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does one begin a journey towards the unconventional and our guest is Dr Thomas Cohen Dr Thomas is a well-known

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alternative Medical Doctor Author and speaker with a common sense holistic approach to health and wellness he has

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given countless lectures and workshops throughout the US on various subjects in health and medicine and is the author of

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six books recent Publications include the contagion myth co-authored by Sally

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uh Fallon cancer and the new biology of water and human heart Cosmic heart until

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he retired from active Practice Dr Cohen had a General Medical Practice in San Francisco for 17 years preceded by 17

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years in Peter NH and several years in Upstate New York he was a founding board

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member of the western A price foundation and currently serves as its vice president the new biology.com is his

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latest passion an opportunity to collaborate with other leading doctors and scientists in various new biology

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disciplines share knowledge with colleagues and provide people with well-needed support for their health concerns using

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new biology methodologies today we're going to be discussing challenging conventional views enjoy the

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show all right Dr Tom welcome to True Hope cast how are you what is going

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well it's going well uh thanks for having me uh well we thought one of our

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goats wasn't feeling well and turns out he seems fine I think he just uh didn't

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get enough water yesterday so that's going well so you've been dealing with a dehydrated goat maybe yeah I'm not sure

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that's the proper diagnosis but his tongue was hanging out and he was looking a little funny yesterday so well

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I hope it's just a simple case of dehydration it seems to be a simple cure for that and nothing more serious yes

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okay that was good all right well today we're going to be discussing um challenging conventional views big topic

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I'm very interested to to get some perspectives from yourself and see where this go and at the end of the podcast

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we're going to be offering some solutions to um um help people begin their Journey towards the unconventional

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and I think a lot of people are going to get some get some really good positive um solutions from that but let's kick

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off with um a little bit of an introduction about who you are and what it is that you do if you don't

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mind uh so I was a a guy who grew up with the expectation that I would be a

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doctor my parents friends were doctors and I didn't like it so I tried to do whatever I could to

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not be a doctor so I joined the Peace Corps and taught gardening in swasiland

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and then I realized that the kind of doctor that I didn't want to be was not the only kind of doctor there was so I

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then reconciled in fact at that point then it actually I found out I was fascinated in the subject so that made

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it easy for me to go to medical school and and I would say the most important

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thing people may want to know is that I've spent my 40s plus year

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career investigating what in Science Biology and medicine is actually true

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and what isn't and over the years I've written a bunch of books uh just as an

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example uh demonstrating I would say proving but that may be too strong a

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word that for instance the heart doesn't pump the blood unlike what we were

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taught blocked arteries don't cause heart attacks uh vaccines are neither safe nor

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effective later I then found out that viruses don't exist and bacteria don't

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make you sick and uh cancer has nothing to do with genetics and in fact genetics

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itself is not actually accurate DNA is not hereditary material unlike what

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we've been taught uh there are uh the nerves don't have synapses and neurotransmitters have

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nothing to do with nerve transmission and sort of on and on so I

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just kept looking and uh just try to find out you know there are certain things that were told are true right and

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I wanted to find out uh where they came from H how did we come up with this this

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and is it actually true and I was willing to say it was or it wasn't

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depending on whatever I found and that's what I found and that obviously has a big impact on how one does medicine yeah

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because if there's no viruses which is the case uh one shouldn't give a vaccine

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to prevent a viral infection because that makes no sense uh and it for me it

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was just a process of figuring out how do you know if there is or there isn't

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simple as that how and where on your journey through medicine do you come to

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be let's say healthily skeptical about these things I because I I think it's I

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think there's so many things that we are told within the our conventional mainstream world that we probably should

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shouldn't just take for granted we should ask more questions and we should be more inquisitive we should be more skeptical um and I wonder like where

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along your journey did you start asking these types of questions because that's not a normal pathway like your your

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pathway is not a normal pathway am I right in saying that yes I started when I was probably about

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five and people often ask me that and of course I don't really know you know I

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don't know what happened to me but I have a theory or a

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hypothesis and you know if you say if you ask somebody so so believing in what

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you're told is is sort of like acquiescing to Authority right do you

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agree with that yeah and I don't know if you would agree with this but the main Authority in a young boy's life is his

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father at least for a while uh so this this the wording of

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this is I have to be careful but I had the the blessing I now call it to have a

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father who clearly was unreliable as an authority figure okay and I I actually

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heard this first from Mr Rogers and he said it's a blessing to

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have that because you then learn to question authority right because the

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authority figure in your life is is ridiculous and that was clearly the case

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with me I don't know need to go into the whole story but I saw that by the time I

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was 10 or 12 so it was very natural for me and in fact uh that's sort of where I

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went is well if that Authority isn't right then why should I believe any

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Authority and then then came a major Revelation in my life and if there's

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anything that I want people to remember from hearing me it's this following

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thing so I'll tell you this is that the essence of Common Sense proper thinking

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logic rational thinking and I would even say science is when somebody makes a

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claim you investigate the claim and you do not need to know an alternative

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theory for that CL for that phenomena let let me give you example if

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somebody says do you know why there's clouds in the sky and they and then rain

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falls I've actually looked into this because I'm very interested in water and I can tell you it's extremely

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complicated I can imagine water is heavier than the air and I don't see how

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the water is floating around in these clouds and it just the whole thing is is

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really complicated and so uh somebody comes along and says I know why there's rain

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there's a bunch of elephants floating around in the sky and they pee down and

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then that's what we call rain now what I learned when I was like 20 25 is the way to approach that

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situation is to say to the person so how high up are the elephants a mile are

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they normal size yeah normaliz elephants are they what's color pink gray no

