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hello and welcome to a special episode of True Hope cast in today's episode VP

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of true hope Canada Mr David Stefan and constitutional lawyer Sean Buckley deeply dive into Health Canada's attempt

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to remove Canadians access to Natural Health Products David and Sean discussed

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the dark history of Health Canada's dangerous tactics that directly resulted in the death of many Canadians and what

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actions you can take today to protect your access to life-saving Natural Health Products be sure to follow us on

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we are live um for everybody watching you probably

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know who I am you're probably watching this from from my Facebook feed David Stefan and today we have an awesome

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guest on board um a guess that uh our Journeys uh in

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life have crossed paths over the past two decades numerous times and his name is Sean Buckley

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he's a lawyer and I know he's a lawyer personally and we'll get into that story in a bit here because uh I've spent a

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considerable amount of time within courtrooms over the past two decades with Sean Buckley and today we have mon

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because there is something going on in Canada where we are seeing at risk the removal

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of Natural Health Products which many of you have an interest in many of you who

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have followed me over the years have have a real interest in Natural Health um many of you have had issues with

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allopathic medicine um and so there's a major issue going on in Canada

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right now and Sean Buckley is currently spearheading a movement to help

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restore our rights to Natural Health Products as well as alarm people or

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alert people to the risk that's currently going on so that meaningful action can take place Sean thank you for

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coming on today um I don't know if that that intro did Justice but here we are oh David it's

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just it's just a pleasure so and it's just a pleasure to see you again so

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well thank you so much for coming on I know that you've been really busy lately um my understanding is you've been doing numerous podcasts

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um a day even uh with with all this going on that you've been quite busy

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um educating uh Canadians abroad as to what's going on and that action has to

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take place in order to ensure that we have access to meaningful helpful

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life-saving um Natural Health Products that the majority of Canadians have come to rely

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on um over the decades so do you want to uh you know kind of fill us in a little bit

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as to to what's going on sure sure so um and just so your your listeners

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understand um I've been dealing with health Canada as a lawyer since 1994.

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and you know many many years of that practice you

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know half or more of my practice was occupied with basically protecting our access to

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natural products and I you know I understand them and if you want to know what somebody's

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intention is you look at their actions over a period of time so you just ignore what they say and you

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look at their actions over a period of time and it it's been clear to me for a long long time

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that Health Canada's end goal is basically to put us into a European model where we don't have access to

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meaningful natural products that you know are effective so that you know save

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lives or you know people that are really suffering alleviates those sufferings and so the goal is is to put a square

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Lando pharmaceutical model now the problem Health Canada has had is just over the years Canadians have

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rebelled against various attempts so you know like 97 98 there was a big citizen

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rebellion and the health minister at the time Alan Rock backed down actually on

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the eve of a lawsuit dealing with cost recovery of all things and here we are dealing with cost recovery again

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um now like 25 years later the exact same issue that people got really

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excited about back then and then again in 2008 there was a huge

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citizen rebellion and some of your listeners will remember the bill c-51 fight like so you know so the generation

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of us in the Natural Health Community in 2008 you say Bill c-51 they know exactly

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what you're talking about and what bill c-51 was is it was this set of really harsh Draconian penalties

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um that literally wouldn't wouldn't punish the Natural Health Community or any practitioner company it would

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destroy and they're meant to destroy not punish and you know I even forget you

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know who I was on oh I was on a national citizens inquiry um

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um I won't call it a podcast but you know we were calling evidence virtually with uh Dr Dani Rancor who was kind of

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updating us on the Canadian statistics for all cos mortality and he was saying

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I think it was Denny record was saying you know when the penalties get too strict and this might have been in a

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private conversation that wasn't but when the penalties get too strict you really are in tyranny because then you

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can't resist and tyranny is just absolute discretion right so where the government can just say jump and you

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have to say how high so but you can't resist and that's that's why we rebelled back in 2008 it's

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like you can't give Health Canada literally God like powers and right and also

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um powers to just order you to do anything so if they wanted to destroy a company

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they could order you to do like this really expensive and unnecessary testing

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they could order you to run a double-blind clinical trial even though like why would you do that even if you

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didn't have the product on the market or said well just with drugs no it doesn't matter and if you don't every day you don't comply five million dollar fine

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like per like it's just it was crazy so we rebelled against that but today here we are exactly in the same place so

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Health Canada just actually imposed those powers and it's interesting David how they did it so

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I mean I got a call two weeks ago from somebody high up in the Natural Health industry who said you know people in the

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bureaucracy like high up they still remember that bill c-51 Point like it's legendary the government knows and

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health Canada knows Canadians didn't want those Powers imposed on Natural Health Products so what did Health

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Canada do they snuck it into the budget bill so Bill c-47 the 2023 budget sections

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500 to 504 basically imposed those powers and penalties on the Natural Health product

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community and that budget bills passed quickly they don't go to the standing committee on health which would know

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wait a second this is crazy let's not do this and so now it's already become lost so they basically pulled a fast one on

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us thinking that everyone would just accept it

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so um but you know we're not going to accept it we're we're going to start another citizens Rebellion

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and we're going to get that clawed back and we're going to get cost recovery

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stop and we're going to get deregulation of Natural Health Products nice

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we're going to get the charter of Health Freedom passed so it I mean this is time

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like this is Do or Die um because we're in a milieu where this is now part of harmonization with other

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countries so and you know we're going to find ourselves in very short time basically

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under they're not calling it a treaty but it's a treaty where you know in certain situations the World Health

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Organization can even direct our health policy we're like this is the Brave New World

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that we've all known was coming where we would have international harmonization and so and that's why I

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call it the European model is there ahead of us so like in small communities there won't even be health food stores

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and you know in a big Community when you do find one you know you've got your vitamins and minerals you know with

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doses that are really non-therapeutic um but not a lot of other products and then what are your practitioners

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going to do so that's kind of what's happening on the ground so it's kind of

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time where we we have no choice if we're going to have the right to choose how we're going to treat ourselves when

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we're sick we're stand up now where we're going to lose it forever so we've seen this in other nations that

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you're saying European um I know back you know during bill c-51

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um which I want to touch a little bit more on um so that people recognize you know the the patterns that have emerged with

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health Canada's actions but during Bill 51 true hope

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um at that point in time we'd already had a history for about uh four or five years uh with you you representing Us in

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court and I recall using Australia as

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the the example of where we were going and that at that point in time and I'm

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not sure if they've had a major health reform or whatnot and I doubt it but back then we were utilizing news clips

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that were showing how uh health food store shelves had become barren

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literally they I mean they had all they had all this infrastructure to house these products to sell them to to

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merchandise them and now they don't have the products to put on the shelves they just weren't available

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and so we have these examples of what over regulation

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will do to this particular industry or community and we see who benefits at the end of

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the day from these regulations and it's not it's not the consumers it's not the

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Natural Health Community ultimately this is about protecting the bottom line profits of the pharmaceutical industry

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because really the Natural Health Community is is the biggest problem

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yeah but I mean even let's just kind of speak philosophically and ethically so

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what people have to understand is is there's there's a problem even with the

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foundation of our drug laws so in Canada our drug laws the Food and

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Drug Act and Drug regulations and the premise is so the starting point is

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anything for a therapeutic purpose is illegal so you know David if you and I went you

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know hiking on a hot day outside of Kamloops and you know we're trying to

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make our way back and it's scorching hot and you didn't bring enough water and I offer you some of my like David you're

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dehydrated here have some water I've just broken the law because I've offered water for

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therapeutic purpose and which is just craziness right now that premise

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might be acceptable and and I actually agree with it when you're dealing with novel chemicals that have never been

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introduced into the human body before yeah we should presume that those those you can't just sell them at like you

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know without showing they're safe and effective first but when we're talking about things in

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our food supply that you know we eat regularly this becomes a fundamental problem

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and it's totally inappropriate for the natural Product Industry at all which has you know

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for practical purposes zero risk and I'll I'll go into that a little later and where the real risk

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is is restricting them and and we can use true hope as an example so

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so we're in this situation where you know all products are illegal and then

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basically exemptions are granted in the form of a license so you have to apply to health Canada to

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get a license in health Canada will say well you have to you know prove it's relatively safe

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and you have to prove that it works for the purpose for which you want to approve it

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now the process if you want to use something for a serious health condition is called the new drug approval process

