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good day and welcome to a special episode of True hope because the official podcast of true hope Canada there has been a lot of confusion

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surrounding Bill c-47 and health Canada's new legislative powers within the Natural Health industry so today VP

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of true hope Canada Mr David Stefan and lawyer Sean Buckley are going to be setting the record straight when it

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comes to Bill c-47 enjoy the show

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let's do it every day take some sort of Natural Health product in fact close to three quarters of us take vitamins but

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some fear their access to supplements and minerals could be restricted if the Harper government passes bill c-51 as

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globals our Sweeney explains many wonder if government regulation is really the right remedy

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who take their vitamins minerals and health food supplements and take them seriously are now taking on the federal

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government telling the government to keep its hands off their health

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[Applause] we want Natural Health Care hundreds

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rallied and marched in Toronto in Edmonton and Vancouver to fight Federal legislation called bill c-51 that would

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put new regulations on health supplements an example of things like vitamin C things like cod liver oil

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things that are that are readily available in stores at the moment will become unavailable and available by

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prescription only they say the government's bill is not clear but fear that it would mean Canadians have to go

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to a doctor to get a prescription for vitamins and buy them at a drugstore you

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know digestive enzymes um sort of like parasite and yeast like

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liver detox Angela chitale is a naturopathic doctor who probably wouldn't be able to write those

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prescriptions she says the bill would restrict Health supplements for a lot of people who rely on them for preventative

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measures for treatment measures they all often fill in the gaps where you know a pharmaceutical may not be helping and

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opponents of the legislation suspect there's another agenda going on they say it could give drug companies control of

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a booming vitamin and supplement Market worth around two billion dollars a year

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federal health Minister Tony Clement says his legislation is just trying to protect Canadians he says it will weed

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out what he calls the bad guys in the industry and says other Natural Health products are going to thrive

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but the people who rely on that industry say natural remedies have been working for hundreds and even thousands of years

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and don't need the government control Al Sweeney Global News Toronto

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over 15 years ago Canadians spoke out

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Canadians established what they found acceptable and what wasn't acceptable in

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relation to Freedom of Choice when it came to your access to Natural Health

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Products the message was clear in just about every major city across

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Canada there were protests to say we don't want your bill we don't

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want these Draconian measures applied to the Natural Health industry on products that are safe and effective

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and in many instances life-saving today

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a very similar bill has passed slipped under the radar if you will back

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in June of this year many didn't even hear about it until now

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bill c-47 and today the Natural Health industry

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is in tremendous risk of losing even more products and when I say even more

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there's already been substantial loss of products here in Canada over the past 15 years

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in a small degree incrementally in ways that the general public wouldn't be aware of it unless you yourself lost

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access to a product that you were personally taking but we have lost thousands of products

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over the years today we're going to be talking about Bill c-47

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welcome to truecast episode 132 Bill c-47 setting the record straight

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the reason for this podcast today is to establish that there's a lot of

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ambiguity around what this bill means in Canada a lot of people are confused as to what

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Bill c-47 implies to the Natural Health industry but as well as the whole self-care framework that Health Canada

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is bringing to the table that they're moving forward with because it's not

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just about Draconian measures on the Natural Health industry it's also about cost recovery raising the cost of

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products making it financially unavailable to many Canadians that are struggling during an economic downturn

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it's also talking about labeling requirements and basically making

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manufacturers like ourselves true hope I've been with the company now for over 20 years and we've been involved in

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these different battles and we've seen where it goes and we're talking about changes that may have to be made to our

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labels that are not just simple these are things that cost a lot of money and when profit margins are down and the

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economy is down companies are doing what they can to ensure that the products are still

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financially feasible for those who rely on them So today we're going to be addressing

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some of the misconceptions some of the confusion surrounding bill c-47

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I'm gonna play a video in just a moment here that is going to show some of that confusion and this is not to highlight

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anybody um in a negative way this is just to show what's going on out in the marketplace right now out in in the

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Canadian populace as to the mixed messages about what bill c-47 means for

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you so I'm going to share the video and then we're going to bring Sean Buckley on again he's been on a number

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of our podcasts before a few missiles before he's a constitutional lawyer he has been involved in the Natural Health

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industry in a sense in representing different Natural Health companies uh for and against Health Canada going all

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the way back to I believe 1994 and he is a brilliant mind when it comes to what

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is going on what this means for Canadians and what you can do about it so we'll bring him on after this video

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to discuss what is actually going on what the risk

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is to yourself in relation to access to Natural Health Products and ultimately what you can do about it

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so without further Ado we're going to watch a short video here where you're going to see a lot of mixed messaging

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some people for the bill some people against the bill but it identifies that there's a lot of confusion on all sides

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whether four against the bill there's a lot of confusion about what this means herbal supplements vitamins minerals

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here in Canada they're still all available but the bill you may be referring to is this Builder trying to

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pass which you could possibly help to uh to stop if you go to save our

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supplements.ca and that would be your voice uh to the to the government that

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would help to kind of hopefully stop this bill they're trying to pass but this bill would make manufacturers of

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supplements pay an extraordinary amount for each product they have or products

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that they do want to bring to Market it would cost consumers a lot of money you would see a lot of smaller companies

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kind of Disappearing because they may not be able to produce the supplements they have or supplements they want to

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bring to Market so go to save our supplements.ca fill out the information does not take long and that could

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possibly help to stop um this problem we're having in the Natural Health industry here in Canada

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but it hasn't passed yet so right now you can still buy herbal supplements vitamins minerals no problem here in

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Canada hey everyone so I've been getting so many questions on what the new health

