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hello ladies and gentlemen welcome back to this special episode of True Hope cast the official podcast of true hope

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Canada we are into the seventh episode now of the true Hope Family files and this episode is titled Vindication and

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an upright judge enjoy the show hello everybody and welcome back to the true

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Hope Family files this eight part special series here on true Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada

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last week was part six the media gangstalking and Rook the crook today

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though is part seven we've got two episodes left and This Ti this episode is titled Vindication and an upright

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judge of course Mr David Stan is with me today how are you David I'm doing well

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doing doing very well thank you Simon wonderful wonderful yeah it's uh this has been quite the um quite the project

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that we've been working on over the last couple of weeks to to get this out and yeah we're in part seven today so just a

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couple of episodes left and it's going to be a very interesting conclusion but we finished part six with a quite

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emotional irate judge Mr John D Rook the crook can you please um transition us

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from that moment into part seven today yeah yeah so we had we had ended off on

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the last hearing that was taking place before the courts right before trial

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proper and we're saying wait a minute hold on we still haven't got a full

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disclosure there's missing evidence fragments of it in multiple places we have evidence that it exists we knew it

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existed it was relied upon by doctors and they referred to it in other reports

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and yet here we can't get our hands on it and this is crucial evidence we have not yet received a full disclosure to

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date that means a 2016 trial was illegal that means the 2014 preliminary hearing

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was illegal um and that means that this trial that we're about to engage in in 2019 the second trial is illegal there's

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never been a full disclosure and you cannot proceed with criminal proceedings against somebody unless a full

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disclosure has been provided to them for their defense whether or not the crown

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deems it exculpatory or inculpatory evidence it doesn't make a difference it has to be provided to the defense for

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their benefit and the crown the RCMP and um the doctors or or the the hospitals

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were involved in purging evidence throughout the entirety of this

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case to try to substantiate a false narrative that would support a falsified autopsy report so we're going before him

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and we're saying look shut the case down right and if you don't shut it down at least give us an an adjournment so that

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we can afford a lawyer for CAC because she's not in a place that she can emotionally um uh represent herself and

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by the way we don't like your conduct you've showed a massive apprehension of bias towards us you cannot be the judge

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going forward and so get off the case here's 's a rusal application and he had

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rejected that rusal application he wouldn't let it be filed before the courts we had that on audio recording

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that he had rejected it so then and he became aware of the fact that we published that online and so then he

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tried to um pull the wool over everybody's eyes and change uh the narrative on the record and say that yes

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it had been filed and that we were just negligent in giving it to the crown and so then I went to present the audio

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recording and that's when he blew a gasket um and started yelling at me again um uh saying I'm aware of that

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audio recording uh it's not illegal but it's improper you're not allowed to speak to court officials anymore right

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which is like okay well aren't you a court official I think that that that means that I get to leave the

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proceedings here because that's what I'm wanted to do anyways the whole thing is a farce so it's a complete Kangaroo Court uh case that's taking

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place but um he rejects every application and so now here we are going

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into trial proper second trial we had just gone the through the preliminary

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hearing in 2014 trial proper that lasted a month and a half in 2016 appeal in the

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spring of 2017 uh which was was botched uh with corruption um one judge at least was

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willing to take a stand for truth and he did that that gave us leave to go to the Supreme Court May of 2018 Supreme Court

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seven just justices unanimously decided it is wrong that we were convicted that there was a major error in law and so

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they send it back for trial again Crown takes a bait on it they decide to go to trial so here we are now for our second

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trial um you know seven uh years plus from the time that Ezekiel had passed

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away so we get into trial it's 2016 June 2016 now and we find that we have a new

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judge which is a beautiful thing because are we in 2016 now or in 2019 did I say

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2016 if I said 2016 thank you for correcting that 2019 June 2019 here we are s years out seven seven years and

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three months out from the time that Ezekiel passed away and um we find that

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we're standing before a different judge and I'm not hopeful and for good reason there was

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only the the Supreme Court Justices made the right decision I didn't get a good vibe from a few of them when I sat

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before them and was were hearing some of them kind of discuss some of the media narrative thinking how is a media

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narrative finding its way into a court discussion when it's not based on facts

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they should only be relying on the actual merits of the case the very facts that led up to where we are today and so

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there albeit though they made the right decision and it was unanimous so okay so I I had a good taste in my mouth in

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relation to the Supreme Court the appeal court though one good judge out of three

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one who actually took a stand and made the right decision even though

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I don't know what to think about it but my initial feelings are it's probably not going to be good most of these guys

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seem to be bought bought and paid for they they seem to have a price tag on them um so I have an apprehension right

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off the bat for this justice but I'm not letting I'm doing my best not to let it show through I want to give him a fair

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chance and I'm shocked I'm absolutely shocked right off the bat um I had been

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absolutely run over by I'm not I would have said Justice Rook but there was no

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justice found in him by um acj Rook or Rook the crook as he's become known he's

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he's internationally known uh for his attack on the the Freedom Movement and Sovereign Sovereign citizens if you will

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or whatever and he has uh made sure that he's found himself on all of those cases

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where these types of people are and he makes sure that he just railroads them now unfortunately I had flags on my file

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that identified me as one of these free men and so ironically he finds himself

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on on this case uh especially when we start to blow the lid on the corruption that was taking place

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so coming right out of that from one week having him to the next week having this new judge uh justice Terry

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claron um I've already of course I'm going to be a little bit uh a little bit

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um apprehensive as to whether this is a man of integrity or not because we've only dealt with a couple up to this

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point and we dealt with a number of Judges leading up to this point so so we

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get into trial and he's treated me respectfully which is shocking because

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self-represented litigants are supposed to be treated with respect Alberta has the worst track record um the greatest

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amount of negative case law against self-represented litigant to the point that the Supreme Court has weighed in on

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it uh to try to guide the different uh provincial jurisdictions on how they should be treating self-represented

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litigant but Alberta has been the the one who's generated the most negative

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case law that has actually caused really the issue in the first place that the Supreme Court would have to address

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these issues and clearly that issue hadn't been cleaned up so here we are studying our rights as self representing

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litigants because we're literally just getting abused in the courtroom and I'm having to call Rook out for what he's

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doing and so so we get into the case

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and um and things are going fairly normal right as expected Crown is presenting

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their defense case so here's how it works the crown provides all of their

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case if they're going to be calling on any expert Witnesses they notifies us 30 days beforehand that they're calling the

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witnesses and what they anticipate the witnesses to say um so that's the first thing we're going

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to deal with they get done their case and then we get to move forward with our case providing the defense but because

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of what happened we're going to get into this in a bit the whole court case got completely muddled it was it was the

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biggest Gong Show probably in legal history in relation to how a court case

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is supposed to roll out first of all based on what Rook had established leading into the case and that those

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orders remained is that we weren't going to qualify the expert Witnesses before

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they gave testimony but that we were actually in deer for days on end to find

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out whether or not they would be an expert witness before we'd hear their testimony but yet we'd hear their

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testimony during the Vere so it became extremely confusing completely backwards right okay we'll work with it the second

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thing is is that the defense was testifying before the crown had actually

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closed their case because they had an unruly witness who

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refused to testify um in the allotted time that was

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originally scheduled to the point that we're dragging this out months so here

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we are we're providing our defense and this becomes problematic because now we've already provided our defense and

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then the crown gets to already still have their witness on standby and then then they get to question their witness

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based on stuff that we' brought up in our defense so it's completely backwards

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so this is going on but one of the witnesses I want to cover this off just just brief briefly there was one of the

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witnesses one of the doctors that caused um um us to apply for a m trial back in

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2016 and what it was he hadn't been qualified as an expert witness he was just a doctor he was the first attending

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doctor to Ezekiel in the cson hospital after Ezekiel got out of that ambulance of eight and a half minutes to 12

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minutes of no oxygen whatsoever he comes and testifies and he starts to cry on the

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stand in 2016 right like he just starts a crisis some big emotional thing right

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and he and he states that you know um Ezekiel was just so dehydrated so

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dehydrated um and sha Buckley stands up and says wait wait wait this is said

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right in front of the jury we weren't we weren't ever put on notice that that was the Crown's position ever right and

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there's and right off the bat the one of the the crown prosecutor says oh Pig blah blah blah of this was an

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illusion to him potentially being dehydrated but here this doctor saying oh just incredibly dehydrated um indel

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indelibly imprinted upon my mind right here we are four years later but yet he never made note of it so it's this

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notable thing that gets imprinted in his mind but he doesn't make note of it in the medical charts like that's a pretty

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big deal as you're about to transport him to the next hospital that that's communicated somehow that he was

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incredibly dehydrated because that's going to be Factor into how they treat him right yet there isn't any word about

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him potentially being dehydrated it was actually my wife bringing up a her her

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doting concern that she was concerned that he might get dehydrated and so as

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such um she's making sure that even if he's not drinking his water she's going up with an eye dropper not feeding him

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like the media was saying but giving him water through an eye dropper just to make sure okay there there's a score

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just constantly doing that to the point that I think she actually slightly overhydrated him

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so now that's coming up Sean saying this just got spoke before the jury there's

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no evidence to support it we're we're we're declaring a Mist trial especially given the fact that the crown

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prosecution was aware that he was going to say it and that they never once brought it forward to our attention so

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fast forward to 2019 this same doctor now they want to qualify him as an expert and the reason being is he can

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provide expert opinion not not based on fact but just based on just his opinion

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so it grants him much more leeway to be able to speak to certain matters without

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any evidence to support it and they come with this report that uh that he's going

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to speak on provided to us 30 days before saying that he's going to uh speak to how dehydrated Ezekiel was

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right but not based on any medical documentation testing anything but just based on what's imprinted as mind now

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seven years after the fact so we get up up on stand and we

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absolutely just massacred him just massacred him um to the point that we

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showed that he had a massive bias and you can't be you can't be qualified as an expert witness if you have a bias against us now this just shows how

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serendipitous the whole scenario is in May of 2018 it becomes a little

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bit comical May of 2018 right before the supreme court hearing my brother leak

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a ton of documents exposing all the various doctors that perjured themselves in the

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2016 trial he leaks these documents pushes them out and now they're all over

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all online and they're being shared all over um including in the communities specifically in the communities that

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these doctors are working to expose the fact that they had been involved in this dirty um operation to basically crucify

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us as a family for their agenda M he this particular doctor

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is in a small community 3,500 people I grew up there as a kid in that same Community he's in this community and

