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hello everybody and welcome to this special episode of True Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada

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this is the eighth and final episode of this special series here the true Hope Family files and it's been a wild and

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wonderful Journey since part one of this very special Series this episode part

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eight is titled covid Court corruption and the future for True hope so sit back

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relax and enjoy the show hello everybody and welcome back to the true Hope Family files an eight part special series here

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on true Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada last episode was part seven which was titled Vindication

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and an upright judge today is our final episode in the series and it's part eight covid Court corruption and the

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future of true hope of course Mr David Stefan is with me today how are you David I'm doing very well thank you

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Simon awesome I'm so excited to get into the final episode I've had people speak to me on social media through our

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website through email like Begg when this next episode's going to come out it's been one week delayed because it's

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a very important episode that we've really wanted to make sure we get all of the information out there or the media

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Etc and the resources and the sources to share with people so it's certainly been a um a big process to get this up up and

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running but it's been a huge success so far and thanks so much for everybody so far for watching and I hope you enjoy

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the uh the final episode but we finished part seven with you receiving a phone

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call from the media asking for comments on the Crown's appeal and that came as a pretty big

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surprise to you it did but before we go there I want to digress for just one moment here because there's been this

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delay in getting episode 8 out and I think everybody may want to know that there's also been a bunch of stuff going

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on behind the scenes also that has kind of put this at delay and so just to hold on to the end till the end of this

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episode because that's where we're actually be discussing all of this stuff that's been happening that's made life

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really hectic for all of us over the past couple weeks and what's currently going on and what's going to happen over

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the next month here so wait until the end get there so that uh that you know uh the or that you hear the exciting

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news of what's taking place across Canada here that we're going to be involved in but anyways yes it was it

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was a shock so here we are now in October of 2019 we've basically gone a

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month since we heard the words not guilty and there's been a lot of rumbling the

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Canadian Medical Association in their Journal has published an article against us uh putting that forward to their

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70,000 subscribers um calling for um an appeal right so they're they're getting

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behind this the whole can Canadian Medical Association is getting behind this and the irony is I was using

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evidence from the Canadian Medical Association to go against the doctors that were lying on stand in 2019 19

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right so anyways so they were going against their own evidence that that they Supply in their journals so um

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there's all of this rumbling going on the judge is now being called a racist he's being strewed throughout the media

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and so we're looking at this and saying there's a lot of a lot of Rumblings underneath here that I it would be a

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shock if the crown didn't appeal but of course you're holding your breath saying

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it' sure be lovely if they didn't appeal because we've been in court now with them you know at this point in time for

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six consecutive years and this has been an ongoing issue for seven years and so

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you just really want it to be laid to rest and so now we're getting almost to that 30-day Mark where they can't appeal

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because once 30 days lapses they don't have the right to appeal after that point well sure enough we're going into

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Thanksgiving October 2019 and for those that are watching the US that's when the

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Canadians uh observe their Thanksgiving not November and it's coming up

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Thanksgiving weekend you know we're not doing a whole lot for it but um you know we're just

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kind of hanging out you know somewhat local and all that type of stuff and

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anyways um the weekend happens and nothing

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exciting and I get a phone call on Tuesday after the weekend is done and

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it's from a media um um or one of the reporters who's been following our case

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and and Publishing all sorts of terrible stuff about us uh the false narrative

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you know helping to propagate that he's part of the Canadian uh press but he phones me and he says hey what do you

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think about the recent appeal that the crown has made I said what are you

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talking about he says well the crown appealed I said when did they appeal he

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says they appealed last Friday none of the media picked it up so what what happens

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is when you go to let's you know you're going to make a court filing you have to have an numerous copies of that and they

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get stamped saying they've been accepted they've been filed in the courts one stays with the courts one stays with the

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the person who's filing and the other copy goes to the other affected party or

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parties so they were supposed to supply us with that either digitally or to make

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sure that we had it in person like and do so quite rapidly the

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crown didn't do it they didn't even try to get that filing into our hands they were hoping that here they're they're

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publishing or they're they're filing this on the Friday that they're about to just like they've been doing the

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previous years scheduling stuff on my birthday scheduling stuff on the anniversary date of ezekiel's death you

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know trying to really you know kind of grind it in you know have a psychological impact on us here they're

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trying to ruin our Thanksgiving weekend with us being lamb basted with the media all of a sudden picking it up and

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covering it just as we're about to go into the Thanksgiving weekend but it didn't happen for some reason none of

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the media picked up on it until after the weekend it's like they all started to take Friday off early before that uh

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that Court filing made it in and so anyways here we are Tuesday and I'm hearing the news from somebody who's

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covering the news saying you've got appeal against you which is completely inappropriate so anyways we weren't

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unaccustomed to you know inappropriate uh Court tactics and all that type of stuff with how the crown

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had played this whole case up to that point so yeah here we are we're all a sudden like oh we're getting sucked back

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in here we thought seven years you know completion it's done finally we won we

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had our day in court we got the evidence out there we won fairon Square we we won in a very you know in you know a very

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compromised uh standpoint being that I was self-representing didn't have a lawyer colet had a few lawyers kind of kicking

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in as time allowed for them but they were really picking up on the case watching me cross-examine because they

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didn't have any time to prepare and they were all showing up as their schedule dictated that they could hence why three

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different lawyers you know showing up sporadically throughout the week right so we won fair and square and we're

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thinking we're done and now we're not we're sucked back into an appeal yeah it's wild that the

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um those types of tactics being used you on your birthday on

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anniversaries Thanksgiving you know just doing everything they possibly can a rat of the cage I mean you can't call that a

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coincidence it just seems to be a very deliberate tactic from a government entity which is just like you know it

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just makes absolutely no sense unless they were let's be considered them the bad guys in this whole story but it's uh

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it's quite something but obviously we're talking about like the end of 2019 and and the whole world changes very very

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quickly during that time yeah absolutely Yeah well yeah just as we're about to get into this

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whole I don't even want to call it a pandemic I mean realistically if if the news didn't tell us as a pandemic would

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have anybody thought there was a pandemic really I've yet to see any evidence of of a pandemic but yeah

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exactly right there wasn't people getting sick all around me and you know like okay right like it wasn't that big of a

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deal in fact I I didn't see a whole lot of issues occur till post covid

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vaccination even even being pushed on everybody that's when I started to see people getting sick all around but anyways that's going to be a

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controversial topic that we might not want to go down that rabbit hole quite yet but anyways um you know I was just

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using my eyes to observe my ears to hear as to what was actually going on rather than being spoonfed um my world view

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coming from you know mainstream media who is clearly misleading the vast majority of people so anyways now we got

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this appeal and this appeal is based on two elements one they're saying that the trial judge was biased and you know

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they're adopting the idea that he was racist just like um do uh Julia gishan

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and her crew were were putting out there as they were now making a filing against him with the judicial Council of Canada

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and then also all these doctors are saying the same thing it was just a big rush

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from people that weren't in the courtroom they had no idea what they were talking about and yet here they are

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they're leading the charge and the media is just gobbling it up I mean it's just

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becoming a big story you know this judge is racist so they're going with that but

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also that he aired in law so there's two main elements to the the appeal he aired in law because what he determined is

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that the crown had an onus to prove that medic iCal attention

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would have made a difference to the outcome of whether

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Ezekiel would have lived or died and if they couldn't prove it if they couldn't show that yeah here's the evidence and

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it doesn't it just has to be basically Beyond a reasonable doubt it doesn't have to be perfect doesn't have to say because you nobody would absolutely know

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whether or not it would have made a difference 100% but you could say statistically speaking you know 80% of

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people that have what whatever Ezekiel had which was always up for debate because it definitely wasn't bacterial

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menitis like they claimed it was and so if they were able to prove or let's say

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hypothetically that they actually proved um with a certain level of

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certainty which they weren't able to do that he actually had bacterial menitis then they could say here would be the

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expected outcome and 80% or 90% whatever of children you know brought in at this

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point in time when the stepin should have known better and should have taken to a doctor then he would have likely

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survived you know 80 to 90% chance something like that they couldn't nail anything down there was no level of certainty and the fact that the whole

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thing that they had no science to actually back up the bacterial menitis um claim in fact they had to use that

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faulty PCR test which many people have learned about with the whole covid um issue that they were using PCR tests

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which even the inventor the PCR test is coming out and saying you can't use that for this like you're going to get false

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positives and that's the thing with a PCR test you will find what you're looking for eventually if you look hard

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enough and that just means that you just have to amplify it more and more and more as you're cycling this test and

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eventually you're going to find evidence of something that actually wasn't really there right that that wasn't a causal

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Factor right because it's so incredibly scant if you will that it couldn't have possibly been a causal Factor but you

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found evidence of it now you can say hey there we go got our evidence here we go and that's exactly what they did with Ezekiel to try to determine that he had

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bacterial menitis using a um PCR test on cerebral spinal fluid and that test was

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not approved um for for anything but research purposes not diagnostic

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purposes and there's an email from the microbiologist to the pathologist saying we did the test but you can't use it for

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Diagnostic purposes what does the pathologist do puts it in his autopsy report and says we use non-clinical

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research methodology to determine that he had back Manus right like pretty sketchy so

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anyways those two main elements are being brought up he's the judge was racist biased and that he AED in law

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because he said that the crown would have to prove that medical attention

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would have actually made a difference in order for it to be classified as a necessary of life and that then the

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stepin failed to provide the necessaries of life right so the basis of the very charge was was was hinging on that how

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did they fail to provide a necessary of life you have to prove that it was a necessary of Life the crown failed

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miserably in their attempts to do that it's almost like they didn't even try because they they had not no leg to

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stand on right in the whole of it so that's that's what the the base of appeal was and now we're moving forward

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with that all right and then we're talking about now like a a time with yourself in

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this court case but also true hope at the moment with with covid hitting regulations restrictions be being

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uh input on the whole industry and I guess the whole world in regards to

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stores availabilities to be open social distancing Etc people not wanting to go outside in the lockdowns you know we're

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talking about natural health stores and and the whole industry you know a big big shift and a bit bit of a big change

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how did that affect um true hype well you know what was interesting

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is we were accustomed to going to health shows and that was a large way of us

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interfacing with the general public and being able to Market our products what was of interest is that those Health

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shows came to a close at the beginning of 2019 after a significant amount of adversity because what happened was that

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the media actually began to stalk me like legitimately they began to um

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determine uh well in advance where I was going to be for different events whether

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I was doing a public lecture with a health food store or whether I was being

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invited to a health show to present over the weekend there the media would find

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out about that and they would publish articles that in essence would communicate to the reader by the time

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they're done reading the article this is what would be derived from it is that this health show or this health food store is hosting a baby killer they

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wouldn't use those terms but by the time that you were done reading it that was the message that you would get from it

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and so they were drumming up they they weren't in the they weren't reporting news they were actually making news

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because what it would do is it would then incite a little bit of vital from some people we would see the online

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trolls which we were well acquainted with for many many years going back to the early 2000s uh attacking true hope uh and many

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of these people have direct links to the pharmaceutical industry oh how interesting right all of a sudden they come out of

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the woodwork and they create an online stir as if the people were actually really angry about this so it was an

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AstroTurf movement it was not an actual Grassroots movement where people were legitimately feeding into this or or

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bringing this concern forward they were feeding into it some people would because hey people love to project you

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know their bitterness and whatnot in inside of them and and sometimes they just need to be directed in that right

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and so they're being used as Pawns so they see this movement of hey all these people are mad about this when in

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reality no no there's only a few fake aliases that are really drumming up this issue online in line with the media so

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it became this kind of concertive effort and what it resulted in is different Health shows getting shut down and the

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media was part and parcel to making it happen because then they would go and cover the controversy after they incited

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the controversy so they incite the controversy then you get the these these online trolls making it look like

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there's a big hoo-ha about it and then the media reports on that to make it look like it was actually real but yet they incited they they were the Catalyst

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in the first place or they set the stage for it as if they were the ones drumming up this Grassroots movement that people

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were actually really concerned I was presenting like I presented dozens of times between 2016 after the the

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wrongful conviction between then and 2019 and when the media didn't report on

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it guess how much issues there were with my presentations zero exactly not one single concern

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coming forward as soon as the media got involved which then put it out there in

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in on onto online and then all of a sudden these internet trolls come out all of a sudden it becomes it looks like it's this massive issue so we already

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closed down um those operations in 2019 had to because the media became

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Relentless in fact I had to start threatening to Su in fact I had one Reporter phone me and wanted to

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interview me and I just said hey I'm just going to make very clear to you because I've seen how these articles are playing out you guys are actually

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reporting false information and you're doing so in a way to actually obstruct

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business and to do damage to not only true hope but to these Health shows said

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if you cross that line I'm just putting you on notice right now you cross that line I'm suing you because I've got perfect grounds to do

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so and that put one article at Bay um because they they s they saw the Hot

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Topic they they realized that they were out of line and that they were actually going against the initial retractions

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that uh that we were telling them to make because it just wasn't uh court evidence that they were actually

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reporting on so we already shut that down so when Co hit we were already well prepared we had

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already kind of shifted gears knowing that we couldn't really interface with the public but it really put a strain on

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our reps because we have a team of reps across Canada that are interfacing with stores on a regular basis we had a demo

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team that was doing uh some work across western Canada all of that came to a grinding Halt and so we had to kind of

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really shift gears continually to see how can we get this out into the public and so we started doing online training

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sessions where we would invite health food stores from all across Canada to attend these online training sessions that we were doing um so we we really

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started to get a little bit more Dynamic if you will in all of that

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but really one of the biggest ways that it affected true hope is in the fact that um you know

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I love to speak truth and when something doesn't sit right and I see that it's harming people I'm going to speak up and

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one of the the issues I saw right off the bat going into April of