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Canada regulations in terms of supplements mean for us Canadians and what we are going to be able to access

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come 2025. obviously those of us who are into holistic health holistic medicine

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we like the freedom to access supplements to have access to a wide

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array and variety of supplements as well the new health Canada regulations are really going to put a wrench into this

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so first thing I will say is the bill already passed so the new regulations come into effect in 2025 so that gives

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us just over a year gives companies just over a year to really figure out what they're going to be doing so what does

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this mean well essentially the regulations that they have implemented

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for companies is just a lot more red tape they have to jump through a lot more hoops and have to do a lot more

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work in terms of relabeling products to comply with the new health Canada

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regulations so this is not going to be feasible for a lot of supplement companies especially small companies

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what we are going to be seeing are a few things first of all if a company can go ahead and Implement these changes

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they're not going to be doing it across the board with their whole product line so their skus are going to be reduced

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we're going to have access to less products because it's not feasible for them to make the changes across the

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board so we'll either see less supplements or we're going to see a lot of companies just remove themselves from the Canadian

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Market altogether especially again the smaller companies where they really just don't have the funds to go and

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re-package re-label and do all of that another thing that we're going to see is

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companies not wanting to break into the Canadian space so if there are some new Innovative products and supplements and

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homeopathics and things like that they're probably just not going to bring it into the Canadian Market because there is so much more red tape and so

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again so many more Hoops they need to jump through so they're going to go just to a U.S market or somewhere else so

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it's going to limit our access to supplements we're going to have a hard time finding some supplements at all and

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a lot of companies are just going to be unfortunately either going under or just you know removing themselves from this

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market so we are going to be feeling it we're not going to have access to supplements and remedies that we want which is really frustrating

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I just need to highlight that this is an email that was sent out by cardish that Health Canada is proposing changes to

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the regulations for Natural Health Products that will dramatically increase the cost availability and innovation of

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Health Products in Canada now is your time to start sending letters to your MP

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speaking out and doing what you got to do to make sure that they're not going to heavily regulate it so that you can

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no longer get some of your best supplements and products that you actually need it's either going to become too expensive to afford it or

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minimal availability if any at all this is not good news so we really need to

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rise up and fight against this before they try to make it a thing hi I'm a medical doctor and I also use the

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occasional natural supplement what is happening to supplements here in Canada is that they are being brought under

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what's called Vanessa's law now Vanessa's law is a health Canada regulation that basically states that if

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something bad happens or there is an adverse effect when somebody is taking a supplement there needs to be mandatory

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reporting from say the hospital where that adverse effect was found lots of things are already under Vanessa's law

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in particular things like pharmaceutical medical devices and over-the-counter

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drugs essentially natural supplements are going to be held to the same standard as a pharmaceutical drug now if

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an adverse effect is found that might lead to say relabeling of natural supplements they might be held to a

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higher standard than they currently are and the supplement industry is frightened because that is going to

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reduce their bottom line there are many many supplements that have adverse effects that people grossly

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underestimate and you should think to yourself why is the supplement industry

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so against there being more information on the package don't you want more not less this woman

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has pushed my buttons one too far I've gone ahead and blocked her to keep her

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the hell out of comment section on my other video I purposely did not tag her in that

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video because I didn't want to throw any shade onto her

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she is spreading misinformation about what changes are coming through to the supplement industry

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as you can see here laid out by Health Canada all that they are doing is they're

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bringing the prices so the the pathway to licensing

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there's going to be a little higher barrier to get into the supplement industry

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and it's not out of line to other countries

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in addition to that supplements vitamins minerals they are

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not going away she is fear-mongering and spreading all

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sorts of misinformation the government is not coming for your

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supplements people who spread information like this

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probably sell them she is a naturopath

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case in point these changes

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to the supplement industry there's a reason for them and it's

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because more and more people are ending up in hospital there needs to be better oversight this

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is the way that Health Canada has chosen to get that oversight they need to know

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when Adverse Events happen this way it's forcing the hand of

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doctors to ensure that Health Canada finds out when something goes wrong

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and if it's one event it's not going to be a big deal but if Health Canada continues to see

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the same company and the same supplements showing up in the ERS

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time and time again guess what's going to happen Health Canada is not coming for your

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supplements they are there to protect you everybody

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is always complaining that there needs to be government protection

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this is it it's here this is not a bad thing

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welcome Sean hey glad to be here David all right we just got done watching

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close to 10 minutes of video there we got to see what took place over 15 years

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ago when the Canadian populace was alerted

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to what was going on with Bill c-51 we got to see how people responded back

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then today as I mentioned they you know they slept Bill 47 under the radar as within

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the budget bill they they basically you know sandwiched in this other information regarding health Canada and

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what they're able to do and so I wanna you know throughout this

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um this podcast here I think we need to discuss what's going on out out in the

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marketplace right now what are people's response you're doing a lot of uh a discussion out there um you've been

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extremely busy is my understanding um having discussions on a regular basis as to what's taking place with Bill c-47

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what's taking place with the cost recovery measures that helped Canada is putting into play and all of that and

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I'm sure you're getting feedback good and bad as to what's taking place that coincides with with the video that we

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just watched um which we're going to revisit we'll we'll discuss some of the the highlights

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there uh to just make mental note of some of the things that stood out to you that were um grossly incorrect

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um and uh misleading in all of that but um what what what's your take on

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this how do you feel that the Canadian Canadian populace is currently receiving the message that you're putting out

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there in relation to trying to raise um an alert to say look uh things aren't

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so good we need to do something about it well I mean first of all David let's