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it's spreading like wildfire about his involvement his particular particular purgings that he had done um within the

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court case in 2016 how he had lied um how he changed his his narrative from one day to the next day uh you know

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basically separating himself from what was what he actually documented back in 2012 now he's spouting a new narrative

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that's more correct because he remembers it better now than what he actually made note of in 2012 so this goes out and at

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about the same time this doctor ends up on allegations of racism and the reason

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being is he had this interaction with with some natives in that Community um the community borders a reserve so

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there's a there's a large native population and they there were some natives that he was aware of um that he

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ran into at this out inside the store and he started making some racial jokes

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about oh you guys want me to prescribe you some pain meds right or something like that like just something just off hand well he gets called out on it and

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ends up under investigation on it and at this point in time leading up into the

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trial remember we had just applied for an adjournment for six months so that Colette could get lawyers that adjer was

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denied well there was three lawyers so one of them Sean Buckley Shawn Buckley's Trav down south cuz he has a vested

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interest in the court case anyways being that he had represented it in 2014 2016 he'd come and watched in 2017 he watched

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it watched the appeal he wasn't the appeal lawyer um he obviously kept tabs on it in 2018 when end up at the Supreme

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Court so now he's coming down to watch it as time permits so I phone him up and said hey Sean I said hey is there any

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way that you can fill in as time permits to uh represent Colette because she's she's not going to be able to do so and the crown has separated out the

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different elements that she has to speak specific specifically to certain elements of this that I'm not allowed to speak to so I can't even cover it off in

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the court case like they were playing dirty the crown was pinpointing her looking at the weakest link and knowing

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that it was an emotional mother who is still struggling with the death of her son and they're going they're targeting her right so Sean's like sure I can do

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that now he can't fill in every day though right like this is g to be a month two months long trial and he he

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can't on a moment's notice be like yeah my schedule's wide open so then there's two other lawyers that were sympathetic

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to the case there's actually a lot of lawyers that were sympathetic to the case um that knew what was going on and

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just knew that this whole thing was a farce but there was two that had a bit of time on their hands so what was

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interesting is three lawyers um Jason demirez is one of them u a good civil

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lawyer criminal lawyer out of Calgary and um Lethbridge and then another one is ingred Hess great great lady great

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lawyer anyway so all three of them are jumping on board and what they would do is they'd come and sit at the back of

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the room or or behind me at a table while I'm cross-examining the Crown's

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Witnesses this is giving them time to prep and understand what's going on they come in and mop up after me so I I do

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the the majority of the damage they come in and they clean up and miss or get any points that I missed so it's actually

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really a beautiful process kind of an interesting process Meanwhile my brother sitting beside me as legally is a

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McKenzie friend is what it's called he's sitting beside me he's handing me files because he knows the file inside note cuz him and his team had been going

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through it now for over two years at this point in time or not over sorry just under two years at this point in

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time so this doctor gets up on stand and

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we have to prove that he has a bias against us well ingred Hess is the lawyer that

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represented the natives that he had been making these jokes about about prescribing them pain

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meds right in a racial fashion and so he had been investigated by the um College

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of Physicians and he had to write a letter to defend himself and within that letter he cited

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us as the reason why he was not in the right State of Mind of the stress of

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what had taken place with the fact that we had leaked all of these Li not sorry

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we leaked the perjury that had taken place so all of his lies we had leaked

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online and we put it out there knowing full well that hey look if we're on the

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wrong side of the fence here we're going to get sued um and interestingly Albert heal Services did approach us and said hey

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pull it down or we'll seee you and we said sure go for it us we want to see you in court and they just went away but

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they they figured they'd threaten and we said hey this is this this will be fantastic we'd love for this to get

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litigated and so so Albert Health Services uh you know went you know scried back into their their little dark

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hole um but they figured they'd try so we were threatened a lawsuit but we

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didn't cave because we knew we were on the right side so anyways he has this letter that he sends to the College of

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Physicians she has a copy of it she knows that he is being qualified or

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disqualified as an expert witness she's representing out of the blue we just met her a few days before she says hey look

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what I have she got a copy of this letter and so by the time that we were

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done ripping him upside up one side and down the other through cross-examination for an entire day and then showing in

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fact that at the end oh by the way we have this letter right like can you tell us what this is about do you have any

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apprehension of bias about us oh by the way did you also have a conversation with the the the RN that saw Colette and

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Ezekiel the day before he went into crisis did you have a conversation with her saying that you should be careful about uh associating yourself with the

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stepin and he's like well yeah oh my goodness you're biased and so

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sure enough he got disqualified as an expert witness couldn't tell his false narrative about Ezekiel being dehydrated

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that was never noted anywhere that he it was so notable but once again it was so notable that he never made note of it

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right and never pass it on unreal the um the stupidity in some of these

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positions of real power in the judicial system lawyers these doctors some of

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them like it just goes it just goes to show that you know we really should be

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questioning and qu quite skeptical of let's just say everything in regards to what people are saying especially

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these people these these people with in a position of authority you just can't take their word for it right off the bat

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there there must be questions there must be followup questions there must be accountability because yeah this doctor

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is just clearly and the evidence is there lying taking care of taking trying

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to take care of himself for his own mistakes and yeah just such weak pathetic characters and it just seems

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that um Alberta for some reason seems to be a Cess pool for these

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individuals extremely corrupt it it seems to be an EP epicenter of corrupt agendas um Alberta for some reason

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because it's really interesting um there's other elements of Alberta that

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um I it's like the Texas of Canada it's it's more redneck uh more freedom loving

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so it's really interesting the contrast where you see within the organizations within the government organizations how

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corrupt it is but yet the people themselves overall seem to be more

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freedom libertarian minded than most of Canada as a whole so it's really kind of

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an interesting uh dichotomy if you will with what we see here I was shocked because I thought that Alberta would be

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you know one of the going into it naively thinking it would be one of the best jurisdictions for uh the Judiciary

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right the court systems no no they they have the worst case law coming out

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um it's it's just it's just really interesting uh I thought that you know medical system you got these doctors

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that are from Alberta generally you know no um the medical system is horrific Alberta Health Services is probably the

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most corrupt organization um out there and it's the largest uh organization

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when it comes to medical system um in North America it's the largest conglomerate and and it's just corrupt

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to the core um and we have so much evidence of that I mean right off the bat they were telling their their people

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to shut up not talk to us even though some of them were our friends don't discuss the case with them um I mean it

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was weird to have people that were considered you know not close friends but friends that I'm sitting there cross-examining on the stand right and

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realizing that you know they had been muzzled by the crown or by Albert heal Services lawyers right they and yet

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you're supposed to have access to their witnesses to be able to discuss things yeah so yeah interesting so here's what

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was interesting about this particular case now 2016 was a long uh you know a long time ago but that was a long court

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case in 2016 a month and a half we had only scratched the surface on the corruption we had no idea how bad it was

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and here we are my brother has been going through with his team uh there is two full-time individuals with him on a

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reg regular basis and they're going through files and made some fantastic discoveries fantastic discoveries that

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ultimately provided closure for me in relation to the death of my son where I got to understand what had actually

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taken place and that it wasn't menitis and that's what and it made sense because here I am confused for all these

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years saying why didn't I see the symptoms of menitis right why oh is it because I give him lots of nutrition he

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wouldn't have the symptoms no he would have had to have the symptoms in in order to go into crisis he didn't have

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the symptoms so I was I I could never reconcile with what actually happened that led up to him needing an

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ambulance and so they they discovered it and they discovered that it was simply just electrolyte imbalances and that you

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know we started giving them that's why he responded so well when we started give him the electrolytes um you know the the night

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before and that the the next morning he wakes up and he's he's doing better he's not 100% better but he's doing like

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markedly better and then by the time that we get into midday that he has no

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noticeable symptoms but then something happens and we don't know what happens we don't know why it happens but his

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pottassium spikes right no idea uh maybe we could

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have found out maybe we could have discovered if they didn't cover it up uh maybe if they would have actually

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examined it and there's a there was a reason why they wouldn't examine it though um because it would have put

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Albert Health Services right on the hook because it was easily treatable and it would have put all uh of the fact that

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he died it would have put it squarely on the fact that there was criminal negligence within Albert Health Services

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where they pulled that equipment out because had that equipment been in the ambulance and he got an airway he would have got to the hospital without

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significant brain death they would have discovered it about an hour after he arrived at the hospital that he had

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spiked potassium they would have treated them with the calcium chloride or maybe a

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different they use calcium chloride because that's what they had in the ambulance when he they were transporting when they found this information out and he animated re animated start breathing

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on his own heart start beating on its own and that's when they overdosed him with the the paralytic medication

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so they would have easily treated it and he would have likely been discharged two days later right from the hospital fine

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no no no long-term issues yeah big scare the F that we just witnessed our son stopped breathing he needed CPR for 11

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minutes gets to the ambulance gets an airway gets into the the hospital to treat him for the the the uh um the

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potassium Spike and boom done like everything's fine that's how simple it would have been so they had a motive to

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to to cover it up because otherwise his death would have squarely been on a

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criminal negligence case against Alberta Health Services and they didn't want to open up that can of worms no that would

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have been devastating well somebody would have likely ended up going to jail for a long time I mean like I said

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failing to provide necessaries of life up to five years criminal negligence resulting in death up to 25 years

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there's a big difference right and so and the fact that the amb or the

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paramedics for one year had been saying we need that equipment back in the ambulance and they and Albert Health

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Services refused to uh honor that request until the week after Ezekiel passed away all of a sudden all the

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ambulances in that area had that equipment um it that constitutes right there that they knew they were wrong

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they corrected the situation but they already caused a death from it right so they didn't want to go there so then

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they then they falsified the death said to try to make it look like it didn't matter whether the ambulance had

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equipment or not he was already dead nothing he could do about it interesting cuz you know an hour and half later he's breathing again on his own huh so he was

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you know too dead for the ambulance to fix but yet now he's in a different ambulance and all of a sudden he's coming alive again strange so the whole

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the whole thing just just stunk of corruption there but so they're trying to cover that up

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um and so now you know we we're now

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cross-examining these paramedics that were part of this

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whole scenario paramedics that I knew and this is where it gets a little weird going back to the whole corruption

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that was being exposed um even though we knew all the files we

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KN we we knew them inside and out and and you think that we would have made all the discoveries necessary over two

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years of of digging in deep no we get into the courtroom and I'm I'm cross-examining

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uh the one paramedic um great guy very knowledgeable very intelligent and I've