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they're Gray density everything right so you got the the the the claim down path then you

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take a helicopter or an airplane you go up there when it's raining 10 different places not a single

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elephant right I can tell you with confidence the reason for rain is not

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elephants I still don't know why there's rain

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right now I can tell you I can tell you with confidence the heart does not pump

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the blood there is no way I can tell you the one of the facts about that is you

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look at the outflow tube of the heart it's an arch called the aortic Arch now

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think about that let's say you put a you have a spigot on your house and you have a garden hose that's that's shaped like

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an arch right you with me yeah I'm with you and the garden hose can bend right

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can go like this or like this so you turn it off you turn it on full

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blast right what's the garden ho is gonna do starts out like

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this it's gonna stretch out right it's GNA straighten right now if you think

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about pumping blood sticky fluid with stuff in it that's the diameter of the

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vessels about 100,000 miles stopping halfway in its joint Journey that is a

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hell of a push right you know what happens to the to the aortic Arch when

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you when you syy the contraction it goes like this it bends

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in there is no possible way that you can push fluid and have the outflow tube

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Bend IN and that tells you it's not a push

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it's a suction and then the whole thing is wrong now when I was 20 some I was

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working in a cardiac calf lab where they inject the dye and they watch the blood and every time heart uh contracts aortic

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Arch goes in so I asked the cardiologist I said that doesn't make any sense

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because if it's pushing the blood it would straighten and I said why is that he

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said well that's just the way it does okay and so I knew then that these guys

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they they have theories and dogma and when it doesn't fit the actual facts

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they just add another theory on it uh and that's how science and

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medicine has evolve and that's why it doesn't

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work well that's a it's a really interesting example because what would be the harm in an alternative Theory

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would that just would it be an embarrassment to the establishment to think oh we actually got we've had this wrong for 200 years or you know is it

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just know there's not not people investigating this anymore because it's done it's you know it's done and dusted we figured that out

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already uh it's partly that it's partly that if you see one of the problems with

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scientists and medical doctors in particular and this goes for everything

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if you not every Mo very many things if you uh if you say

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well who came up with this theory that the heart pumps the blood what I mean by that is a pressure

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propulsion device they don't know uh well and so it just somehow

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became fact and nobody actually knows where it came from right look let me

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give you another example uh what is the shape of DNA a Helix okay uh do you know who came

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up with that I don't know it's actually you probably do Watson and cck oh okay

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yeah right 1953 paper in nature I now if you ask any medical

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doctor and I totally want people to go do this have you ever read Watson and

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cric's paper it's it published in nature you can easily find it on the internet I don't know a single Doctor Who has me I

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did now so I go to the paper and this is a proof that DNA is a double helix which

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is a huge part of the whole theory of genetics right big time yeah so what

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does he saying there he says I I can read it to you I'd have to go find the quote so I don't really want to do that

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so you can go and check me he says well we assumed a rot

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angle of every eight angstroms now think about that for a

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minute assume if I assume that something is shaped like this oh my God it's a

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circle there isn't a measurement in the whole article in other words he came up in his

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mind or they came up in their minds with this model would work if it's a double

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helix and so they said we then assumed that the rotational angle which is the

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definition of a helix right it rotates every so often and they never measured

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it there's not a measurement in the whole paper and then they showed an

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x-ray x-ray crystallography of something they claimed was purified DNA now let's

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let me just go back a little how did they discovered DNA right do you know you don't know

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that right you don't know guy named mner 1930s and I don't know if you're

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interested in this stuff but this is this is good so so they said at that

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time the DNA is in the nucleus right and it's a protein and that we know that

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because it's rich in Sulfur so how so then nobody really asked the question

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how did they figure that out well they took a nucleus and they dehydrated it

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and then they mixed it with sulfuric acid and they got sulfur Rich

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chemicals so that was the the protein proteins are sulfur Rich

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chemicals so it's a protein mner came along guy name guys that's his name mner

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he said wait I have a different way I'm going to extract it with phosphoric

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acid and he got in instead of a sulfur Rich chemical he got a phosphorus Rich

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chemical and then he said this can't be a protein this is an entirely new class

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of chemicals so we're going to call it DNA which is a phosphorus Rich

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chemical now if I was there I would have said something like yo mner how do you

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know that the you didn't get a phosphorus Rich chemical because you

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extracted it with phosphoric acid instead of sulfuric acid

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because there's no controls in the experiment I read it and he does he

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wouldn't know so they get this chemical and then they expose an x-ray Beam on it

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for 62 continuous hours that's pretty interesting like if

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I took your hand and exposed it to an x-ray for 62 continuous hours and then

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they get a picture on an X-ray film like this and they said that's a double

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helix so that's where the original idea and then they made the bond angle what

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was so interesting about that is a group of graduate students about 20 years later decided to repeat the X-ray study

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but not with an extraction from a nucleus but with the spring from a ballpoint pen you know how you have pens

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and they have little Springs so they did that and they got the exact same

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picture and so and at this point all you can say is we're equally likely to have

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a substance in the nucleus that's a phosphorus Rich chemical called DNA or

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it could be the spring of a ballpoint pen and we can't really tell the

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difference because they as far as the evidence say they look the same well I

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just thinking about like 19 did you say it was 1938 or something like that it was back in the 30s and and the 50s you

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you were using your examples from I just think back then like it would have been like tough times for for anybody and

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trying to make a name for yourself and and and discover something would have been a very very important part of

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climbing the ladder being successful getting more money getting more success so do you think there's an element of

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that in regard ards to that example of I don't know do we call that lazy science or just poor science or just not