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oh I bet you it's been a good decade since I've had an expert on the stand so they're under oath and I ask like what

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does it cost to get through the new drug approval process but the last time I asked an expert who knew it was like

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well you know like a billion dollars well what that means is is only products

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that have a patent with a good you know long patent life left ever go through that process so in my

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lifetime I think there's only been one drug off patent that's gone through the process and it was sponsored by

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government so the reality is is the the effect of our Drug law is is to

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treat a serious health condition it is illegal to use anything but a chemical that had a patent

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that's the effect now if you were going to say let's develop a law to have good

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health outcomes you wouldn't start with the position well okay we're only going to use chemicals that have patents and

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we'll actually when we're approving a chemical not take any consideration into whether it's like doesn't work as well

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as something we've already approved and is more dangerous we'll never do a comparison with other options

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we'll just go through this blindly but the the purpose of the drug laws aren't

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protect intellectual property rights they're not to protect health so if you look in the Food and Drug Act

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or drug regulations and I challenge you you find anywhere where there's a duty on health Canada to protect our health

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or to protect any part of the public interest it's not there and uh David you

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know so you know when true Hope was charged criminally and I was acting as their counsel to

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defend them um and you reminded me I think that the health Canada inspector's name was

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Sandra Jarvis and so Sandra Jarvis is on the stand and as a lawyer

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um sometimes you're wanting to set up the witness into a box where they have to answer you know yes to a a question

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but you'll you'll ask them a whole bunch of other questions beforehand to kind of

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construct the box so they can't get out and so I'm doing this with her

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and so you're asking questions you're expecting them to agree with you and one of the questions I had was

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something like you know well as a health Canada inspector you're there to protect our health and I'm expecting a yes and

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she won't give me a yes and I you know I I actually clearly remember like when this happens to you when you're the

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lawyer up there you have to keep your poker face and and pretend like that's

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the question you or answer you were expecting but I kept trying to circle around and get her to say yes and

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finally she explained no we're not we're not Health Canada is not there to protect your health health Canada is

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there to enforce the Food and Drug Act and regulations so you know and and remember I just told

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you there's no nothing in the food drug and regulations to protect health or to get good health outcomes it's not

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there so Health Canada despite all their public messaging and even their name

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you know their name is totally orwellian but they're there to enforce the Food

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and Drug Act and regulations they're not there to protect our health

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and you know most of their budget comes from charging the chemical drug company's fees to get through this

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licensing process we also have a a conflict of interest they exist

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because they charge the chemical drug companies large fees so just I mean even without thinking

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anything nefarious although that wouldn't be inappropriate in this case just common human nature you're going to

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favor you know where you're the person or groups that that butter your bread so

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to speak yeah in essence they're being they're being funded by by big Pharma I wanna I wanna Circle back to real real

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quickly here about the court case and I want to provide a little bit of of context to

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that as well because a lot of the viewers here um may not have been really in touch

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with um you know the Natural Health industry and what what the what we were going through and what we were really at the

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Forefront of uh back you know in early 2000s

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um which many people that were aware of it uh you know if we're fast forward to my personal court case with my wife and

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I over the death of my son and the manufactured case that took place out of that for a nefarious agenda many people

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say well that it's it's a continuation of a vendetta that the government has against you and your family and so

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before getting into the context though I want to highlight uh the seriousness of it you categorized what uh how you'd

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box Sandra Jarvis in and and how basically she came out clear that no as

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a health Canada inspector it's not our job to to ensure that the health of Canadians is really being

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um protected however you boxed it in and I can't recall exactly word for word but we we

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do have the portions of the transcript from that court case up on health Canada exposed.com where we literally expose

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you know their their uh their dangerous criminal acts and and I'll say that uh because they are criminal

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um because when you would set her up in that box I believe that you had already

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had um at that point in time perhaps Ron legendes had already been on

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the stand no no no no no no no because she's part of the crowns case so we

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don't call any evidence until the the crowns case is finished and you know I

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also just thought of the 1 800 Crisis Line notes so like if you're trying to suggest that she would have an

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understanding that what they were doing was harmful at the time well absolutely I I mean

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absolutely so if you recall um and maybe we'll just give your your

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viewer some context I know I'm assuming because this is a true hope show they understand the DM Power Plus was created

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to treat bipolar disorder and and especially early on I mean the people

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that were on the protocol and being managed like they were the worst of the worst and it was largely Word of Mouth

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that that was happening we're talking about people that would be involuntarily committed regularly to psychiatric Wards

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yeah right and that cohort of people has a very short lifespan I think it's an expected five years from when you start

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becoming that severe right with you know basically psychiatric outcasts that that

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the medical system couldn't get all the approved drugs did not work for them exactly and they weren't calling us true

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hope oftentimes they were calling us their last hope meaning that we were at the there at the end of the rope and

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they were desperate to try and thing and so that's how they they came in contact with us and as you say Word of

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Mouth at this point in time the only thing that was really propelling our business was the fact that Discovery Health had put out in September of 20 or

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2002 a full-length documentary that they pushed into 50 different countries and translated into multiple languages and

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so that was really how the information was getting out there that there was these supplements that were correcting

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um bipolar and other mental health conditions right right so but the point

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I was trying to make is at the time we're talking about when Health Canada went after true hope I mean

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a large percentage of the people interacting with true hope it's life and death for them it is life and death

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there are they were serving a death sentence and they come across the Empower plus

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and they get well because you and I know if it's if it's going to work and it works you know 80 of the time like it's

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like the light switch goes off and you're not sick anymore so they go out in their lives back and I mean I I can

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tell your viewers I mean I called several of them to the stand during this court case and there was just no

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question they were serving the death sentence and you know disabled couldn't work couldn't go to school and then

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they're normal people again so um and every single one of these people whether I put them on the stand

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or there were people I interviewed as potential Witnesses what caught me off guard David because I didn't have it in

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my list of questions that didn't even occur to me to ask but a hundred percent of the people I interviewed

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as potential witnesses that had been on you know using the Empower plus to

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manage a serious health condition 100 of them explained to me they had a suicide plan that if they were gonna if

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they they were going to kill themselves before they ran out of product because they were not willing to go back to the

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life they had before and I wasn't ready for that because I

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didn't understand that what they were experiencing when they were not well was just so awful and

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so hard to take and it's so it's so explains why they're suicidal and their lifespans are so short

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so I mean this this was totally life and death but remember

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um there were letters and letters and letters and calls so what happened was

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is the and this is for your viewers I know you know this David but um the products manufactured in the

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United States or was back then and it was shipped across the border so Health Canada tells true if we you

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have to stop selling you don't have a license Let's ignore that back then you couldn't get a license every Health

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product and every health food store didn't have a license so why are you sing singling out like there's probably

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80 000 products on the market and you're picking one and saying you have to stop selling because you don't have a license

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and true of wooden because they knew a whole bunch of people would die and they're seeing this but doctors and

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psychiatrists and you know people whose lives depend on it they're writing and calling and that was all documented like

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Health Canada knew there would be a bloodbath if true hope complied and took

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the product off the market right and their paperwork I think you would you received their paperwork through an ATI

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access to information or something like that no it was just it was the the regular disclosure but I do want to get

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to the 1 800 crisis notes yeah because but and the point was is is Sandra

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Jarvis she would know this as an inspector yes and so people are so excited inspectors would get called so

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for health Canada to pretend that they didn't know that their actions were

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putting people in danger is outrageous and then so so many people are calling

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The Minister's office to complain about this that that we find

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that The Minister's office so they set up they called it the 1-800 crisis line and publicly they announced this and the

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public messaging was you know well a whole bunch of people you know have these questions and

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they're fragile and so we've set up a professional line with you know experienced counselors to help them and

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so the public messaging was is you think oh like the public would go is this ever kind of held Canada well we find out

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through disclosure no they were just annoyed and with the number of calls

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so they set this up so if you called The Minister's office as soon as you mentioned true Oprah plus they would press a button and you're transferred to

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here so it was so that they wouldn't have to talk to you but these people took notes and what

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like wasn't there like 800 pages of notes or something like that yeah no my recollection is uh there's over a

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thousand calls that have been been lodged wouldn't it be over 800 Pages like it's just I mean I remember it was

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a it was a crazy and these are remembered