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got his it's called a PCR patient care report so what happens is they will have

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this you know they'll have their their computer system in the ambulance and as different procedures happen at

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different time stamps they'll document it okay intu intubation attempt at this time boom intubation temp at this time

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so I'm cross-examining on it and there's a there's a there's a well ented timeline and and it's meticulous right

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it's just like at this minute we're doing this at this so we've got this you know basically 10 minutes right well

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eight and a half minutes of him being in the ambulance um no it's just slightly over

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that and it's literally you know minute by minute but even down to the second

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time stamped with every procedure that they do I get down to the bottom of it and there's a

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couple events that are out of order they're right at the bottom but I'm like wait a minute these should be up here

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right and I look at the time stamp and I realize oh the time has been altered to

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be the right time but they didn't correct the date it had been put

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in after the fact a day two days after everything took place but they

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didn't correct the day to make it because they can alter it so that it fits into the timeline seamlessly so

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there was a couple events that were out of order and I

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sources it had been disseminated and I'm looking at the date and I'm seeing that it's not closed and we're 2 weeks out

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from the time that Ezekiel had passed away so I said wait a minute hold on so

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we went through our disclosure because there was overlap there was redundancy of all of these different

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reports and we finally found that same report and it and it said closed it said yes it had an affirmation that yes it

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was closed at this point in time and we're looking at the date of and but yet we're looking at the date of these other ones being disseminated

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where it's still not closed so they can still edit it they can still change the

32:37

narrative that was concerning so I I brought it up with them said well wait 24 hours you normally would have it Clos

32:44

by why is this in the chief medical examiner's office arriving two weeks after the fact and it's still not closed

32:51

that you can still edit it and that might have just been a mistake on those those couple of events at the bottom

32:58

where they didn't change the time stamp appropriately and they overlooked that we don't know how many other events were

33:03

actually in sequence that weren't supposed to be there we don't know we don't know but all we know is that for

33:10

some reason they were left open so they could edit it and now you know people

33:15

might might hear that and say well okay maybe one off just a mistake whatever could have happened you know don't don't

33:20

be so conspiracy-minded whatever well when you start to see a pattern emerge now now you have time you

33:27

know reason for for concern right so here's the next part of the pattern this doctor gets on stand nice

33:34

doctor nice nice lady really uh younger doctor um really she's about my age Colette's age type of thing but she came

33:41

in um she was actually brought in by child abuse right I mean they had every

33:46

they were going from every angle they could against us while we were in the Alberta Children's Hospital police

33:52

coming in six police right as mentioned in the previous um podcast um you know

33:57

CH down services at 10: at night we're up till 4:00 in the morning being interrogated by the rmp you know all this stuff they're hitting us from every

34:03

angle well this doctor comes in and we think that she's trying to help Ezekiel

34:10

but in fact she's actually drumming up a case for child abuse right um which never went anywhere because there was no

34:16

child abuse and so we're answering all these questions thinking hey you know we're giving her you know information

34:21

that maybe she can help Ezekiel like we don't know what's going on right now other than he's in a medically induc

34:28

coma which doesn't seem to have any record anywhere even though multiple people were aware of that being the case

34:33

based on what the doctor had initially said and so she does up this

34:40

report and it's submitted it's submitted into

34:46

the files into the disclosure this particular report and then we get into

34:51

court and we realize she's referencing a report I'm looking at a report I'm like mine

34:58

doesn't line up with hers what's this about so then I stop stop the case said

35:03

H hold on a minute here so wait a minute said yours has stuff that mine doesn't

35:09

have what what what what are you using like can I can I see in the crown hands me this the crown then goes on to say

35:16

addresses a judge and says what Mr Stefan is addressing is the fact that there's four different versions of this

35:22

report out there four I said hold on a minute here I

35:31

said Dr Dello I said what is your procedure in Rel I know one of these is

35:38

signed one of them isn't signed one of them has other like elements to a paragraph here that's not found in this

35:43

one which changes you know how one would interpret this what's your procedure

35:48

here like when you're done with your report is it closed somehow uh once it's signed like is it done like or can you

35:54

go back and edit it well I can always go back and edit it I'm like oh really you can can you I said so is that why we

36:00

have four different variations of this report throughout disclosure right like why why does the

36:06

crown have a version I don't have right like what's going why are you referencing a version I don't have like I want that version give it to me right

36:12

what's going on so once again they have a way of leaving stuff

36:18

open so they can change the narrative after and we see this pattern emerge where other elements are being put in at

36:25

what date we don't know she left it in a Word document we don't know when those edits took place we would have had to gain access to our computer to see the

36:32

saved history if there was such a thing that we could find in there as to what version was done when and and so was it

36:38

a month out that she was changing it was it three months out was it you know was it when the charges happened that they

36:43

realized that they need to make sure that they get a very streamlined Pro bacterial menitis narrative and that

36:50

they omit everything else that doesn't say or that says no bacter menitis I don't know all I know is that this is

36:57

what Annie said a was blowing the whistle on in relation to the reporting structure found within the chief medical

37:04

examiner's office that people could go in and make a change to a deceased person's file at any given time and that

37:11

there was no fingerprints to identify that a change had been made it's crazy that was that was one of the things that

37:17

she was bringing forward saying the system isn't secure and that she was also saying

37:23

there's bureaucratic and political influencing into the causations of death they're changing stuff they're creating

37:29

a different narrative to be pro- system and to be anti- I guess you'd call dissident or or Freedom loving people

37:35

like myself people that don't vaccinate whatever home birth people whatever right like that's that that's what

37:41

they're allowing it to be open to to attack them so that they can use the chief medical examiner's office as a

37:47

weapon against the people but yet to protect their system and their foster care system where a ton of deaths are

37:53

taking place that shouldn't be taking place where criminal proceedings should be happening in relation to those deaths

37:59

and it's just not happening they're being absolved through the chief medical examiner's office so that's what we were

38:04

seeing in the court case all these discoveries just highlighting the fact that there it's just fraught with

38:11

corruption and the judge you know it's it was interesting to watch the judge to all this he you just see him he's just

38:17

like shaking his head what the as we're exposing this and I make sure as soon as

38:22

there's an element there I'm I'm digging deep into it and just 100% qualifying that I'm not interpreting it wrong

38:30

you're telling me that this is this is left open and it can be edited after the

38:35

fact so by the time that we were done with the court case we identified we we we drew a a beautiful picture of the

38:42

fact that this whole thing was an Ever shifting narrative that of collusion

38:50

that took place over a period of time a month two months maybe seven months I

38:56

don't know because it took s months for that that autopsy report to come and typically we would expect six weeks took

39:01

seven months we don't know how long they needed to collude together on these various parties but we knew that they

39:07

were colluding together we have the records to show it that the doctors from Alber Children's Hospital were phoning the medical examiner's office to follow

39:13

up on this why they had no they don't do that that's that's not within their scope of practice they're too busy

39:18

anyway they're supposed to be treating the living not trying to identify what happened with the dead here that's done

39:25

and over with it's out of their hands and yet we see the records of them going back and forth we we knew that they were

39:30

in contact which is abnormal so what was going on were they all trying to get

39:37

their stories aligned right that's what it looks like and the evidence supports it and the fact that we have a falsified

39:43

autopsy report and every one of the doctors was trying to support that autopsy report even though we end up

39:49

with evidence that spoke otherwise so I'll go into that in a minute what was left out of the 2016

39:56

trial was a few 200 pages of medical evidence what we had in 2019 trial is

40:02

clearcut evidence that shows that the doctor who phoned homicide at the time that she was phoning homicide she had

40:10

one of her interms phoning Poison Control trying to find an alternate reason as to why Ezekiel had actually

40:16

gone into cardiac arrest what happened why he why he stop breathing why' he go into cardiac rest because they didn't

40:23

know so they were they were they were running different uh I think they were actually trying to drum up an

40:28

alternative alternative attack on us to if they could find anything on anything that we had supplied him as a supplement

40:34

that would have potentially caused it boom they would have attacked us on it right so they would have attacked us on the Natural Health element they couldn't

40:41

find anything but what was conveyed to poison control based on the documentation that

40:47

we have between the the the intern doctor neur neurologist doctor and the

40:52

the individual on the other line with poison control is that they had already ruled out based on the CT scan that

40:59

there was no menitis G on not not viral menitis not parasitic men menitis not bacterial

41:06

menitis uh no menitis okay they had ruled that out and that there was no infection and that qualifies exactly

41:13

what the RN nurse saw the night before or the evening before he arrived in hospital when she

41:20

checked all of his vitals breathing everything there was no sign of infection no running nose no mucus in the eyes like nothing it there was

41:27

that's what got her thinking well maybe there's something more to this and there was right there was an underlying electrolyte imbalance that was causing

41:34

him to kind of wax and Wayne in his energy right as well as in in in relation to um the appearance of being

41:40

achy because of the fact that electrolytes are important for our the the very functionality of our muscles

41:45

and to prevent us from going into muscle cramping and so once we were dealing with that all of a sudden that's why he just appeared to go normal in less than

41:52

24 hours of giving them the electroly drink so

41:59

we have this taking place where this narrative is is just building up and the daughers are trying to support it but yet behind the scenes they know that

42:04

that wasn't the case they knew that they had already ruled it out in their testing that to the point that they wouldn't even give them a a um a lumbar

42:13

puncture right they they wouldn't take a sample of a cerebral spinal fuid at the time of admission um because it would have ruled

42:21

out the menitis but it seems like they didn't want to solidly rule out the menitis yet in case they need to rely on

42:28

um is what it seems yeah so they wouldn't do the the most solid test set would be like 100%

42:33

no or 100% yes they wouldn't do it they said that he was too unstable and yet at

42:40

the same time they're saying take him off life support and and let's uh and donate his organs really he's too

42:46

unstable to have the test determine what um what he has going on if he actually

42:51

has this infectious agent menitis right he's too unstable for you guys to do that but yet you want to pull him off

42:56

life support which means that he's dead anyways and you want us to donate his organs like that doesn't make a whole

43:02

lot of sense and you want us to donate organs from uh an individual who's di

43:08

supposedly died from an overwhelming bacterial infection that doesn't make sense

43:13

either right you don't you don't harvest the organs of somebody who is at risk of

43:20

sepsis um to the point that you know a bacterial infection and this was the theory right um within the autopsy right

43:27

plural andaya which he didn't have because that withheld x-ray showed that he had clear lungs but right plural