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science it's pseudo science pseudo science uh I mean I I don't know the

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motivation of the guy I didn't I don't know mner or rosin Franklin or Watson

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and Crick I mean you know I know Watson and Crick were like Freemasons you know

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so it's a little weird and and they got this because his wife had a hallucination that there was the double

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helix so that's like how we do science uh so

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so you know the the caducus is an ancient esoteric

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symbol so I think it was an attempt this is a speculation on my part I sort of

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tend to not like to speculate because I don't know what his thinking was right I don't know the guy but I think they were

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trying to co-opt an ancient esoteric symbol

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just here's another example of that um the whole theory of genetics and protein

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synthesis which is a big deal now because of mRNA shots right you've heard

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of those I have is mRNA is translated into protein right that mRNA is the code

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for the protein and the protein is makes up living systems like us that's the

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structure okay the way it works is DNA is in the nucleus which you can see you

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can see a nucleus and a cytoplasm and then it makes mRNA in the

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nucleus it gets out of the nucleus goes to the cytoplasm where it's translated

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I.E made into protein by on a structure called a

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ribosome okay that's how it works so you give an mRNA shot it's supposed to make

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protein in the ribosome now let's look at a few of

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those details first of all uh do you know who in who discovered the

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ribosome I don't right nobody ask your doctor he doesn't know either so they

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they have no idea but I do because I look into these things and so one of one

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of the things that you find out is every picture of a ribosome which you can only

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see in an electron microscope is a perfect circle right Perfect Circle

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every single one and that is the evidence that there is a structure now in order to get an electron microscope

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picture you take the tissue right whatever it is you put it in a blender

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and then you you freeze it to about 180 degrees below zero and then you put

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heavy metal stains on it and certain acids and then you embed it in a resin

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and then you shoot in a beam at it which gets rid of all the water and then you get a powder and then you can see it

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with an electron microscope what you're seeing is heavy metal staining right so

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those are the facts now first question if I did that to your hand put it in a

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blender dehydrated it froze it Etc do you think I would know what your hand looks like and what it does no no cuz

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that's ridiculous the second thing is if if it's a perfect circle on a a

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two-dimensional picture it had to have been a sphere in real

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life right makes sense yeah yeah so like an orange now what are the chances if you

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took an orange and put it in a blender that all the pieces would be perfect

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circles Slim I would say

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none I'll go with so how did they get that

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picture how is that every picture is a perfect circle uh it it cannot be and so that

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structure doesn't actually exist in fact a guy named Harold Hilman proved that

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those pictures are gas bubbles that's why they're perfect circles from dead

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and dying tissue that are fixed with the stain and that's why you see them and

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there is no anatomical structure called a ribosome which means there's nowhere for

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this mRNA to be made into protein which means the whole thing is a bunch of

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hoie now here's the interesting part of this that goes along with your question

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do you know what the word ribosome means no rib r i b o That's of the Soma

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you know what the Som is the body the body have you ever heard the phrase rib

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of the body no yes you have how was Eve

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created from God no Eve was Adam was created from God okay and Eve was

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created from the rib of the body of Adam oh okay that's what it says I don't know

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if it's true but that's what it says okay so in other words they're telling you that the creation of the physical

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structure of a human being which is protein is made from the rib of the

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body and so they're laughing at you okay we know that it's like the Bible sort of

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thing you know but we're going to tell you it's this structure just because

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we're ma mocking you so how do they come up with that I mean I don't know but it's a sort of

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it's a frequent thing that happens like mockery now the other part of that story

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is remember the MRNA is made in the nucleus right and you can put a probe in the

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nucleus and the cytoplasm and the pH is different

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that's easily measurable 100% of the time which means the hydrogen ions don't

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go back and forth and equilibrate otherwise the pH would be the same right

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right so that means the P the hydrogen ions can't go back and forth and so

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somehow there the MRNA is a million times bigger than a hydrogen

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ion right it's got this whole long molecule with thousands of hydrogens so

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how do you have a door that lets the MRNA out of the

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nucleus but doesn't let the hydrogen ion go in and out right or put it another

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way I got this elephant and I want a door to let the elephant out that the

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door keeps the mosquitoes from going in and out okay how do I make the

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door and answer you don't okay there ain't no door they can't see the door

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that's not possible it's just pure it's

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nonsense so the whole thing is nonsense and like I say you know you can go into

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the whole history of this but you can say well what difference does

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this this is the whole basis of of modern medicine that's why they give you

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these these Co shots to make you make protein which by the way no Co shot has

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ever made anybody make a spike Protein that's nonsense so that's a whole lot of

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information and I appreciate the breakdown it's very very interesting to to go through that go through that

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Journey why is it that um you're you're in a very small group of individuals to

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to think this way and to do alternative research or actual research and look

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deep into the um the creation of well looking at the these initial experiments

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looking at the actual research that was done you looking at the actual wording that was written down by those

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individuals who are doing these exact know doing these measurements Etc um you

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talk about the the DNA for example why is it that that is not a you're you're

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not in the conventional thought you're on the you know what would I mean what would you describe yourself as if you

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were on the other side of the fence so let me give an example right I like dialogues right because it makes

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people helps people understand so I'm a conventional virologist right my salary is

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$250,000 a year I have a wife who has a Mercedes and I have two kids in private

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school right that's not an unusual situation and I'm a fairly good

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well-known virology researcher okay got me y gotcha okay I

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heard this Schmo Cowen you know he's kind of an but anyways I I I heard a give a talk and he broke down

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the history of virology proving that that the way that

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we find viruses is fraudulent so I'm a biology researcher