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2020 late March April I'm like this thing is a hoax it absolutely stinks of

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a hoax and I went and analyzed the CDC numbers on it and you know here we are

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now mid April and you have this pandemic and people are dying and remember at this point in time the media is

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reporting updated numbers every single day as to the death count from covid

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every single day yeah I went and looked at the CDC numbers and I said this is

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sketchy because what you have is you have deaths from covid specifically and

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at this point in time they're reporting like 64,000 people dead but the deaths from covid According to the CDC were

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only 11,000 right and then you have flu and

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pneumonia and covid so this is where the covid related deaths come from and that's that's when they shifted their

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their terminology to be 64,000 covid related deaths well nobody's Discerning between that and saying covid related

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they're saying they're thinking covid and so you see the rest of the numbers so people that were dying from the flu

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which is typical every year there's a there's a baseline of what you'd expect and it's about 60,000 people by about

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that point in the year that will die from the flu in the US and so I'm breaking down the numbers I'm

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saying this is interesting statistically speaking you're actually less likely to die from infectious disease in 2020 up

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until April than you would have been in 2019 from January to April or

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2018 you're you were actually slightly like by a few percentile less likely to

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die from covid or die from any infectious

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disease in 2020 than you were in the previous years so where's all these extra deaths they're not there all they

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did was shifted the deaths from pneumonia and flu to now say those are deaths from covid and so I called it out

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and this created a big ruffle and because I'm directly Associated true hope and so all of a sudden now this big

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issue arises and I'm being labeled as you know this crazy person and the media

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reports on it on me calling it a hoax because it was but by definition a hoax is used to basically defraud somebody to

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remove rights and freedoms that they have that that is in essence the definition of a hoax and people were

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being defrauded and they were losing rights and freedoms there's no debate about it and now when we look back at it

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and we look at the numbers and all that we see that I wasn't wrong and I wasn't wrong because I was covering cdc's

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numbers if if I was wrong CDC was wrong but the CDC wasn't wrong they were actually reporting on the overall deaths

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and they just um the media just wasn't really going by that and the CDC was

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also being uh fraudulent in relation to how they communicated certain things but when you actually broke down the numbers

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it just didn't line up with what the media was telling you and so that did have a negative impact on true hope

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because we had even some of our retailers phone us about me taking that

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particular approach especially that early on because um a lot of people weren't they weren't seeing the writing

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on the wall yet yeah right whereas a lot of people have waken up and they've waken up to a lot of the issues and they will continue to wake up to the issues

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because the truth is still emerging including the fact they're they're pulling these covid vaccines from the

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marketplace that people were mandated basically forced to take and now they're being pulled in the marketplace because

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the evidence shows that they're incredibly dangerous interesting so anyways that

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was a bit of digression but yeah so that was really the the major impact that it was originally having on us is that we had to become more Dynamic but we had

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already largely been prepared because the media had kind of pushed us out of the general public um Market if you will

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yeah for me for me a big red flag in all of this was the fact that you know I'm I

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trained as a nutritionist for three years I worked with hundreds of different different people and people

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with um psychological conditions people with physical conditions and a lot of

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the recommendations I would make were super super simple things like exercising for your mental health moving

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your body daily taking um vitamin D especially through through the winter months and it seemed to me that the

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government um guideline guidelines were to make people to make

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people sicker to lock people in their homes to keep them out from the Sun um

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and you know recommending something like like a lockdown there's no obviously any there's no research whatsoever to to to

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claim that would even have a chance of working made absolutely no sense whatsoever from me from the get-go I'm

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not a virologist I'm not an immunologist but that made absolutely no sense to me but

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then it's like okay so you're advising us to do this but it's like you know people locked up into their home just

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watching Netflix all the time they are going to get sick they are going to get depressed they're going to get anxious even more if they already have those

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conditions and there was no recommendation for home exercise or

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exercising in your yard taking vitamin D because you can't get outside so much

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like the fact that they weren't recommending anything at all that's healthy made me think that they they

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just want people to get sicker and sicker and then be more reliant on drugs in the future and the recommendation was

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don't go to the hospital until you're like you know super unbelievably sick

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which when it comes to holistic nutrition and prevention and treatment that's just like that is just that's not

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medical advice that's that's sick advice that's death advice that's putting people in a putting people in their

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graves earlier so it made absolutely no sense to me from from a nutritional standpoint from a holistic standpoint

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and somebody you know who works in the natural health field when so many people who have just being bombarded with

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coordinated fear media are getting more and more anxious getting more and more

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depressed and there were no Solutions being offered it was just it was just one way cortisol hitting adrenaline hitting

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fear mongering tactic and it was from frighten fright frighteningly obvious

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that that was a a scheme nothing more than a scheme it was almost as if they

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were attempting to create and I say attempting at that point in time because they were actually successful in it but

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attempting to create a mental health crisis oh yeah which is really interesting and and not just from the the fact that they were locking people

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up one of the things that I did early on in 2020 is I did a breakdown of a a research paper out of John Hopkins

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University from the 70s where they did a breakdown using different um crises

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different economic crises in the past and that they were able to create a direct correlation of the

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increase uh with with the the economic downturns that for every you know

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percentile of unemployment how many more suicides would be occurring

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statistically speaking how many more homicides would be occurring statistically how many more cardiovascular related deaths would

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occur because of increased stress we obviously know that has a negative impact on heart health and they had this

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broken down to a really good science using the past models that we've had the Great Depression and all that and it was

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interesting because that was one of the the major elements here is that they basically have tanked the economy and I

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don't think it can actually pull out we're still in a nose dive and I honestly think that it's almost too far gone to correct at this point in time

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which is really really unfortunate we I think we've got some hard times ahead of us um and that that comes from basic was

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I I studied economics High economics uh Austrian economics whatnot about a

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decade and a half ago and so just looking at it it looks like a pretty simp simple recipe that they put us

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beyond the point of no return and I hope that's not the case but it that's what it appears to be so they were doing that

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though they began that they they increased the money supply while they rapidly plummeted production which could

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only create inflation or the potential for uncontrolled hyperinflation which

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they've had to try to curb using interest rates which now puts us more into a recession depression uh type

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thing so it's almost like they were trying to create a mental health crisis from

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multiple angles unemployment um people being economically deprived right in their own

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homes people being locked in their own homes being isolated from friends and family and so it just seems really

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nefarious when you couple that with the fact that Canada answer to that is

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introducing made assisted suicide that medically you can go get ass assisted

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suicide and and I've I know people that have done it that have gone and gotten that like that's their answer to the

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crisis the Mental Health crisis that they created that appears to be really nefarious but who knows maybe that's

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just a comp conspiracy maybe it was just by chance that you know they didn't know what they were doing they created a mental health crisis and then well it

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was just seemed like a good idea to assist with suicide

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strange yeah strange sickening yeah it's it's quite a wild world Journey that

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we've been on and there are the amount of times I've been surprised and then now not surprised by some of the things

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that we see it's uh yeah it's quite remarkable but um let's get back to the

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timeline here because we could go off on covid all day we could go off on maid all day so let's um let's get back into

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this here so the when was the appeal heard and um yeah tell us about that appeal

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Was Heard once again third year in a row June 11th 2020 on my birthday so that's the

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third year in a row that the crown scheduled [Music] um Court hearings on my birthday did

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they provide cake or muffins in the courthouse or no this time it was like it was pretty boring well actually well

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it was pretty boring like we we were getting accustomed to going into the courthouse at that point in time and this time we didn't even get to go into

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the Courthouse we we just sat in our basement unwatched on the big screen it was one of the only times that the big

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screen actually gets used we don't use TV really around here but anyways we we turned it on and used WebEx to

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watch um the hearing take place the appeal hearing because nobody was going

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into court so Sha's I I can tell Shawn's in his living room and he's set up a Podium there so Shawn Buckley is

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representing us for the appeal he's one of the the the lawyers representing us he's representing me and then uh Jason

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deir one of the other three lawyers in 2019 that was helping my wife he's representing my wife and then we've got

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these three judges the top judges in all of Alberta because at this point in time Katherine Frasier the chief um Justice

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for the appeal court in Alberta so she is legitimately the top judge in Alberta she appointed herself to the case so we

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thought oh hey maybe they're going to take this seriously well they took it seriously all right but not not from a

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truthful standpoint so what we saw that Shawn was just being shut down and the

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one the one judge was saying what's the relevance of of the fact that Ezekiel went for eight and a half minutes with no oxygen in the ambulance what

30:36

relevance does it have well we're talking about the causation of a death here we know that a child died we know

30:42

like that's what's being presented to the courts is that a child died we need to determine how that child died so that

30:48

we can determine what the parents saw or didn't see as you're trying to hold them

30:53

criminally liable saying in essence that you failed to provide the necessary of life well if they didn't see anything

31:00

alarming and it caught them off guard No Case Case Closed let them go send out a

31:06

public apology for lamb basing them in the media and and dragging them through the courts at this point now for over

31:11

seven years right and we're now actually up to eight years by the time the appeal gets in right and so there's complete

31:18

relevance as to how that child died you know that child being my son Ezekiel how

31:23

did he die and so they're they're going at Shawn and we're watching this we're not even part of it we just get to

31:29

observe it so we're literally watching this debate go on between Shawn and um and this

31:35

judge and so we're I'm becoming a little bit leery at that point saying all right I see where this is going right and the

31:42

judge is just becoming unconvinced completely that it has no relevance don't even bring it up don't even bring up the fact that he went for eight and a

31:48

half minutes without without oxygen which is interesting because um you know we now are waiting for a

31:56

decision during that time and you know so now we're going from June 11th 2020

32:03

and typically we' expect a decision on that day on or within a month and a half up to a month and a half well fast

32:09

forward to March 8th 2021 right so now we're you know

32:16

basically three qus of a year out and all of a sudden a written decision comes

32:21

into play now I think it's I think it's prudent based on what that written decision said to understand the

32:30

environment the the political environment the uh what what's going on

32:36

with in people's lives at this point in time the covid vaccine has just been released a few months previous and they

32:43

created demand for it right so we've only got limited so only the elderly can get it right or whatnot and so it

32:49

actually creates this demand in people a sense of urgency oh I got to get it as soon as I can get it and I actually knew people that were doing that they were

32:54

traveling crossborder where there was these shots available to go get them on

33:00

the US side versus waiting here in Canada and it became this element of excitement for those that were actually

33:06

bought into it now the vast majority of people weren't bought into it the vast majority of people that I'd spoken to

33:11

and these are just general people saying no not enough science not getting it

33:16

whatever and that's when we would see you know later on that year course of tactics being employed to make people

33:22

get it because uh compliance just wasn't there but here we are March

33:28

2021 the environment is that this jab this this um new um experimental jab has

33:38

just been released uh and it's by definition at this point in time it's not even a

33:43

vaccine they had to change the definition of vaccines because vaccines are antigenic in nature right they they

33:50

Supply an antigen which is a uh weakened or dead form of the virus uh or a slight

33:57

VAR of the virus that now incites an immune response within us that we now

34:03

build up antibodies to it that's by definition what a vaccine was before that is antigenic in nature these new Co

34:10

shots were not antigenic no in fact most of them were

34:16

mRNA changing or they had mRNA in them which is messenger RNA right it actually

34:23

goes or mRNA which it goes in and will actually change the program in your body

34:28

right to do something so that's interesting we're actually changing the biological function of our body like

34:34

there's something much deeper going on here it's actually changing in essence who we are as humans and so now we have

34:41

this coming out so this decision is

34:46

released and I read through it and it was not for us in fact what it says is basically go

34:54

back to trial again so here we are we've gone through two trials we've gone through two appeal applications to the

35:00

Alberta appeals courts we've gone through one appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada and now they're saying go for a third trial and this is basically

35:07

unprecedented in Canada right third trial we're now 10 years into this and

35:14

they're saying no you're going for a third trial and so now we we read the decision and what was interesting is

35:20

that it was so wrong on so many levels misrepresented the facts completely in

35:27

fact committed facts intentionally because when you're making an appeal you can you have the opportunity to supply a

35:34

30 page factum this is 30 pages of facts as to why the appeal shouldn't go

35:41

through so the appellant has the opportunity and that's the crown to supply 30-page factum saying this is why

35:47

the app should go through and us as a defendants each yet because there's two parties Colette gets 30 pages I get 30

35:53

pages so 60 Pages we submit to the the um appeal court to say this is why it's

36:01

baseless or this argument should not stand that the crown is making and one of those was over the whole racist thing

36:08

where the judge is being said to be a racist they were talking about how the judge had made note that it was really

36:14

hard to understand adago badel adago and that uh he had and he made mention of

36:21

garbled annunciations and all that and it was completely true yeah one page of

36:27

my fact was laying out the fact that I had argued before we even got into trial in 2019 IID argued saying we should not

36:35

have badell Ado available over CCTV because it's hard enough to understand

36:41

him in person and that every party involved is going to become extremely frustrated if we allow him to appear

36:47

over CCTV I said this in March of 2019 June 2019 is when the trial

36:56

happened the judge Rook the crook allowed for him to be permitted to to present

37:03

over CCTV after the crown had lied about how long the flights would be how expensive they would be and all this

37:08

type of stuff um and they' completely pulled the wall over everybody's eyes and I didn't have the opportunity to quickly look that up online to find you

37:15

know direct flights would be less than half the time that they claimed and less than half the price that they claimed and so anyways here appear peers over

37:22

CCTV and sure enough the judge gets so frustrated that he orders that ad needs

37:27

to appear in person and fly up from Indiana and come up and present in person because nobody's able to

37:34

understand him um and and even the court clerks um or Madam transcript is having

37:39

a hard time making transcripts uh over the whole issue they they you see holes in his transcript not