43:33

andaya infection gets so bad that eventually gets into you know it goes into the bloodstream gets across into

43:40

the cerebral spinal fluid and that's where he gets his menis from that was the or original narrative that they were

43:46

going with if that happened you cannot harvest the organs of that individual right

43:52

because now you've got an issue where the body has a significant amount of back

43:57

throughout it right which would easily come up in an autopsy report right overwhelming amounts rather than these

44:04

scant amounts of DNA of hemophilus influenza B

44:10

so um yeah so we we got to see a bunch of corruption starting to get exposed

44:16

within the court case and it was actually really quite vindicating even just going throughout the process because we get to learn much more of

44:22

what had taken place behind the scenes and it actually qualified the fact that you know we we were calling them out for

44:30

the corruption that they were involved in but it just became so much more clear

44:35

throughout the court proceedings as I finally got to cross-examine these these individuals for hours on end it sounds

44:42

like the judge was also like going along obviously with the listening to what's happening here listening to the lack of

44:47

answers listening to the lack of evidence and there must be so many question marks that you know if if they

44:54

had the evidence to prove their argument then it wouldn't be there would be any questions there wouldn't be any spaces where or gaps where it's just like what

45:00

on Earth has happened here so it sounds like this new judge is just like what is

45:06

going on and how is this how has this been going on for so long okay awesome Point awesome point point I didn't even

45:12

think about there had it been Rook you know acj Rook or Rook the crook I can

45:18

tell you exactly what would have been happening during those proceedings as soon as I would have identified an element of corruption he would have

45:24

tried to shut it down to prevent it from being solidified on the record that was the pattern that had been going on at

45:30

that point in time for the previous eight months of dealing with him up until the trial proper and so yeah this

45:37

judge was open ears and it was really cool because you'd see when he would take note of something like when

45:43

something clicked all of a sudden you just see his head go down he's jotting down it's like okay that's going to be

45:48

taken into consideration in his deliberation at the end of all this and there was a number of points that you

45:54

know he wasn't getting it at first and I finally was able to solidify it through the the the witness so this is so you

46:00

know whatever it may have been like you know maybe the report that was left open there's four different versions of it

46:05

that are out there there's potentially more and you can edit that any time like

46:11

you could edit it you could have edited one this morning and supplied it to us and we would have thought that it was

46:16

produced you know at the time that you know Ezekiel passed away so all of a

46:21

sudden it just clicks and he just goes into note writing and so we saw that happen a number of times like boom Point

46:28

boom he's getting it he's got the fact that this is a highly corrupt case um so

46:35

yeah it was really cool now there's another element to this as well when we back up because leading up to the the

46:41

the trial we were we were actually um cross-examining some of the police officers that were involved in this

46:47

initially out of the Calgary police station as well as um uh the

46:52

RCMP and what was interesting is the discovery that the

46:59

police when see the police are the the ones that are supposed to gather the information right in the investigation

47:07

so they'll gather the medical evidence they'll get they'll get some from the chief medical examiner's office the autopsy whatever they'll get some you

47:13

know they'll go and you know do some interviewing themselves or interrogating or whatever and and get statements or

47:18

whatever so they're they're the gathers they're The Hub where all the information comes to and then they streamline it over to the crown which

47:25

then the crown says yep there's a probability of conviction let's charge boom right so the police were the ones

47:33

that initially gathered the medical evidence and we when we saw how they gathered it they requested specific

47:42

documents by name right now I'm not a police

47:49

officer um but as a lay man right in a sense

47:55

although i'llbe it my my knowledge on medical information would far exceed the average police officer out there uh to a

48:01

significant degree I would never know what to request because we had made requests with the with all the different

48:08

hospitals any touch point that had anything to do with Ezekiel we made requests for any information we didn't

48:14

know what to specifically request we had no idea the names of the documents so

48:21

what they did is they requested specific documents by name which means that it exclusively

48:28

um would end up in the obtainment of those documents to the exclusion of all

48:33

other documents which is really interesting so the first question has to be asked how did the police know to

48:40

request those specific documents and no other documents and then that's what gets

48:45

supplied to the crown the crown then supplies that as disclosure to us we think we have a full disclosure

48:51

initially and we work with that in the 2016 trial to find out later on that it

48:57

was incredibly deficient to the point that it omitted the other evidence like

49:03

what we saw where they they had already qualified that Ezekiel didn't have menitis well that's a pretty big one you

49:09

know going into the 2016 Trail had we had we seen medical evidence that said we've ruled out menitis huh that would

49:16

have given us a little bit more ammo against the falsified autopsy report rather than just pitting Annie Savage

49:21

against Dr adago right we would have been say well now there's other doctors as well that that were saying the same

49:27

thing when when he was brought into the hospital and menus is you know generally you can diagnose it pretty easy it's

49:33

pretty clear like pretty clear and they ruled it up

49:39

so so then we got to see that the police somehow were

49:44

involved in the fact that they knew what

49:49

documents to include to the exclusion of all other documents that they would then

49:55

supply to the crown that that was a little bit more troubling to realize even the RCMP were

50:02

in on this it wasn't just Albert hell Services it wasn't just the the chief medical examiner's office it wasn't just

50:09

uh the Alberta solicitor General's office with the fact that that uh um Jonathan Nichols supplied an 18-page

50:15

letter to the the medical examiner before he even started autopsy report stating that Ezekiel basically died of

50:21

bacterial menitis right already biasing the whole of it basically telling him what he should find we now saw that the

50:27

RCMP was also an involved party in relation to um moving this agenda

50:34

forward yeah I think it's quite easy to understand the collusion within that

50:42

that RCMP in that Crown situation because I believe that they believe that you are the bad guys and everything that

50:48

they do is is warranted even when it's like

50:54

taking an unnecessary phone call to realize to get the information about which documents to put into for this

51:01

investigation so sketchy and I think if you've got any sense in this world you

51:06

know it's easy to recognize that many people are just taking orders many

51:11

people's jobs are under threat many people's careers would be under threat they have to think about their feeding

51:17

their kids and doing all these so people a lot of people the majority of people

51:23

will just do what they're told and look the other way way it's really really unfortunate in this world because we

51:29

need we need more bravery we need more courage we need more people to stand up more than ever and um it doesn't take a

51:40

whole Police Department doesn't take the whole Crown take every individual to be let's like corrupt and and um working

51:47

for the system it just takes few individuals to really instigate that on

51:54

a downward stream and people people applying pressure and producing and and

51:59

giving orders and yeah it just doesn't take the whole system to be bad does

52:05

doesn't take the whole system to be full of bad people for it to kind of go sideways you know it just needs a just

52:10

needs a couple of people who are looking to cover their asses really yep and everybody else just needs to to play

52:16

their role as that that singular piece in the puzzle that all when it comes together makes a really deranged picture

52:24

if you will but they're just one puzzle piece you know I heard something um I

52:29

was told something uh by by a lovely coworker an older lady who had worked in

52:36

the jail system for some time as well um but she came to work with us actually at true hope um and I was working closely

52:43

with her for a short period of time and it was about 16 years ago she

52:49

she just straight up told me this one time in relation we were having a conversation she says everybody has their price oh yeah

53:55

[Music] was to please people that I would compromise my values to please them right um or in this instance it was

54:02

maybe well you know this will better my situation a little bit right and it's not really going to hurt anybody with it right all that type of stuff so I had to

54:08

Nix all that but within that process I realized um and I'm sure I'm still working on it uh there's still just like

54:15

even just like the odd little quirks like if I say something that's just slightly Incorrect and it's like a slip off a tug I'm like wait a minute is that

54:21

actually correct um oftentimes I'll actually correct it and most people be like well didn't really need to that's

54:27

sound that's stupid right but for me it's important right because if I let it slide then it's going to be easier to

54:33

tell something a little bit bigger that's incorrect and I'm not willing to correct correct that properly um and

54:39

eventually my speech will be compromised right I'm the Integrity of my speech and so I'm still a work in progress from

54:46

time to time when I recognize those issues but it's a very rare situation that we

54:53

go through the uncomfortableness of correcting those issues within

54:58

ourselves and it's extremely concerning when we see especially over the whole

55:04

covid uh agenda that's rolled out over the last four years how many people have showed themselves to have a price and

55:11

for many people you know they whenever somebody says I'm just doing my job what it means is you're just doing you just

55:17

sold yourself to your job that was your price was the keeping of your job that you're now willing to compromise the

55:23

well-being um and the rights the fun fundamental rights of your your fellow beings because you're just doing your

55:30

job right yeah and we saw that we saw a lot of people cave to to the agenda to

55:36

to get in the job because I need it for my job I have to have it for my job and

55:42

there wasn't a there wasn't a terrible amount of people unfortunately that were willing to quit their job there was some

55:47

I'm aware of I'm aware of quite a bit but not nearly as many I'm aware of that compromised over travel um um leisurely

55:55

living and jobs there was a lot of healthcare workers that that certainly stood up to it yep yeah and I I just I

56:03

just think about the um this culture of collusion within certain organizations and I and I look at the public sector

56:10

and I look at the private sector I think for over years and decades for let's

56:16

just say the Alberta Health Services to become a very compromised organization you know it's working in the public

56:23

sector um and there can be levels of collusion corruption

56:29

incompetence all these get tolerated because it's not a private entity there's no bottom line to there's no

56:35

bottom line of profit as there would be in a private organization if the CEO is being compromised or corrupt and it's

56:42

damaging the business within a private entity that person's out he's gone he's fired you know they they they

56:49

very they're checking in on that all the time but within a public sector when it's just our funny money tax money

56:55

that's just being thrown around here or there um very irresponsibly these people who are at

57:01

the top of this top of this food chain can put these orders down and they can easily cover these things up and there's

57:07

no there's no one checking the bottom line to see what's profitable what's not so it's so easy for these entities to

57:13

become these these cultures of collusion right yeah yeah there's so much

57:18

irresponsibility and they're able to do it because they have endless pockets as they continue to dip into our pockets

57:24

and well okay well it gets to the point that we can't really afford groceries as a whole in society but that's okay right

57:30

you know Albert hell Services still has access to your pockets right so yeah unfortunately when you take a look at that type of it just breeds corruption

57:37

that type of scenario it just breeds corruption and irresponsibility um yeah with no repercussions yeah and I'm convinced

57:44

that the this this will differ but the best and the brightest don't go and work for

57:50

the government they just don't do it they just don't do it they get pic they get picked up by organiz they get picked up