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so I decided I think this guy's an idiot but I'm going to look into it and I did the experiment with the appropriate

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controls that Cowan said right and I found out he was right that what we say

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which is the breakdown of cells in culture proves there's a virus if you actually do the proper controls you find

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out it's the conditions of the experiment and there is no virus present

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so that's pretty interesting so I went to my head of my company in the

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department at the University and I Said Fred look I proved without a Shadow of

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Doubt which by the way we did we we did this experiment proved without a shadow

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of a doubt that the way they say they found viruses is anti-scientific fraud

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so I go to the guy I say yo joe look at this experiment I proved that there's no

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such thing as virus they can't possibly exist because the way we say that is you know you can

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demonstrate with proper controls in science it's not true take a look at this Joe looks at it he says yep Fred

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two things a you're right B you're fired so Fred goes home he says I wife I

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got some good news here uh I I I told told Fred I told Joe you know that you

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know Joe he's the head of the department about my experiments and and showing that there's no viruses and you know

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it's the virology company and and and department and he was really interested

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and so what happened uh well he fired me uh so what are you gonna do now I think

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I'm gonna grow carrots you don't even know how to you don't even know how to plant a seed like you've never grown a

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carrot so what are you gonna do how am I GNA what are we going to do with the children yeah I don't know but but look

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look wife we gota you know Integrity is everything I I'm here you know I don't

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know what do you that's not gonna work that is not GNA work now I'm not

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saying every so what we he what we hear

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is okay we contact biologists we contact geneticist we we actually say here are

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the experiments that would validate your your claims let's live with the results

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number one do you have any suggestions about how to improve the the experiments

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no these are perfectly right do you have any any reference that these experiments

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have been done no will you do them no

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why not not doing it I mean you why I mean it's a

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spell a and it's it's that scenario I said these guys are you know doctors

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$300,000 in debt if they do that you know if they don't work in a place and do the thing

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you know that they're supposed to do they got no job they've got no training for anything else they kicked out of the

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tribe this is an existential crisis you you are thrown to the Wolves

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kicked out of the tribe your whole world view has shattered and you are a mess it

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would be a lot easier to just live a lie and carry on wouldn't it it's a lot easier now some of us I mean I just

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didn't care I don't know why you know that's complicated uh but I I mean for me I you

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know what I I I get it I understand why a lot of a lot of

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doctors live the lie and continue to just do things as normal don't rock the

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boat and get on with things like life is hard enough anyway but um I I always

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think about um what's somebody's bias and for like for example Le I I

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grew up watching Manchester United when I was 6 years old I went to my first game when I was six and regardless of

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how bad they are because they're really bad at the moment I will always I will always argue not argue but I will always

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convince myself that they're the best and they could be the best and I'm just just because I'm part of the team and it

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is it is dogmatically literally within my DNA to fight for that team regardless

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of my you know if I could actually put my emotions aside and be with my intellect I'd be like no like my team is

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awful they're not playing well because of this this and this and you know I can see the problems within that whole team

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the whole structure of the organization and it really should literally be ripped down from the ground up but I guarantee

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you by the way that it's not in your DNA oh no no no for sure it's not definitely not you said

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that I kind of said that as a little pun to what we were talking about earlier but um it's um no I to and I totally

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understand that you know if you were to you know you for example if your parents were doctors your grandparents were doctors and you you wanted to be a

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doctor but you know you maybe you didn't want to be but you kind of thrown into that and you spent what seven plus years

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learning very specific ways and of doing things and you get chucked into a yeah a

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dogmatic organization and you come out the other end of it with huge debt with a very

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specific skill set to use going forward for the you know for the next 60 years of your life you would have to be you

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know you you're you you've pledged you've pledged an oath to that organization and it's

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um you're most people are bound to that and it's a very unique set of circumstances that would allow somebody

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to throw all of that away and actually survive like literally survive with food on the table yeah a bed to sleep in very

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unique circumstance would that actually be available to somebody so I totally understand why very very smart

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individuals can like don't don't ask more questions and will not like

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question for example vaccines or question we have a huge chronic disease

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issue perhaps pharmaceutical upon pharmaceutical upon pharmaceutical might not be the best approach to something

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that has a root a root CA somewhere else that might be better dealt with

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nutrition movement supplementation culation therapies things like these like I totally understand why these poor

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individuals are yeah are like sucking at the tee of this organization that just

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just just feeds more and more individuals like this into this very narrow reductionist way of

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thinking and it chooses the PE you know um as one of my heroes V illich said

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what happens if you do well in school is you get the dubious privilege of being

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able to consume more school until you've consumed so much school that the only

36:41

people you can actually talk to are people who've consumed a similar amount

36:47

of school that's right interesting very there you go and so that's your world

36:54

and if you want to get out of the world you got to have a plan and most people they just never

37:01

even consider it yeah that's wild it's really wild I

37:06

mean there obviously there's so much to unpack there I mean I think asking the question about like where where are

37:12

things gone wrong within medicine and health and our attitudes and approach towards

37:18

healing like where is it really gone wrong and is there is there a way back I

37:24

mean what do you think about that where we went wrong yeah is there a I don't I don't

37:31

want to I don't want to force you into a short answer but there it's it's a it's a it's a 10hour conversation isn't it

37:37

really but it's like is there any specific things that you can really hit head we uh all of the traditional

