your systems acidic but it doesn't prevent you from absorbing it and already messing with your blood cells

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and your vascular system and potentially your liver and your critical organs so

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the bacteria are important to us you can see it in the cattle and so on where they can die if they're not well

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managed interesting interesting um what are some of the signs that someone has

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an oxalate overload or that could potentially be the cause of some of their symptoms well initially you

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usually don't get symptoms or symptoms that you recognize now if you're eating an acute meal you know a Smitt smoothie

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or a dinner full of sweet potatoes and swiss chard like I used to eat three or four hours later you might not be

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feeling so great you might have a stomach thing a little bloating you might get some hiccups or some belching

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or have trouble sleeping and those could be signs digestive problems almost

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always show up when there is an oxalate problem and some people get metabolic problems where they have trouble with

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energy and they're fatigued or their problems with weight weight gain but mostly it's going to be aches and pains

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headaches sleep problems mood changes irritability anxiety depression apathy

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you may get aches and pains in the joints and muscles and end up with something like arthritis gout or

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fibromyalgia uh you could have urinary tract problems where you're waking up at night you see cloudy urine that can be

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crystals forming in the urine it shows up where you can see this kind of thickness to the urine where it looks

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like you can't see through it very well um you can get bladder sensitivity where

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you have to like bladder starts bothering you and waking you up at night or having you run to the bathroom for a

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tablespoon of urine and you're trotten to the JN too often so there's a urinary

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tract there's a nervous system where you get changes in your nerves and headaches and aches and pains and then there's the

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the connective tissues mess up you can start needing glasses too early in life like I did start having tooth pain tooth

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sensitivity it goes on and on and on yeah it certainly sounds like it

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could kind of pop up for anyone anywhere and I guess taking them out of the diet

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for what I mean how long would you say if if you're listening to this podcast and you eat a bunch of the foods that

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we've spoken about like in quite high amounts as you say like your book's called toxic superfood so it's it's very

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fascinating that we some of those foods that we consider to be super healthy for us are like probably hurting a lot of

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people what do you um yeah what would you say in regards

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to how long would it take for you to maybe start seeing a benefit or seeing

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subtle changes in within somebody once they start taking out some of these Foods well it's interesting because

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there's the concern that if you have been living on spinach smoothies and chia balls and brand

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and lots of almonds or keto diets that's loaded with almond flour almond paste almond this almond that you know you

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could be sitting on a mother load or me it was the sweet potatoes I was using sweet potatoes as a daily bread I'd have

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them for breakfast usually have some with dinner I like to have swiss chart a few nights a week that is enough or if

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you're just a chocaholic or if you're into peanut butter and everything you know some people get this thing with

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certain foods you could be sitting on a mess and not know it and the general

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advice is to just remove one of these Foods at a time and go slowly because if you abruptly change you'll probably feel

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okay in fact feel really good for three days and then you're at risk for the

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body suddenly letting loose on the stuff you recently ate or whatever and start

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flooding your bloodstream and your kidneys and so on with oxalate from the past and you're you're haunted by these

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old ghosts of the past and it can really cause problems so you might get this honeymoon where the body's like getting

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ready to get rid of the oxalates from the tissues and feel great and then you could feel worse so there's no guarantee

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that you're G to feel better but if you do it right you can learn how to manage that but if you do

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have a funny response to changing your diet you know this is a real thing for you yeah we see we have a we have a

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product here at true Hood Olive Le olive leaf extract and does a bunch of amazing things but we see it work really well

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work really well for for candida and we see it we have to tell people to go slow

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with the product because it will get rid of it but if you use too much too early you'll see this die off within your own

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body that floods your system and can give you like cold and flu symptoms so I guess yeah if you do have a large

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buildup of these these oxalates sure you want to get rid of them but you have to be responsible in the way that you do

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that you don't want this big flood coming into your body and your immune system engaging with that at a high level so that's there that's really

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really good advice just just a quick one off the cuff like what's the what's a good substitute for like spinach

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smoothies from a nutritional standpoint well if you want to do anything with greens in it start using Roma lettuce

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and other lettuce and Water Crest and arugala and then you want cooked greens do turnup tops and MH and do uh you know