57:56

by private entities because they get paid significant amount of more more money they've got more creativity and

58:01

freedom to do what they want within their organization and the people who go and work for the government sure they

58:07

might they might be smart but they are definitely not top of the class and the biggest the biggest priority to to get

58:14

up up the ladder is to just agree say yes and turn the other turn the other

58:19

turn the other cheek when necessary not turn the other cheek look the other way when necessary you know you can see that

58:26

you see that with who's like who's in charge of our country right now in Canada and the people around that those individuals they're not the best of

58:33

bright people you can see them talking for they can't hold it together for 60 seconds within an interview you know

58:39

they're morons and these are the people like with significant power and yes

58:45

these people have not gone up that ladder through competence eth work work

58:51

ethic and creativity you know that's just not how that works it's about

58:57

just saying yes to the person above not get creating any problems keeping the status quo Y and yeah it's it's

59:04

sickening because it's it just de evolves our whole culture yeah you know uh I mean I mean

59:11

we're we're referencing generalizations that apply to the whole but not maybe everybody uh but the vast majority of

59:17

them right because there are some but it's interesting because in my study into uh government years ago um in in

59:24

basically liberal arts education not liberal right like Democratic but

59:30

liberal arts in relation to understanding the principles of Liberty and all that um I was studying some of

59:35

the uh the principles uh established by the founding fathers or things that have been communicated by them and one of the the elements of that was that when you

59:42

establish a government and you attach to those positions good money and it comes

59:48

with authority it attracts a wrong people money and Authority attract the wrong people then you end up the wrong

59:54

people in Authority because it satiate so much right like there's a lot of people out there that are power hungry you don't want those people ruling over

1:00:00

you ever right like we we we've all seen that we've whether you know within schools growing up right we

1:00:07

we see the power hungry teachers right nobody wants to be in their classroom we see you know power hungry parents nobody

1:00:14

wants to you know like their kids are oppressed right um but put somebody in a in a position a power where they now get

1:00:21

paid to do that and it becomes a recipe for disaster and unfortunately that's largely what we've seen

1:00:26

with modern government is that um and it just grows it gets bigger and bigger and they bring on their friends and they

1:00:32

create new departments and now we have this big monstrous governments that are not supportable right with all their

1:00:38

programs and everything it's just not supportable um and ultimately it's it weighs on the backs of every um Pro or

1:00:46

not prosperous because we it's hard to be prosperous but every productive uh member of society ends up

1:00:52

carrying the burden of this monstrosity of government and so unfortunately that's where we've gotten because we

1:00:57

have the wrong model set up that we're attracting the wrong people into these positions for sure yeah the amount of

1:01:03

world leaders that fall under the category of narcissistic and sociopathic is is incredible but um let's get back

1:01:11

here to the true hope timeline I love the little Segways there that's very very important I'm sure a

1:01:16

lot of people are thinking the same thing as as we're talking through this story talking through the trial so where are we now in the timeline well we're

1:01:23

now to the point of the trial where it gets really interesting so we've got Dr adago so we heard about

1:01:28

him in the first trial in 2016 that you know he' booked the day off he's out going out of country the day after his

1:01:35

testimony in 2016 so we're in the courtroom till after nine o'clock at night and at this point in time he is

1:01:42

not giving us the evidence that he gave us in 2014 which ironically same thing he did the same thing in 2014 where we

1:01:48

couldn't finish cross-examination with him so we had to prolong the preliminary hearing for an entire month until he

1:01:53

could be rescheduled in so we've got this pattern emerging well this time around he scheduled for 3 Days right

1:02:00

okay so we have adequate time the crown has scheduled him for 3 Days knowing that it's going to be hard to pull the

1:02:05

evidence out of him and that he is incredibly hard to understand and that he is just an unruly witness right just

1:02:12

based on Tri transcripts from the previous two so he gets on the

1:02:19

stand um first week of June and uh he he gives testimony he

1:02:25

gives his initial testimony I I think the crown spent just over half a day with him okay then they're done with him

1:02:31

okay wow making good time and now remember this is a Vere he's not he has not been qualified as an

1:02:37

expert witness yet so it's a Vere which means we're going to get most of the evidence out but most of his evidence is either going to be for or against him

1:02:43

being qualified as an expert witness once he's qualified then we're going to do just a quick cleanup so they're done

1:02:50

with him in good time which means I now have a full two and a bit days to cross-exam ex them if I so choose right

1:02:58

so I start the cross-examination of them and I've got a lot of questions for him why because he is the he is the Kingpin

1:03:05

in essence of this case he holds the key to us going to

1:03:11

jail or not to going to jail if his autopsy report is correct we're in

1:03:16

essence guilty we ignore the symptoms of B of of um uh BAC manius and we're we're

1:03:24

negligent as parents in a sense or willfully blind whatever however you want to put it and we didn't do what a

1:03:30

reasonably prudent parent would do so I've got a lot of questions for him and I start to break it down and I'm and I'd

1:03:37

been thinking about this quite a bit and it's just kind of rolling out strategically I'm setting him up I don't

1:03:42

just go in with a question I I set him up that in essence he already establishes the answer that's going to

1:03:49

be contradictory to um what he wrote here and you know the problem is you

1:03:55

know a kid you know there was a handful of times that I I performed some big lies I know it works you know you you

1:04:02

just can't make sure that everything is sewed up so like it's it's going to become evident somehow if you hit it

1:04:08

from five different angles at some point in time something's going to stick and and it's going to expose it as a lie so I'm doing that right and so I'm

1:04:16

strategically setting him up and as soon as he realizes I set him up and then I

1:04:21

ask him the final question he would blow a gasket because he realized that he been busted and he would he would do the

1:04:27

whole you know this this is typical teenager activity right like you you try

1:04:32

to create a diversion through a blowout a spazz or whatever as if it's going to divert from the fact that you just got

1:04:38

busted online and this is what he was doing in the courtroom and so there was a handful of times that the the judge

1:04:45

had to say whoa whoa whoa stop now here here's the thing

1:04:50

though the crown wanted them to testify um by CCTV

1:04:56

I objected back in March of that year saying nobody's going to understand him he's already hard enough to understand

1:05:02

in person right Nigerian born doctor I shouldn't even be using the word doctor

1:05:07

we don't know um but n he's Nigerian born supposedly got his his medical

1:05:13

degree in Nigeria couldn't pass his tests in the US somehow got a license

1:05:19

still don't know how it wasn't done through proper procedure the transcripts identify that and when I say transcripts

1:05:25

I mean talking you know we've got I think this is the vast majority of it

1:05:30

but this is all you know the transcripts from his medical transcripts here right

1:05:38

that that we have access to this is supplied to me we're going to get into that story in a bit um I think that's actually next episode but um that was

1:05:46

supplied to me by an individual who went digging deep and discovered all the discrepancies in in his in his licensing

1:05:53

yeah so he's hard to understand stand and he's now over CCTV and he's pacing

1:05:59

he's pacing like like a crazy man not Kya like he is just irate over the fact that I'm I'm um I'm exposing him to the

1:06:07

point that he actually goes more emotional on me and um and starts to go

1:06:13

for personal attacks and at one point in time like he he did a low blow attack uh in relation to the death of Ezekiel and

1:06:21

the proceedings just stopped and the judge says are you okay and I just had to take a second just to you know so I'm

1:06:27

not going to lose my cool let it just simmer and be like yeah and you know thank you right and then all right let's

1:06:34

go back to it right and so he was basically engaging ad Homen and attacks

1:06:39

type of thing like completely unprofessional um and just elusive trying to um divert from the actual

1:06:47

topic at hand and so oftentimes he'd go give an answer and he'd ramble on for about three minutes and it wasn't the

1:06:52

answer to the actual question so then the judge would have to try to in and then he'd say I need to tell you this

1:06:57

right and it was just like just arguing fighting with the judge and the judge is like no we just need you to answer the

1:07:04

question right and so it's taking forever like we're getting like I've got

1:07:10

all this list of questions I'm thinking I can get a done in a day right like we're gonna be done with him in two days no no no no so it gets to the point that

1:07:20

we get to the end of the first day and he says oh I'm not available tomorrow you're not Avail the crown had you

1:07:25

scheduled for 3 days you're not available tomorrow what are you talking about and the the the judge is like what

1:07:30

huh and the Crown's like putting up their hands like we don't know right so

1:07:36

now he's dictating the schedule saying I'm not available tomorrow I'm not coming in right I'm I'm not I'm not coming to the courthouse here down in

1:07:41

Indiana where he's you know being put on to CCTV so it finally got to the point that

1:07:47

the judge got because he didn't come in the next day so we had to reschedule now we're bringing in other Witnesses who

1:07:53

will fit in in in this tight schedule right so we have him on CCTV I believe for

1:08:00

three total days before the judge finally loses it like he's angry he's

1:08:06

ticked he lectures the crown and says you know and he he he misappropriates it

1:08:11

in saying if Alberta Health Services is going to hire these people and it wasn't Alberta Health Services that hired him it's actually the the it was actually

1:08:17

the crown uh this Alberta solicitor General's office the crown or chief medical examiner's office which is a

1:08:23

subset of the Alberta solicitor General's office um if they're going to hire people they

1:08:28

need to put them through courses so that they can articulate appropriately and actually provide meaningful evidence for

1:08:34

the courts right so he gets mad at the crown over this right so then the crown

1:08:40

decides oh okay we'll fly him in right when they had lied before in the past when they were making the application to

1:08:47

have him speak over CCTV they said that it'd be like 20 some OD hours of flights um and like this astronomical cost and

1:08:55

unfortun I didn't have the ability to because it just sprung up um so I didn't get on my phone fast enough to show that

1:09:01

it was like seven hours of flights you Liars I just I just I have right here a booking for a seven hour flight from

1:09:07

from Indiana to to Lethbridge and oh uh no it's not that much but they were

1:09:12

pulling the wo over um trying to pull the wo over everybody's eyes to justify him being down south rather than coming

1:09:17

up for some reason couldn't figure out why they didn't they didn't want him up here um and why he's being so elusive so

1:09:25

the judge order that he needs to come in and the crown says yeah we're going to go with it so he

1:09:31

comes um in July and he's accompanied by two regular

1:09:38

clothed individuals which we would find out were actually RCMP um in Street cloth right that are

1:09:46

accompanying him everywhere he goes bathroom everywhere like he's he's under protection thinking why what what's

1:09:53

wrong with this guy is he just that paranoid what's going on like we couldn't figure it out and I'm sure there's still stuff behind the scenes