37:45

medical schemes so we're talking Chinese medicine aric medicine even ancient

37:52

Egyptian medicine and that all had the conception of you know living things as

38:02

being various forms of electromagnetic energy you know higher frequencies lower

38:10

frequencies and somehow in a way that I don't understand I don't think anybody

38:15

does lower frequencies become what we call physical

38:20

matter I don't know how that works but that seems to be the uh the case around

38:26

the 1860s when a lot of things changed and we can we don't need to get

38:33

into all the things that changed then the whole history changed the whole

38:38

everything changed they came out with a materialistic reductionist view of

38:45

stuff so Rudolph Vera says uh life are

38:51

all life are made of cells he said that because he saw cells

38:57

in a on an onion under a microscope so therefore all living

39:02

things are made of cells and he was roundly criticized he had no evidence

39:07

for this but it became fact uh then came pastor and The Germ Theory and then

39:14

eventually DNA and all the chemicals and so now we have a theory that we are and

39:23

then came importantly this is a huge deal the theory of the

39:28

atom so we're this stuff this materialistic stuff like chemicals and

39:35

hormones and tissue is made of atoms random atoms bouncing around and the

39:42

atom is made of protons and nucle and neutrons in a nucleus and electrons

39:49

spinning around them now interestingly one of the foremost authorities on the

39:56

nuclear atom theory is a guy named Irwin Schrodinger I don't know if you ever

40:01

heard of him Schrodinger's cat he's about yeah yeah he's this F he's like

40:07

Albert Einstein so just as a quote it's not a quote because I don't remember

40:12

exact but he said yeah you know if you looked at an atom you would never see an

40:18

electron there's no such thing as an electron and it has now been disproven

40:25

that there's electron going around in orbit so the whole theory of

40:31

particles has been disproven there are no particles

40:38

now because they're wetted to this a materialistic particle reductionist way

40:46

of thinking you are forced to say that everything after that is made of these

40:53

collection of particles that you have to say that and

40:58

so they did and so the way the nerves work is that the chemicals are bouncy

41:03

even though chemical reactions are way too slow for the experience of your

41:10

nerves that's interesting to think about yeah right if you think you know a

41:16

conduction goes then the the the chemicals swim across the synapse and go

41:21

to the next one and the whole thing takes about five seconds right so so in

41:27

other words if you say move your finger,

41:32

1,2,3,4 boom like that's not how it works but we have this Theory so they

41:40

have to say how it works now what then happened is I would say quote nefarious

41:47

interests mainly The Rockefellers and Rothchilds and people like that realized

41:54

that this model of of reality and biology in medicine was a useful tool to

42:04

essentially enslave the masses and that's a big realization to

42:09

have for like one person or one organization to have right that's a pretty insane well it's an insane

42:16

concept to just like just to pull out of the air and realize do you not think so which

42:24

the idea that using the uh um understanding that we had at the time we still have of of our universe being made

42:31

of matter and our senses that we the things the things that we sense in our in our world that's that's our reality

42:38

and that's it and using that as as an advantageous way to in enslave

42:43

people yeah but it's very it's very consistent because if these diseases

42:49

which by the way you can't Define like you can't Define what measles is okay

42:55

you say it's a rash and a fever and an ear infection which all happen in other

43:01

things but the definition is copx spots those are white spots inside the cheek

43:07

so I looked it up when I was in medical school 40% of the PE children diagnosed

43:12

with measles don't have copx spots so what is that that's non-opc

43:20

spots measles but wait a minute you just told me that the definition of meas

43:27

is you had to have clex spots yeah but some of the people don't have clex spot

43:32

so how do you know it's measles well because because it is and I thought this is it's like

43:41

rheumatoid arthritis you got you got to have positive rheumatoid Factor 30% of

43:46

the people have the exact same symptoms but don't have the antibod rheumatoid

43:52

fact so what is that that's rheumatoid negative rheumatoid

43:59

arthritis so lazy here's the thing Simon I got these animals in my yard and and

44:05

some of them have feathers and go like that and some of them have fur and a tail and go meow right and those first

44:13

ones are chickens and the second ones are non feathered

44:19

chickens here here's the thing if people talk like that in

44:24

normal way you would he

44:30

IDI but if if a scientist does it your doctor says oh you have non rheumatoid

44:38

Factor rheumatoid arthritis oh my God like what happens it's not good I'll

44:46

tell you that so they realized that with these categories they could they could

44:53

treat everybody oh you could have a viral in show me the virus I can well

45:00

how do you know it's a viral because because you're sick so then you can inoculate everybody

45:09

whether they're sick or not and that you make billions of dollars it used to be

45:15

you know if you ask your grandparents how often did you go to the doctor I you

45:20

know once every 20 years because you know they lived 20 miles away and right

45:25

you don't want to go and anyways they were you know what the word doctor means teacher no what what do you do if you

45:33

Doctor a document if you Doctor a document I don't know yeah you do you change the

45:40

document okay what about if you Doctor somebody's food you change their food and and a not

45:49

such a good way right right yeah like if I said here I doctored your food here

45:55

here's your food you wouldn't e it right probably not what does the word cure

46:02

mean to alter to fix no if you cure meat what do you do oh okay you you're aging

46:10

it preserve it preserving right you agree I agree yeah okay you go

46:17

to somebody and he says hi I'm a doctor and I'm going to cure your cancer he just said I have nefar ious

46:26

interests and I'm going to make sure you always have we're going to preserve your cancer so you always have it which is

46:33

exactly what happens wow they realized that you know this this manipulating of

46:41

the language it's powerful if you control the language we've seen that very

46:47

heavily in the last few years if you control the language you can control definitions and even change them in the

46:52

moment you can it can have a significant impact yeah and you CH you change how people

46:59

think so they're going to doctor you to make sure you're

47:06

cured and that's exactly what they do now that people realized this is an

47:13

amazing model to make money right and to control people because they're scared

47:21

out of their mind and they they do whatever you say and that's what we saw the last four