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Collard those things are all pretty low even kale yeah is relatively low quite

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low compared to spinach so it's really just the three greens spinach you know if it's if happy if a happy body and

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great vision and energy and happy joints and good reproduction if the only thing standing between you and it is spinach

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spinach got to go there's a lot of greens out there that's for sure a lot of greens out yeah

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good I mean it's funny we're we're just we're just creatures of habit so we'll just shop in the same spots go to the

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same people at the farmers market and buy kind of the same things all the time but it's literally H tens of thousands

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and hundreds of thousands of different plants out there that are edible so there C there's certainly options and I

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think it's I think it's good to uh open up your horizons when it comes to exactly F exactly true what you touched

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on it briefly but like what's the um conventional understanding of oxalates

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is there one like is it taught in medical school do you know if you go to the doctor and I and if I now if I said

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you know I'm having problems with my eyes or something like that like they're very rarely they're going to ask about

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diet and I'm going to end up telling them about the three green smoothies of spinach that I have every day like

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that's never really going to come up like what's the what's the conventional

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understanding oh man it it is Bleak right now because there's a lots of

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denial that this is even an issue you can take the calcium oxalate crystals that are coming out of your eye fluids

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and a lot of people see incredible like big chunky stuff coming out of their

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somewhere near their eyes you can get this rust in your eyes this is coming out your eyes can be glued shut in the morning and this stuff is like glued on

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your cheek and this stuff is there and you could take these chunks of calcium

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or whatever it is to your eye doctor and say these are coming out of my eye fluids now wow they' be like oh that's

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just some old calcium well who cares about that they're not interested in going hm interesting how and why so they

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absolutely have no interest in it and no knowledge of it it's interesting how little of it is in the Opthalmology

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literature they learn nothing about this and so we're learning as a community because there's tens of thousands of us

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picking up this information and we're seeing I'm seeing very clearly with people who have brain and central

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nervous system issues or water on the brain or other things they're just pouring once they stop eating this stuff

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the body's like finally able to let it go because it's been holding on to it because the INF flood has been so

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overwhelming every day for years how much of this junk is coming out of their eyes but conventional medicine shows no

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interest so far but we're going to change that because more and more people in conventional medicine are doing these

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mistakes for themselves and once they find it in their own bodies in their own families things are going to

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change I yeah I find it interesting I've had a couple of like big dietary changes

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in my like 30 years of like oh my God I'm not 30 I'm 40 my 40 years of being

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alive um and it's not about like what I start eating like and I think that's

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what we misunderstand with diets it's not like necessarily what you're eating on that diet that's that's help helping

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you or harming you whatever right but it's what you're not eating so you know

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if you're not eating the seed oils if you're not eating the the processed sugars that's what you know that's what

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your body is thriving on and feeling better on because it's not having to deal with that toxic rubbish anymore you

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know it's able to actually Thrive so yeah I find that interesting I don't think we really have that understanding from a conventional standpoint that the

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the things that we aren't eating is actually what's going to actually benefit us

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and when we're talking about something like spinach as well which I assume everyone assumes is is super super

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healthy for you and everyone should be consuming it and it's what's interesting is that we have such depleted soil so

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our fruits and vegetables are like even more depleted of vital nutrients so we like eat even more of it now like you

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it's so very unhelpful when it comes to that and I yeah I hope that like

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individuals like yourself and you said that there's T tens thousands of people in the community that can know start helping people um understand a little

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bit about how know some superfoods aren't that super they're not and I like that you

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bring up this concept that taking things away is powerful medicine and in our modern Western

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culture it's always about buying a new supplement adding this at that buying a new exercise equipment joining the gym

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like doing more buying more you know and sometimes it's really just a matter of

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stopping it sure is yeah um how do you think we can bring a little bit more

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awareness of of oxalates into the conversation because from what I

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understand before speaking to you and I learn now I know even more root cause

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healing is obviously a big topic for let's say con unconventional

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practitioners you know they want to get to the root cause of people people's concerns or issues whether that's

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physiological or psychological it's obviously very important to understand like what's the root causing the problem

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where do you think the awareness is going to start coming from with with

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oxalates well it's fa interesting because a few years ago no one ever heard the word oxalate and it seems that