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you remember that they weren't willing to disclose those notes well I'm gonna I'm gonna tell the story go ahead so but

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these are these are like these are notes of literally you cannot read the notes

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you have to stop you you have to take days off because it's people pleading for their

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lives and being ignored so yeah we knew these

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notes existed from some disclosure prior to trial and at pre-trial conferences we

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were asking for the notes asking for the notes and we're getting them so when the trial started I let the judge know well you

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know I haven't gotten these and I you know I better get them before the trial lands and you know with the opportunity

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to go through them and and respond you know in fact in retrospect we should have just asked for an adjournment

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before um but everyone's anxious to get this done and we have witnesses coming literally

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from all around North America and so it's you know when we had a good case so we thought let's run it right

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but the crown you know will look into it and then day two you know we raise it again and you know I'll look into it and

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I forget now if it was day three or day four um but the uh the crown came up with a

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new word and said um explain to the court while they were in I think you know a deputy Minister's office

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or you know some high official and then that person um changed you know bureaucracies within

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the federal government and nobody knows where these notes went and so they were

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undiscoverable a new word I don't think it's made its way into the dictionary but hopefully soon so these were

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undiscoverable documents and the judge went ballistic on the crown

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and said you know if if the defense doesn't have them

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um you know well in advance of the close of the trial that you know he would entertain a motion to to dismiss

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um so magically before the day is out we learned that these undiscoverable

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documents have been found and as you know the court day was proceeding

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um were being facts from Ottawa to the Department of Justice and that we would have them delivered to us you know that

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evening so um it's funny I was Judge getting mad can get documents that have been

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searched for for months um discovered so um what a coincidence like a

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surprising like just that they would find them you know within a couple of hours of the judge getting mad and

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saying you know I'd entertain a motion to dismiss it was truly good fortune for the crown that you know wherever they

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were somebody looked for the first time and found them

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and I remember that I remember that I mean I was obviously a lot younger then um played a much different role in true

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hope at the time and uh but I was you know attended for the court case uh for basically the entirety but it was really

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interesting to see that uh you know you know your recollection coincides exactly with with mine where in the morning you

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know this this discussion comes up and then yeah the later that day all of a sudden you have these documents and

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we're heading off to the printer and I think we're making multiple copies of them and stuff like that so that everybody can go through and start highlighting I remember there's a big

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rush surrounding the the process of of um these documents if I remember not

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remembering that part correctly um and so I want to just nail on on this

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though real quickly so people understand the criminal nature and and I don't I'm not I'm not being

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um you know I'm not over exaggerating or anything here the criminal nature of the actions of Health Canada

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um because yes it was well known that there was a crisis hence why they set up a crisis line a crisis of their own

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creation over a multivitamin that they were saying you need a drug identification

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number for but they weren't willing to give a drug identification number to a multivitamin to you know get to pass

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I mean so you guys are licensed for what what's the label claim supports mental

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health and well-being if I recall correctly yeah nutritional support for mental and physical well-being that's it

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and uh and I know that uh you know Tony Stefan was told and I forget who

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the head of the nhpd was at the time that they know your product they know the product works but there's no way

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they would ever approve it to treat bipolar disorder so I mean

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they know it but just just so your viewers understand so here you know they had advanced notice before they started

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restricting it at the border from psychiatrists and doctors and people

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themselves who relied on it or family members on their behalf it was clear

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message there's going to be deaths there there are going to be deaths don't do

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this now can you imagine you're in a job

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and you're about to do something that's going to lead to people's deaths

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yes like in any other context you're charged with homicide like you you can't

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even claim will for blindness you have all this communication and then once you start restricting the product and people

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are going ballistic you're having professional counselors document you know like you say if there's a thousand

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calls there's got to be 2 000 Pages plus so thousands of pages of people pleading

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for their lives and then let's not forget the Canadian Mental Health Association which every time there was a

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suicide Ron lash and asked the the Alberta Branch President would hold a

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press conference to try and shame the government in health Canada into relenting about the deaths right and he

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testified you know under oath during that trial that he was aware personally

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of two deaths personally of people that he knew personally where they had committed suicide based on what health

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Canada had done in restricting access to the Empower plus and and this was again

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next remember I said when I Was preparing Witnesses a hundred percent of them said they had a suicide plan in

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place so before they got sick again they would kill themselves and then you have the

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danger they get sick so and I don't recall in those two cases which it was with Mr Legend s but he went to more

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than two funerals so those are just two where he personally knew the people but he went to other funerals of people that

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the Canadian Mental Health Association were clear um were dead because Health Canada was

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restricting the Empower plus and again so I mean if if you need to understand the mindset this was about protecting

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intellectual property rights it had nothing at all to do with health right

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clearly and just hang on a second so I forget the numbers

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but there was a large number of people that fell off of the true hope database and never returned and we have to assume

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those people died so I mean so were there 500 deaths were

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there a thousand deaths how many deaths were caused by Health Canada for

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restricting this single product for a short period of time

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yeah okay so now we're talking risk

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and and I think this is important when we're talking about health Canada taking Products off the market because what

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health Canada does and you know in this recent auditor General's report that Health Canada is using to help justify

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their actions is they assume that Natural Health products are risky

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in fact earlier on to support So this self-care framework that this is a part of started in 2017.

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and where Health Canada toured the country basically putting on a slideshow

33:04

and explaining well we're going to do a b c d and e and it's non-negotiable and this is the order we're doing it and by

33:11

the way they're following that order to a T and so I can talk about some other things coming down the pipe and we can

33:17

be confident that coming down the pipe because they're doing exactly what they said they would do in the order they

33:22

said they would do it but one of the justifications in 2017 like

33:29

right now they're relying on the auditor Generals Report right but back then they created this new this new meme called

33:37

failed efficacy so what their concern is is that well the assumption is Natural Health

33:43

Products don't work that's their their PR reality they don't come out and say

33:49

it but failed efficacy well people will treat themselves with a natural health

33:54

product for a serious health condition and they're delaying getting proper treatment the word proper there and that

34:02

puts them at risk so they're not seeking the medical doctor and the chemical Pharmaceuticals proper treatment so

34:08

there's the risk of failed efficacy I mean so there's this PR assumption

34:16

that Natural Health Products don't work and isn't that funny you know that here we're on a true broadcast where you know

34:22

like are there you know half a million people that are only alive today because of a vitamin mineral supplement

34:28

after they tried all the approved treatments and they didn't work yeah exactly

34:34

came out showing over three times more efficacy with vitamins and minerals you know in

34:41

the proper balance and bioavailable you know form over three times more effective than your antidepressants

34:48

go figure yeah well I'm not surprised surprised about that and that may not be

34:54

a very good comparison when you realize how ineffective they are but back to risk

34:59

so they just assume that there's no benefit and here we've just discussed

35:05

a court case where actually the court found in their oral reasons that there

35:10

would have been more deaths if true hope had listened to health Canada not in their written reasons in the oral

35:16

reasons so so we have this situation where

35:22

just using true up as an example there were a large number of deaths

35:29

and a great number of people that were only alive because they didn't run out because they

35:35

formed smuggling Rings across the country and things like that to to prevent that

35:41

so what you have to understand is is when you're doing a risk analysis

35:46

you look at well what's the risk of removing something from the market also but Health Canada never does that with

35:52

Natural Health Products and I mean I could give other examples where thousands of people were only alive because of a single natural health

35:58

problem so but what health Canada does and the auditor general does in any other

36:04

government agency or pressure group or the mainstream Medias they'll try and

36:09

find a bad case and like oh this is scary look be afraid

36:16

be afraid risk risk risk without ever asking well what's the risk of removing

36:22

it from the market and then also without giving you any comparison

36:28

so just even ignore Natural Health Products and what's happening is whenever the

36:33

government's telling you you're at risk you have to somehow find out well what

36:39

statistically actually is that risk like out of a million Canadians how many of us are going to die from this and then

36:46

compare it with other risks per million Canadians so and when we do that with Natural

36:51

Health Products we find that and let me use peanut butter as an example

36:59

so peanut butter kills a number of Canadians every year

37:07

it's a fact and you know the worst part is is a number of those Canadians that are

37:12

killed are most vulnerable like kids they they eat peanut butter and they

37:17

have you know an allergic reaction and they die and there's even a larger number that

37:24

don't die but they're hospitalized and they need serious medical intervention to stay alive for a period of time until

37:31

they get through it and so we have all that trauma both for them and their families with that experience

37:37

um and you know what What flows from that down the road but

37:42

the entire Natural Health Product Industry I mean I've never seen a a credible

37:48

report where we can say oh no this is a death caused by a natural health product

37:54

although and now it is a little dated I'm guessing maybe it's about 12 years

37:59

ago I did an access to information request to health Canada because I wanted to

38:04

know well how many deaths have been caused by a natural health product in all of our history like let's have the

38:10

broader broader time range we're looking at something the better idea we have of risk

38:15

so I did an access to information request and I said you know well Canada we Confederation was 1867.