1:09:58

that we don't fully understand as to what he was hoping maybe wouldn't get exposed and we never did expose it I

1:10:04

don't know but he was under full protection um when he came and now he's

1:10:10

testifying and it continues to get heated continues to get a little bit rambunctious as I'm busting him on these

1:10:17

lies and every time I did he it's like he couldn't pick up on where I was going he's not a good chess player I'm laying

1:10:24

the groundwork I'm asking all these questions to get them to to substantiate uh what these medical facts are and then

1:10:32

I say now what about this particular part of the autopsy that stands at variance with all that boom right oh Mr

1:10:38

stefen or Mr Stefani right he'd say stuff like that or Mr Ezekiel he'd call me right that's not the how it works

1:10:46

blah BL right he's just going off right just like going crazy like come on seriously stop it answer the question

1:10:52

right so actually I'll uh I'll pull up something here it's uh a

1:10:57

little interesting um here we go oops that's the wrong one it's what to pull up our

1:11:04

own page there we go all right so here's an article from I think the first time that he pres he actually was there

1:11:11

physically present right so now we're July 11th so we're like

1:11:16

basically six weeks into the trial at this point in time can you I'll just read that title for people who are who

1:11:22

are just listening cross examination of medical examiner becomes heated in Stefan's retrial yeah and so yeah yeah

1:11:30

so there are some very heated moments during testimony at the retrial of David and Colette Stefan on Thursday the couple is charged of fing necessaries of

1:11:36

life to their son Ezekiel who died in March 2012 now here here's interesting the media keeps on paring this because

1:11:43

remember at this point in time Supreme Court wrongful conviction but yet here they're saying in 2016 a jury found the

1:11:49

couple guilty the first thing that people are going to infer when they're reading that is oh well if they are found guilty by a jury back then they're

1:11:55

like still guilty today yeah when in reality no they were wrongfully convicted um due to right so the media

1:12:03

refuses to actually um acknowledge the truth there and then they say but the Supreme Court of Canada ordered a second

1:12:09

trial last year Dr badali Ado who was a medical examiner in 2012 testified for a

1:12:15

fourth day in the trial the doctor appeared via TV while he was cross examined by David Stefan who is

1:12:20

representing himself Thursday marked the second consecutive day of cross-examination okay so I'm wrong I

1:12:25

said it was after three days and then and then the judge ordered that he needs to come in no this was likely the the

1:12:31

last day the fourth day so now he's been four days in the trial he's eluding the

1:12:38

questions he's taking forever it's frustrating everybody and then that's when he's supposed to come in so I

1:12:44

believe it was more towards it might have been August actually that he finally came in uh in

1:12:51

person actually I'm pretty sure it was August um because I took a bit of a break in the summer there um waiting for

1:12:59

him to actually arrive so he was holding the whole trial up meanwhile we had already um presented our entire case of

1:13:08

Defense before he came up which is extremely abnormal and is a point of appeal right

1:13:15

there um but let's let's go back so the doctor and David stefen went back and forth over details and information that

1:13:21

were both included and left out of ezekiel's autopsy report such as the doctor not including the roughly 8

1:13:27

minutes Ezekiel went without oxygen in the ambulance so kind of interesting he was aware of the fact that Ezekiel went

1:13:35

over eight minutes or eight and a half minutes without oxygen but he didn't even put that in the autopsy report as a

1:13:41

potential contributing factor he completely tried to hide that part of the narrative which is what Albert heal

1:13:46

services in general was trying to do until it got leaked To Us by the fact

1:13:51

that we know one of the paramedics a family member leaked the fact that Ezekiel went without oxygen

1:13:57

that's how we found out about it not because of the medical evidence they tried to hide it and so here he tried to

1:14:04

hide it um and prevent it from ever becoming a part of his autopsy report

1:14:09

now here was something of Interest though so I'm cross-examining them and I'm asking them questions I said hey how

1:14:16

many how many pages did you get of medical evidence what did you refer to in order to come to your conclusion of

1:14:22

Bal manius he says I have all of it I I consider all of it like you considered all the medical evidence I considered

1:14:29

all of it Mr Stefan said okay how many pages did you have said do I have the

1:14:36

whole file here in exhibit whatever it was do I have the whole chief medical

1:14:42

examiner file he says yes that's it I consider all of it said there's only a

1:14:47

100 pages of medical files here I have over 600 pages over here I said how

1:14:55

could have you possibly considered all of it including all the stuff that said he didn't have bacterial menitis or

1:15:01

menitis at all when you didn't have it I I consider all of it no you didn't no

1:15:07

you didn't you have a 100 Pages here right so I'm just like I'm having to just

1:15:12

start L Ling into I'm I'm getting frustrated at this point because it's just like you didn't consider all it you're lying you were you were given a

1:15:18

very cherry-picked file from the hospital to get you to come to the conclusion of

1:15:25

bacterial manius reasonably omitting all of the evidence that said it wasn't that

1:15:31

to now you know this evidence May support it you can twist it in such a way so there was clearly a lot of

1:15:37

collusion taking place between the doctors out of the Alberta chones Hospital and the medical examiner's office for him to be given a very

1:15:45

specific cherry-picked portion of the medical files like less than one six of

1:15:50

the medical absolutely crazy so a point of of of relevance here

1:15:57

that's going to come up uh in our next podcast because that's actually when things get a little more exciting that's when basically the lid is blown off in

1:16:04

the corruption and the media goes completely silent on the whole of it of course they do

1:16:10

so I'm I'm cross-examining them and I'm no medical expert but I'm learning a lot

1:16:18

about it and principally like I did very well in the Sciences in high school and and I've been working in the Natural

1:16:23

Health Community now for 21 years um so it doesn't take it's not a stretch for me to understand the principles

1:16:29

right of what's going on right like when when I get them to qualify the fact that you know they increased his sodium at

1:16:35

way too high of a rate and went from at the Low Bottom range uh of where you're almost hyponatremia to the fact that now

1:16:41

you're well into hypernatremia and what that does in relation to causing osmotic demalation syndrome where it just kills

1:16:48

off the brain in the brain stem um so I'm cross-examining him all this all this type of stuff and he's actually

1:16:54

giving me some really good evence right in all of this right

1:16:59

and I I ask him because I'm now going for an overdose here and and how much fluid they gave him because they gave

1:17:05

him 600 milliliters of fluid within like the first 45 minutes which is where the

1:17:10

beginning of the spike in sodium came up to the point that it was actually causing brain death and so I'm asking

1:17:17

them you know I'm setting the stage and so first of all we know what his weight is we know what ezekiel's weight is and

1:17:24

so there's a chance that we can figure out how much blood he has on average so I asked him I said hey said how much

1:17:33

blood per kilogram of body weight does an infant have he says uh maybe 10 to 20

1:17:41

milliters I'm like I'm trying to hold back to laughter right in the courtroom

1:17:46

I'm like um Dr adago do you think that perhaps 80 milliliters would be more

1:17:52

correct he's like well maybe I'm like okay that changes my whole line

1:17:59

of questioning I can't even get him to qualify an overdose I can't get him to do it because he doesn't he wouldn't

1:18:06

know the evidence he when if he was given all the medical files and there was a clear overdose if a child ended up

1:18:12

with too much um saline fluid that caused hyper

1:18:18

volia including probably hyper nmia as well that that causes the the the

1:18:23

osmotic a shift of fluids from the cells to the extracellular fluid to the point that they shrink so fast that literally

1:18:29

it severs the axons on the neurons your brain cells thus just ripping them apart and killing them but the hyperemia would

1:18:37

create um hypoxia where you end up with less oxygen delivery because you just

1:18:42

diluted you know that fluid so much that you don't have as much oxygen being able to get to the brain and so he wouldn't

1:18:48

even be able to identify if there was an overdose there so if he had a file come across his desk he wouldn't be able to

1:18:54

take a look at it say child is 10 kilg will have 800 Millers of of um

1:18:59

extracellular fluid right or blood um

1:19:06

and he just received let's say 800 milliliters of saline within this short period of time oh clear clear-cut case

1:19:14

of of of Overdose right like that's going to kill him right there he wouldn't be able to do it because he he's not even he's not even conceiving

1:19:20

that he's not he doesn't know how much and this is a simple medical question he doesn't know how much blood per kilogram

1:19:27

of body weight that an infant would have which is basically the same as as an adult an adult will have about 70 milliliters of blood per kilogram of

1:19:33

body weight and an infant will have slightly more being about 80 milliliters of blood this is simple like um textbook

1:19:40

medical information and yet he's not aware of it and he's guessing four to

1:19:46

eight times off which is significant so that's going to provide a little bit of

1:19:51

relevance moving forward this type of information that wasn't the only instance where he displayed that he was

1:19:57

not medically competent um while I I I spent five days cross-examining

1:20:03

him so this happens then we have we're waiting on

1:20:08

Annie Savage to come and ret testify but Dr adago has to be finished before she

1:20:14

can rebut um all the stuff that he said and now our bills are racking up because

1:20:19

she has to go through every transcript that he does and we're talking five full days of transcri scripts that she's

1:20:25

having to go through and review and say he's wrong here he's wrong here he's wrong here okay and and she's undoing

1:20:33

all of the lies and deceptions and so she finally testifies by about

1:20:38

September of 20 19 so here we had just gone June July

1:20:46

August now we're at the end of August beginning of September and she's now testifying she comes and testifies and

1:20:52

completely lays to waste the whole narrative again but even better than she had in 2016 because we had more more

1:20:59

medical evidence um I C no I didn't cross-examiner Sean she she actually

1:21:04

recom or she she she didn't want me to cross-examine her for some reason I'm like all right fine and I think it's

1:21:11

because um she was aware of the information or where I was going to go in relation to electrolyte imbalance and all that and I don't know fully exactly

1:21:18

what what she had against it right but her Theory which she held from the lack

1:21:23

of evidence that she had back in 2016 is that Ezekiel had viral menitis but this is what she testified

1:21:32

is that it wasn't established enough to have caused any issues that it couldn't have it couldn't have been a contributing factor to him going into

1:21:38

arrest so then I had Sean ask her the

1:21:44

question was that Viral menitis um so underdeveloped that there

1:21:50

is the possibility that that could have developed while in hospital and she emphatically said yes yeah I could have

1:21:57

which makes sense going back to our discussion last podcast where they gave him 17 steroid treatments that compromis

1:22:03

immune system and they had anti antiviral that would not prevent Intero virus the number one cause of viral