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the minute somebody picks it up and really experien it for themselves they can't not help someone else with it it's

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been so powerful in their lives even if their daughter or mother or sister or neighbor won't listen they'll tell the

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guy in the protoy hey guy don't buy that spinach buy this other stuff instead this is better so word is getting out

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and you can see that with how the book sales are doing and you can see that in the community so there's a natural Word

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of Mouth where we're spreading something on a Grassroots level so I think the most important thing is to find

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open-minded people who see a need for some new options in their life and see

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how simple it is what a simple concept to quit the almonds and chocolate potatoes and spinach for a while and see

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if you notice anything see what you can learn from that it's so important that we do that because without this

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awareness what we have is a world that's pushing these Foods on young people on

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pregnant women on newborns on weaning children like there's too much of this

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oxy everywhere and it's too accepted so it's really important that people like

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yourself are talking about it and I think these conversations has done a tremendous amount to get people to think

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maybe I should think about this where is most of the kickback

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coming from against this movement well personally I don't spend

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any time looking for Kickback so I'm not the most the best expert for that I spend my time helping people okay and

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but I know that anyone who's already embedded in pushing these foods and have some investment and intellectually

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emotionally socially financially financially yeah because

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ultimately you don't want to upset the income stream and that that can be very subtle it could be about your tenure you

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know it's not that subtle but you know what I'm finding is

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people that are already stuck in mainstream ideas and embedded in institutions in our universities and our

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medical system in um online coaching or whatever they're already so devoted to

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how that's working out for them that new truths are not necessarily um going to

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be accepted so people are making up alternate facts pretty quickly even in the keto world and so on and making up

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facts about oh if you just get enough bacteria that'll do it and Publishing articles and saying that but that

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doesn't make it true I just want to play devil's advocate for a second and ask you what's

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the what are the differences between toxic superfoods and um oxalate

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and then all the other trendy diets that we've seen

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forever I know it right so there's a new diet of the week time and here's yet

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another thing you're not supposed to be doing where's room for this in the whole map of things it's ridiculous and I'm

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like oh man I have to join the fry and be talking about stuff that's bad for you that's the last thing I wanted to do

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I'm like I never wanted to take food away from anybody that's why I worked in Academia where I don't have to one-on-one say you know don't eat this

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like I don't want to be your Nanny and tell you what to eat but what's important is to live our truth and to

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realize that we can help each other and I realized that I couldn't figure this out I had all these friends in holistic

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healing and medicine and a lifetime of education and this was my career and I

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was eating these sweet potatoes every day and could not tell that was what was ruining my life I didn't sleep and

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didn't know it my brain was waking up 29 times an hour I had to quit my University position because I could no

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longer function my brain couldn't put words together I couldn't read my mail I'm laying on the sofa my life was over

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and there I am still eating my sweet potatoes thinking that's okay so I couldn't figure it out I felt like you

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know anybody could be making this mistake and nowadays we're all kind of making this mistake it's up to me to let

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anyone who's looking for another answer no and that's all I personally care about if someone needs an answer I'm

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saying this is an important thing to know about if you like to know about it great but when people put out

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disinformation to try to cancel people's options and limit how many options they have to try for their own health that's

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almost criminal yeah yeah I agree with you and I see

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some really interesting um just from working with true hope and my understanding of minerals our primary

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product here is a broads Spectrum micronutrient formula that is chelated for for 4 days so it's absorbed through

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the bloodb brain barin is actually actually a supplement primary mineral supplements actually absorbed and

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utilized through the body and we see well I've seen the last eight years I've worked for this company how nutrient

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mineral deficient a lot of people are especially people who are suffering from anxiety depression um even to the even

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to the cases of like you know bipolar disorder people are so depleted that their brains are unable to function

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correctly and there's obviously a huge connection with what we're talking about right now with you know oxalates binding

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minerals making them unabsorbable and turning them into kind of weapons or bombs waiting to go off and the more

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people consume consume these different types of foods and they become more nutrient deficient that produces more

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symptomology more oxalates more symptomology you know it's it's a vicious roundabout and it's so aligned

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in in regards to what we see with mental health when people start to consume a product that's actually getting minerals