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acknowledge that actually some of these issues are a little complicated so you know even Bill c-47 like people

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look at sections 500 to 504 and they can't make heads or tails have been in

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and they don't say anything about a five million dollar fine or new penalties or powers for example just to use that as

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an example and I mean even the idea of you know cost recovery like unless you're going to read the fees for drugs

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regulations and spend some time with them you know it's it's not really clear

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and then how can it has been you know deliberately kind of opaque on the

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self-care framework if you'll recall they they traveled from you know City to city in 2017 doing these presentations

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informing us these were non-negotiable changes and they had slides to explain

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the changes but they they don't publish those slides online

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and when we took photos of them so we've included them in our discussion papers but you know they've been very clear

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though that the goal is full harmonization with chemical drugs but it's you know I think we have to give

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some allowance for the fact that this this is a you know the complicated

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issues and then we also you know basically see what we want to see don't we

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so you know if you are against natural products and for a chemical drug

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industry especially if you know you're paid to be a spokesperson which you know there's a lot of them out there and and

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you and I know what I'm talking about so I mean there's actually like a whole Army of people that are paid to you know

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slam Natural Health Products and to you know kind of support initiatives like

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Health Canada is doing but just even ignoring those people I mean if you're for what whatever

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reason and we all have different experiences you're really pro-drug pro-medical doctor you may view these

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this a different way and interpret things a different way and just simply be mistaken

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so I mean first of all we have to we have to give some room for that so I think a it's complicated

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B you can see these things differently and C we also have people that are just

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basically paid shrills to you know like I'm watching some of this and I'm going

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yes pure misinformation and I'm watching other and others and I just see some confusion

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exactly and thank you for clarifying that I mean one we do only see what we

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want to see right or what our Paradigm allows us to are what are world view dictates that we should be seeing in all

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other like you have to understand that you and I have had some experiences that are totally different

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than what most people have seen so I mean I I've told the stroke story several times which was kind of my

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initiation because before I acted as Council for health Canada and then I ended up acting against them

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against on the same herbalist that will not against them directly but you know the province was going after

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him and I came to realize that actually thousands of Canadians and I could

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identify them were only alive because of access to to the Strauss heart drops you

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work for True hope I mean when they were charged grimly and I was defending them I called witness after witness about

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deaths being caused with health Canada restricting access steam power plus for

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a short period of time you know including Ron lashinessa president of the Canadian Mental Health

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Association who held press conferences every time there was a death of a Canadian Health

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um our Mental Health Association member so you and I are aware that actually

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there's a risk to restricting access to these products and those that stand up

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and say well we need stricter regulations and we need you know more protection and you know especially oh

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well there's all these hospitalizations show me show me the hospitalizations I I

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call bovine excrement on that one so

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you know the the reality is is that the chemical drugs are so risky that from a

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public policy perspective we should be doing everything we can to prevent any

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Canadian from taking a chemical drug especially a prescribed one

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so we should be doing everything we can and yet it's we do the opposite we do

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everything we can to funnel them into that model and we privilege that model

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and it's it's literally our entire Health Care System including medical training

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is captured by that model and if there is a pharmaceutical industry is not the

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largest funder of the mainstream media than the largest funder is government which privileges that industry and the

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second largest funder is pharmaceutical companies so what are we even talking about when

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we talk messaging but their messaging will never talk about well is there a danger to reducing access because you

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increase regulations and drive Products off the market or you increase costs then fewer Canadians can access them and

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you and I both are actually in the belief that the regulations we already have which moved us halfway into the

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chemical drug model have caused a number of deaths and a large amount of suffering you can't convince me

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otherwise and you can't convince other people that understand the industry otherwise you know I was on a Twitter

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spaces call I think it was last week and there was a practitioner on the call

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Brad Hawes who was saying you know well he gets he gets consulted by both

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Americans and Canadians and you know so let's let's say he's gone American and a Canadian and he

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they're they're going to get the exact same treatment protocol well the Canadian is paying three to four times

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as much than the American now

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what that does is it means that you know lower income Americans they're not

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locked in a chemical drug model they can access Natural Health Products

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to treat themselves but lower income Canadians don't have that privilege they're priced out of the

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markets and the only difference is is the regulatory structure I mean isn't it

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interesting David because nobody's saying that the United States is having a safety problem yeah well we've classed

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our natural supplements as drugs they've classed them as Foods

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we've deemed them by law it's illegal and you have to get health Canada's

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pre-approval which is extremely costly and onerous to be able to get permission

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to sell products in the United States they don't need any government pre-approval and in fact when Congress

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was forced to look into how should we regulate Natural Health Products they call them dietary supplements

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Congress concluded they were so safe that they created a legal presumption

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that they're safe so I mean they've done the exact opposite as us and so they've got a much

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more vibrant industry you know way more Innovation like we used to be leaders in Innovation and

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we'd come out with product after product that literally saved lives and you know for people that were you know suffering

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terribly you know gave them complete you know remission or a standard of living

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that they couldn't you know cat or couldn't get with the chemical drugs

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and yet you hear we're restricted we've got we've lost that and our prices have just gone through the roofs well

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if if we need stricter regulations then what you're saying is is that the United States is just batshit crazy

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and that the way they're regulating natural supplements is completely Reckless well wait a second we used to

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be exactly like them not long ago for most of our lives

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Natural Health products for all intensive purposes were unregulated you didn't get Canada's pre-approval because

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you couldn't we had chemical drug regulations that you couldn't comply with and no one pretended that they

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applied to Natural Products until they became popular and started threatening pharmaceutical profits but for most of