47:28

years and you at the top of the show we're talking about Authority and and

47:33

and a and a you know a child and and a father as an authority figure do we have a um disregulated relationship with our

47:42

authority figures as as adults as as most people walking around do you think that's a huge part of the

47:48

problem yes we have people who by their chronological age are adults but by

47:55

their emotional intellectual psychological age are twoy

48:01

olds right that's a back all they want is to is to be absolved of their

48:09

sins which is why what you see this in practice guy goes in you know and he

48:18

smokes and drinks and never been outside and he's on the computer all day and eats crappy food and and then he gets

48:25

this and he gets these shots which we now know you know cause you to get cancer and then he gets a tumor right

48:33

something grows because basically because the tumor is is the therapy for

48:39

storing the garbage like if I threw a whole bunch of garbage in your house you

48:45

would put it in bags in the garage you wouldn't say the bags of

48:50

garbage that's the solution to having your house garbagedisposal right so you

48:57

go in and and this person knows that all they did right they know that there's so

49:04

they go and they say oh what's the problem so oh I find out you have a tumor so what do you think caus this

49:12

it's genetic you have nothing to do with it you didn't do anything wrong here you're

49:20

absolved of your sins and as long as you do what I say

49:27

you you you will be good you just made a deal with the Devil the devil says I

49:34

will give you relief from this thinking that you know you know that all this

49:40

that you did you know the shots and the you know the the smok and dope all

49:46

the you know that wasn't so good for you you know but and that probably led to

49:52

this but he just told you no none of that you don't have any responsibility

49:59

for any of this stuff that happens you're we are the priesthood we absolve you of your sins go my son don't sin

50:08

again what sinning means is stopping your chemo uhuh yeah as long as you

50:14

don't do that you're good that is a hell of a business model that's the G that's the genius part of the plan I guess

50:20

because yeah like taking that responsibility for yourself yeah a lot of people don't want to do that they

50:26

don't know how to do that and they probably weren't raised in a particular way where they were they had

50:32

responsibilities from a young age and actually how good it feels to to do that and I don't know if they do if they

50:38

teach a whole lot of responsibility in school these days but yeah that's an actual that's a very very genius part of

50:44

the of the whole scheme yeah soon as you take responsibility so you know I mean I

50:50

was trained as a doctor I know you know there's three reasons people get sick

50:56

uh they you have an infection which doesn't exist you got genes which don't

51:03

don't do what they say or bad luck that's it you ever hear a doctor

51:09

say any other reason why you got sick no I guess not I suppose accidents

51:16

just fall under bad luck yeah you get you you get fell off a horse yeah that's

51:22

it the other one interestingly they say yeah dumbass you smoked all the

51:29

time they had this thing about smoking like you could do anything else

51:36

you know but smoking that's a bad one right then

51:41

you're a dumbass and you deserve it everything else it's not your fault

51:47

you're absolved and people experience that as a huge

51:52

relief oh I have a diagnosis and it's not my fault it's just genetic

51:59

oh it totally um helps people validate their actions in the past which they know in the they knew in the moment and

52:06

they knew in the long term would not not be beneficial for them but actually yeah wiping that slate clean of somebody with

52:12

with that white coat on in that office is uh yeah it's like no different than going to the priest and having your sins

52:18

W washed away I guess yeah that's why very powerful very oh super powerful

52:24

yeah absolutely it changes people's um thought patterns energy Etc and and and

52:30

that will uh vibrate into so many different parts of their own life if if they're not not helping it works it

52:37

actually they feel better yeah oh no absolutely yeah I've know for a while for a while and then the devil catches

52:45

do that's it that's right I want to there's so many areas we could come on I've got to get you back on the show to

52:51

talk more about um viruses and also the the the heart that we were discussing

52:57

before that's a very I'm just very interested in that in general but um I'd love to talk about um new

53:04

biology um can you tell us a little bit about more what that is your website the new biology.com the future of healing is

53:11

here um I'd love can you tell us a little bit more about that please so bottom line you know like I said you

53:18

know I was a general doctor 37 years and all that and so I I'm familiar with the

53:25

wrap but here's the deal when you go to a doctor you or anybody they treat you

53:32

based on theories in other words you gotta you got snot coming out of your nose the

53:39

theory is a virus so they give you an antiviral or a vaccine you have sore

53:45

joints it's the theory is it's an autoimmune disease and it's caused by

53:50

antibodies even though that's been disproven the theory is you have blocked arteries that's why you have a heart

53:56

attack even though that's not true on and on and on they treat you with

54:02

theories and interestingly I would say disproven

54:07

theories now if you think you're going to get better uh being treated by

54:14

disproven theories then you're not for us okay but

54:21

but who is for us so let me give you comes in my my foot hurts when did it

54:29

start uh two months ago what happened well every morning my wife took this

54:34

hammer and and hit me in the foot where right right there and it's that part there is that the part that swollen yeah

54:42

that's every morning she did that I don't know why she was pissed about something and so now two months later

54:48

what do you think happened doc well I think it's because your wife hit you with the foot with the hammer and that's

54:55

why your foot hurts so I have an idea why do you get your wife to not hit you with the hammer for three weeks come