1:22:08

menitis from from establishing now he already had major damaged tissue which is much more prone to infection from the

1:22:16

three hours of hypoxic injury that he um had while in transport to the Alberta

1:22:22

Jones hospital so he had massive brain death death one of the doctors testified it was the most devastating uh CT scan

1:22:28

she'd ever seen and what she was qualifying was the fact that yeah you he had brain death from hypernia so osmotic

1:22:37

demalation syndrome compounded by three hours of hypoxic injury um that's

1:22:42

exactly what you anticipate to see uh in a CT scan after that type of um uh

1:22:47

issues arising from medical intervention and so now he develops

1:22:53

viral uh menitis while in hospital but not developed enough that it would have

1:22:58

created any issues there wasn't enough inflammation there wasn't enough development it was basically surface

1:23:04

level menus if you basically put it in that term so then it was also posed uh

1:23:09

to adbo I posed this I said look said is there any way possible that that right

1:23:14

plural empa that you said was one of the causes of death of Ezekiel actually developed in hospital and it's funny because this was

1:23:22

after I broke him down right this is after I'd already exposed on so many lies he actually qualified that yeah it

1:23:27

could have it could have developed um which means that he was lying in 2016 because he was saying how

1:23:34

developed it was and he and it takes about six weeks to come to full development to the point that it'll

1:23:40

actually restrict one's breathing and he was trying to allude to it being that

1:23:45

welldeveloped that that was a contributing cause of death for Ezekiel when now he's saying yeah it could have

1:23:51

developed in hospital over five days which it wouldn't have been to the point that it was actually restricting his

1:23:56

breathing but yet they still felt the need to put that into the autopsy report

1:24:01

and withhold the X-ray that showed that he had clear lungs upon arrival

1:24:08

so what's interesting about this

1:24:14

um is that everybody testifies we're now almost three in a half months total

1:24:20

trial with multiple breaks in between because adago was was so elusive trying

1:24:25

to to you know he was hiding something and you know not not making himself

1:24:31

available so now um the judge is going to come up with a

1:24:37

ruling and so September 19th 2019 rolls

1:24:44

around we have to come back because we're living 10 hours North at this point in time so we're making multiple

1:24:49

trips throughout the summer so now we have we come all the way back down get into the

1:24:55

courtroom and there's a lot of people there including um at least one juror

1:25:01

from the first trial comes and sits in on on the on the uh the verdict right um

1:25:08

so this is you know just a full full courtroom we're sitting there we're thinking how corrupt is this how corrupt

1:25:14

is this I mean this judge is good to us throughout the trial but he's you know he's now been two weeks like how

1:25:20

influenced has he been and uh he comes out

1:25:25

and he starts reading his his verdict and gets you know about talks about how

1:25:32

um you know crowns theory was this defense theory was this that uh that Colette and David

1:25:40

Stefan didn't see these symptoms because he didn't have menitis um and and then found us not

1:25:49

guilty courtroom erupts almost almost everybody in the courtroom is happy about this almost everybody not every

1:25:55

almost everybody right erupts we're shocked we can't we can't even believe

1:26:00

what we just heard because of the the level of corruption that we'd experienced through all the courts to that point in time other than the

1:26:06

Supreme Court and

1:26:11

um he basically just shuts his book and you can just see this look on his face like that there's there's so much more

1:26:18

behind the scenes and he he just walks out right after he finds guilty but he's

1:26:24

got on his shoulders like you can visibly see it I think he knew exactly what he had

1:26:29

just done he knew that he was involved in one of the most corrupt court cases in Canadian

1:26:36

history he knows that he just found us not guilty when the powers up B and huge

1:26:44

forces were needing this agenda to move forward and I think that he knew that he

1:26:51

was going to get hung out to dry because what would happen happened is

1:26:58

um the media would immediately attack Us in fact it was

1:27:03

funny because we're found not guilty we're thinking oh you know this is great finally Vindicated the media attacks us now this

1:27:10

is at the same time that the whole Scandal about Justin Trudeau's going on in the news with the whole blackface

1:27:17

thing right which time well this well September 2019 time I think it was the

1:27:24

first that it really blew up all right and we basically sidelined that uh the

1:27:30

media used us as a focal point so Justin Trudeau didn't get near the attention that he should have for his his garbage

1:27:37

going on and so we it was amazing because what the media was conveying is not just not guilty

1:27:44

right oh right no no basically they should be guilty is what was being communicated here's what they did and

1:27:50

didn't do and they're they're still paring this false narrative just spewing

1:27:55

all the stuff that now goes against the court facts that had been established over the last three and a half months

1:28:01

and making the public even more mad at us the amount of hate mail was phenomenal in the days following or hate

1:28:08

messages I guess mail is an email not email but uh Facebook messages all that type of stuff where people get through

1:28:13

to us um the amount was phenomenal like it was just this eruption of of a vital

1:28:21

because here now we're found not guilty but yet the public has been so convinced that we're monsters and we should be

1:28:27

guilty and that we should be um you know hung in The Gallows right

1:28:33

so now after that dies down uh this this lovely

1:28:41

lady um uh Juliet gishan um pops up and uh I'll get i'll

1:28:50

get into that in a second I guess let me give me one second here I'm gonna there's another media article that that

1:28:56

uh I want to share here um oh is that the one that's the one

1:29:04

right so then this pops up uh right away okay coming right out of this this

1:29:11

lady uh well this is this is a newer article you'll see this is from 2023 a

1:29:17

whitewash judge investigated for perceived racist remarks won't face

1:29:23

sanctions so this is a nasty article about the the judge you know four years

1:29:28

or three and a half years out but what it what it stems off of is the fact that Juliet gishan and so now I pull up

1:29:35

another article here um that says the judge's bizarre remarks in Ezekiel Stephen Cas signal a miscarriage of

1:29:42

Justice okay so this was originally posted

1:29:48

October 2nd 2019 so we're talking two weeks out so it's authored by Juliet gishan

1:29:56

Ian Mitchell and Pauline alak alaka something like that but Juliet gishan is

1:30:02

the head mouthpiece in this now Juliet Gan is interesting because I knew the

1:30:08

name but never knew who she was and then I ran across her and the reason why I

1:30:14

knew her name was in 2016 she authored a number of smear articles on myself and

1:30:22

Copp and I thought who's this journalist right juliia gishan and then in 2018 I'm

1:30:28

covering the Jeremy and Jennifer Clark case and I am walking out during lunch

1:30:34

break and I see the reporters interviewing this lady that I thought

1:30:39

was like the grandma of of Little John Wyatt Clark um I talked about that court

1:30:44

case last uh last episode yeah and um and so I stop and when she sees that I

1:30:50

stop and I'm pulling up my recording equipment to just record whatever's going on uh she becomes Vis visibly distraught

1:30:58

and uncomfortable and starts acting really strange and then the whole thing is shut down right away and I I tried to

1:31:03

ask her her name and she refused and I said are you with child family services what are right she was talking about

1:31:09

this agenda about laying charges on bystanders of of this type of situation

1:31:16

so what she was calling for in our case was that the Midwife nurse was should be charged right that my dad should be

1:31:23

charged because he saw Ezekiel the night before and didn't have any concerns but he should have had concerns and should

1:31:29

have reported those or should have made sure that Ezekiel got to the hospital right but there was no concerns to be

1:31:35

seen but she's saying that there was right so she's trying to get there's this law in place that has never been

1:31:41

used and she's trying to springboard off of it that basically it turns people into narcs right so she's pushing this

1:31:49

so I'm I'm asking who you with like you're pushing a child family service agenda are you with child family services she refuses so I had video over

1:31:55

her so I sent it to my brother and said find out who this is and later that evening I'd find out it's Julia gishan

1:32:02

I'm like I know the name so I went and Googled her name and the first thing it pops up is pictures of me and my wife I'm like why am i showing up on her

1:32:09

searches I'm like it's that that journalist she's not a journalist but yet CBC as you can see

1:32:16

here this is a CBC article I have pulled up here that she's authored this article

1:32:21

CBC for some R reason allow s her to publish articles as if she's a

1:32:27

journalist but in reality what she is is she's a bioethicist out of the

1:32:33

University of Calgary which you know bioethicists are there to say you know is things like

1:32:39

made right assisted suicide is that um ethical right is abortion ethical is you

1:32:48

know vaccines that uh that can cause these issues are they ethical that's

1:32:53

what she's her job is to do but yet she's found herself pushing the fluoride like if you Google her name now you'll

1:32:58

find that uh that it's all about fluoride she's pushing fluoride into the waters um she is a major push on uh um

1:33:08

or she was going against vaping in favor of big tobacco um she received the public

1:33:16

health hero award in uh the late I think about

1:33:22

around 2012 2013 I think 2013 Public Health hero award for the fact that she

1:33:28

created such a stir against the Catholic School Board because the Catholic School

1:33:34

Board wasn't accepting the HPV vaccine saying that it would increase or um uh

1:33:41

that it would promote promiscuity um amongst you know young

1:33:46

girls um and the fact that the HPV vaccine is dangerous in the first place it's one of

1:33:52

the worst so she created such a public stir over it that she bent the whole Canadian

1:33:58

Catholic School Board over the barrel that they actually accepted the HPV

1:34:03

vaccine and as such she re receives this public health hero award after you know how many young

1:34:11

girls lives have been devastated over the HPV vaccine now from her from her actions right so in essence what she is

1:34:18

is she is a um an industry prostitute is what she is and she looks like like this

1:34:24

just nice Grandma right like she she really does um it it confused me when I

1:34:30

saw her for the first time uh but really she's just just a really bad person so

1:34:37

what she does is she incites this claim of racism and gets all these peers to

1:34:45

sign this paper 40 of them uh from from Ottawa and from the University of Calgary and University of Alberta all of

1:34:52

these people that are part of her if you will she has him sign this document lawyers and doctors um to basically

1:35:01

attest to this you know miscarriage of justice that Terry claxon had just engaged in by finding us not guilty and

1:35:08

that he's a racist so you know we'll see here uh such folk or at the bottom here

1:35:13

um could be evidence of racism right so then the media starts to really

1:35:18

springboard off that so within two weeks of us being found not guilty the judges is now racist so disregard anything that

1:35:26

he had to say what's interesting is the encounter you guys had at that other trial the

1:35:33

fact that that was her initial reaction rather than maybe even having a

1:35:39

conversation with you as an Ethics Professor right to actually have a conversation with you to um maybe get