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your viewers lifetime almost every product they've accessed except recently was unregulated do you were did you feel

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like you were in danger when you walked the health food store I mean you were having to step over where all those bodies to get in when you went to your

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naturopathic doctor it must have been horrible you know with the ambiances taking all the dead bodies out because

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somehow there was a problem with the products when you go to the United States or order from the United States

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do you feel there's a problem well you don't I'm being rhetorical because I have a problem they're not

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having a problem you know if anyone can point to me a single death a credible death caused by

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a natural health product and all of Canadian in all of Canadian history let's say you can come up with 10 which

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you can't let's say you could come up with 20 which is like now we're just getting

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silly let's say you could come up with 30 in all of Canadian history going back to

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1867 caused by let's say there's 70 000 natural products on the market you show me 30 deaths in all of our history and

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they hold in it which you can't it's just that's now fanciful well then the whole industry is is

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dramatically safer than half a year of peanut butter use in Canada well let's talk Apples to Apples here too

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it's a whole lot safer than the 10 000 Canadians that died last year from properly prescribed medications this is

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the point we should be doing everything we can to have people use models like

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Natural Health Products rather than chemical drugs but the other side never looks into the risk of restricting

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access [Music] they avoid that

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and pretend that we have this risk that we just simply don't have

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right as as if we were on par with with the drug model because there is inherent

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risk I mean we know about the different medications In Our Lifetime there's been

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numerous recalls of medications because of an astronomical amount of deaths we

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remember the vioxx you know debacle from just about 20 years ago you know Celebrex same thing had to get removed

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off the market for a time all that type of stuff we the thalidomide issue and here Health Canada is there to protect

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us right it was basically one of the closing statements there on that video Health Canada is there to protect us and

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yet they were one of the last countries to pull thalidomide after it was well established that there was a

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significant risk you know and let's talk about that so thalidomide was being

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prescribed to you know pregnant mothers or that's a double I'm saying the pregnant women so

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so the limb line was being prescribed during pregnancy to alleviate nausea

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and it was causing tremendous birth defects you know where you you born

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without arms and things like that well you know David we've been using ginger

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tea to treat nausea effectively what for a

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thousand years two thousand years three thousand years so you mean we've been using ginger tea to treat nausea

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literally likely for thousands of years I mean I don't know but like a long long time safely so do you mean we need like

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five million a day fines if somebody you know mislabels ginger tea or sells heaven forbid sells ginger tea for

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nausea without getting Health Canada's permission beforehand how can it be that

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when we've used things for thousands of years or centuries that all of a sudden in the very recent past

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all of a sudden we now have to get health Canada permission to use remedies

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that we've been freely using Forever Without a problem and remedies that we want to privilege so that people don't

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think thalidomide if those mothers had been told to take ginger tea they would

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have you know alleviated their nausea and there would have been zero birth defects and everyone knew it like what

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are we doing why are we regulating ginger tea as if it's a dangerous chemical drug why are we regulating

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parsley as if it's a dangerous chemical drug why are we regulating turmeric as

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if it's a chemical like these are things in our food supply we've gone math yes we have indeed it really happens

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what we have is is we have privileging of a pharmaceutical model and The Logical consequence of allowing

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that to continue is full harmonization with natural products with the chemical drugs and if you don't think we're going

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to lose almost all of our natural products at the end of this then I've got some oceanfront property

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in Saskatchewan but not on the cold side of the ocean it's the you know where those really warm currents come in

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that's why we have palm trees there so and give me a call because we're you

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know one of the developers is distressed and the prices are good look

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let's talk about this a little bit deeper in relation to regulations because one

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of the pacifying statements that was made at the end of that video was that it's on par with other countries now

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obviously not the us as you had clearly so they're talking about the European listen this is where we're going the

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European model I challenge anyone to find a health food store in a small European city well look here's here's

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our personal experience Empower plus Discovery Health does a full-length documentary publishes it in September of

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2002. they translate it into multiple languages they put it into 50 different countries all of a sudden we are

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selling internationally into you know in short order to over 105 countries

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we got to see firsthand the Hoops that people desperate people that were

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looking for something to alleviate the debilitating effects of mental illness the the Hoops they had to jump through

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to get it so example Germany right Western Nation civilized right

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oh I want Empower plus there I gotta go to my doctor to get a prescription for something that he knows nothing about

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before it is allowed across the border you're talking vitamins and minerals

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okay you're talking vitamins and minerals that are over the counter you can go to a health food store here

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although it was sure an adventure in babysitting for you guys to get a license and even then you can't tell the

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truth so no I mean the the European model you

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go into the if you're in a big city you can find a health food store there they're few and far between but

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literally the vitamins and minerals and some single ingredient products with labels that if you follow the label

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they'll really be of no effect much like many of our labels already in Canada it's like

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if you buy vitamin D and follow the label like what's the point right what's the point you might as well not

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buy it and take it you need somebody to tell you to take way more for it to be meaningful in any way especially in the

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middle of winter when your reserves are down because we're in the northern hemisphere right so that's where we're

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going yeah that's where we're going so yeah if we want to if we want to reference other

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countries and that it's on par with that as if it's okay we need to see the detrimental effects that it's had on

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those countries on the people of those countries and having access to meaningful products because there are

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some serious hurdles too so you see Canada used to be a common

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law country and we've moved almost all of our regulatory environment in the last 30 years into a civil law model so

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in and under the civil law model basically the government has all the power

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and and then grants you privileges it's not

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a right if the government has to Grant it to you it's a privilege so in a civil law model all products are illegal and

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then there'll be an approved list and you can only access what's on the approved list like