37:45

with unintelligible words so he comes up and um

37:52

anyways that was used against the judge to say he was biased and actually the

37:58

the the appeal judges actually say that we had never brought up any concerns

38:04

about his speech prior to that when one whole page out of my 30 pages was solely

38:12

bringing up those concerns well in advance to that judge even even taking um any stance or any position in our

38:19

case and so they completely omitted that evidence and then lied about it and said that we didn't make any any uh took no

38:26

concerns with it the judge took concerns of it and so we're looking at this and

38:32

we're saying all right where are they going with this and it was a lengthy decision it was 34 page uh written

38:38

decision and this is where it becomes concerning especially given the environment that we were in so you'll

38:46

remember that we shut down the whole vaccine part of the trial in early 2016

38:52

before we even got into trial when we showed that we had two expert witnesses that were going to show that the vaccine

38:58

that they claimed that would have saved ezekiel's life could have killed him based on government

39:04

reporting right and that if he did receive it he still could have died from a homophilous influenza infection

39:11

because obviously it wasn't that effective and that was all based off of proper government reporting as soon as

39:16

the crow knew that they shut down that part of the trial so there was no evidence to move forward with because it

39:21

wasn't tried in 2016 2019 there was one blip that popped up I I shut it right

39:27

down immediately um saying that this expert is not qualified to speak on

39:32

vaccines and the crown didn't go there again and so the appeal judges have nothing to go

39:39

off of in relation to any expert testimony whatsoever when it came to vaccines and

39:47

the cause of death of my son but yet we see on three different occasions in the

39:52

written decision that these appellant judges made is that they resurrect the whole whole vaccine issue and they go so

39:59

far as to to say this at one point in time they're so they're going off on a tangent and they're talking about um Dr

40:06

adago and all this type of stuff and then they say this we pause here to

40:12

observe so in essence they're saying we're going to digress for a moment emphatically right we pause here to

40:18

observe that the fact Ezekiel had not been vaccinated was a highly relevant

40:24

consideration for a pathologist diagnosing a cause of death okay so diagnosing a cause of

40:30

death that would almost certainly have been avoided okay so that death would have almost certainly been avoided if

40:37

the subject had been vaccinated so in essence what they're saying not in essence what they're

40:43

saying directly is that death of my son would have

40:48

almost certainly been avoided had he been vaccinated they had no they had no

40:55

testimony to go off of to even come to that conclusion and these are not doctors these are Judges so how could

41:03

they possibly make that type of assertion they can't it's wrong that's

41:09

an appealable point right there and so it's interesting though that they're grouping that into the decision and that

41:16

in essence what they're saying is the judge aired in saying that the crown had to prove that medical attention would

41:23

have made a difference they then go so far to say basically that medical attention is by

41:29

virtue a necessary of life as if it's as important in our lives to preserving Our

41:34

Lives as water food shelter clothes right yeah so they're now grouping it in

41:40

the the medical attention is that Western medical attention by the way so it's extremely monopolizing extremely

41:46

biased um and very exclusive excluding naturopathic medicine atic

41:52

medicine Chinese medicine homeopathic medicine anything else that's outside of the the Western model of medicine which

41:58

is Rockefeller based medicine or petroleum based medicine um anything outside of that is not deemed to be a

42:04

necessary life but somehow petroleum based medicine that is highly controversial can be quite dangerous

42:11

over a 100,000 people die in North America every single year from taking

42:17

properly prescribed medications the way that the doctors instructed them to do over 100,000 people dying every year and that's that's under reported and yet

42:24

somehow that's a necessary of life that's that's suspicious that's really interesting right and

42:32

so they they basically turn medicine in this written decision into a necessary

42:37

of life and then they group The vaccination element to that as part of that so now we have this

42:45

precedent and Sean Buckley's reading this and he's saying basically like this is you

42:52

know like a vaccine like type passport thing like it's that powerful in in its

42:58

precedent that this could be used against all of the public who chose not

43:04

to vaccinate for covid that this could be used as as a sledgehammer to basically beat them down

43:11

right interesting timing March 8th 2021

43:17

right after the release of the covid shot the appellant court judges the top

43:22

judges in Alberta make a written decision

43:28

bringing up evidence that they didn't have or basically substantiating facts that they had no evidence to support to

43:35

say that Ezekiel his death would have almost certainly been avoided and that vaccines and medical

43:43

attention in essence are a necessary of Life absolutely dirty what unbelievable

43:49

claim just unbelievable and yeah as you say like vaccine vaccine vaccine

43:54

hesitancy such a Hot Topic at that time that's all we were hearing about um as

44:00

the only possible solution for you know surviving covid-19 and the pandemic so

44:06

it must have been a Hot Topic going around and the fact the fact that they're able to actually write that down as judges not doctors is um it's

44:15

mind-blowing that's even even allowed like it's very confusing well even

44:21

badell adago the one who falsified ezekiel's autops report he wasn't

44:27

willing to make that bold of a statement none of the doctors that took the stand were ever willing to make that bold of a

44:34

statement in the preliminary hearing when they were allowed to speak of it in 2014 and they weren't qualified as

44:40

expert Witnesses during that that point I'm pretty sure I think that they were just bearing testimony to substantiate

44:45

whether or not there was a case and so for the appellant court now 7 years

44:54

after the last evidence was ever given in relation to vaccines and from they

44:59

didn't cite any of the preliminary hearings seven years after all of a sudden they're pulling out much more

45:05

solid evidence than ever was brought or over the stand that was ever testified to in the court case very very shocking

45:13

really like it just so now we're concerned because they also provided

45:19

guidance in their appeal decision as to how the third trial should happen and it was incredibly devastating to our

45:25

defense now just keep in mind at this point in time we've never received a full disclosure we're missing evidence

45:32

crucial evidence the first two trials were legal should not have happened because a full disclosure was never once

45:38

provided to us and we have evidence to show that there's other evidence out there because the there's certain

45:45

medical files that are relying on previous medical files those previous Med medical files have been scrapped in

45:50

a whole black hole a whole hour and a bit of of ezekiel's care during a very critical time disappeared

45:57

completely disappeared right somebody somebody's liable for jail time for destroying medical evidence and yet

46:05

there's no investigation taking place and the courts you know Rook the crook in essence was just saying nope we just

46:10

we have what we have and you're going to move forward with this I'm saying we need a full disclosure we don't have it we need that evidence we need to know

46:16

what happened to Ezekiel to understand how he got to the point that he died what happened during that critical um

46:25

time in the hospital right during transport to the Albert Jones Hospital NOP crickets nothing no we're moving

46:30

forward with this so we're already deprived there now the

46:36

appeal court is saying third trial you don't even get to use some of this evidence it's not relevant right we're not going to debate causation of death

46:43

well wait a minute then so do we just accept that he had bacterial menitis which he didn't and then we can say hey

46:49

you know the crown can say the staffin were ignoring these symptoms of bacterial menitis which we weren't because he didn't have it right so the

46:56

whole thing was dirty and so I'm looking at this I'm saying oh boy we're done like we're going to jail

47:04

like the there'll be nothing short of a miracle for us to get out from underneath this and I'm just feeling

47:10

really really hesitant about it at this point in time and I'm seeing how corrupt the Alberta courts are so we appealed to

47:16

the Supreme Court um for a number of reasons one to get this this this appeal

47:22

turned over because it was absolutely egregious in nature um and they were they were C they were basing it off of

47:28

evidence that they didn't have and so we're saying hey they're way wrong and they're omitting evidence they're intentionally omitting the defenses

47:35

evidence that was brought forward for the appeal um to to draw these conclusions and they're writing a false

47:41

narrative based on omitting or ignoring that evidence and so we're going to Supreme Court for that but we're also

47:47

going to Supreme Court for the fact that we don't want this precedent sitting over parents' heads here in Canada that

47:55

now it can be used as a sledgehammer to beat them down because they chose not to give their child the co shot and so now

48:01

we're going to the Supreme Court to try to get this all rectified now typically what would happen during that

48:07

time is that um they would shut down the third trial they would stay it they

48:13

would until we hear what happens from the uh Supreme Court doesn't

48:19

happen doesn't happen uh Alberta courts is saying nope you're moving forward the third trial regardless of what's going

48:25

on with the Supreme Court so now we're doing a supreme court application we're preparing for a third trial at the same

48:31

time and both those are pretty costly and so now we're just being you know strung out we're we're being spread

48:37

extremely thin and so we were really really just praying for a miracle like

48:43

how do we get out from underneath this how do we do this this just seems like way too much they are dealing with us in

48:49

such a corrupt way they think that they've got Checkmate they're they're breaking us down um how do we do this

48:56

right

49:01

so but we come to an interesting part in the story where you just use the word miracle comes along and that's kind of

49:09

exactly what we see in this next part of this story involving Dr Edie appi well

49:14

there's a major twist that began to happen and so um what happens is we weren't the only

49:23

ones that took issue with badell ado there I I guess he was a dodgy guy you

49:30

go you you know back then if you did a Google search I'm not sure if it's still there today because ay sensorship is a real thing and there's been a

49:37

significant amount of censorship surrounding him since all this took place they're trying to cover it up as to what actually happened to

49:44

badell yabo but there's a Twist in the story because you've got people that are actually posting stuff online

49:50

complaining about badell adago and the autopsy reports that he is performing

49:56

well he ticks off a guy um this guy's cousin uh is found burned

50:04

to death in his van and and I'm going to try to to relay the story as accurate as

50:10

possible here based on what was given to me over over the years but some of it might be fragmented my understanding is

50:15

that his cousin had just uh received a massive bid won a bid um in Northern oil

50:22

country uh for millions of dollars uh for these contracts and so at a time

50:28

that he would normally be celebrating he's found burnt to death in his van badel Ado uh gets the file and

50:37

concludes that it was a suicide which would potentially absolve

50:43

his competition um another ethnic group because these these were um uh East

50:50

Indians that uh that the family the guy who got the bid and there's another

50:55

ethnic group I guess that was going for the bid as well trying to get the the contracts

51:02

and they didn't get the contract and then this guy's found burned to death so there is some element of Suspicion

51:07

surrounding it in in relation to all this um that um his cousin was speaking

51:15

about and his cousin being in East India so badell adabo deems it to be a suicide

51:23

which completely drops the investigation into other potential suspicion uh suspects who would have a vested

51:29

interest in removing this guy for significant financial benefit and so

51:35

anyways this cousin starts digging in deep and he's now on a life mission to

51:40

expose adago and it gets pretty deep um

51:46

I think I have it here on my desk sorry I've got a bunch of papers here we good

51:51

um oh yeah that's that's it so

51:57

this cousin goes and gets you know some stacks of paper on adago right in

52:04

relation to his licensing and it goes back to his early days in

52:10

Nigeria and so you know there's a listed school on his transcripts as to where he

52:16

became a doctor in Nigeria so um Bobby Ray phones the number Bobby Ray is the

52:24

the cousin of the individual who's burned to death in his V Bobby Ray phones the number on the uh transcripts

52:30

and it just goes to a pub in Nigeria not a school okay well maybe they change

52:36

their number that's interesting but then he goes digging through the the transcripts with the fine tooth Coleman finds discrepancies he finds name

52:42

changes he find uh in relation to Ado where at some points he's representing himself under one name and then he's

52:48

representing himself under another name uh a little bit later on now during this time he's also failing his medical tests

52:54

and you only have so many chances at taking these tests and he's failing them

53:00

but then he's representing himself under a different name almost as if it's he's trying to start off a square one again

53:05

right is what it seems like and then there's different places that are being listed on his medical

53:12

transcripts as to where he's done his internship and all that

53:17

and it's not lining up and in fact eventually what would happen is a

53:24

credential fraud investigation would take place um an investigation started up in the state of Kansas in May of 2020

53:34

so just before our appeal our our appeal takes place and also in the state of

53:39

Indiana and he's living down in Indiana at this point in time and what people weren't aware of is the fact that he had

53:45

to work under doctor supervision because he had failed his test too many times in the US to be able to operate on his own

53:51

accord so even now that he's done in Alberta he's done all these hundreds of autops in Alberta over the from

53:58

basically I think 2011 to about 2018 um actually I think it's in the

54:04

thousands thousands of autopsies and he moves back to Indiana as soon as

54:11

we blew the whistle which is ironic we blew the whistle in May of 2018 exposing all of these doctors that that had

54:18

committed perjury in our first trial in 2016 and he moves in June of 2018 so a

54:24

little ironic the timing he moves back to Indiana but he has to work under the supervision of another doctor because in the states he's not allowed to operate

54:30

on his own he's not credible and yet here in Canada they're propping them up to be very credible and in fact a big

54:37

part of the written decision from the appeal court um in the last decision is that they were talking about how

54:44

prestigious uh badell adabo was right in his credentials and he basically proing

54:50

them up put them up on this pedestal meanwhile what they're not aware of is the fact that there's credential fraud

54:55

investig ation taking place during that time in the state of Indiana and the state of Kansas and it ends up finally

55:03

getting some traction unfortunately none of the Canadian media would touch it none of them would touch it and it was

55:09

brought forward to them but there was one media outlet that actually did Cover the story I think we have access to that

55:15

do we not we do yeah it was um 12 news in the state so let me just bring

55:21

FactFinder 12 yes FactFinder 12 is what they're called

55:28

and this is the video forensic pathologist who once

55:33

worked the sedu county Forensic Science Center while there he conducted hundreds of autopsies for murders suicides even

55:41

testifying as an expert witness in homicide cases FactFinder 12 investigator Alex Flippin looked into

55:47

the doctor's records finding inconsistencies about where he said he worked and when he said he worked there

55:54

raising questions about his education and training questions he took to the state of Kansas to find out if they saw