38:23

so since 1867 to you know the time of the request please provide to me you

38:29

know all information you have of deaths caused by a natural health product this that terms defined in our natural

38:35

product regulations which is a really broad definition I mean it's everything you find in a

38:40

health food store and health Canada got back to me and said well come on we can't go back to 1867.

38:48

but in 1965 we started a rather robust adverse reaction reporting system in

38:54

response to the thalidomide disaster and so we have pretty good records from 1965. so if you'll amend your request to

39:03

1965 to the present I said sure hard at it they couldn't show me a single death

39:09

that they have documented caused by a natural health product now I know since then I've you know heard

39:15

circulating in the media and the scare mongering that there have been some deaths which is interesting that you

39:22

know there wouldn't be since 1965 but all of a sudden when they have to be

39:27

trying to turn the public support for natural products away and they do that by trying to scare us that we have some

39:33

reports but even let's say they're there have been deaths and and let's and

39:39

that's a reasonable assumption I mean not every death gets reported to the adverse reaction database and we're

39:45

talking about such a large number of products that let's assume they're that

39:51

there are there have been deaths like that's that's not an unreasonable position to take but the point is there's so few we can't

39:59

point to any realistically and we can only point to a handful which

40:04

would mean back to the peanut butter example because remember you have to compare likelihood so peanut butter causes

40:13

I don't know like 50 100 deaths a year in Canada

40:18

um it's there it's actually hard to tabulate because the provinces do it differently and they don't all make it

40:24

into stats can right but let's say it's 50 a year so it would mean one year of

40:30

peanut butter use in Canada one year is more dangerous than all of our history

40:35

with Natural Health Products and not a single one of us would give up our right to choose to access Natural

40:42

Health Products to protect us from the risk of peanut butter not a single one of us would give up that right so so why

40:50

are we giving up our right to treat ourselves when we're sick and this is more serious than just these Powers

40:57

being imposed so how Canada is also bringing in cost recovery so they're they're right now

41:03

Natural Health product companies do not pay for site licensing and let's not go there yet let's not go there quite yet

41:10

okay because I was disappointed I was going to make is we're going to lose our Natural Health practitioners but as long

41:15

as we get to that because let's get back there the impact this is going to have on the whole Natural Health Community or

41:21

industry and and what this means to people but before doing so you know when we're taking a look at this and you're

41:27

you're trying to you know create a risk benefit assessment on it that even if there was a few deaths right and and you

41:33

have some people out there one death is too many but you have to balance that on how many lives are saved every year

41:42

the scales are so tipped in in in in reality that this is you know prolonging

41:49

people's lives you know using natural supplements it's improving their quality of lives and in many instances it's

41:54

actually life-saving and we hear that so often in in the sector that we're in where we're helping people with mental

42:00

health conditions where we literally have people come in saying you know you saved my life right we hear about you've

42:06

saved my marriage but but even more importantly like so let's say that the

42:12

reality was there they were way more risky than they are there's still a

42:17

fundamental philosophical ethical problem so so David let's say you're one

42:23

of these people that you know Rapid Cycling severe bipolar disorder you're

42:29

getting involuntarily committed to the psych wards they're and you have tried every approved chemical drug and you

42:38

know and your life is is literally a living hell like you have no quality of life

42:45

and and like I still can't get my head around a hundred percent of people that had found

42:52

relief with the Empower plus that I interviewed you know preparing for that trial that 100 had suicide plans because

43:00

they wouldn't go back like I can't conceive what their lives were like

43:05

so even if there was risk you mean you're telling me that we don't have the right to choose

43:12

and Troop was being perfectly honest with the amount of research they had and didn't have

43:18

but you mean like so my point I'm all for

43:23

you know you have to share all the information you have even if it's none like what about at the very beginning

43:29

when it was the quad program with Tony and David and the Ian Papa plus didn't even exist yet because they they hadn't

43:36

run into the problem where you needed a consistent product right and and then even when you know the first product was

43:42

made it's like people knew they were the research yeah yeah well we have this anecdotal evidence it's helped this

43:49

person this person this person I mean you're coming to us asking if you can do it and yes but you have to be filling in

43:55

these questionnaires and be managed because we're trying to compile the data like they were perfectly honest can't

44:02

can't a consenting adult desperate or not have don't we have the

44:07

right to make that choice but Health Canada when they're over regulating these products like we've had you know

44:14

they they the product doesn't exist then you don't have the choice right

44:20

right exactly and and that was the thing is that people knew that first of all is their last hope they're willing to try

44:26

anything they'd heard something about what we were doing and they were coming to us and then when the first study came

44:33

out and this is going to segue into a video clip here real quick uh just to give some some real context to understand

44:39

what we're looking at here like what the reality of this is but it's actually going to be even worse because we're in

44:45

you know unchartered territory here now in in Canada at least I mean other other

44:50

nations have gone through this but you know we know where where that that goes um but when the first study finally

44:57

comes out in October of 2000 and it's groundbreaking and it makes national

45:03

news and CTV national news covers it and interviews my father and all that that

45:09

now sets off this whole chain of events that leads to what this video is gonna

45:15

gonna show that you're gonna be able to you know on the tail end say yes and this is where I fit in and and what what

45:22

took place in relation to the court proceedings and then let's fast forward as to where we are today here but I'm

45:28

going to add that video right now um here and so we get to sit back and watch for a couple minutes

45:34

in Alberta mpower plus has been helping Canadians with a mental illness known as bipolar disease manic depressive

45:41

tremendous cost to the individuals a high risk of suicide it felt like I was

45:47

somewhere standing watching myself while I was here just bursting and

45:52

like a volcano all mad this has brought me to recognize a new me and

46:00

this allowed me to become you know a new a new person province of Alberta when

46:05

they heard about the effect that Empire plus was having on albertans they said why don't we look into this there's huge

46:12

costs associated with it and Mr Speaker they set up a 544 thousand dollar study

46:17

the decrease in their symptoms is of a magnitude that is is very impressive any

46:23

medication that ever had this effect would catch a lot of people's attention Health Canada hears about this and moves

46:29

in to shut down the study Mr Speaker I mean is there no room for

46:35

science to progress the treatment of disease I know that for a decade before this supplement

46:41

I I made over a dozen suicide attempts and I really am lucky to be standing before you today

46:48

they sent the police in to raid this little company in Raymond Alberta and raid their computers and has done

46:54

everything to obstruct delivery of a product I put in a phone call to health Canada where I was immediately flipped over to

47:02

a mental health crisis line where they have a script that says that uh you are

47:09

mentally ill you need to be under the care of your physician please go to the hospital if you run out of your

47:14

supplements you will not have this Dangerous Drug anymore we're looking out for your best interest an informed

47:19

consumer is a far better judge of their health care needs than any Health Canada

47:25

bureaucrat in Ottawa I just asked [Music] asked of life let me continue as a

47:33

productive member of society now there's over 3000 Canadians receiving help from this product and and yet Health Canada

47:39

would move to take it off the market Mr Speaker I love this country and I'm proud of my government but right now I'm

47:45

really scared at what they're doing [Music] is there no room for science to progress

47:52

the treatment of disease

48:02

so it's just it's really interesting we take a look at the totality of everything that went on with with true

48:09

hope as a case example or a prime example of what health Canada is

48:15

intending to do here where we have these supplements that are helping people research is coming out on it more

48:21

research double by placebo-controlled trial is about to come out um are about to be conducted to verify

48:27

whether or not these vitamins and minerals are having a tremendous impact on people and health Canada actually

48:32

comes in and not just for the distribution of the supplement uh you know cracks down on us