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pretty well all of Europe but England was under that model and then they joined the EU and they got messed up too

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so but under the common law power rests in the people where in the

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default is is we can do whatever we want but our elected representatives you know through agreement will restrict our

33:43

rights so in the in the common law model you you can access any remedy you want

33:51

and you know it's only when there's some reason then we would pass restrictions so you know like our

33:58

chemical Pharmaceuticals because the the risk of that model is so high I mean the

34:05

premise that the chemical drug premise that no you you can't just introduce a novel chemical into you know the human

34:12

population without getting government permission where you'd have to prove safety and efficacy and then that the

34:18

you know risks that way or the benefits outweigh the risk well you know that's a pretty good legal

34:23

starting point for a class of substances that are really dangerous but when we're

34:29

talking about things in our food supply mm-hmm that actually have tremendous

34:34

therapeutic benefits that we've been using forever and a day without a

34:39

problem then all of a sudden that model is absolutely ridiculous but it's a civil

34:46

law model that's now been imposed on us and in area after area after area in

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Canada I mean there's been this kind of Silent unseen legal Revolution where

34:58

we've gone from having the rights vested in the citizens to the rights vested in

35:03

the state and this is just you know another another area but it creates a

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really interesting philosophical problem because David when Empower plus was in its initial

35:15

stages and I mean I I know this is a fact because I called these people as Witnesses

35:21

in court when you know true Hope was facing criminal charges for oh my gosh selling

35:28

with a license well the whole industry didn't have a license like so why out of you know back then there were more

35:34

products on the market like 80 to 90 000 Yem Power Plus was singled out when no one had a license but you were

35:41

and and I interviewed countless number of witnesses and called

35:46

them and these were people that were in and out of the psych ward involuntarily so you know you'd become Manic and

35:52

suicidal and then because you're suicidal you're involuntarily committed they put you on a drug cocktail you're

35:59

so doped up that you're there for months and then when you're released you're still on 24-hour suicide watch but like

36:06

it doesn't really matter because you're drooling over yourself and then when you finally acclimatize to the drugs you're

36:12

Manic and suicidal again and they recommit you and put you on another drug cocktail and

36:18

rinse and repeat and the lifespan of those people are like is less than five years and so those people had no hope with the

36:25

approved chemical drugs their life was a living hell literally

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and when they started taking EOP Hair Plus at the beginning there weren't 35 published Journal Publications all they

36:39

knew was the truth here's why we made it here's the theory

36:44

look at the people that are getting results you're the guinea pigs you're the test subjects it's vitamins and

36:51

minerals what's wrong with people that have no hope

36:57

consenting adults being able to choose to take a vitamin and mineral supplement

37:02

without government permission like help me out here because I'm missing

37:08

something that people think it's okay that desperate people that all the approved chemicals don't work can't

37:14

choose to take nutrition like this is out that we even are having

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this discussion tells us that our system has been so seriously hijacked

37:26

that it's it's abs like think about it we're having a discussion about restricting consenting adults who are

37:33

facing a death sentence and their lives are held like when I was interviewing

37:38

people to call like these clients of true hope for that criminal trial

37:44

I had a set of questions I mean a lawyer before you start interviewing a class of

37:49

witnesses it's like okay here's what's relevant here's what I need I have a list of questions and a hundred percent

37:55

of these people volunteered something I I didn't would have never dawned on me

38:00

to ask but 100 not a single one didn't share this with me that when their

38:06

supply of the Empire plus was being threatened because if it if you Emperor plus worked

38:11

for them they were normal they were back at school they were back working instead of being involuntarily committed in the

38:17

psych wards and then being on 24-hour suicide watch at home they were normal people again and every single one of

38:24

them shared with me that they had a suicide plan that before they got sick while they

38:31

were still rational adults before they ran out they had resolved that they

38:36

would kill themselves rather than go back to the living hell that Health

38:41

Canada placed them in with the chemical pharmaceutical drugs that for them didn't work they may work for others but

38:48

for them it didn't work and anyone who tells me they didn't have the right to try nutrition to see if

38:54

they could solve their problems they know where they think I will tell them to go

39:01

well said very very well said Thank you Sean and very passionate today by the

39:06

way I have to say uh you're on fire you know I'm just getting tired of people telling us that we have no control over

39:13

our own bodies yeah you know I go buy alcohol and and destroy my liver uh and

39:19

become a burden to society and and cost of medical care or the medical system substantial amounts which is ultimately

39:26

I'm not causing medical care or the medical system anything I'm just stealing from taxpayers in essence by by

39:31

being a burden now for for my own Health crisis that I have decided to to make I can go and smoke a bunch of tobacco and

39:38

with all the nicotine and everything and I can I can tear up my lungs and then become a burden on society and I have

39:43

that right for some reason even though through socialized medicine I become a burden to everybody else by making those

39:49

really poor choices and it's not coming out of my wallet directly but yet I don't have the choice to say

39:55

you know what I want these natural products natural products like what I'm ordering out of

40:01

the states today because they used to be available in Canada but they're not anymore and me and my family have come

40:06

to really enjoy the benefits of taking those natural supplements that have slowly been weeded out over the last 15

40:12

years and so we still continue to order stuff from the US that is no longer accessible in Canada and somehow I don't

40:19

have that choice to make a good choice for me where I'm taking a proactive approach to my health

40:27

so that I'm not a burden to my family I am the best father and husband that I

40:32

can be um based on what I'm doing I'm I'm making sure that my children have

40:37

somebody to play with and to do fun stuff with as I continue to age or slowly slowly age I guess comparatively