56:00

the same inconsistencies and if so why they granted him a

56:09

license in uh January of 2014 my cousin

56:15

uh was found burned to death inside of his vehicle

56:22

badel wrote the autopsy report because of bizarre circumstances surrounding his

56:29

death Bob Ray of Alberta Canada believes his cousin was murdered and he believes this man Dr badell onago was incorrect

56:38

when he ruled the death of suicide while working as a forensic pathologist in the country we spoke to Bob Ray by Zoom the

56:44

connection was a little spotty but what he said was clear enough and that's how he came on to my radar and I started

56:51

researching into where he started his career where he got his uh education Etc

56:58

and it took me all the way back to state of Kansas and to us at FactFinder 12 Bob

57:04

Ray wanted our help looking into Dr badel aago so we did Dr aago worked for

57:10

the SED County forensic science center from 2008 to 2011 while there he performed 895 autopsies 109 of them

57:18

suicides another 43 deemed homicide we spent months coming through hundreds of

57:23

pages adogo school records test scores places he's worked the applications he filled out to work there what we found

57:30

were inconsistencies a lot of them let's start in Kansas we on his application to

57:36

become licensed to practice in the state he says he spent a little less than a year from 1998 to 1999 working as a

57:44

therapeutic counselor for the Salvation Army now let's go to Indiana where adago works as a doctor now on the application

57:51

to that state he lists the same job this time saying he worked there not from 98

57:56

to 99 but from 98 to 2001 the same years but different dates are listed for the

58:03

Salvation Army job on another record this one held by the fcvs a service used

58:08

by medical boards to check doctors work and education records three different forms one job and three different date

58:16

ranges back to Kansas now ai ao's application says he held two positions at Fox Chase Cancer Center in

58:22

Philadelphia 13 months total one of those months serving in a pathology observership in Indiana adago list that

58:30

same position but says he started that job in December of 1999 remember on the

58:35

Kansas form he said he began that job in January of 99 a discrepancy of almost a

58:41

year also on that form he doesn't even list the observership then on the fcvs

58:48

records Fox Chase isn't mentioned at all so we contacted Fox Chase Cancer Center

58:53

to see if they could provide us exact dates when aako was there and we were

58:59

told quote no one recalls anyone by that name and we don't usually sponsor

59:04

Observer ships in surgical pathology so we asked a double check and we were told

59:10

quote he was not in the surgical Pathology Department at any time back to

59:15

Kansas again where in June of 2008 aago tells the Kansas Board of Healing Arts

59:20

he has never been denied a license to practice except according to the state of Louisiana he had 3 months earlier

59:28

also find that he was denied a license in Louisiana on his application to Indiana now one last trip back to Kansas

59:35

where the Kansas Board of Healing Arts tells us they do not allow applying doctors to supply their medical

59:41

transcripts themselves we were told quote official transcripts must be provided SL verified generally the

59:49

Federation credentials verification service so back we went to the fcvs

59:55

where we found that they after several attempts were unable to obtain the transcripts from AI ago's medical school

1:00:02

in Nigeria so why does this matter because the determinations made by forensic Pathologists help guide

1:00:08

criminal cases they help determine if something criminal occurred that led to a death was it a suicide a homicide and

1:00:14

they're often called to testify under oath about their findings they have to be credible after all juries will use

1:00:20

parts of their testimony to determine guilt or innocence and Dr AI ago's record certainly raised question

1:00:26

questions for some raise concern all those things are red flags that should

1:00:32

suggest to you me and the defense attorney that this expert is not

1:00:39

qualified and aago did testify in homicide cases so we asked Monet whether

1:00:44

what we uncovered could have any impact on those cases all Now Heard by juries

1:00:50

more than a decade ago you've got to be able to demonstrate to the court three

1:00:56

things number one that the testimony provided by the expert as here is in

1:01:04

fact false that the

1:01:10

prosecution knew it was false and that the perjured testimony

1:01:18

was material which moned says is a complex uphill battle that has limited

1:01:24

possibilities of success for any one hoping for a new trial so if you were

1:01:29

one of those defense attorneys what are you thinking at this point and then what do you say and and and then you've got

1:01:34

to make a decision about whether to contact your client and suggest that an

1:01:39

additional action may be an in order on his or her behalf so now removed by

1:01:45

years the question maybe not what can be done but maybe what needs to be done

1:01:51

organize a panel to review all the cases

1:01:57

in which the suspect uh expert testified and reviewed

1:02:03

them to see if there are convictions that ought to be set aside and I applaud all the prosecutors that have done that

1:02:10

and uh there's no reason to think that wouldn't happen here do you think it should happen here based on what I've

1:02:17

seen so far yes it certainly seems like this should be reviewed by a prosecutorial Authority a similar

1:02:23

thought to that of Bob Ray who says may never get the answers to his questions about his cousin's death but he may very

1:02:31

well not be the only person with questions so I feel that any autopsy report that adig has ever conducted

1:02:38

needs to be reexamined I was eventually able to reach Dr aago at the hospital where he works in Indiana I shared with

1:02:45

him what I'd found he says administrators at Fox Chase Cancer Center in Philadelphia may not remember

1:02:51

him because he wasn't there very long he also says at the time he applied for a license in Kansas

1:02:56

he didn't know he'd been denied a license in Louisiana since leaving Kansas Dr aago has continued working as

1:03:02

a forensic pathologist with no record of censure or infraction that I could find the real question how was a doctor with

1:03:09

the inconsistent records that we found able to receive a license in Kansas I took that question the Kansas Board of

1:03:15

Healing Arts that granted the license they tell me the AMA confirmed aago education and even though they also tell

1:03:22

me they require the medical school a doctor attends to VI his records they accepted notorized copies from aago

1:03:29

himself and a certificate from the educational commission for foreign medical graduates finally they tell me

1:03:34

that our investigation raises new factual allegations that they are now addressing but that Kansas law prohibits

1:03:41

them from talking about their investigation with me unless the board files a petition for discipline for

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FactFinder 12 I'm Alex wow yeah I mean those organizations

1:03:54

fat fund at 12 they spend all that time all those resources and and that money to do that investigation if there wasn't

1:04:02

clear discrepancies and clear issues and yeah just from that eight minute clip which I'll leave a link to if people

1:04:07

want to um share that or look into it further yeah just goes to show that there was some you know serious sketchy

1:04:15

Behavior going on with this pathologist and we were already well aware of that sketchy Behavior

1:04:21

throughout our previous trials how he was leaving the country basically Bally well okay 2019 he wasn't leaving the

1:04:28

country he wasn't coming into the country 2016 he was leaving the country one day after testimony the very next

1:04:33

day 2014 he was leaving the country one day after testimony he was always scheduling himself to be out of the

1:04:39

country I think he was concerned about something being exposed and that before

1:04:45

any legal action could take place against him that he was in a different jurisdiction where they wouldn't have access to him that's what it appears to

1:04:51

be but maybe it's just coincidence I don't know but it was just a a pattern that was emerging and that finally when

1:04:57

we were able to get him into Canada in 2019 for the trail rather than CCTV um he was being escorted by two

1:05:06

plain closed um RCMP at any given time they would go to the bathroom with him

1:05:11

everything he would not be unattended so there was something much deeper going be

1:05:17

uh going on behind the scenes here in relation to what he was aware of and what he probably knew the potentiality

1:05:23

could be of consequences for his egregious actions over the years

1:05:30

of how many I mean how many people did he criminalize that weren't criminals how many people did he let go free based

1:05:36

on bad autopsy a reports that should have been criminals that should have you know suspects are going off scott freak

1:05:43

the whole of it was just so dirty and this really had such phenomenal

1:05:49

implications because if it came out that he actually wasn't a doctor you've got

1:05:56

the state of Kansas the state of Indiana on the hook you've got Alberta on the hook and we're talking for tens or

1:06:02

hundreds of millions of dollars worth of lawsuits like our lawsuit alone would have been in the tens of Millions for

1:06:08

what they did to us um you know they career destroying tactics and all this type of stuff everything it it

1:06:16

absolutely it didn't it impacted every single area of our life yeah every single area of our life friends family

1:06:24

finances um mental health I mean obviously and I'm just glad that hey we got products

1:06:30

here to help us because I don't know how we would have got through all of this when you've got the media spewing

1:06:36

garbage and literally you have dozens of death threats coming in on a regular basis because of what the media is

1:06:43

saying you're starting to question Your Existence a little bit and say all right right how are we going to get through

1:06:48

this and this is all based off of the false it all began with the false autopsy or the falsified autopsy that

1:06:55

bad ad ad put out in relation to

1:07:01

Ezekiel so this is going on behind the scenes and so what a beautiful thing

1:07:09

because we now fast forward so we got March 2021 Alberta appeal court comes

1:07:15

out with this terrible decision and they're throwing us back for a third trial we're appealing to Supreme Court we're now strung thin preparing for the

1:07:22

third trial and supreme court June 2021 rolls around and I remember exactly what

1:07:29

happened we're here hanging out we decided we're going to go down to the reservoir you know Drive eight minutes

1:07:34

down the road take the family there we're going to go swimming and myself and Colette didn't do any swimming because just as we get

1:07:41

there the kids are piling out of the vehicle we get a phone call from our lawyers saying that the uh Crown has

1:07:50

just stayed the charges and I'm thinking why what just happened I kind of knew

1:07:55

why because I started to follow this the day before June 21st 2021 bandelli adago

1:08:03

now had his own criminal proceedings scheduled against him you see because in May of 2020 after the credential fraud

1:08:10

investigation opened up in both the state of Kansas and and Indiana um about a week later uh belli adabo went to a

1:08:19

pub and he got drunk like pretty drunk and then he drove his Mercedes

1:08:24

down the road and he rear ended a lady and injured her and ended up with a level five felony in

1:08:31

the state of Indiana and as much as they were trying to drag it out finally a year later they

1:08:37

had his trial scheduled on June 21st 2021 it was going to be scheduled for

1:08:42

September of 2021 and so they finally scheduled it and as soon as they scheduled it the very next day the crown

1:08:48

reaches out and says we're staying the charges why because the entire premise of the charges hinges off of this

1:08:55

falsified autopsy report and it didn't matter how much the appeal courts just propped belli adago

1:09:02

up putting him up on a pedestal saying how prestigious of a doctor he is that meant nothing because here he's he has

1:09:09

charges against him and he has two credal fraud investigations taking place against him at the same time he has no

1:09:15

credibility and so they drop it they don't give us a reason but then they

1:09:20

tell the media in fact actually you know what let's uh I think we have a media article rather than me telling you what

1:09:28

the crown told the media let's see what the crown told the media based on the media we got it

1:09:34

here all right this is a CBC article our lovely crown-owned

1:09:39

um propaganda machine a government funded

1:09:45

um web or not web newscaster here in Canada okay um were facing a third trial

1:09:52

so David and Colette Stefan were facing a third trial in the death their son so if we scroll down there uh just real

1:09:58

briefly so to the Highlight that David and Colette Stefan were accused of not seeking medical attention sooner for their 18-month old son um Sean Buckley a

1:10:06

lawyer for the stefins said Tuesday he received a letter from the crown about the decision the crown dropped the

1:10:11

charges Buckley told the Canadian press um I don't want to read too much I want

1:10:17

to see where the okay here it is so so about four down it has been more than 9

1:10:22

years since the child passed away and the available evidence has deteriorated since the previous two

1:10:29

trials the service said in an email late Tuesday or the crown said okay so Crown

1:10:35

prosecution sends it out so it's been more than nine years since Ezekiel passed away and available evidence has

1:10:42

deteriorated now the visual that this gives the public is that oh wow like you

1:10:47

have heat strips or something like you know how you get you print out on a receipt and it deteriorates over time

1:10:53

it's almost like or maybe somebody SP their coffee on on the only copy and we had no digital copies of the evidence

1:10:59

right like this evidence has been strewn all over the place nothing's

1:11:05

deteriorated if one deteriorated coffee got spilled on one I mean there's there's a hundred to replace it somewhere right yeah like this has gone

1:11:11

through the hands of so many people it's laughable what in essence they're communicating is that the evidence

1:11:17

hasn't deteriorated that The credibility of their star witness has completely deteriorated and that they have no way of getting that evidence into court

1:11:25

now they could have hired another pathologist to go and review it and to qualify it and to put his rubber stamp

1:11:31

on it and say I'm willing to back it but it appears that no other pathologist was willing to put

1:11:37

themselves out on that limb this is this is a career suicide Venture it is so out

1:11:45

on a limb his findings of the autopsy were not founded in science he has no

1:11:52

leg to stand on no other pathologist is going to back him up and so they had to they had to stay the charges as much as

1:11:59

they wanted to get that precedent through in Canada they had to stay the charges our miracle happened

1:12:07

absolutely so now we have a decision we going to stop going to the Supreme Court or not we decide to continue on why

1:12:15

because now it's not about um bringing back our acquittal are not guilty

1:12:20

verdict but it's also um this is mainly now about rights

1:12:26

and freedoms here in Canada because that precedent that egregious precedent in Alberta still stands from the top courts

1:12:33

in Alberta that now has sway all across Canada it'll be taken with significant weight so we continue on with the

1:12:39

Supreme Court um but what a what a weight lifted off

1:12:45

of our chest yeah and seriously what a miracle like we had very little idea of what was actually taking place behind

1:12:50

the scenes um back in May of 2020 it wouldn't be till a little bit later on

1:12:55

that Bobby Ray is reaching out to us and saying look this is what's taking place you're going to want to watch this uh

1:13:01

and see what's going on and so here we're in a in an

1:13:07

incredible uh debt of gratitude to Bobby Ray for doing what he's doing now

1:13:13

there's a Twist though an interesting twist that takes place you see

1:13:20

before the appeal court did this dirty February 20

1:13:25

2021 I get a phone call from Bobby Ray and he says Hey the

1:13:31

RCMP no no no sorry the Calgary police have reached out to me and they're

1:13:37

saying that I need to come in that the crown uh instructed the the police to phone to phone me right or that yeah and