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into their body rather being um bound up um how powerful that can be for a lot of

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people so I really appreciate that you've come on and you're obviously so motivated to spread the word on this and

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thank you for coming on to the show to to do that because it really does align with the fact that we see so many people

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when they become nutrient sufficient they change very very

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fast it's incredible oxalate is the reason the major reason why we're all

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mineral deficient we are all in trouble with minerals in some of my clients it you can really see it with all kinds of

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symptoms arhythmia osteoporosis stomach problems all these mood problems you're talking about

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absolutely oxalate is draining us of minerals and causing oxidative stress

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and INF inflammation and mitochondrial pore function and Vascular pore function and critical organ problems and Body in

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integration problems the minerals are a major piece before we jump into the kind of

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the final question um that we spoke about at the top of the show is there

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anything in conjunction with just removing these oxalate foods that we can that we can do to to to benefit

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ourselves and I I just kind of think of um so many people have got gut problems

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whether that's leaky gut or they've got just um an inadequate ability to to

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break down food and absorb it what are some of the key things that other people can do that people can do to to

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accompany reducing their oxalate consumption when it comes to Chronic

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digestive problems and inflammation in the gut oddly enough getting rid of fiber can be a huge benefit at least for

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a while and then if we can figure out how to f the imbalance of microbes in

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the gut which is I think there's new ideas coming down the pike that's going to help us with that because probiotics

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just aren't able to cut it really quite sick um but getting the electrolytes right is helpful so adding some

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supplements that provide potassium magnesium and calcium and trace minerals is important it's going to help that

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those nerves work better and then you have better peristalsis better relaxation of the sphincter so you're

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less likely to have acid reflux and diarrhea and con ipation all those things so getting enough minerals

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getting rid of the fiber and that means more animal products so adding more meats and animal products they're very

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Nutri nutritional egg yolks are very easy to digest so if you can't digest

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usually an undercooked or even raw egg yolk you can digest so there's there's ways but this is like Consulting because

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each person needs their own individual path to get well 100% yeah but getting rid of things like um the the uls ifers

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and food they're quite harsh on the gut so these emulsifiers and additives the sodium benzoate all these chemicals are

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in commercial foods and the seed oils you gotta get rid of that stuff and really eat real food from scratch you

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know food you could go catch on a farm start eating more like that and

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learn the simple techniques to cook real food and not be relying on Commercial foods and eating out so much and then

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really get your oxalate lenses on and start paying attention to that oxalate

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lenses I like that um I'm going to change the question um for the end of the show because I think

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I I I think we've covered so much in regards to how we can reduce um dietary intake of toxic food so I would love you

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to just answer this question for me if you don't mind which three foods that are so high in oxalates should we just

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get rid of immediately and not consume almond milk almond butter almond

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everything plus the spinach and the Swiss chard those would be my top favorite ones to get rid of and then

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there's the potato chip and the French fry all right wonderful what about um like milk Alternatives like to armor

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milk would o be a better option our best option is probably coconut Beast coconut

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okay awesome well that's incredible information Sally thank you so much I

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learned a heck of a lot and I'm sure everyone listening and watching will do as well what is the best way that people

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can connect with you to learn more Sally K norton.com is my website at Sally

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norton.com you can write to us there you can get all kinds of free information you can get a link to join a group class

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you can learn about the book toxic superfoods you can learn about the data companion which goes with the book if

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you're really interested in studying the how much oxalate and everything but you really should start with toxic

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superfoods there's a cookbook there you can get there's a link to the um my YouTube channel which is also Sally K

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Norton so the YouTube channel has lovely little shorts you might find a way to share that I'm hoping YouTube channel

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will allow you to move this message forward if you have a friend a relative a daughter neighbor one minute videos

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you might be able to use those or these little 15 minute testimonials is way to like open your eyes like wow you can

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heal your knees without surgery that's pretty fun amazing well I'll make sure that um

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links to your YouTube channel and your website and social media are all available in the description of of of

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the podcast but Sally thank you so much for coming on the show you're a blessing and I'm glad that you're out there doing

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what you're doing you are too Simon it's really lovely to be with you thank you wonderful well that is it for this

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