40:44

to the rest of society as as they literally poison themselves and yet I don't have the right to make

40:50

those good choices that prevent me from being a burden to society and yet I can go make the really horrible choices that

40:57

causes a burden to everybody which let's let's look at economics here that's the last thing that we need to be

41:03

doing during an economic downturn during an economic crisis is becoming even more

41:08

burdensome and getting the medical system to have to tax more or take more from the budget from taxpayers pockets

41:15

and put uh towards people that have decided to make really poor choices that

41:21

they've been entitled to make here in Canada but yet been restricted to make good choices it seems really backwards

41:27

yeah and just so you know I mean I was getting passionate about the EM Power Plus example because a lot of people

41:33

died yeah and it angers me that helped Canada

41:39

killed people they killed people and terrorized people people died

41:45

and I think that is really the closing statement in relation to that end of the

41:50

video that we saw where they're not there they take your supplements they're there to protect you we see all this

41:57

stuff putting Health Canada up on this pedestal but really um

42:02

they are not worthy being put up on a pedestal for any of their auctions whether we go back to the thalidomide

42:07

issue whether we go to different drugs being approved that should be but David you know they're not there to protect

42:12

your health yes so you know in the true up trial we had to help Canada inspect

42:18

one of many on the stand and I thought I was going to box her in by asking her a bunch of questions that she was going to

42:24

answer yes to and then I would have a closing question she couldn't get out of and one of them was something to the

42:30

effect you know it was the health Canada inspector you're there to protect our health and I couldn't get her to agree

42:35

and I keep circling around and then she finally truthfully explained under oath

42:40

no help Canada is not there to protect your health it's there to enforce the Food and Drug Act yeah well now that I

42:48

know that well obviously that's what they're there to enforce the Food and Drug Act they're basically the police

42:53

for the Food and Drug Act and the Food and Drug acts doesn't say anything about get good health outcomes it doesn't say

43:00

Protect health and anyone in the know who understands our drug regulations understands our

43:07

drug regulations are there to protect intellectual property rights I.E they're

43:13

there to protect pharmaceutical profits we've made the decision it's an intellectual property regulations is

43:20

what it is we've made the decision that it's only legal in Canada to treat serious health conditions with chemical

43:27

drugs it's a policy decision that is nothing to do with health yeah there's nothing to do with health

43:34

if we at disbanded Health Canada and demolished all of their buildings we

43:40

would likely have much better health outcomes an in fact it dramatically Better Health

43:46

outcomes you know that the food regulations are such a joke you know the fact that people rely oh

43:52

well these you know our food is is regulated by Health Canada and then and our drugs well they're regulated by

43:58

Health Canada so they don't actually look themselves and educate themselves

44:04

it's one of the biggest tragedies if you think you can trust Health Canada to have safe food or

44:11

safe drugs wow no I mean I like wow well good on

44:18

you no I mean I can't get my head around that but I I've only been practicing law

44:24

in the area for 29 years it is an unfortunate state where people

44:29

put Blind Faith in the government and unfortunately reap the consequences for doing so and

44:36

the consequences inevitably and historically have always proven to be quite bad

44:41

I understand that that you have a hard stop right away here that you got to jump off because you're busy and you're jumping into another meeting

44:47

um are you wanting me to let you go right now I can continue on with this I'm going to actually about four more

44:52

minutes fantastic now I want to as you're talking about this and you're we're still covering the topic of Health

44:59

Canada it's not there for your best interest I'm gonna share a screenshot that I shared uh last one but it's so

45:05

relevant that for those who didn't see the last podcast it's so important that they see what health Canada is all about

45:11

and this goes right back to the court case wherein you were now cross-examining one of the health Canada

45:17

Health Canada um uh inspectors being miles brosu and you get to see the sentiment uh internal

45:25

sentiment of Health Canada and whether or not they're looking out for your your your best interest your health or uh to

45:31

enforce policy even at the cost of human life so here we go I'm gonna share the

45:38

screen here and I've already got it highlighted there at the bottom so this is you asking the question and then we

45:44

see the response right to help Canada agent miles Brooks who was asked

45:50

so if you were sent a document showing that people were dying because of what health Canada was doing you would just ignore that because it's

45:57

not a policy or director and then miles bro Sue answers yes so I

46:04

think we get the message there when we take a look at that

46:10

um that really this this isn't about human life and if

46:16

they were aware that they were killing people through their actions that they would ignore that well and just I mean

46:21

you know the context of that was is in in that case you know not only were

46:27

there deaths but I mean Health Canada had advanced notice there would be deaths and they had noticed as deaths

46:33

were happening that there were deaths there was so much evidence in front of their face that they were acting

46:39

Reckless but they didn't care because they're not there as they made it clear in that trial we're not there to protect

46:45

your health we're there to enforce the law and you were breaking the law let's just ignore that everyone else is breaking the law

46:51

um that you know it was Shameless and shocking in any any

46:57

person that thinks Health Canada is there to protect them should read the court transcript do you see what health

47:02

Canada says under oath when the you know there's penalties if they lie you'll be shocked you'll be shocked by every

47:09

single inspector that took the stand every single one and so we're just talking Court don't

47:16

believe me read for yourself the transcripts available online

47:22

yep so when I do have to go David but I really appreciate being on your show

47:28

and um and bringing light to this issue and you know maybe we can have another show and talk about again kind of what

47:34

is happening with this self-care framework um because some of the people especially the ones at the beginning of your video

47:40

they were kind of attributing what was happening to different mechanisms but but still being correct about overall

47:47

what's happening and the effect of all of that will be is we really are going to lose most of our our Natural Health