1:13:45

to tell me to come in um and that they're going to arrest him for criminal

1:13:53

harassment of Dr badell adago and that he needs to bring all of the evidence

1:14:00

that he has with him on badell

1:14:06

adago okay you remember that evidence that stack of evidence yeah going back anyways that big stack there right so a

1:14:13

few hundred pages of evidence he needs to bring that in with them and Supply it to them when you know exactly what

1:14:19

they're doing they know what's going on they know they found out that the the

1:14:25

credential fraud investigation is happening down the states they know that badell IO is on charges now for a level

1:14:30

five felony in the state of Indiana the crown is seeking for that evidence to find out how big of a

1:14:38

landmine that they've just stepped on right they need to they need to find this

1:14:43

out he phones me and says what do I do said don't turn yourself in do not turn

1:14:50

yourself in um in fact you need to go and you need to consult with with a lawyer on this matter but I said they

1:14:58

haven't come and arrested you because they don't have the evidence against you they're wanting you

1:15:04

to go in and they're wanting to you to supply all this evidence that they can begin to spin and twist it already and

1:15:10

come up with a narrative on how to get themselves out from underneath this said don't do it so he did consult with the

1:15:15

lawyer and the lawyer repeated the same thing don't turn yourself in let them come and get you and make backup copies

1:15:22

of all of that evidence so he did that's how got my hands on it backup copies now I also got copies a digital copy of a

1:15:30

voicemail that was left on Bobby Ray's voicemail that was really interesting

1:15:35

what happened is according to Bobby Ray he tells me this he says bad Deli adago phoned me out of the blue and started

1:15:42

reaming me out and I said how did you get my number don't ever phone me again

1:15:47

and then I hung up on him so then bad Deli at dieago phones back again and

1:15:53

Bobby Ray doesn't answer it so he lets to go to voicemail and badell Ado leaves this this Tade just rant just angry rant

1:16:02

on Bobby Ray's voicemail so it's interesting Bobby Ray

1:16:08

doesn't want to have communication with badell Ado and badell [ __ ] is phoning him

1:16:16

repeatedly and just reaming into him and yet they're going to charge Bobby Ray

1:16:21

for criminal harassment of bad Deli adago when all the evidence actually suggests the opposite I wouldn't say to

1:16:28

the point of criminality but that if there is any harassment it's coming from Batel yabo not Bobby Ray so that was

1:16:36

interesting so Bobby Ray continues on doing what he's doing and exposing what was going

1:16:43

on with badel diabo and that news clip that we viewed there FactFinder 12 comes

1:16:48

out I believe it was December 2021 well I'm in contact with Bobby Ray about once every month or two just to

1:16:55

get the the lowdown as to where the criminal proceedings are with badell at the IBO because he's keeping a real uh

1:17:03

watch on it and it's not that easy to find like the information is not readily available and there was only one

1:17:08

Canadian news article there was one CBC article that came out talking about badell Ado's charges for drunk driving

1:17:16

there's almost nothing on him they have the media has gone silent even though

1:17:22

this is a major turn to this whole s a uh major twist that's newsworthy they're

1:17:28

not covering it so FactFinder 12 covers this they're the only mainstream news

1:17:33

source to do so I go to phone Bobby Ray a month after

1:17:38

that that uh FactFinder 12 comes out I can't get a hold of them so I leave in voicemail okay it's not terribly

1:17:44

uncommon I'll get him you know maybe half the time whatever I leave voicemail he gets back to me within a day or two

1:17:51

nothing pH back a couple weeks nothing hey this is is weird talked to my

1:17:56

brother my brother had been working with him too hey have you heard from Bobby Ray no there's some documentary producers that have been producing a

1:18:02

documentary has not uh has not yet come out um I'm not sure where they're at with it actually uh but they had been uh

1:18:08

following us for years since 2018 was the first time that they started recording and they followed us for years

1:18:14

on this matter heavily into 2020 even and um they had been in contact with

1:18:20

Bobby Ray because Bobby Ray became you know a part of the story in relation to

1:18:25

what he was Finding on badel Ado and so they interviewed him so I I I contact them and said hey have you guys heard

1:18:32

from Bobby Ray said no said he seems to be missing and now now we're at a few months that that nobody's heard from

1:18:38

him so we're like hey where is he um can't figure it out thought did they did

1:18:45

somebody kill him like I mean this is a pretty quiet guy lived by himself um he had a job didn't I can't

1:18:53

remember what his employer's name was so I couldn't reach out to him uh to find out what was going on and so for

1:18:59

somebody like him to disappear uh it would be crickets very few people would actually be aware of it and it just it

1:19:07

wouldn't make news you wouldn't find a Miss's report going up on him really or

1:19:12

anything so this twist emerges where I guess

1:19:17

we'll fast forward to it he all of a sudden pops back up now remember this is this is

1:19:24

early 2022 he disappears all of a sudden he pops back up in the media in alternate media sources in late

1:19:33

2023 right turns out that in early

1:19:39

2022 so this is almost a year after the police had phoned him and said that they're going to arrest him and that they were harassing him and that they

1:19:45

phoned him actually a few times tell him to come in um all the way into March of 2021 and I just kept on saying dude take

1:19:51

courage man um I even I even supplied him some supplements for the stress that he was going through and whatnot to help

1:19:56

through it right just keep your head on straight just stay strong they're they're trying to break you so almost a

1:20:03

year later he goes to the RCMP and he's concerned about his own life and based

1:20:09

on some information that he had he he seemed to have good reason to be

1:20:14

concerned for his life um similar to his

1:20:19

cousin what do they do they can't criminally charge him because they didn't have any evidence well there's a

1:20:25

much easier back door to apprehending people here in Canada oh you think your

1:20:31

life is at risk do you huh we're going to throw you in a psych

1:20:36

wward they threw him into a psych ward they threatened him that if he continued

1:20:41

to talk about badell Ado that they would keep him there for two

1:20:47

years they're they this is what he's stating that they're actually threatening him that if he if he keeps

1:20:53

on speaking out of Delo that they're going to keep him in the psych for two years wow he's there for a good chunk of

1:21:00

time and then gets out and then finally goes public again nobody heard from him in that that that period of time nobody

1:21:07

we're all phoning him we're trying to figure things out we're trying to see where things are with with with him and with adbo and all that nothing crickets

1:21:14

because they've they've apprehended him rather than putting him in jail because they didn't have the evidence to do so they throw into a psych

1:21:20

board and I know Bobby Ray and I I know Mental Health because it's what my life has been for

1:21:27

21 years Bobby Ray is an individual who is

1:21:33

under a lot of stress but he was also taking supplements for it I was supplying those supplements he was not a

1:21:39

candidate for a psych wward not even close and yet here they admit him to the psych wward because he has concerns

1:21:46

about his life based on what he's been doing and it's pretty good reason right like this isn't just these conspiracy

1:21:53

movies that you know people disappear and whatnot this is real life right and this type of junk actually happen so

1:22:00

anyways that was an interesting twist to the story We all thought that he was dead we thought that they they that

1:22:07

either that or that they had put him in jail somehow and that the media didn't report a single thing on it right so

1:22:14

yeah really really interesting twist that takes place there in their attempts to shut Bobby Ray up about badel Yago

1:22:24

and the reason reason being is they were going to try to cover up the whole badell Ado incident the whole corruption

1:22:32

the whole issue and if those credential fraud investigations deemed that he was not in fact a doctor which the evidence

1:22:39

is more supportive of that would open up such a can of worms f as states that they have a

1:22:44

vested interest to not find or come to that that conclusion yeah because

1:22:50

lawsuits both the state of Indiana and the state of Kansas would be on the hook so

1:22:55

guess what they didn't find they didn't find that there was any credential fraud investig or credential

1:23:01

fraud how interesting right and yet the black and white have gone through the

1:23:07

files there's something there's some funny business going on and it it smells like fraud like it's pretty interesting

1:23:15

so anyways that was an interesting twist to the whole story of what they did to Bobby Ray I'm just glad to to see his

1:23:21

face out and about again though because uh we were all concerned we were all really concerned that that they had

1:23:28

taken him and offed him or something like that like but they didn't they just shoved him into a psych wward for a long

1:23:35

time yeah and he plays a critical role in this story especially with the with the ff12 investigation the the video we

1:23:42

just saw that news story you know with

1:23:47

his hesitancy on the pathological report from do [ __ ] and his brother you know

1:23:53

like I don't think I've heard too many suicides of people who burn themselves alive in their own car like who's that

1:24:00

that's so suspicious and obviously Bobby Ray probably knew him better than anybody and you know you mentioned about

1:24:06

the the good opportunity in regards to finance and business that he had yeah it's very very interesting that that um

1:24:16

Bobby Rave this really interesting character kind of like comes into the story comes out of it but what a pivotal

1:24:22

role he plays in regards to your court case future true hope you

1:24:28

know it might seem like a little bit of a a tiny part to play but it's ends up being huge huge hey it's it's why I'm

1:24:36

not behind bars right now like legitimately like I don't know maybe different Miracle would have happened I

1:24:41

don't know I mean hey like we've seen Miracles I mean the very fact that true hope came out is a miracle it's an answer to prayer so we've seen that

1:24:48

we've seen that that there is a father in Heaven who answers prayers when we

1:24:53

earnestly seek um and that's the whole basis for for True hope um a desperate father seeking

1:25:00

for answers for his children so they don't go the down the road that their mother and that their grandfather went down that led to suicide and answers are

1:25:07

given in really interesting ways right um and very profound answers of that and

1:25:15

so it was you know it was a miracle that we needed though because that that third

1:25:21

trial was not going to be a trial that that was going to be won right like first of we've already seen how many corrupt judges we finally got

1:25:28

one good judge right the chances that you're going to get a good judge who's going to act justly in a situation like

1:25:33

this almost next to nothing right and then now they're cutting out the knees

1:25:38

as to what evidence we can bring forward that compromises our defense significantly compounded with the fact

1:25:45

that we still are missing evidence that we never received the full evidence so um he played a significant role in in

1:25:51

helping to provide that Miracle like complete answer to prayer that all of a sudden their whole case falls apart around them otherwise that would be the

1:25:59

end of David Stefan story with true hope at least for a few years it' still be a couple years yet probably that uh that

1:26:04

they would have uh tucked me behind bars me and my wife and then you know our children would be living in different

1:26:11

circumstances um under the care of other people other than their parents right who love them the most yeah who knows

1:26:19

what could have happened if if that if Bobby Ray didn't didn't intervene and get involved quite quite aable okay yeah

1:26:26

so crazy turn of events why don't you tell us a little bit more about because while this is all going on and the the

1:26:32

um the crown is holding for a year like you know staying staying those charges

1:26:38

you still have the Supreme Court application appeal going on so why don't you tell us a little bit about how that

1:26:44

went yeah so we're still pushing forward with that uh once again to get the law

1:26:50

um rectified so that there wasn't this precedent that you know parents can go

1:26:55

to jail for not vaccinating right so that's really what we're pushing forward with and we're hoping to hear something

1:27:02

back like sooner than later and you know the last time that we had gone to Supreme Court we made an application in

1:27:08

November of 2017 and by May 15th 18th I think of 2018 May 15th

1:27:17

of 2018 we're in the Supreme Court so not very many months right so we're talking like a total of six months for

1:27:24

that time so now we make an application in April of 2021 we're hoping that you know

1:27:32

we'll be into the fall session of uh 2021 with them we're not so then we hear

1:27:37

word though that um uh by December of 2021 that they were

1:27:44

appointing three judges three of the Supreme Court Justices to review uh the

1:27:50

application so that's that's taking it pretty seriously so they're really looking at it because typically uh one

1:27:55

would look at it and say ah not not a big case whatever get you know not relevant doesn't really impact Canadian

1:28:02

law and so and at this point in time the Supreme Court is accepting one out of

1:28:07

every 10 applications that are brought forward to them because there's only one courtroom there's only one set of

1:28:13

Supreme Court Justices there's nine of them and so they can only accept so many

1:28:20

cases every year so they take the most serious cases the cases that will actually help to shift law or clarify

1:28:27

law quite often so anyways we're expecting by January of 2022 to hear

1:28:32

something that maybe they're going to accept it we're going to maybe be there by you know April May type of thing

1:28:37

again to to go there and we're not hearing anything and we're still not hearing anything and it's just being delayed and we're thinking what's going

1:28:44

on finally August 2022 rolls around and we got the notice they turn it down

1:28:51

which was really disheartening because we were really hoping like Colette and

1:28:56

myself were really hoping especially after spending all that money as well like we just put in a lot of money into

1:29:02

the uh Supreme Court applications and whatnot tens of thousands of dollars again we were really hoping that that

1:29:08

would help solidify uh Canadians rights U medical

1:29:13

Choice parental parental rights in Canada that they would use that to

1:29:19

basically stop this egregious uh agenda from moving forward

1:29:24

um but it didn't happen and so I remember you know just like we're were on the phone with sha and and Jason the

1:29:33

lawyers and I remember just like this feeling like I don't even know what my

1:29:38

purpose is I feel like I'm a Warrior without a war like now what what the

1:29:44

whole thing's done this has been you know 10 years of our life at this point in time and all it it ends on that note

1:29:51

like just Fizzles out now what do I do right like now what battle am I going to fight because we all have our ADV that

1:29:57

we need to be climbing right and what this is just a principle a h in in human behavior is that when somebody doesn't

1:30:04

have challenges in their life they'll actually create challenges and so just take a look at the most dramatic people around you and it's because their life

1:30:11

is somewhat boring right typically because they actually need to create a challenge we have an innate need to be

1:30:17

doing something to be conquering something right and that could be as simple as you're you're tilling the ground outside and you're planting seeds