48:38

but they shut down the studies as well and the various studies that would have been necessary to be able to even

48:45

possibly qualify for a drug identification number that they're saying that we needed so just just so your viewers

48:53

um know what's going on with the Alberta study so at the faculty of medicine at the

49:01

University of Calgary located within Children's Hospital is a Research Unit called the behavioral

49:07

Research Unit and what they do in their psychiatrists and medical doctors on the faculty of

49:14

the or you know faculty medicine at the University of Calgary they they do trials they they research and they have

49:22

they had some expertise they certainly have a lot more now um but they had some expertise in in

49:29

nutrition and mental health and a lot of expertise in chemicals and mental health and um

49:36

skipping how they ended up deciding to do some initial research but they did a

49:41

case series with bipolar adults and a case series with kids I won't call them

49:46

bipolar kids the inclusion criteria was is if you were a psychiatrist in the Calgary area and you had a child with

49:54

severe mental illness whom you could not manage so it didn't matter what drugs you were trying you just couldn't manage

50:01

that kid you could refer them to this trial right and for both the adult and child trial basically eight out of ten

50:08

people got completely well in a short period of time when we're taking off all of their psychiatric drugs and it's so

50:15

astounded the faculty of medicine at the University of Calgary this behavioral

50:20

Research Unit that they went to the Alberta Government the Science Foundation and said look at this data

50:27

like it's crazy nobody's ever seen anything like this the government needs

50:33

to stump up taxpayer money to fund a double-blind clinical trial

50:39

and the Alberta Government looked at it and said you're right we do so this was

50:44

government funded run by this behavioral Research Unit of

50:50

the faculty of medicine not true hope all true hope did was provide the product

50:55

so they have nothing to do with this it's a it's a provincially it's funded

51:01

by the Alberta Government being run by a a unit that this is what

51:07

their expertise is and and on that clip was uh Dr Kaplan who ran the behavioral

51:14

Research Unit and so Health Canada comes along halfway through the study

51:20

and sets it down saying we never sought our approval to get you know

51:26

to run this trial and then you know they tried and tried and tried and tried to get approval and finally got approval

51:32

but they had to change the study design so much that it wouldn't be a meaningful trial design

51:38

so they didn't proceed um and do you know have you ever had that experience where

51:44

you ask somebody a question not realizing it's such a stupid question and you kind of get that look like you

51:50

know are you really that stupid this happened to me which is why I'm so I I remember I was interviewing Dr Kaplan

51:57

because I ended up calling her as a witness at the criminal trial and you know and I I asked like why

52:05

didn't you guys get you know Health Canada approval for the you know for the the double-blind

52:11

clinical trial and I got that like are you really that stupid look and she explained like and and this is what they

52:18

do for a living like she she ran that unit for three decades I think um

52:24

it's like nobody's ever ever in Canadian history got in health Canada approval to

52:30

do nutrition research like it had never happened before why would you what are you talking about that's just so stupid

52:37

and there was no procedure and then here you have this unit it's what they do for their living is do things like run

52:43

double-blind clinical trials like we're talking research doctors like they're

52:49

all medical doctors but then they got all this post-grad stuff like you know it doesn't matter what room one of them

52:55

goes into the smartest person in the room and they couldn't convince South Canada

53:01

to you know approve the a trial design that would be meaningful well I mean it it tells you it had nothing the the

53:08

problem was is the trial was going to show tremendous results and they couldn't have that politically because

53:14

their masters didn't want that to happen so that's all that was happening like

53:19

let's not pretend otherwise but I just want your your viewers to understand just

53:25

how ridiculous this was yeah and it literally began the day after uh the CTV

53:32

national news clip where Dr Bonnie Calvin you'll see a portion of that news clip on on that video there where she said any medication that ever had this

53:38

effect would catch a lot of people's attention that news clip airs and literally the next day Health Canada is

53:45

shutting things down the next day it's that quick and trying to suppress you know the

53:51

progression of science as uh Dr James Loney says there in Parliament so it's interesting to to just you know

53:58

provide some context as to what health Canada is really about here because we've had those those arguments you know

54:04

we've had you know I remember when Bill c51 arose and in my recollection and maybe

54:10

incorrect but this is my recollection of it is it that you contacted my father and alerted him to what was found in

54:17

another Omnibus Bill a large bill is a consumer protection act or whatever no okay go ahead so no so tone Health

54:25

Minister Tony Clement and I think this is like March 2008 introduces bill c-51

54:31

which was an act to amend the Food and Drug Act which you know largely was just these

54:37

what we now call it Vanessa's law which was you know really misleading so this

54:42

happened in 2008 and then in 2014 you know Vanessa's law oh we're doing

54:48

this to protect Vanessa well you tried to get this in years before so let's not pretend it's anything new this is just

54:54

how you're branding it so that was just strictly Food and Drug Act but immediately after Health Minister Tony

55:01

Clement introduced bill c-51 then Prime Minister Stephen Harper introduced bill

55:07

c-52 which was the consumer product safety act which literally had the exact

55:12

same powers and penalties but now just imposing them in the area of consumer products so

55:18

right yeah because it was a stop c51 and then kind of like subset was c52 you know

55:25

basically turned from both and actually I want to touch on this real quick um you know because you know we have

55:32

this this journey where we win the court case out of necessity um showing that if we were to move our

55:38

products that people would die so you know to avoid being charged with criminal negligence by removing these

55:43

products we actually had a necessity of a defensive necessity to ensure that they're continued to be supplied our

55:51

procs and programs um to those that needed them and our programs were helping people come off these medications while uh reducing or

55:58

eliminating withdrawal from these addictive medications and and so then we go into this

56:05

landscape a couple years later two years later after that Court Victory where all of a sudden the whole

56:11

the whole industry is under threat with the bill safety one and I want to I want to touch on an element here because it's

56:17

very I think it's relevant today and so you know this information is coming forward there's collaboration and I

56:23

remember um you know the urgency of it my dad calls in uh it calls us all in all the

56:29

administrative staff of true Hope Family not family everybody who had had a

56:34

management role of sorts was called in in the the late hours of the evening and

56:40

were sitting there in a board room uh discussing the implications of this bill and what it's going to do and

56:47

finally I'm I'm rolling back home at about four in the morning after we had a game plan and then back up again the

56:53

next day and and we're executing this game plan and I'm in charge of video work so I have to come up with some

56:58

video stuff and then I end up taking over the social media for what would become the stop c51 campaign and so we

57:06

brand this the Stop c51 and that was at the same time that we did the health Canada expose website showing Health Canada is

57:13

not here to protect your interests as Canadians at all at all and so we we showed the court transcripts and whatnot

57:20

the jaw dropping information that you know that they knew that they were causing harm but yet they were still proceeding and all that type of stuff

57:26

and so um we get into c51 and we start to

57:32

disseminate this information across Canada to all of the the the retailers we're making it known to the public the

57:39

news is picking it up at this point in time because the news was still you know they would still cover stories like this

57:44

up until about 2010 is when I saw the shift there but they're still covering this information and it's now starting

57:51

to get to the point that in every major city across Canada there is a protest with all this stop c51 branded stuff

58:00

well at the same time once once it's brought to light all of a sudden the

58:05

chfa the Canadian Health Food Association comes in and they take our branding and

58:12

they shift it and they use the stop sign which well man up and they put amend yeah one so they they piggyback off what

58:20

we're doing but they watered down the message and it ends up going mainstream

58:26

throughout the the Natural Health Products Community where a live magazine is now promoting the amend c51 campaign

58:33

and all that and really what it served to do was was create a major Rift in division with it it hurt the campaign oh

58:41

absolutely and it was designed to hurt the campaign yes do you want me to talk about what you know I think the Canadian

58:48

Health Food association's role is because let's fast forward to today and and talk about what's going on because

58:54

uh chfa has jumped on board with what's currently going on with I believe that they're branded the SOS the save our

59:01

supplements and let's talk about that so that people understand now that we're going to get into what the current

59:07

circumstances are what the environment is that we're right in right now that every Canadian should know about and

59:13

should be extremely alarmed over and that they they you know enraged over in essence over the fact that they're about

59:20

to lose if nothing happens if nothing changes right now they're about to lose their favorite Natural Health Products

59:27

and possibly even life-saving Health Products and be corralled down this you know into allopathic medicine you know