47:54

Products and be left with a truncated availability that will shock most of us

48:00

and and lead to very poor health outcomes exactly well thank you so much Sean I

48:06

know you're a busy guy I sure appreciate the fact that you came on today it's always good to see you again

48:12

um blessings to you as you continue to to share the truth and to Enlighten people as to to what needs to take place

48:17

I know you you've got an action plan laid out on nhppa.org NH yeah

48:25

I'm calling on people because you know we've got a whole bunch of big initiatives including you know setting

48:31

up in all 338 ridings to empower people to join all political parties just to

48:36

get them working for you like we need to peacefully take control of our institutions and we're in the process of

48:42

trying to hire a bunch of Staff but we don't have the funding and we need a monthly budget you know even if you can

48:47

only afford 25 50 bucks a month we need literally just thousands of you in our

48:53

our website we you know there's a way you can you know do monthly donations and get that set up but please go to

49:00

nhppd.org and start donating because we passed that point where you can ignore calls like this support all the freedom

49:06

groups support you know David in this podcasting I'm on podcast after podcast and these guys are struggling and yet we

49:13

only have any freedom and any realistic information because of them and like shame on you that all these people

49:20

trying to help you are struggling we're not a third world country you've got to start putting your money where your

49:25

mouth is exactly awesome well once again it was an honor

49:30

having you on thank you God bless you and um which I'm hoping will be soon

49:37

thanks blessings all right so I'm gonna encapsulate here

49:45

uh it was awesome having Sean on again Sean and I go back uh as an organization

49:50

with true hope we go back now uh 20 years uh of incredible experience as

49:57

he's mentioning experience that really highlights what the intentions of Health Canada

50:03

truly are and whether or not they're looking out for our best interests whether or not they're actually looking

50:08

out for health to ensure that we're healthy and and when we take a look at the model in which they've helped to

50:14

monopolize being the allopathic or pharmaceutical or petroleum-based medication model

50:20

we see the detrimental impact that it's had on our overall health because if a

50:26

treatment is effective you're going to see over time that there's going to be a

50:34

reduction in disease and yet when we take a look at it from the 1970s on

50:40

diseases only continually Rosen decade after decade after decade consistently

50:46

and so clearly the model is not working and so the question needs to be posed why is it that Health Canada would seek

50:55

to restrict access to the natural products that

51:01

we've had for thousands of years and prevent you from having access to them so let's talk about it real quickly

51:08

here Bill c-47 the first video said it hasn't passed yet

51:13

it surely has passed it passed in June that's what really re-categorizes what

51:20

our natural supplements are going to fall under it's what opens the door to being held

51:27

to the same level of scrutiny as the pharmaceutical industry that provides

51:32

dangerous medications medications that if not taken properly can kill you and

51:39

even if they are taken properly will result in ten thousand deaths per year in Canada or a hundred thousand deaths

51:46

per year in the U.S over one hundred thousand deaths every year from properly prescribed medications within North

51:53

America alone and so it is not fair it doesn't make sense that you would have the Natural

51:59

Health industry fall under that same level of scrutiny with all the costs associated because you need to

52:04

understand these are not patentable products there isn't a lucrative element to the Natural Health industry whereas

52:11

there's an extremely lucrative element to the pharmaceutical industry where

52:16

products that are costing 10 15 20 cents to make this is after the initial research and all that and studies to get

52:22

it out but once it's in the marketplace it's costing dimes to make

52:28

and yet it's selling for three four hundred dollars per bottle we're talking about massive of the

52:35

ability for massive massive markups during the time period in which they

52:40

have the patent before the generic medications come out to compete it is not the same playing field

52:47

it will not work to have natural health supplements contained within the same

52:53

framework as petroleum-based medications that are highly lucrative and highly dangerous it

53:00

makes no sense at all and as Sean was mentioning show me the bodies in essence right where are all the bodies

53:07

you know 10 20 30 deaths where are they there isn't the document to deaths from Natural

53:13

Health Products in Canada and it's not because people weren't documenting them it's because there's nothing to document

53:20

that's the issue and you want to know that it is in the interest of certain parties to ensure that they would

53:26

document them if the deaths were actually there but they're not so bill c-47 is already in play

53:33

the cost recovery aspect which has unfortunately shrouded the entirety of

53:39

what's going on many people think oh this is just going to increase the cost of Natural Health Products will no longer have access to them because it'll

53:46

be too expensive some products will you know companies won't be able to afford to put them out or they'll they'll still

53:51

be in the marketplace and maybe the the general populace won't be able to afford purchasing those products now

53:57

that's best case scenario that is going to happen it's already been pushed through it's being pushed

54:04

through it's not yet an effect it's not impacting us yet but it's just around the corner

54:09

and that's best case scenario that was the only thing to happen but there is other things it's the labeling requirements there's the which is part

54:17

of the Vanessa's law aspect of it which was due to somebody dying from or not somebody a Girl by the name of Vanessa

54:25

died um from a medication from a pharmaceutical medication and which it

54:31

incited um something to take place where and now there's going to be proper labeling

54:37

taking place to pharmaceutical medications that's been in play for quite some time now

54:42

it doesn't apply to natural products nobody's dying from the natural products in fact it's preserving life it's

54:50

improving the quality of life it's improving the longevity of life it's preventing deaths it's on the opposite

54:57

end of the spectrum than pharmaceutical medications

55:03

and yet we're going to treat them as if they were pharmaceutical medications

55:08

we're going to weed out all the companies that aren't doing that well financially we're going to weed out

55:15

a lot of the us-based companies and this has already actually happened what I'm referring to is