1:30:24

it's your garden what it could be that challenge we have to we're we're beings of progress we need to be constantly

1:30:29

doing something to progress right we all have those mountains to climb and so I felt like I mean that was that was the

1:30:36

battle that was my challenge for so many years that was really kind of filling that need amongst the fact that we were helping grow true hope and you know make

1:30:43

major Headway that way but you know now we're into covid and things have really

1:30:48

settled down and now my major challenge in life has been removed just thinking now what

1:30:54

right yeah I I really want people to understand what you were trying to accomplish with that supreme court

1:31:00

hearing because there's quite clearly an agenda from the crown the government Health

1:31:08

Canada to have an example of negligent parents on the death or injury of a

1:31:14

child where vaccination or a specific medication would have saved saved

1:31:20

somebody's life if they're able to do that then they are able to bring in significant legislation

1:31:28

law to say you have if you have this child in Canada you have to have them

1:31:34

vaccinated you have to have this schedule of medications in order to be involved in society and once that

1:31:42

happens I mean it's a part of there are states in the US where if you want your child to go to school you absolutely

1:31:49

100% must have the the upto-date schedule of vaccines and I think that if you're

1:31:56

somebody who wishes to have choice and medical Freedom then you you need to be

1:32:03

able to stand up stand up for those rights and I believe that's what what you wanted to do because we've had we've

1:32:09

had the conversation on multiple times during this incredible series that there was no precedence for the vaccine

1:32:16

conversation during your trial and that's why sha was like they can't bring that up because there's no precedence

1:32:22

for it but there has to be that first case right and I I honestly believe that

1:32:28

um Health Canada will see when we we're going to watch some videos in the future now that they are looking for a case

1:32:35

that they can use to begin legislation to mandate drugs mandate medications and

1:32:42

eradicate Natural Health Options because they're so incredibly dangerous and if somebody's using that then they're not

1:32:47

using the life-saving medications and pharmaceuticals that are out there and available so I just want people to

1:32:53

recogn recogniz that what you were attempting to do wasn't about you it wasn't about kette it wasn't about your

1:32:58

kids it was about literally every parent in in Canada having the ability to

1:33:07

choose medications or non-m medications or natural means for their children

1:33:12

which you know I'm a parent and you're having to make these choices for these

1:33:17

people these these small people that can't do it for them and it's a big responsibility and you know if you're not doing your homework and if you you

1:33:23

know if you you're not doing your due diligence in regards to like what you should be doing what you shouldn't be doing whatever whatever choice you make

1:33:31

it's a choice but at the end of the day like if you don't have a choice then

1:33:37

what are you we're just slaves to the system and you've just got youve just got government controlling your children you might as well get your government to

1:33:43

choose what they watch what they wear what they eat you know like it's such a huge important topic so that's where

1:33:49

we're going that's where we're going really that that parents are becoming just caregivers under the direction of the

1:33:56

government right that that's really the battle that we're fighting here um to to

1:34:01

further clarify they weren't necessarily looking for a case to create law off of like

1:34:09

through legislation see be the public health agency of Canada came out um I think

1:34:15

it's about two decades ago now with a with an article stating that they can't mandate vaccines in Canada based on the

1:34:23

con Constitution so somehow our constitution or the Constitution Act is stronger in Canada in relation to

1:34:29

matters of vaccination than the US Constitution is because they can mandate them down there so and don't get me

1:34:35

wrong they've been bending the rules and seeing how they can bend the rules for a long time now um trying to push that but

1:34:41

they couldn't come up with legislation to say you have to get vaccinated or your children to get vaccinated so this

1:34:47

was the law though it wasn't a compulsory law it was just a

1:34:54

a law that would put people into a state of fear that would then compel them to to vaccinate their children that the law

1:35:02

was being established through the courts not through legislation but now taking this very ambiguous charge of failing to

1:35:09

provide necessaries of life which is a real hybrid type law it it does not fall

1:35:15

into the same box as all the other criminal um infractions or or anything

1:35:20

else found in the criminal code of Canada because it it's not about men's Reus and Actis

1:35:26

Reus it's about also applying this reasonably prudent parent test that's based on societal standards so you not

1:35:34

only have to determine that the act happened and that there was a mind for it but that also exists within societal

1:35:40

Norms which is no other real criminal infraction employs that type of test so

1:35:45

it's a strange law that that Parliament put into place and and the judges discussed that in our cases about that

1:35:53

and so they were looking to set a precedent that would put parents into a state of fear that they would go and get

1:35:59

vaccinated not because by law that they had to but because if something happened that they could be in trouble with the

1:36:06

law so it's kind of a backwards type thing that because we can't put legislation in to mandate vaccines we're

1:36:11

g to scare the heck out of you so that you go and get vaccines right it's really what it was and it it was

1:36:17

absolutely dirty so so just to kind of really characterize you know that that whole situation that's yeah you're right

1:36:24

that's exactly what we were trying to prevent we were trying to prevent other parents who may not have been as well

1:36:31

equipped who may not have been as mentally stable to be able to handle these types of of hard situations we

1:36:38

were trying to prevent other parents from going through the same crisis that we went through because we were we were

1:36:45

incredibly blessed don't get me wrong it was really tough for us really tough um and people are going to learn more about

1:36:50

that uh with with what this upcoming in the next month here what we're going to see across Canada you're going to have a

1:36:56

bit of a deeper look into how our lives were during that time but um we just

1:37:02

want to prevent other parents from not having to go there because they might not have the financial resources to get

1:37:07

a lawyer um they might not have the mental capacity to endure that type of situation they might fold and help to

1:37:14

further establish this negative precedent against parental rights in Canada so we just want to kind of nip it

1:37:19

in the bud that was really what our goal was that's right and kind of going forward with our

1:37:26

timeline here we kind of focus a little bit more on on true hope Canada and and the business the company um you want to

1:37:33

maybe introduce us a little bit in regards to like Health Canada's introduction to our incredible company

1:37:39

well everybody knows Health Canada's introduction in in October of 2000 after the first study came out and it made

1:37:45

national news showing that our um Empower plus was over three times more effective uh for the treatment of

1:37:50

bipolar than anti-depressants were um that was initial introduction but then they disappeared for a while they kind

1:37:56

of disappeared during the whole issue that we were having now over the death of Ezekiel but now the Supreme Court

1:38:02

remember they they they turn us away August 2022 I'm left thinking what's our next battle all of a sudden in October

1:38:09

of 2022 Health Canada rears their ugly head again and they come at us and they

1:38:17

start to heavily critique our website which is sharing completely Tru ful material a

1:38:24

lot of it too because we have a lot a lot of backing over over time a lot of researchers have gotten involved in the

1:38:29

studies of the Empire plus and other or other products so you know they come and

1:38:35

they they start to critique and say you can't have this on your website you can't have this on your website and so

1:38:40

I'm Consulting with our regulatory um officer if you will within

1:38:47

within our company and I'm saying hey um what do we do about this he says well let me I'm going to get back to them and

1:38:53

the need to parize it a little bit more so I'm going to ask some questions well they disappear like some questions are

1:38:58

asked you know what do you mean like what why why does this have to be removed or whatever they disappear for a while but then they come back in the

1:39:05

spring of 2023 with some more recommendations and finally it comes to

1:39:11

a head by May of 2023 where we had to make some decisions you see the problem

1:39:18

is they they've locked down the whole Natural Health product industry to the degree that they control

1:39:26

it that if you were to oppose them it's as simple as this they pull your license

1:39:32

and now you can't get it manufactured in Canada because the manufacturers are very compliant because they're under

1:39:39

threat as well they're very compliant to health Canada so if you're if you're asking them to manufacture for you a

1:39:44

non-licensed product they don't want to put their neck out on the line with health Canada and get shut down um like

1:39:51

we've seen done uh over the last couple years we've actually seen it and so they don't want to do that and so okay you

1:39:58

can say well I'll go get a manufactured in the US yeah well it doesn't get to cross the border unless it has a license

1:40:03

and if they pull your license which can literally be like that gone your your license is currently suspended until

1:40:10

further notification or further review whatever you can't sell a product you can't get it manufactured uh the health

1:40:17

food stores are not legally allowed to sell it right they'll they'll be liable

1:40:22

for fines and you know just down the road now we're down the road uh last year there was a health food store that

1:40:28

got fined for having 17 different products out of you know they probably had I don't know probably 500 products

1:40:34

maybe six I don't know like it's probably between five and 100 a thousand like there's a lot of products in that store they had 17 of them didn't have an

1:40:41

npn they got fined and the News made a big hoo-ha about it to scare everyone else into compliance so that's the that

1:40:48

is the environment that the Natural Health Community finds themselves in in Canada right now Health Canada has full

1:40:55

control over it so we had to make a decision do we want to protest Health

1:41:01

Canada um ridiculous and you'll get to see how

1:41:06

ridiculous it is in just a moment their ridiculous requests at the risk of losing our

1:41:12

license and not being able to help thousands of Canadians so we had to make a decision

1:41:19

so we made I think we I think we made the best decision myself um where uh you

1:41:24

know let's pull up Trop Canada to see how we approach their their requests and

1:41:30

whether or not you know because one of the things actually you know what three of the things three of the main things

1:41:35

and and I'll get into this one last that they that they made issue with was uh

1:41:40

there was a video an intro video and in fact it was you Simon that was was the um the the voice and the face of that

1:41:47

video talking about Empower plus the science behind it what it was helping with the anxiety the depression blah

1:41:53

blah blah and they took issue with that and so that was the one thing that you had to pull that was on the homepage and

1:41:59

then there was the testimonials now these are real live people that are submitting these testimonials um sharing

1:42:06

their experiences that's it it's sharing real life experience they're not being paid um they might have gotten a bottle

1:42:13

or two of EMP power plus maybe in some of the situations for you know sharing their story to help other people um but

1:42:20

these aren't paid actors they're not making up stories uh we're literally just going in and interviewing them or

1:42:25

they're submitting these these testimonials and health Canada takes issue with that yeah right the third

1:42:31

thing was we have 35 medical journal Publications coming from independent university studies from around the

1:42:38

world we share those 35 medical journal Publications to allow Canadians to look

1:42:43

at this and say hey you know what it was studied on ADHD this was the the findings maybe that work for my ADHD hey

1:42:50

great I I'm now operating with informed consent so now what we see here as you're scrolling down

1:42:58

is the Canadian public does not have access to those medical journal Publications at least not from the

1:43:05

Canadian website of true hope but there's probably another website or two out there that you can find those

1:43:11

studies but not within the jurisdiction of Canada because Health Canada does not want you to be able to see those so we

1:43:18

censor it rather than just deleting them removing that whole page we censor it and then we we give give an introduction

1:43:24

as to why so maybe show a little bit of that video there I think that people get a good picture as to what how we address

1:43:31

this censorship a topic that's been on the tip of our tongues here in Canada over the past three years and yet within

1:43:38

Canada is nothing new you see over 22 years ago groundbreaking research came

1:43:43

out of the University of Calgary that had initially been done on the Empire Plus for the treatment of bipolar

1:43:49

disorder it was so groundbreaking that CT national news picked it up and it

1:43:54

went all across Canada showing that there was a New Hope for sufferers of

1:44:00

bipolar disorder in medical news tonight there is new reason for optimism for sufferers of bipolar disorder a

1:44:07

condition that causes manic depression and a condition that affects hundreds of thousands of Canadians according to

1:44:14

findings of a small study presented today to the Canadian Psychiatric association a combination of vitamins

1:44:20

and minerals May alleviate the disorder debilitating symptoms the very next day

1:44:26

Health Canada phoned my father and asked him who gave you

1:44:31

permission to speak on National Television last night about what you've been doing with these vitamins and

1:44:38

minerals at the same time the Alberta Government was funding $544,000 into a double blind Placebo

1:44:46

controlled trial to further substantiate the effects that these vitamins and minerals would have in correcting

1:44:52

various Mental Health health conditions Health Canada shut that study down preventing the progress of Science and

1:44:59

ultimately preventing you as an individual and the general public from having access to this very meaningful

1:45:06

information that would allow for you to make informed choices fortunately the research

1:45:13

continued across the world in various universities to the point now that there's 35 medical journal Publications

1:45:21

on the Empower Plus demonstrating its effects from over two dozen studies on various mental health

1:45:29

conditions conditions like anxiety and autism and Aspergers major depression

1:45:37

bipolar psychosis helping to heal from traumatic brain injury and also alleviating the

1:45:46

detrimental effects of PMS all right I think uh I think we get the

1:45:52

picture there is to um you know really conveying how we approached Health

1:45:57

Canada's uh demands and and that's what they were because you said recommendations in the email but it was

1:46:04

it was very clear and they they they went through with a fine tooth comb I think they probably spent quite some

1:46:09

time on it with their team about social media posts and those um the research journals and yeah the the fact that we

1:46:16

were not allowed to share testimonials from the public of Canada sharing their

1:46:23

quite unique beautiful um vulnerable stories with with people it you know

1:46:30

that's that's not censorship of true Canada that's censorship of of the general public and you're not living in a free Democratic Society when that is

1:46:37

being when that is happening and um yeah I'm glad that we took the position as a company is to expose Health Canada's

1:46:45

Ridiculousness in regards to yeah trying to stop Canadians having access to our

1:46:51

research to make inform to decisions as you say like this is peerreview research this is Top Class um Quality research

1:46:59

done with government money you know this is not like true hope Canada spending millions and millions and millions of of

1:47:05

dollars creating um um control trials that gives us the results we want you

1:47:12

know that that's that's big farmers job that's not us so yeah it was quite remarkable when we got that email

1:47:18

through and then we had to you know we had to take this approach but you know I think this has been up there for yeah

1:47:25

more than more than a year and we've had I have so many people all the time messaging us like wanting act wanting