1:35:46

her point across or to learn more about your point or to have a have a discussion you know but to actually have

1:35:53

the reaction that she had just you know goes to show what a coward lack of backbone and yeah industry prostitute

1:35:59

that that that individual has chosen to to become and yeah the uh I mean if

1:36:04

you're writing opinion pieces for CBC it just goes to show where your paycheck is coming from and where your um bias is

1:36:11

going to be sat yeah what an individual yeah clearly not on the right

1:36:17

side of Truth uh for her to be extremely awkward in my presence like extremely

1:36:23

awkward award and that was the first thing I'm just like confused like I have to find out who this lady is because she knows who I am and she was very visibly

1:36:31

uncomfortable being in my presence like it it was like you know two magnets putting them together you know the the

1:36:37

two North facing portions of magnet just repulses right I'm like who is this this

1:36:43

lady I and so what was interesting is that was at lunch break she goes intend

1:36:48

the rest of the trial that day I come back and I come back a little bit later than her somebody had taken my regular spot where was jotting down notes and

1:36:54

whatever so I like oh okay I'll pick a new spot ah there she is I decided to go sit at the end of the aisle where she

1:37:00

is so at the end of the trial she'd have to stand up and walk past me I made sure that I delayed in getting

1:37:08

out of there and packing up all my stuff as slow as I could almost everybody else was out of the courtroom she still

1:37:13

wouldn't move she wouldn't get that close to me so then I'm like okay I got to find

1:37:18

out who this this nice Grandma looking lady is who's really a wolf in sheep's clothing right like who is this person

1:37:25

so anyways I found out who she was and realized whoa this is one of the pushers

1:37:30

of the agenda she works in the University of Calgary I would bet I

1:37:35

would bet money that she is probably um in collaboration or in

1:37:42

consultation with some of these Pediatric Intensive Care doctors and is probably actually saying flag these

1:37:50

types of people that come in when they come in this is how we handle it we're looking for this type of situation yeah

1:37:57

I'm betting she's the Kingpin within the because the University of Calgary in the Alberta Children's Hospital are one and

1:38:02

the same the Albert Children's Hospital is a University of Calgary um Hospital

1:38:08

in fact when I went and interviewed um one of the researchers that had done uh

1:38:15

studies on the Empower plus that was a building I went to it was it was a different wing of where the Alberta

1:38:21

Children Hospital is but yet she's she works for the the University of Calgary yet I was going to the same location

1:38:27

just going to a different side of the building altogether not the hospital side but the administrative side that's

1:38:33

where your University of Calgary researchers and professors are wow I guess the lesson is to just be

1:38:40

weary of of sweet old ladies I guess I would I would say so I would

1:38:48

absolutely say so um I think I had a picture of her pulled up but I don't know I don't know if it's

1:38:54

um let's see here real quick because yes I think we we need a a good look at uh

1:39:00

at what she looks like oh see that oh wait no that's with my name attached to it yeah so if we just go like this so

1:39:07

beware she looks really nice she looks like she would be like baking you lovely

1:39:13

cookies and stuff for your birthday right like that's the fluide thing is amazing I I I looked her up as well and

1:39:19

the things she's saying about it is just like it's just speaking out of a pharmaceutical notebook it's unb it's

1:39:26

unbelievable like you to be a a scientist a researcher a person of Education than to be having these types

1:39:32

of opinions about something like that it's oh it's just almost hilarious yeah yeah so shocking the

1:39:40

people that are actually pushing the agenda you never you never think it so then what happens is all of these

1:39:49

claims are being made you've got doctors uh there's a doctor of Nova Scotia New

1:39:55

Brunswick who um publishes sorry no they they put together a petition and just

1:40:02

laid out all these fellacio claims as to why the crown needs to appeal and trying to make this a public Uprising against

1:40:08

us like this is how big this is getting the Canadian um c m AJ Canadian Medical

1:40:16

Association Journal there we go Canadian Medical Association okay they've got like 880,000 you know people right uh do

1:40:23

doctors that are subscribed to them Canadian Medical Association right it's like the AMA American Medical

1:40:28

Association just probably one tenth the size because we have one tenth of population here but within their journal

1:40:34

the CMA CM AJ they published an article on our court case laying out all this

1:40:41

fallacious garbage as well and then citing the fact that there's this petition going on to petition the

1:40:47

government to recharge us and to come at us again right so you can see all of

1:40:52

these forces rising up and they're all using these false claims that are coming from CBC but you can see that the powers

1:40:59

at B are doing everything they can in their power to make sure that this

1:41:04

agenda goes forward because this agenda is necessary for the monopolization of medicine in Canada that you don't have a

1:41:11

chance to go natural medicine without being a criminal or homeopathic medicine um right or Artic or whatever it's

1:41:18

basically another attempt to remove anything outside of allopathic or uh

1:41:25

petroleum based rockfeller medicine right and so you see everybody's rearing

1:41:31

their ugly heads on the matter and so

1:41:37

um shortly after that uh we're coming up now Thanksgiving

1:41:42

Thanksgiving weekend in Canada anyways uh which is in October and so the crown

1:41:48

has 30 days to appeal coming up on that time thinking

1:41:54

maybe they won't appeal they got their backside handed to him in this court case what and I was self-representing like it's pretty much it's a pretty big

1:42:02

embarrassment yeah but then again I'm looking at him saying wow they're burning this judge to the ground like

1:42:07

his career is destroyed he now has a complaint Lodge against him with the um Canadian judicial Council right and all

1:42:14

that like he he he's just getting hung out to dry now and I think that's going back to it I'm pretty sure he knew that

1:42:19

he was up for for some serious backlash um and he got it and it and it went on for years to the

1:42:25

point that finally in 2023 that he was absolved of everything but he had to basically admit that he was wrong even

1:42:31

though he wasn't wrong and we have we have the leaked um or not leaked well

1:42:36

they're kind of leaked there is in public some audio recordings of adbo in

1:42:44

the court proceedings that almost nobody can understand like I you listen to it and you can't

1:42:51

make heads and tales of what he's trying to say MH and qualifies exactly what the judge was saying that it was problematic

1:42:58

and that also his Antics were unprofessional which they were and we actually have there's a recording out

1:43:04

there that of him um ranting and just raving like just just like a mad lunatic

1:43:10

in the courtroom and that audio is is out there and yet the judge had to admit

1:43:17

that he was wrong and go through a course to make sure that he was more sensitive to people of of different

1:43:23

ethnic background like no no no that's not the way it works I'm English speaking the judge is English speaking

1:43:31

I'm the defense I have a right if if I'm the accused I have a right to be able to

1:43:38

understand the allegations that are coming against me it's a fundamental right it's part of the the court proceedings you can't be more sensitive

1:43:45

to people of ethnic background that are incomprehensible right where now it compromises the defense's ability to

1:43:52

defend from going to jail right that's just wrong um and so that's some of the fundamental principles found within the

1:43:58

court system and yet now he's a racist and he has to go through courses to be

1:44:03

more sensitive to those types of people so that um when we end up with a raging

1:44:09

lunatic on the stand that's already hard enough to understand but once he gets mad and he really starts to just garble

1:44:14

his his his stuff that we have to accept that somehow is the defense like anyways

1:44:19

yeah we're going to learn in part eight about um ago's real um ability to be

1:44:26

unprofessional so we'll leave that there for part eight indeed yes so we're

1:44:31

coming up to to to Thanksgiving Friday rolls around Thanksgiving weekend's coming up all

1:44:38

right good like time is ticking Crown isn't going to appeal good all right

1:44:43

this is great news we've finally been Vindicated even though the media has created even more vital towards us as

1:44:49

they continue to spew their narratives we ended up putting in for retractions with the media because they kept on

1:44:55

spewing all of this vile filth that couldn't be substantiated in any of the court cases and so then sure enough they

1:45:02

do their retractions but they don't do it front page like they did when they smeared you so nobody knows about the

1:45:07

retraction so they're still left with this taste in their mouth that David stefen somehow

1:45:12

self-represented got off lucky because of a racist judge right like it's just

1:45:18

just laughable and so Thanksgiving goes

1:45:24

by and uh it's now Tuesday and so you know long weekend

1:45:29

whatever and I get a phone call from a media contact he says hey so what do you think

1:45:36

about the Crown's appeal I said what are you talking about

1:45:42

the crowns appeal he says well they appealed they appealed on Friday said what I said they haven't

1:45:50

supplied us with anything well once again it was another one of their dirty tactics incredibly dirty tactics where

1:45:56

they're trying to play a psychological game they had gone and filed an appeal

1:46:02

to the courts on the Friday hoping that the media was going to pick up on it for

1:46:07

some reason though not a single media Outlet picked up on it they nobody got the message for some reason not sure if

1:46:13

they all took the day off early or Fray right Friday and it's Thanksgiving weekend but nobody picked up on it but

1:46:20

when they when they Supply that they're supposed to file it to us immediately it's Tuesday they still hadn't filed it

1:46:26

to us they were likely hoping that we were going to hear about this appeal

1:46:32

surprise over Thanksgiving weekend and ruin that weekend for us and just you know like I said they've been playing

1:46:38

these psychological games try to break us for years and so now they're appealing and then for the third year in

1:46:46

a row we'll get to see what happens on my birthday right third year in a row um

1:46:52

where more Court proceedings uh end up coming into play but basically you know

1:46:59

that's how we're we're left off realizing you know this is just like a never ending game as the crown you know

1:47:10

comes in and relentlessly appeals again right and we're already we're already

1:47:15

dead broke at this point in time from from everything so we couldn't really afford another appeal but fortunately

1:47:21

fundraising kicked in again and we were able to to to get somewhat prepared for it

1:47:27

so amazing well what a great place to finish off part seven of the true Hope

1:47:33

Family files it's been quite the uh Journey so far and we've got one episode

1:47:38

left to go next week that is going to be titled covid Court corruption and the

1:47:43

future for True hope Canada um thank you so much David for taking us through um

1:47:49

part seven there some interesting ups and downs some even more interesting characters coming coming into the

1:47:56

conversation as well so thank you so much for that well thank you for doing

1:48:01

this hosting this whole thing of course it's been absolute pleasure I'm looking forward to getting uh getting this out

1:48:06

in its entirety and sharing the whole thing with a lot of people because it's it's not something we could have done in just one episode or or one podcast it

1:48:13

has to has to get done properly in detail and in depth and I feel like we've done a pretty good job with that so far and I'm really excited for the

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