55:20

I used to do a lot of ordering I still actually do some ordering through the company but I used to do a lot more of ordering through a particular company

55:27

that acted as a distributor and they act as a distributor for many us-based companies that had fantastic

55:34

products and I'd ordered directly from them well come about 12 years ago

55:41

all of a sudden it was down to like less than half product of the amount of products no no joke because all of the us-based

55:49

companies that they were Distributing for pulled out of the market they said you know what it's not worth our time it's not worth

55:56

our money to jump through the health Canada Hoops for such a small demographic we have the whole us available to us it's more profitable to

56:02

do this we're not wasting our time on this small Market to cater to health Canada's requirements and so they just

56:09

pulled out so what you see in the second uh the second video there out of that

56:14

compilation is um the lady speaking about how many companies are just gonna back out well it's already been

56:21

happening so she's absolutely correct because it's going to happen more now that they're trying to get cost recovery

56:27

to take place because when they put all of these regulations in place it costs the government

56:33

a certain level of money actually didn't cost the government anything it costs the taxpayers costed you money to

56:40

implement their regulatory processes which are highly inefficient and not needed and so now they're saying you

56:46

know what we're going to put the cost onto you the supplement manufacturer for the regulations that we

56:53

have put into play which once again it costs a supplement companies anything

56:59

the other pull out or they increase the prices and you as the consumer are left

57:04

with the bill you as the consumer are the one that suffers so rather than now paying it

57:11

through tax you're paying it through increased cost of products it's absolutely egregious and it won't work

57:17

it's not in the interest of Canadians it's not in the interest of their their health and so we need to understand what's

57:23

going on here that there is a high level of risk right now we've already been through it we've incited those protests

57:31

back in the first clip that we showed here this this podcast started off with a news clip from over 15 years ago

57:39

that highlighted that there was Major protests or there's protests in these

57:44

major cities they only covered us they scratched a surface on it there was protests in almost every major city

57:49

across Canada regarding the stop c51 campaign

57:55

true hope is the one as an organization I recall

58:00

even staying you know to the office until four in the morning having these emergency meetings how do we deal with

58:06

this crisis that Health Canada is bringing forward how do we ensure that our products as well as other products are made available to those who want

58:13

them and we came up with the stop c51 campaign we did that branding we

58:19

disseminated it we saw the division within the Natural Health Community we

58:24

saw how there was literal infiltrators Trojan horses if you will waiting lying

58:30

in wait to create Division and prevent a forward movement of ensuring freedom of

58:36

access to these products interestingly the chfa you've probably heard of what they're doing the SOS campaign save our

58:44

supplements.ca that is them they came out with a sideline message

58:50

and they put themselves at odds with us we were enemies with them for many years it's actually a shock that we would find ourselves about a decade later myself

58:57

presenting at the chfa conventions as well as you know us showcasing at a booth there not sure how things got

59:05

buttered up enough there for us for them to let us in but they were our enemy in relation to preventing the truth from

59:12

coming out and twisting the truth to try to pacify the public and unfortunately it appears that

59:18

there's still a great level of controlled opposition out there across the board that is there to pacify you

59:24

and say nothing to see here don't worry about it it's okay you got your products right now you can still go to the health

59:30

food store no need for action there's a need for action

59:36

so I encourage you go to nhppa.org and see what they have to offer in

59:42

relation to an action plan as Sean Buckley had articulated as well

59:49

there is Prudence if finances dictate to stock up on the supplements that you

59:55

enjoy to stock up on the supplements that you've come to rely on you your

1:00:00

family your children because the fact of the matter is is

1:00:05

that we don't know exactly where this goes and how quickly it goes because even before bill c-47

1:00:13

was implemented before that even took place a month before that

1:00:19

at true hope we already had to start making changes and what you're going to see here is our

1:00:27

science and research page and when you take a look at it it's

1:00:33

interesting you're going to see a video of me there and what you're going to see uh if you were to listen to the video

1:00:39

I'm talking about basically what I'm going to be talking to you right now is that Health Canada

1:00:46

Health Canada came in and said you can't share those studies with the general

1:00:52

public that's not acceptable we didn't approve the messages or the information that's found within

1:00:59

those studies these are independent studies from across the world many of them coming out

1:01:05

of Canada some of them coming out of the U.S some of them coming out of um New Zealand

1:01:11

these are independent studies that have shown that proper and Powerful very

1:01:18

bioavailable micronutrient supplementation properly balanced vitamins and minerals in a form that you

1:01:25

can actually absorb can radically transform lives turn around the issues the bipolar the

1:01:32

depression the very things that I'm saying right now Health Canada doesn't approve of

1:01:38

and so when we take a look at it we had to censor those those abstracts you can no longer read those on our Canadian

1:01:45

website because Health Canada said so 35 different medical journal

1:01:51

Publications all censored foreign

1:01:56

this if allowed to continue on

1:02:01

doesn't end well and this is why it's prudent that we

1:02:06

rise up that we make our voices heard because if we don't then we know what

1:02:15

the outcome is if we do then we operate on a level of Faith hoping

1:02:21

that things will turn around and that you'll still have continued access

1:02:26

to the empowering life-saving supplements that you've come to rely on throughout

1:02:33

your life let us do the right thing let's rise up today

1:02:40

so that we can tell our children our grandchildren that we did what we knew was our duty

1:02:46

rather than saying we stood by idly and watched the erosion

1:02:52

of the country that we live in until next time

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may God bless us all thank you for watching episode 132

1:03:04

of two cast we will be talking about this subject more stay tuned and thank you

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