1:47:31

more and more access to these uh this information and the uh the medical journals that that we do have Avail well

1:47:36

we don't have available but is out there in the The Ether of the internet um I

1:47:42

people are look people are looking for it and they see the censorship that annoys a lot of people and it just makes

1:47:49

them want to dig down the rabbit hole even further you know the iron of all this is that Health Canada you know the

1:47:56

the whole you know perspective that the general Canadian public would have is that you

1:48:02

know they're a government body that's interested in Sciences in relation to

1:48:07

human health no no Health Canada has been at the Forefront of

1:48:14

suppressing the coming forth of um breakthroughs in human Sciences or human

1:48:20

health uh science like they they're at the Forefront of preventing the

1:48:25

discoveries from coming out or if the discoveries come out they're then there to shut it down and to push it out of

1:48:31

the country and that's exactly what they're doing here but you know the the funny part about this is that you know

1:48:37

Health Canada makes those demands and yeah I was too soft in my language before they were not recommendations I was doing Health Canada's job there I

1:48:43

guess by softening it and I shouldn't have be doing that but their demands upon us that really our license was at

1:48:49

risk of we were going to lose our licenses if we didn't to comply to their demands and so we come up with these

1:48:56

videos telling basically the story of what's happening and why these are this stuff is no longer available to you and

1:49:02

then we submit it to them to say is this okay it would in that never heard

1:49:10

anything back from El Canada but here we're we're we're literally exposing

1:49:16

them as to what they're doing um and meeting their demands at the same time

1:49:21

yeah that's right I thought it was just yeah I thought it was fantastic I'm glad that we were able to get the approval

1:49:27

from my father to to take that approach and so anyways here we are

1:49:32

so what's interesting though is that's only the beginning of woes if you will when it comes to the Natural Health

1:49:40

Community because at this point in time Health Canada has just made recommendations that you know it's

1:49:46

costing a lot of money for them to it's not costing them anything let let me be frank here sorry let's go to simple

1:49:53

economics and and government you know constructs here it's costing the taxpayers a lot of

1:50:00

money to run this program that Health can that implemented in January of of 2004 the npn regulations it's costing

1:50:08

tax pairs a lot of money Health Canada comes out with these um recommendations now these are recommendations but

1:50:14

they're basically solidified they make it look like its recommendations let's consult with the industry whatever and

1:50:20

what they're going to do is it's going to be cost recovery so rather than the taxpayers paying directly for health

1:50:26

Canada to operate this very costly and unnecessary uh regul regulatory um

1:50:34

regulations surrounding npns or natural products rather than having the taxpayers directly pay for it they're

1:50:41

going to make the industry pay for it so now the taxpayers rather than paying taxes to health Canada will pay an

1:50:47

increased price for any natural products because all the natural products are going to go up they're going to Skyrocket andice price if they're even

1:50:53

available because a lot of the manufacturers are actually going to remove certain products because it's just not feasible it's not cost

1:51:00

effective to have them because it's too costly to manufacture based on all the licensing fees that they're going to have to pay health Canada so that's

1:51:07

taking place in early 2023 and the whole industry is getting up in arms about it

1:51:13

but then it gets worse you see in June of 2023 they're looking to pass the

1:51:20

liberal government's going to pass the budget bill right all right that hey

1:51:25

great they need a budget clearly they've demonstrated how much they need a budget right I mean their policies have just

1:51:32

driven the economy right down the tube with what they've been doing so hopefully you know this sounds like it'd

1:51:38

be a good thing a budget Bill well Savaged into it sections 500 to

1:51:43

54 they Savage they hide it the fact that they're in the budget bill you

1:51:49

think it's about the budget they take the Natural Health Products and they group them into the same um reg

1:51:57

regulatory Arena as Pharmaceuticals that now puts

1:52:04

manufacturers at high risk of incredible Draconian government

1:52:11

overreach or powers to come in and basically bankrupt them overnight because you know a pharmaceutical let's

1:52:16

say that U you know this is part of their business model they introduce a u a medication right let's say Vio you

1:52:25

know they introduce Vio and you know they're going to make

1:52:31

hundreds of millions off of that drug but they know that there's some issues surrounding that drug and that it's not

1:52:37

safe for human consumption and that people are going to die and oh it causes

1:52:42

you know estimated 100,000 plus deaths during the time that it's out oh

1:52:48

okay that's not good you know that's actually criminal is what that is but no this is just this is just business right

1:52:54

this is pharmaceutical business that's just the name of the game there are inherent risks with pharmaceutical medications and so oh that's too bad

1:53:01

that 100,000 people died right like the size of of the city that we go and shop at the whole City's gone right from uh

1:53:08

in in North America from the consumption of Bio right so they get a

1:53:13

fine but the fine is only for like a few million well they've already put this is

1:53:19

part of their business model they didn't go and spend the hundreds of millions of dollars that they got from from having

1:53:25

that medication in circulation they put off you know a few million dollar slush fund to pay for the issues that would

1:53:33

inevitably Arise at some point in time so they've okay slap on the wrist we made our Millions withdraw the drug ha

1:53:40

you know or we made our tens of millions hundreds of millions whatever right slap on the wrist boom on to the next

1:53:45

one so they get a few million dollar fine it doesn't bankrupt them it's only a small percentage of the profit total

1:53:53

from that medication now apply that to the Natural Health Community

1:53:59

oh you're not compliant with our regulations we're giving you a million

1:54:05

dollar fine do you know what that would do for the average Natural Health

1:54:10

manufacturer in Canada it bankrupt them overnight yeah yep overnight like you're

1:54:17

talking their total you you're talking almost their total profits for a year or uh you know for a whole qu or whatever

1:54:23

they don't have that kind of funding and then to have the the supplement withdrawn at the same time so that they

1:54:28

don't have additional funding coming in it's it's absolutely egregious to apply

1:54:34

the pharmaceutical model which is corrupt because it's a slap on the wrist of the pharmaceutical companies because they're making way more money off of

1:54:41

their patented medications to then go and take that and apply it to the um the Natural Health Community completely

1:54:48

wrong especially for products that aren't killing people and that's where comes down to is they're not killing

1:54:54

people Pharmaceuticals are killing people million dollar fines $5 million fines that's not that's not fit for the

1:55:02

crime right that's not a fit for it at all like that's a slap on the wrist but

1:55:07

now taking low-risk products that aren't killing people and applying that same type of model it's it's there to

1:55:14

bankrupt it's there to destroy the Natural Health Community which they have been attempting like as

1:55:20

we we listed before in earlier episod epis they've been attempting to do that since the 90s they've been looking to

1:55:25

destroy the Natural Health Community here in Canada so they passed this bill in June and the whole industry is up in

1:55:32

arms right like this is bad they just got you know when we fought bill c51 I think that's probably four

1:55:39

episodes ago that we talked about that yeah um maybe five so they just in

1:55:46

essence took Bill c-51 and hit it into the budget bill in June of 2023 and they

1:55:51

got it passed so now the whole thing is up in arms and

1:55:56

um we're trying to fight a few battlefronts at the same time because from one angle they're coming at us with

1:56:03

increased costs that's going to make some products not viable in the marketplace anymore and whatever products are still available are not

1:56:09

going to be economically viable for the average Canadian because one their

1:56:14

economic status is tanked due to what's happened over the last four well goes beyond four years but that's been

1:56:21

accelerated over the past four years they won't be able to afford these

1:56:26

products that are now far more expensive than they previously were and that's just whatever products are still left in

1:56:31

the marketplace but then also the manufacturers are facing risk of we better make sure that we are completely

1:56:37

compliant with health Canada otherwise we're going to be facing some really egregious

1:56:43

fines that's right and well we're we're recording this right now on the 28th of

1:56:50

May and tomorrow is the um vote for a bill c368 which is a private members Bill to

1:56:57

actually take out that c47 or four lines of it anyway um out out of that budget

1:57:04

bill so by the time this comes out which will be Thursday the day after you know if you're listening to this now you will

1:57:10

will know whether or not that that that that vote went through and this is probably a a good time to maybe just share very quickly I could just share

1:57:17

the best the best place possible place to learn more about this and be up to

1:57:23

dat and find out what you can actionably do is to go to nha.org

1:57:29

um such a phenomenal website phenomenal organization with wonderful people um

1:57:34

you can get educated and take action right away and this will be the best place to learn about updates with Shan

1:57:40

Buckley and Co as they do live Zoom calls do q&as so and they don't spam you

1:57:46

of loads of stuff so it's the best place to get involved and sign up to their newsletter and you'll find out all their

1:57:51

information that so I highly recommend um visiting that website and getting

1:57:57

involved getting engaged because yeah this is this is more about this is this is much more than just talking about

1:58:03

Natural Health Products this is talking about freedoms and Liberty and and choice here in Canada absolutely let's

1:58:10

connect some dots there real quick if if people haven't already connected the dots that are the audience that's viewing

1:58:15

this that's Shan Buckley that's running that organization that's the same sea Buckley that you know uh represented

1:58:22

Colette myself in 2016 and in 2014 with the whole vaccine elements the the court

1:58:28

case then came into the picture again in 2019 to help out Colette and then also

1:58:33

represented me under the appeal uh Supreme Court appeal and the Alberta Court appeal uh thereafter in 2020 and

1:58:40

2021 but he's also the lawyer that represented true hope going back to I

1:58:45

think came on as a lawyer in about 2004 for us and he was uh there to assist

1:58:51

with the Vic uh that we had in 2005 that was precedent setting and he was also there

1:58:58

to help alert us to the issues surrounding bill c-51 in 2008 so he's

1:59:03

played a significant role in relation to helping to maintain um Canadians rights to Natural

1:59:12

Health products for the past or for over the past two decades so he he's he's

1:59:18

he's got a lot of skin in the game this is not just a fly by night individual who sees that there's a need out there and can get uh you know end up on a

1:59:24

platform he's he's got skin in the game he's been doing this for a long time it's where his heart is and it's been a

1:59:30

beautiful thing to uh cross paths with him numerous times uh in in significant

1:59:35

ways over the past uh two decades yeah that's right Sean's a phenomenal individual and yeah as you

1:59:42

say he's actually got a very interesting story about how he actually came over from the crown side towards the um

1:59:48

Natural Health um products side and we actually have a couple of episodes he's

1:59:53

been he's probably been about four or five different episodes talking about the nhpa talking about current affairs

1:59:59

and regards to what's going on with with with um Bill c47 and he's also been on

2:00:05

past episodes as well talking about um Health Canada's Antics from decades ago

2:00:11

and um how he actually yeah moved from being um being working with the crown against Natural Health um products and

2:00:18

natural health companies and supplement companies and health food stores to completely switch ins sides once he realized the the corruption and horrific

2:00:25

nature that he was involved in so yeah he's he's an amazing person yeah big shout out to Sean because I know he's

2:00:30

probably gonna be watching this at some point awesome awesome awesome I think we're coming to to basically the the

2:00:37

climax of where we're at today um basically the last the concluding you

2:00:44

know as to what brings us right here right now but it really kind of began um

2:00:50

or yeah anyways took life in September of

2:00:55

2023 right are we good to proceed with that is that where we're at yeah that's exactly where we should be yeah for sure

2:01:01

all right well okay so we comply with health Canada in May of 2023 as you saw

2:01:08

on the website well what's really interesting is that here they're pushing these regulations forward that it's

2:01:14

going to be devastating to the Natural Health Community but they need a reason to do

2:01:20

it and and to my shock I received this video it's shared with me via VIA text I

2:01:28

I received this video it's about a 12 minute video that was on um on YouTube

2:01:33

and it alerted us to the fact that Health Canada was now resurrecting in

2:01:39

September of 2023 they're now resurrecting a false narrative to

2:01:45

provide a rationale as to why these regulations

2:01:50

need to be imposed on the Natural Health Community to protect Canadians so I think you've got

2:01:57

a video there to uh showing the actual Health can yeah absolutely do yeah just goes to

2:02:05

show the the weak and pathetic nature of their argument it's really really unreal and you know if you you've listened to

2:02:11

the whole series of of this um true Hope Family files you'll you'll recognize

2:02:16

what utter nonsense this Health caner Doctor represent talking represent

2:02:23

these products they are generally low risk but they H we had a tragic 19-month-old in Alberta that died

2:02:28

because of using natural Health products instead of treatment for menitis Dr Steve fle in his Emergency Physician um

2:02:36

in Toronto had a patient that was stable on medications for seizures was taken off those medications was put on zinc

2:02:43

went into status epilepticus which is constant seizures and died so it does

2:02:49

happen and so it's it's really the principle is Canadians should be able to they're self- selecting there's no so

2:02:55

they're self- selecting these products they should have the assurance and they're going into a safe Marketplace when they're picking up a product what's

2:03:02

on the label is what's in the bottle what they're claim when what the advertising claims that have been made

2:03:09

are accurate and that the quality of that product that's in that bottle is high quality and it's not going to be

2:03:16

contaminated with bacteria or other things as well that's the principle uh Dr Char I want to go back to one of your

2:03:21

your comments that you made earlier on and you you referenced um some deaths

2:03:27

from um attributed to Natural H uh Health Products one was the

2:03:34

18-month-old uh toddler in Alberta uh I believe it's Ezekiel Stefan that you're

2:03:40

referring to isn't it true that um the situation is different than what

2:03:46

you stating that the the baby didn't pass away from using or taking Natural

2:03:52

Health Products the baby um ultimately passed away because the parents didn't

2:03:58

believe in going to the hospital and they took the baby the baby was very sick and they tried home remedies to try

2:04:05

and get the baby better first um and it wasn't necessarily the death wasn't necessarily attributed to

2:04:12

an a specific Natural Health product isn't that correct so again the the

2:04:17

information that we have is the same as people have in terms of the um of what was was in the news so my understanding