59:34

synthetic uh monopolized you know uh medicine that that's your only choice

59:40

that's where we're going if nothing changes so yes please I'd like you to talk about chfa and the role they're

59:45

playing today and what your take is on that well so

59:51

and what's happened in the natural Product Industry is called rent seeking

59:56

so if you Google rent seeking it'll come up it's a term that economists use for a

1:00:01

situation where you have a regulated industry and then the the government regulates it stricter and stricter and

1:00:09

stricter I mean there's the slow boiling of the frog frog because you can't just you know jump from you know no

1:00:16

regulation or minimal regulation to like super strict um but what the goal is is to basically

1:00:23

Drive the small and medium and even most of the big players out of business by making it the regulatory burden too high

1:00:30

and so let's say you have like five or ten companies left standing well they now have a monopoly

1:00:36

they have a monopoly so even though the cost of doing business is so much higher

1:00:43

they earn way more than they would otherwise so when the problem is something there

1:00:50

in relation to what you're saying about the regulations and it driving you know companies oh I personally have wholesale accounts

1:00:57

with a number of different um uh manufacturers through Canada for

1:01:03

some other supplements that we consume and what was of interest is back in around 2010 to 2012 there was a bit of a

1:01:10

shift where I was working with one particular company that was serving to be a distributor not not only of their

1:01:15

own products but they were also Distributing other products as well other lines that were available that

1:01:21

were US based and that's at about the point in time that you know the nhp regulations have been in in in effect

1:01:27

since January 2004 but that's when Health Canada was threatening to actually begin enforcing it that stores

1:01:33

were not going to be allowed to have um non-npn products on their on their

1:01:39

store shelves and a lot of these manufacturers of the US just weren't willing to jump through those Hoops for such a small demographic

1:01:45

and so with this one particular lineup that I had access to all of these products all of a sudden I've got access

1:01:51

to like a quarter of the products that I once had in that particular with that particular

1:01:56

distributor and so just by them you know amping up the regulation a little bit

1:02:02

more to the point where now the these manufacturers feel under threat and they're just not willing to go through all of the the regulatory BS with health

1:02:10

Canada they just said you know for that small demographic we're just pulling our products and we'll just focus on the U.S market so we've already seen a major

1:02:16

reduction in products available but go ahead oh yeah no no actually I mean it's interesting because it it's been a

1:02:24

bloodbath and yet you know you walk into the store and the shows are like bursting so you don't you don't know

1:02:30

that that whole lines are gone and you also don't know that like products have become less effective dramatically less

1:02:36

effective because Health Canada's required companies to drop the level therapeutic levels but I was I was

1:02:43

talking about this rent seeking exercise where you know slowly ever so slowly the

1:02:48

regulatory burden has increased well the big companies they support it and you have to understand they're

1:02:54

actually ethically obligated to support it because the board members have a legal fiduciary duty to the shareholders

1:03:01

not for good health outcomes but for maximum profits they can be sued if they

1:03:07

don't seek maximum profit so when they see that we can create this quasi-monopoly

1:03:13

they support it we'll guess who the biggest funders are to the Canadian Health Food Association

1:03:18

the big companies right and they also have been taking Government funding for the longest time

1:03:25

so now but in a rent-seeking exercise you have to have the trade the main

1:03:31

trade Association telling the small and medium guys that are going to go to business

1:03:37

no it's okay like this change is coming but you know we've negotiated it down it's not as strict and we'll get through

1:03:44

and so basically telling the Frog that's slowly getting boiled it's okay just sit there it's okay just sit there and so I

1:03:52

mean it's been frustrating because I'm part of a group called The Natural Health product Protection Association

1:03:57

and our website is

1:04:02

www.nhppa.org and we started in 2008 just before bill c51

1:04:08

and every step along the way and I challenge anyone I mean because all our discussion papers are there you tell us

1:04:14

one thing we predicted that hasn't happened or isn't happening now you tell us one thing we we predicted

1:04:21

that it either hasn't come true or isn't about to come true and it and

1:04:28

you know that because Health Canada is telling us this so all along the way we've been trying

1:04:34

to get the industry to stop things but the Canadian Health Food Association acting as the facilitator that's the

1:04:40

term used has tells oh no no ignore them nothing to see here citizen Move Along

1:04:48

but the last Act of the facilitator because we're now in the last chapter like we either not only stop these

1:04:55

initiatives but actually get deregulation of natural products or we're done and it's actually going to be harder

1:05:01

this time because this is part of a harmonization of our regulations with other countries it's part of an

1:05:08

international harmonization and we're so far down the road now this is going to be very difficult to stop

1:05:13

but we will if we either stop it or it'll be clear that our government doesn't serve us anymore so this is

1:05:19

going to be very helpful but the last Act of the facilitator is to run an

1:05:25

ineffective campaign because we're in a crisis and I mean they're I think it's their

1:05:31

postcard they're talking about toothpaste to them peace like I think they're

1:05:38

taught they they mentioned toothpaste what this is life and death this is personal sovereignty this is being

1:05:45

locked into a slave model where we have no no um choice at all how we treat

1:05:51

ourselves when we're sick or how to prevent illness and they're talking about toothpaste and

1:05:58

their their MP letter like could you could you write a less effective letter and even you know one that held Canada

1:06:06

can credibly get back and say well we're not making this change like what do you mean there's no current amendments to

1:06:12

the nhp ranks so I'm really I I'm skeptical about their campaign I

1:06:19

actually think that it would be better for a movement if they had not launched well there's no question so because the

1:06:25

other thing is you get people to take some ineffective action and they feel they've done something and then they're

1:06:30

done they're playing the role of controlled opposition really is what it is well that's that that's the danger right I'm

1:06:37

I'm clearly skeptical yeah yeah and the ram goal their end

1:06:43

goal is just to mitigate cost recovery for example what do you mean we should have no cost recovery on these the products are

1:06:50

already too expensive because of the over-regulation yeah and you know so their end goal isn't deregulation

1:06:57

their end goal isn't you know Charter Health Freedom their end goal isn't ending the the self-care framework

1:07:05

they've you know so like well you know our end goal is let's stop the trains

1:07:12

their end goal is Let's Be orderly as we get into the boxcars no no

1:07:17

okay well so why are why are they running a campaign at all

1:07:23

good question exactly and and you know what you're talking about is very reminiscent of you know back in 2008

1:07:30

they weren't about getting rid of Bill c51 they were saying no no we need Bill c51 Let's just change it right yeah and

1:07:36

I I remember I think I wrote a second discussion paper on that to basically have to counter that and I I likely

1:07:43

would have asked the question like and I know I did publicly like you show me one part of Bill c51 that's good for the

1:07:49

natural Product Industry like help me out here yeah like you you show me one part

1:07:55

but again I mean they made it a harder fight we won that fight well now we've lost it I mean now those powers and

1:08:02

penalties apply 15 years we have to fight to get that undone

1:08:07

but um you know that was 2008 so we delayed it for 15 years right you know they they

1:08:16

made it harder for us to delay it because yeah what a mixed message amend

1:08:22

I forgot about that a manual c51 and they were still using yeah

1:08:28

paint the boxcars yeah yeah and it was just shocking because

1:08:34

it's not like they came up with anything original they actually hijacked our branding that we had established and now

1:08:39

you have a stop sign that says amend there's a complete visual disconnect even there but it's because we had

1:08:45

already branded they were merely trying to come in behind and and hold that vision and they did a really good job of

1:08:50

it because it put us as true hope at odds with a lot of the health food

1:08:56

stores a lot of the retailers across Canada they were divided who do we choose right same as right now right I mean like

1:09:03

we're in the process of at the nhppa of you know trying to construct the campaigns and and The Branding for the

1:09:10

campaigns and and get things going and there's already been this parallel campaign

1:09:16

that that is ineffective and now you're you're competing with and you don't agree with their end goals at all

1:09:23

and they're terribly ineffective at getting the public motivated that's the only bright side is is they're not

1:09:28

they're not good at at getting action or bringing about change they're so

1:09:34

so they're still there's still hope there's still hope but we have to definitely take Serious action if we if

1:09:42

we think that we're going to be able to turn this around this is it if you don't so the what I'm going to say is super important

1:09:50

so we're in we're in the end game David well I mean we've just we've just lived

1:09:58

through the most significant government intrusion um for any Canadians alive even ones