55:02

back and tell me how your foot is now that's a stupid example but

55:08

there's no Theory right yeah those are the observed

55:14

facts of your story now it turns out if you question

55:19

people properly they know what happened to them it's a amazing I you know I was

55:26

I did this for 20 years what's your hammer and when you put people in a

55:33

situation where no matter what they you they say you're going to essentially

55:39

validate or have empathe you know empathic listening it somehow unlocks

55:45

what Carl Rogers called the right brain which knows what happened to you and

55:52

then you find the story and then you interface with that that causal agent

55:59

and it could be you know true story 12-year-old guy he was totally fine and

56:05

I make him prove to me that he was totally fine before he was 12 played on

56:10

the soccer team helped his dad in the Machine Shop you know walked went on

56:16

Hikes Etc and I say it back to him what happened then I went and got a flu shot

56:22

what happened then a week later I paralyzed from the waist down they said it was Guan Beret syndrome six years

56:30

later I can still walk a little bit but not very much and I've never recovered

56:35

and I wonder if you could do then I go through the story and he says I went to

56:41

six neurologists and a not one of them really asked me what happened and then

56:48

occasionally I said do you think it was the flua they said

56:53

no even though I showed him the package insert side effect of flu shot Gan Beret

57:01

paralysis of your lower extremities so that was his story and then he says to

57:08

me Tom do you know how to get over the repercussions of a flu shot and I said

57:16

yeah you should try this and call me in a month and see if it gets better and

57:21

sure enough it did and then he could walk fine and again there was no Theory

57:26

here and I'm not treating Deon Beret right because that doesn't actually

57:31

exist I'm treating a story which is he was poisoned by a flu shot and there's

57:38

very specific poisons in there which can be eliminated if you do it right now

57:45

that may be a different story with the next person who's paralyzed and so or

57:51

weak in his legs and and that that's this that's the new biology strategy

57:58

it's based on the reality of what's happening and and the the understanding

58:04

that the patient the person actually knows what happened to

58:09

them and we're not putting spells on people we're just exp you know hearing

58:16

the story and then we have a repertoire of things to do depending on what the

58:22

story is that's what I think is the future of

58:27

healing well that's wonderful yeah the website's great as well we're going to touch on also I'd love to learn about the your online learning center that you

58:34

have there as well but just um just to bounce off what you were talking about there for me yeah when you explain that

58:41

like all these all these dis diseases these diseases these pathologies that are just

58:46

theories it makes sense to me that they are just theories and a lot of them nonsensical because we don't have a

58:54

whole lot of healthy people walking around we have a significant amount of chronically

58:59

sick individuals rather than you would expect with all these all this the

59:05

science that's done and all the research that's done and all the absolute scientific fact that we have and the

59:11

solutions and cures that go along with it that we would have a significantly healthier

59:17

population we don't but we don't no everyone's sick and tired and it's uh

59:23

yeah getting worse and worse especially lived in I lived in the UK for 21 years I lived in Sweden for 10 years and I

59:29

know living in North America for going on eight now and um North Americans are

59:36

just like it's just like everyone is everyone is sick it's wild yeah it's wild and no's question no one's no one's

59:43

questioning it either like it's just like it's because it's happened so gradually sorry to interrupt you there but it's happened so gradually that it

59:50

just seems to be this just like normal thing and it's like oh hi I'm Simon I

59:55

have got this this and this this is my normal pathologies that I have this is my this is just me yeah and everyone's

1:00:02

just got that and like their disease or their symptoms is just a huge it's just

1:00:08

another part of their personality just like having brown hair or a beard yeah I mean I think of that you know with my

1:00:15

four cats who you know basically live mostly outside and they only eat what

1:00:20

they catch and they eat raw meat and you know in the in the accumulated eight years so we've had

1:00:27

them nothing you know none of them have ever

1:00:32

had any well I think pumpkins threw up once I think he ate a mouse had by just

1:00:39

swallowed it or something and and that's normal right that's a normal uh living species how

1:00:48

they live that's what we should be uh because and they're outside in the sun

1:00:54

grounded to the Earth eating the food that's appropriate to them doing a lot

1:01:01

of movement and climbing trees and chasing mice and rabbits and and as long

1:01:08

as Nobody messes with them right that should go on for their na natural life

1:01:15

that's the way it's supposed to be yeah I guess they're being that're they're just following their own instinctual

1:01:23

Universal nature yeah rather rather than the you know kind of like crappy cat

1:01:30

food and dairy milk that that I know I don't I don't know what cats consume these days I had cats when I was young

1:01:36

but I'm sure they just had uh cat food from the store and just drank milk right

1:01:41

assume you have that I'm sure if you put two of your cats on that diet and two of them you kept normal you would you your

1:01:47

vet bills would start going up yeah I mean we feed them ground up rabbits yeah

1:01:53

that sounds delicious I think you know and so nobody no no doctor these days

1:01:58

asks so you know we don't eat groundup rabbits but what is the human diet what

1:02:05

is the human activity what is the human way of seeing the world you know uh are

1:02:11

you doing that well no you know I never actually do anything but sit in front of a computer and I eat Doritos from a can

1:02:19

you know and drink cocacola and and I get these shots all

1:02:24

the time and immunosuppressive Drugs That's how I live that's the experiment that's that's

1:02:32

so off so off nature it's wild and people know people know it as well yeah but obviously a lot of these Foods play

1:02:38

with neurochemistry and very specific ways that make it very difficult for people

1:02:44

to to to get off to get off it I guess yeah yeah anyway that's the story that's

1:02:50

the story um Tom can you tell us about your online learning Center what can people gather from that what can people

1:02:57

get from your website you know if they were looking to learn more about about what you're putting out there yeah so I

1:03:03

mean I was convinced you know it's Tom you keep talking about this why why don't you have a like a course so we've