2:04:23

was that um and they were using natural Health Products and natural treatments

2:04:29

instead of like garron instead of antibiotics because the child ended up having bacterial menitis that's what

2:04:36

correct but you can't specifically tie that to one specific Natural Health product that was mislabeled or dangerous

2:04:43

is that correct so the the point I think there was just this was in it was in

2:04:48

relationship to yeah unbelievable hey like that's just um so it's just so

2:04:53

misleading it's unbelievable and that's like the first example she brings up to defend all this all this new legislation

2:05:00

this new law and it's and she's the extent of her understanding of the situ

2:05:06

of Ezekiel situation is what she saw in the media like it's it's

2:05:14

pathetic well I'm going to say that that that's an easy scapegoat for her to just

2:05:19

say oh it was media when we see that Health Canada has their dirty fingerprints on our disclosure dur in

2:05:26

the police files um you know back in 2013 so I think Health Canada knows a

2:05:34

lot more about this than they're leading on to but they're just basically saying oh well that that's the media but what

2:05:39

we do see there is even as well intentioned as that MP was is that he was going off of really bad information

2:05:46

based off of the the news because that's where he was getting his information from as well but at least he saw even

2:05:52

even based on that false premise of what the news had had had reported is that he saw that it was

2:05:59

completely irrelevant and he attempted to get Dr Sharma to retract her statement on a number of occasions and

2:06:06

she refused now what we see there as well when Dr Sharma says you know we had a a 19-month-old Alberta you know child

2:06:13

die toddler or die from you know using natural products and then she goes into the status epileptics uh um the

2:06:20

epileptic situation there as well but then she says the principle and she talks about what the principle of these

2:06:26

regulations are she's completely trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes

2:06:32

those regulations have been in place since 2004 there's nothing what she said there

2:06:38

that everyone would agree with yeah that that does need to happen that somebody buys you know a bottle of this that what's inside of it is actually what's

2:06:45

listed on the label that's already in place we've had that in place for a long

2:06:50

time in in fact more so than than many other countries out there that they actually look at that aspect that it

2:06:56

actually brings a little bit of value to our Natural Health Products that they know that they are going to be top quality right right now naturally The

2:07:03

Marketplace Drive that to be the case that based on reviews and all that type of stuff but um people can't you know

2:07:10

shouldn't have to go and get their products tested at $5,000 a pop just to make sure that you know they can trust

2:07:15

what what's in it is actually what's on the label but we already have all that stuff that she listed all those benefits are already

2:07:22

being done here in Canada and we're regulated to do that so it's not like she's saying these new regulations will

2:07:28

bring that about it's already happened she's pulling the wool over people's eyes comp it's a complete fallacy yes we

2:07:36

we all agree that those principles should be in place when it comes to any packaged product in Canada whether it be

2:07:44

a natural health product or anything else that it's true to form it's what's actually listed on the label is in the

2:07:50

package and nothing more nothing less yeah so complete deceptive so what's

2:07:56

interesting though about this is that they're they resurrecting this false narrative out of the blue again right

2:08:03

all of a sudden it becomes relevant I see this and you can imagine I'm ticked but what was really beautiful

2:08:10

about this is that we already had a remedy that ironically was coming out at at almost the exact same time the

2:08:18

following week would be the launch or release of a docu series called the big

2:08:25

picture and and so that would be bigp pictur movie.com is what where that would be found it's a six-part docu

2:08:32

series and throughout it it actually has our story with all of the evidence being

2:08:37

laid out threaded throughout these these six different episodes showing how

2:08:43

corrupt the system is contrasting it to what the government run media is

2:08:50

reporting on this this case our case versus what the actual truth was right

2:08:57

and so um it the timing couldn't have been better because like oh here are you

2:09:02

going to resurrect this false narrative here's the answer to it and so anyways the six-part docky series was fairly

2:09:09

successful anybody that was watching it most people are binge watching it they you know they'd start at 10 o'clock at night and they'd finish up at like 3 4

2:09:16

in the morning type of thing right um it just was so um comp Hing the the whole

2:09:22

of it the amount of information in there in relation to what the big picture of corruption is that we're facing today

2:09:28

well anyways that brings us kind of here to today um with what has made us so hectic

2:09:35

over the last few weeks that's made it so that we delayed this episode by a full week and what it is is that um

2:09:42

we've got a tour that's coming up and there's been some

2:09:47

um some issues that have Arisen in relation to venues and all that type of stuff um for movie screenings but uh we

2:09:55

are plowing through and we are beginning a tour um we're on May 28th uh as of

2:10:02

June 1st that uh that tour is kicking off a cross country tour where we'll be

2:10:09

starting in Victoria and working our way all the way to Ottawa hitting up every major uh City

2:10:17

in between uh throughout Canada uh to do movie airings or viewings on um this

2:10:26

condensed docy Series where they took the producer took the docky series took our story out of it made it into an 84

2:10:32

minute documentary specific to our situation and called it he titled it the

2:10:38

people versus David and Colette Stefan and I think we have um we probably have

2:10:44

the teaser available don't we we sure do I just wanted to bring out the website first for people so yeah this is the big

2:10:51

pi picture sorry bigp piure mov.com and this is where you can actually watch

2:10:57

the teaser I'll play that in one second but I think it's important to know on the left hand side here you're going to see all the Canadian tour dates and um

2:11:05

as the days go through we'll have the venues put in there but when you see your see your city you'll um very soon

2:11:14

be able to see the um the time and and and venue for those individual showings

2:11:21

that you're going to be personally be at and I think you're going to be doing q&as with with with the director so

2:11:26

that's just awesome so I'm going to I'm just going to play this teaser here because it's very worthwhile watching

2:11:33

make sure the sound's on

2:11:43

yeah it's taking a bit of time here hold on

2:11:51

I'm going to share a different one that I know is ready to

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roll in 2016 I found myself uh pacing back and forth in this small little jail

2:12:17

cell solitary confinement wondering how the heck did I get here when you start putting all the piece of the puzzle

2:12:23

together you you see a real interesting story that emerges an unbelievable story

2:12:29

really please my's Nota my's not

2:12:36

breathing the RN nurse saw the child a day before 911 is called she saw no

2:12:42

reason to say take the child to a doctor or go to emergency or anything like this she did mention the word menitis he ends

2:12:50

up ly declining they live in a rural Place only they say well have we'll just drive to the hospital not far into the

2:12:57

ride he stop breathing again we're driving down the highway really fast and

2:13:03

we meet up with an ambulance and we hand Ezekiel over they're charged with failing to

2:13:11

provide the necessities of life you didn't see a lot of those prosecutions now you do and Alberta is the worst you

2:13:18

know Children's Hospital in calr I get a phone call from the medical examiner's office saying that the autopsy has been

2:13:24

performed and the report is complete and that ezekiel's death was vaccine

2:13:29

preventable they treated him with home remedies including mixtures of maple syrup and horseradish instead of going

2:13:35

to a doctor I mean it was such a high-profile case I don't even want to talk to people about it because the

2:13:41

Press has convinced them this child died of bacteria menitis and these parents were just so outrageous you know trying

2:13:47

to treat bacterial menitis with maple syrup like that wasn't the evidence I was going to commit suicide because I

2:13:55

felt I was a horrible person from reading what the media had

2:14:00

said about me the pathologist that did the autopsy he had received a letter

2:14:06

from the Department of Justice basically suggested Ezekiel died of bacterial menitis now that's highly inappropriate

2:14:13

and why would you do that they were trying to create case law that would allow them to criminalize people who

2:14:19

didn't give their children back vaccines an expert supposed to be impartial he was there to have them convicted and I

2:14:25

had that feeling about a lot of the doctors this is tied for the dirtiest trial I've ever had to experience in my

2:14:36

life the doctor wrote at the bottom in big bold letters I am not involved underline underline not involved in

2:14:49

what oh I've watched that a bunch of times I'll still get a little tingle at the end there such a good

2:14:55

trailer it is and and the movie is is even better although I haven't seen the

2:15:01

the full updated one he he took it and added a bit more to it because there was so much evidence that was left out there

2:15:07

just well as we see from the CH family files here we we've scratched the surface really this is a

2:15:14

comprehensive overview of really the whole story as to how we get here today

2:15:19

with true products and all that and the opposition and the government corruption and all that but realistically if we

2:15:24

were to go into detail even with like some pertinent details that are heart-wrenching and all that I mean we

2:15:29

would go for days on this like even a even a thick book wouldn't do it justice

2:15:36

so um it's it's a pretty comprehensive documentary it's the most comprehensive

2:15:42

source of information at this point in time that encapsulates the truth of what took place with Ezekiel even though

2:15:49

there's far more details to be had um far more compelling evidence it this contains the most pertinent points Allin

2:15:57

one because we've never put out anything on a web page or anything like you'd have to go through and find all these

2:16:02

different articles to really put the puzzle together as to everything that's taking place um this is the best

2:16:08

all-in-one source of the truth of what happened with Ezekiel and the criminal

2:16:15

charges against my wife and I yeah quite phenomenal stuff and just

2:16:21

one more time the big sorry bigp piur mov.com you want to visit there I'll

2:16:27

leave a link to that in the show notes so you can get right there and you know hopefully you can uh you can come along

2:16:33

and watch that yourself in a in a in a in a city near you yeah and and and like

2:16:39

you said earlier we will be there to do Q&A I'll be talking about health freedoms in Canada what we can do to

2:16:44

help ensure them uh to preserve them and so it'll be it'll be not just

2:16:51

I hate to say entertaining it's not really entertainment per se it's quite empowering information all around yeah

2:16:59

um and the current reviews on it from you know a couple viewings that have

2:17:05

taken place as kind of like a test project is that even those who aren't really aware of corruption as to what's

2:17:11

been going on this is a phenomenal documentary that awakens people to know

2:17:17

what has actually been going on here in Canada regardless of the fact that the media has been largely covering it up

2:17:23

working on behalf of the government to really pull the wall over the Public's

2:17:29

eyes yeah and I think considering we've gone through eight eight episodes we've gone through a significant amount of the

2:17:37

the past and the history of true hope Canada and yourself and how it's all

2:17:43

intertwined I think that that movie showing and the things happening with

2:17:51

the nhpa right now these are actionable items that you can go and get involved

2:17:57

in and learn about and watch and be a part of the future of Natural Health Products within Canada and our our

2:18:03

freedoms and our choices to be able to make those decisions for for ourselves and you don't actually have to be a big

2:18:10

supporter of Natural Health Products to potentially recognize that you know it's it's obviously a lot better to have a

2:18:16

choice um going forward so I think yeah checking out the nhpa .org bigp piure

2:18:22

movie.com a really good good places to go to after you know watching this to to

2:18:28

give yourself um I want to say hope and understanding and um I think we've we

2:18:34

spoken about before about human nature in regards to having a battle having obstacles to overcome it's a very

2:18:41

important part of becoming a human being and even if it's going to nhp.org signing up for their newsletter sending

2:18:48

an electronic letter to your MP these things make an incredible difference and that's the reason that

2:18:55

we've had second readings of legislation to go through and eradicate um parts of

2:19:00

um C Bill c47 and that goes to vote tomorrow and you know what we do as individuals will

2:19:09

will certainly help going forward absolutely yeah and we need to

2:19:15

always make sure that we're taking a stand that we're standing for the truth um regardless of of you know how hopeful

2:19:22

or how hopeless the situation looks we have a duty to take a stand for the

2:19:28

truth um and also then to to prepare as well um for what may come to ensure that

2:19:35

uh that our families are looked after I mean that we have duty that Duty as parents and as caregivers and um to just

2:19:42

make sure that we are doing the things that we we ought to be doing but first and foremost standing for the truth

2:19:51

making sure that that truth is being known and making sure that we are helping to protect and preserve that

2:19:56

truth because there are forces that be that seem to hate the truth and would do everything they would they could to

2:20:02

Cloud the truth or to completely eradicate the truth and that's really what this whole battle has been all about is a battle between good and evil

2:20:10

and good is built upon the truth justice is built upon the truth you can't have

2:20:16

Justice without truth these are you know this is a fundamental principle our lives that that we need to make sure

2:20:22

that we are protecting and preserving and holding dearly

2:20:27

to beautiful well said wonderful final words there David thank you very much well that is a wrap for the true Hope

2:20:35

Family files and this incredible eight part podcast series that we've been absolutely thrilled to bring to you it's

2:20:41

been a wonderful project that we've both been involved in and David and his father Tony have been sharing true hope

2:20:47

story for years and we've had this incredible unique opportunity to share that in significant detail because you

2:20:55

know we've had Tony on the show before speaking for you know an hour about the history of true hope but I think by the

2:21:01

time we're done here this could be about 16 hours worth of detailed information about about true hope and the story and

2:21:07

we the individuals who have been watching the show knew a lot about the

2:21:12

true hope previously but they had no idea about the the deception and and the

2:21:18

significant details that that make up the story which is so so impactful so

2:21:23

David thanks so much for being with me through this series I really appreciate your your time your bravery your honesty

2:21:29

and yeah I really appreciate it thank you well thank you Simon for facilitating all this and making this

2:21:36

happen um you're providing a tremendous blessing to many people so thank you oh it's an absolute honor thank you well

2:21:43

that is it for this um for this episode of True Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada that concludes the

2:21:48

true Hope Family files I really hope you enjoyed it please um feel free to share it out with people starting from the

2:21:55

first episode of course um but we've got some amazing episodes lined up in the coming weeks we've got Dr Bonnie Kaplan

2:22:01

coming on to discuss her Incredible Book the the better brain um she's featured predominantly throughout this actual

2:22:07

series we've spoken about Bonnie Kaplan and the research she's done in Calgary um in the past so you should definitely

2:22:13

check that out but that is it from us today we'll see you soon

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