1:10:06

that we're alive during war time and we've we've ever experienced before you

1:10:12

know but for you know aboriginals before the Bill of Rights that were basically prisoners on the reserve right under an

1:10:19

apartheid system um so you know post Bill of Rights we've never had an

1:10:26

intrusion like this and there's been a tremendous transfer

1:10:31

of power from the citizen to the government the citizen is now afraid of government so there's there's been this

1:10:37

huge transfer of power and the courts have totally failed us so

1:10:45

um I can't think of a single case so remember the biggest intrusion in our lifetimes in theory we've got all these

1:10:51

Charter rights I can't point to and I challenge any lawyer to point to me to a single case

1:10:57

anywhere in Canada that will act as a break on governments

1:11:02

doing this again going forward so we're all in this oh my gosh it's

1:11:09

it's it's going to happen again we've lost basically we're you know it's

1:11:14

like we're on parole and you know we can put up be put under house arrest at any time

1:11:20

so and Parliament has not been responsive but what's changed is we've got all

1:11:27

these Freedom groups not not on the natural product thing we've got all this

1:11:32

we've now got this Freedom Movement of people that are really concerned about this but they don't have a Target right

1:11:39

and Along Comes this issue the Natural Health product Community is huge and there's a whole bunch of people in it

1:11:45

that have no idea that you know maybe how we've lost our rights over this past couple of years is actually really

1:11:51

concerning because they're getting the world Paradigm from the six o'clock news which is is sending a very different

1:11:58

Paradigm message than people that don't watch the six o'clock news live

1:12:03

so they don't they don't even even the idea that this Natural Health Product Industry would be part of a wider agenda

1:12:10

to harmonize International regulations would be news to them or you know the one Health Initiative or

1:12:18

you know this treaty that we're not calling the treaty but it would be a binding agreement the Canadian Canada is

1:12:25

participating in where you know the who declares a pandemic and all of a sudden we've lost the right as a country to

1:12:32

choose how we're going to handle it yeah wait a second you mean we don't have qualified people in Canada that could

1:12:38

determine maybe how we respond to a pandemic we'd still even have the choice of following what the who says

1:12:45

which but you mean we don't have a choice they would have sovereignty over those

1:12:50

decisions not us as a nation and we're not even having a dialogue about it like really like so some people would be

1:12:57

really surprised but what what's so important about this issue is it will Galvanize a significance

1:13:04

section of the population that doesn't understand there's something else going on but once they're excited about this

1:13:09

they're likely will will start looking around but if we don't stop this is the one issue

1:13:16

where we have to shut down every MP's office where we have to dictate our terms

1:13:23

and we have to win and if we don't if so we're not in a situation where we're

1:13:28

dictating to Parliament you deregulate natural products you pass the charter fell Freedom into law you stopped the

1:13:35

self-care framework you get us out of the international Health regulations

1:13:41

if we can't do that then we will know

1:13:47

because we'll there's no other issue we'll be able to Galvanize such a wide branch of the population if we can't do

1:13:53

that then we will know that that reforming Parliament at this point in time is not an option for us in essence

1:14:01

we're in servitude like it's we're basically you know in that sense you

1:14:06

know the way that I'm looking at it is if if we can't win this then we know

1:14:12

that we are in essence Channel we are slaves and we're not going to win this by you writing a letter and

1:14:18

thinking you're done or are you writing are you visiting your MP and thinking you're done

1:14:23

we need you to be you know insisting for bi-league weekly meetings with your mp

1:14:29

on updates and writing letters and calling and why stop at your MP why not also the Prime

1:14:35

Minister and minister of Health why don't you interact with all 338 MPS or like pick 50 of them because that is a

1:14:42

338 isn't too too large for you to be sending letters to right um so we're we're putting together

1:14:48

action plans at the nhppa.org website to kind of you know write down to you know if you're not

1:14:54

willing to write your own letter here's a form letter you could add to or here's a form letter you don't have to

1:14:59

add to or here's a whole bunch of talking points you can use and here's discussion paper to find out what's happening Etc like we're trying to make

1:15:06

it easy and I know other groups will be doing similar things but you you have to this has to

1:15:12

literally become your full-time job um you know as as campaign after

1:15:18

campaign starts like we're finished if we can't get Parliament working for us again we're

1:15:24

finished it's done well they're hitting us from multiple angles right now right I mean so they

1:15:29

got bill c-47 that has the Draconian measures that they can now take against us that that would in essence it incites

1:15:37

tyranny it's like oh I haven't forbid that I I have an infraction against me because you know the penalties are so

1:15:42

huge they've also got on the table right now that they're pushing forward the cost recovery measures that are at

1:15:48

minimum going to just Skyrocket the prices of Natural Health supplements and people are already struggling to be able

1:15:55

to afford Natural Health supplements I mean the poor don't have a choice now right I

1:16:01

mean when we talk about losing our right to choose our act you know access

1:16:06

Natural Health Products we're really talking about an upper and a middle class well privilege yeah and and

1:16:12

they're destroying that rapid rate with with their inflationary measures I mean when they shut things down in 2020 they

1:16:19

shut down production and they increase the the money flow by paying people to be at home you just did the two main

1:16:25

things that you would do if you're trying to create hyperinflation and now they're trying to curb it by increasing interest rates so

1:16:32

you got this tug of war it's going to bust at some point in time it's actually it's interesting because you know I

1:16:38

don't really follow politics but I've been you know in 2020 I was calling this out and saying look like we have

1:16:43

inflation hyperinflation on our doorstep based on what they're doing like this is just this is economics 101 you don't

1:16:49

even have to be a student of Economics to understand this they increase the or they increase the money supply reduce

1:16:56

the production now there's more money competing for every product that's available there's less products available you're going to see prices go

1:17:02

up and so now they're they're they've got this tug of war going on and the way that um uh I I probably can't even

1:17:08

pronounce his name right pure boulev um is that basically yeah yeah something

1:17:15

like that yeah so basically what the government's doing is with the whole inflationary process and trying to curb

1:17:21

it with with interest rate hikes is you're driving down the road with your foot on the gas pedal and on the brake

1:17:28

at the same time at some point in time something gives and now at the same time they're doing

1:17:34

cost recovery on Natural Health Products it's going to increase the cost even more well and it's going to drive

1:17:39

smaller players under and some medium players under and it's going to reduce the number of products yeah so

1:17:48

and and I mean and that's not even the worst of it David so what else is coming in under this self-care framework

1:17:55

is a full harmonization of how natural products are regulated with the chemical Pharmaceuticals so

1:18:02

ironically they're reducing the regulatory burden for the chemicals and then they're increasing the regulatory

1:18:09

burden for the Natural Health Products so their the cost recovery you're talking about they're saying well we're going to use the fees to create a whole

1:18:16

new enforcement arm to enforce these stricter regulations

1:18:21

and and to go out into the marketplace and make sure

1:18:27

that nobody basically to censor truthful health information because false health

1:18:33

information Europe there's a section of the ACT fraud and then there's fraud under the criminal code and then our

1:18:39

telecommunications law has Provisions for fraud like we're already protected if people are going to go out there and

1:18:45

lie about things so we're talking about truthful health information

1:18:50

Health Canada takes the position and true up is a perfect example how many published peer-reviewed studies that

1:18:57

troops had no part in it all funded by government universities are there there's 35 medical journal Publications

1:19:03

being derived from over two dozen studies what you're talking about is this something right now that that's

1:19:10

that's hypothetical or that they're likely going to do let's segue right now and then we'll we'll discuss this more

1:19:16

but this goes into censorship like you're saying there where they're going to go out and they're going to censor

1:19:21

truthful information they're going to do that they're not going to do that they are already doing that and we've already

1:19:27

had interactions oh yeah no no no no no I know but but right now it's more reactionary so

1:19:34

either they you know they hate you like they hate true hope or someone complains about you it's very rare that they're

1:19:41

actually proactive going out there and looking but they're going to create a whole new arm of enforcers that go out and look

1:19:48

and then we'll get to the new penalties right exactly well but where I was going is so there's 35 published studies that

1:19:56

true hope didn't do any of them they're funded by governments and universities and it's illegal for True hope and this

1:20:03

is only according to elf Canada there's nowhere in the Food and Drug Act that says you can't share truth or health information and section 2B of the