1:03:11

organized you know into modules so groups of anywhere between 10 and 20

1:03:17

people a lot of them are practitioners of various sorts and they want a

1:03:23

different way right they want something new uh and so we organize it into how do

1:03:29

you talk to a patient and the whole germ Theory and then there's lectures on it

1:03:36

uh that are on that we've done either I've done or some other people and articles and books and then they read

1:03:43

that and we get together and have a group conversation every two or three weeks and they ask whatever they ask and

1:03:51

then we do heart dis heart you know what is the heart doing what you know if it's not a pump how does the blood move uh

1:03:59

what what about the plaque in the arteries what does that doing and all that stuff very the end of that

1:04:07

they hopefully know more about reality than when they started do you have to be

1:04:13

a practitioner to jump onto that not not really we started like that but so many

1:04:18

people wanted to do it who weren't that we opened it up yeah that's really cool

1:04:24

can think of an organization now that I'm a part of that I think that could really benefit from something like this

1:04:29

because I think yeah if you know i' I'd like to get you back on the show to talk more even to specifically about the

1:04:35

heart because if that function that we've learned about that we've been told is correct and where you know some

1:04:40

people are maybe exercising or eating to strengthen their heart specifically to

1:04:46

do this function that we believe that it does then it makes sense to me that you know if it if the actual factual

1:04:52

function of it is different we should probably be doing different things to actually get the most benefit from from

1:04:57

it yeah which is super fascinating but um people can connect with you at the

1:05:02

new biology.com do you have any other channels or um the best one is Dr Tom

1:05:08

Cowen Dr T M c.com okay and then all the curriculum

1:05:13

and the new biology clinic and everything else kind of comes from there

1:05:19

yeah the website's super clean it looks really nice the curriculum up there it looks great if people want to check that

1:05:24

out and dive in a little bit deeper that would be wonderful um just to finish off with a question

1:05:30

that we kind of touched on at the beginning of the show um just want to offer some potential like Solutions

1:05:36

whether that's something actually practical or something people can start just thinking about I think you've given

1:05:41

us a lot to think about already but how do you think one begins a journey towards the unconventional because

1:05:48

that's that's you know that's that's black sheep stuff that's going against the grain that's really difficult for a

1:05:53

lot of people people to do I think more and more people are wanting to slip into that environment now more than ever I'd

1:06:00

like to think so anyway um so how do you think people can begin to actually start

1:06:06

that pathway towards being unconventional I tell you this may sound

1:06:12

like a funny answer but the most important switch is when you go from uh

1:06:20

trying to weigh different possibilities to the essence of science

1:06:26

which is investigating claims so what happens what I mean by

1:06:31

that is somebody says uh okay chickenpox caused by a virus and you you say uh okay let's

1:06:42

investigate that claim now within seconds the person will

1:06:48

say well if it's not chicken if it's not caused by a virus what is the cause

1:06:55

that is an inappropriate question okay it will lead you

1:07:01

nowhere uh the essence of science is falsifying

1:07:07

claims because once you uh falsify that there is no evidence that chickenpox is

1:07:14

a contagious there's been study after study showing that I have them you know

1:07:20

on my website or that a virus has been found as the causitive agent or even

1:07:26

found anywhere then you're left in a in a

1:07:32

uncertain state right you don't know what the cause of this phenomena

1:07:39

is you see something you know it's not what you thought it was because that's

1:07:47

proven and you have to get now you're in a state which I call the State of Wonder

1:07:55

in other words you you for a moment sayi wonder what What's Happening Here

1:08:02

something is happening and I what what I thought it was is not true I wonder what

1:08:08

is true now then you will you will confront this

1:08:14

demon in you that says Simon get out of that state of not knowing you got to

1:08:21

decide what it is and you don't know so you say okay it

1:08:28

must be a virus or it must be electromagnetic

1:08:34

fields which you don't even have proof of that either so I wouldn't even go there you just don't know yeah now if

1:08:42

you can stay there and fight off the demons now I have a theory for

1:08:49

you the the world will help you out

1:08:55

somehow you will have an Intuition or somebody will say something to you which

1:09:01

will allow you to see the next step but if you don't allow yourself to

1:09:08

stay in that open What I Call State of Wonder you'll never see the next step

1:09:15

because you're I I've decided it's the virus it's the field it's the whatever

1:09:22

yeah and every time in my life that I've committed to doing that I'm just going

1:09:29

to live with the I don't know I know it's not this I know the heart isn't a

1:09:34

pump I don't know why the blood moves next day somebody sends me an article

1:09:39

saying this is a way of thinking about what makes the blood move and there you

1:09:46

go if you don't stay in that state that is the state that will change your life

1:09:52

in a way you will you will never turn

1:09:58

back but it's not easy CU you you the demons come yeah you're going against

1:10:04

Decades of solidified thought I guess and belief

1:10:10

and I I I looked up the kind of definition we have of conventional right now before the show I looked it up and

1:10:17

it's based on or in accordance with what is generally done or believed so yeah I

1:10:24

think that's a perfect note to finish on um I really appreciate your your time today Tom I'd love to get you back on

1:10:29

the show to talk about some more specific things around viruses and the hearts I think that's very very

1:10:34

fascinating stuff that a lot of people are going to be very interested to learn more about and um I will make sure that

1:10:41

the um that the new biology website your course the curriculum is available for people in

1:10:48

the show note so they can learn more about you and your work and your books but um I really appreciate your time

1:10:53

today thank you thank you so much okay thanks Simon it's been fun awesome appreciate it well that is it for this

1:10:59

episode of True Hope cast the official podcast with true hope Canada again you can catch all of the um all the links

1:11:05

and the necessary things to connect with um with Tom in the show notes but that is it we'll see you

1:11:14

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1:11:21

soon