1:20:09

Canadian chart of Rights and Freedoms gives us freedom of expression but if Canada takes the position

1:20:16

you can only talk about your your label claims so you know supports mental health and well-being being or you know

1:20:24

so it's actually illegal for True hope according to health Canada and not the law to share with you truthful health

1:20:30

information like one one my law practice is almost non-existent because for the

1:20:36

last year I've been you know volunteering full-time with the national citizens inquiry

1:20:41

but a little bit I had been doing recently was you know for a handful of naturopathic doctors because Health

1:20:47

Canada is attacking them for you know ad for truthful advertising about some of the treatments they want you know people

1:20:54

to come and engage them with and you know I could run interference or

1:20:59

if true hope ever hired me again or they're trying to you know say we can't say things well we could run interference before because worst case

1:21:05

scenario what you know are we looking at a five thousand dollar fine

1:21:11

but if we're looking at five million a day fines like no naturopathic doctor can withstand that so they have to

1:21:18

comply so now you lose the truthful health information and they could shut true hope down now like the fines are so

1:21:25

outrageous and they never charge you with just one I mean you're gonna have 30 or 40 and and you know if a court

1:21:32

agreed I mean you're done so we've got two websites we've got two

1:21:39

op.com and that's our International website we've got true up canada.com that showcases the products right here

1:21:46

that have the mpns on them that are available to the Canadian Market and so true of canada.com

1:21:51

uh in light of what you're speaking about we've had to revamp the website um in through on three different pages

1:21:58

significantly uh just recently so about a month ago

1:22:04

what's up because of these new powers no the new powers weren't even in play yet okay this is where it gets concerning

1:22:11

see it it demonstrates that they're already moving forward with it yeah for the new power so I'm actually going to

1:22:17

show uh it's about a four minute clip uh that's available on if you were to go

1:22:22

onto our website and you want to see all the research which was all there all the abstracts of the medical journal

1:22:28

Publications whatnot so you know average person go on be like hey does this work for ADHD oh look here there's five six

1:22:36

different studies that highlight ADHD let me read the abstracts and see I can make an informed decision well we've had

1:22:43

to make some changes so I'm going to show you the video clip right here it's about four minutes so if you need to take a water break or anything like that

1:22:49

but I'm gonna throw it on real quick and then uh and then let's continue talking about that because censorship is

1:22:55

one of the aspects I want to talk about especially in relation to the bill that they just put forward and so if we can follow up with that afterwards well and

1:23:02

see you know maybe how that will potentially affect our ability to fight this uh kind of addressing the risks but

1:23:08

let's just see a topic that's been on the tip of our tongues here in Canada over the past

1:23:14

three years and yet within Canada is nothing new you see over 22 years ago groundbreaking

1:23:20

research came out of the University of Calgary that had initially been done on the Empower Plus for the treatment of

1:23:27

bipolar disorder it was so groundbreaking that CTV national news picked it up and it went all across

1:23:33

Canada showing that there was a New Hope for sufferers of bipolar disorder in

1:23:40

medical news tonight there is new reason for optimism for sufferers of bipolar disorder a condition that causes manic

1:23:47

depression and a condition that affects hundreds of thousands of Canadians according to findings of a small study

1:23:53

presented today to the Canadian Psychiatric association a combination of vitamins and minerals May alleviate the

1:24:01

disorders debilitating symptoms the very next day Health Canada phone my father

1:24:07

and asked him who gave you permission to speak on National Television last night

1:24:13

about what you've been doing with these vitamins and minerals at the same time the Alberta Government

1:24:19

was funding 544 thousand dollars into a double-blind placebo-controlled trial to

1:24:25

further substantiate the effects that these vitamins and minerals would have in correcting various mental health

1:24:31

conditions Health Canada shut that study down preventing the progress of Science and

1:24:37

ultimately preventing you as an individual and the general public from having access to this very meaningful

1:24:44

information that would allow for you to make informed choices

1:24:50

fortunately the research continued across the world in various universities to the point now that there's 35 medical

1:24:57

journal Publications on the Empower plus demonstrating its effects from over two

1:25:04

dozen studies on various mental health conditions conditions like anxiety and autism and

1:25:12

Asperger's major depression bipolar psychosis

1:25:18

helping to heal from traumatic brain injury and also alleviating the

1:25:24

detrimental effects of PMS

1:25:29

you've come to this tab on our website to look at the various medical journal

1:25:36

Publications on Empire Plus you no longer have access to those

1:25:41

medical journal Publications because that censorship continues on today

1:25:47

and we've just been notified by Health Canada that those medical journal Publications

1:25:52

are not to be on our website and available to you as an individual

1:25:59

unless those medical journal Publications and the topics that they discuss in

1:26:05

relation to empower plus correcting these conditions is pre-approved by Health Canada

1:26:13

censorship a very relevant topic that we've all experienced over the past three years

1:26:21

it's not going away outside of the jurisdiction of Health Canada

1:26:26

there may be a website that's out there that has all 35 medical journal

1:26:31

Publications available for you to peruse for you to be able to take a look at to

1:26:37

educate yourself and ultimately make the best decisions for yourself

1:26:42

the decisions that Health Canada doesn't feel that you're capable of making and neither do they want to provide you

1:26:48

with the information necessary for you to be educated as a consumer we would encourage you to dig a little

1:26:55

deeper and see what you can find outside of the jurisdiction of Health Canada who

1:27:00

has a long history of censorship

1:27:10

thank you all right

1:27:16

so you know the the case in point here is that over the last number of months

1:27:22

we've already had issues of Health Canada and we've had to make serious revisions to our website because of

1:27:29

these types of problems where you know these are independent studies like you like you mentioned before well it's it's

1:27:36

just it's outrageous isn't it so so to protect you health Canada is basically saying

1:27:44

you truthful health information can't be shared with you I mean it's it's

1:27:49

outrageous how can there possibly be good health decisions and how is anyone even going to know

1:27:56

like if so here you have a product I mean eight out of 10 people with severe bipolar disorder will literally be cured

1:28:02

especially if they haven't ever been on a psychiatric Med like I mean it's like of the light switch going off

1:28:09

well how can it help them if they're not told right and who's going to tell them well

1:28:15

obviously the manufacturer like nobody else is going to tell them so what do we mean there's no downside

1:28:22

like I mean like and we could do that with product after product after product so so here's the scary thing so if

1:28:28

practitioners and manufacturers can't advertise and now they can't with these you know

1:28:33

Bill c-51 Powers like when Health Canada says jump you

1:28:39

see how high they own you we're in full-on tyranny because these aren't meant to punish these are meant to

1:28:44

destroy they're just so outrageous it's just ridiculous but

1:28:51

what's even worse is so now and just using the Empower plus as an example

1:28:57

to get approval of this lame structure function nutritional supplement to support mental

1:29:04

health and well-being or whatever it is you have to prove the product safe

1:29:10

and you have to prove it's effective for supporting mental health and well-being

1:29:15

and right now the natural Product Industry to get over

1:29:21

that effective hurdle can use traditional use evidence

1:29:27

we're going to lose that that's going to be a bloodbath for our our availability of products

1:29:34

because I mean think of the traditional Chinese practitioners I mean their knowledge base goes back thousands of

1:29:39

years as they do herbalists I mean I I like to use the example of

1:29:46

you know scurvy so like let's say you know we have the economic collapse and international trade collapses and all of

1:29:53

a sudden in Canada we find ourselves you know with restricted food options and and scurvy becomes a problem because we

1:30:00

just aren't getting vitamin C in our diet and David you and I see okay we got

1:30:05

to help people here so let's like create this like super concentrated you know rosehip tea high

1:30:11

in vitamin C to alleviate scurvy no we know 100 it's going to work

1:30:19

well we could use the British Naval records because you know back in the day when they had these long

1:30:26

Voyages of the royal Navy ships by sale and they didn't understand you had that

1:30:33

vitamin C in the diet like the you'd have warships that basically would become where they couldn't fight because

1:30:39

the sailors were suffering from vitamin C deficiency called scurvy

1:30:45

and it was a huge problem until they figured out oh we need Vitamin C and so

1:30:50

now all the the sailors would have to eat a Lima day which is why British Sailors to this day are referred to as

1:30:57

limeys because they had to eat a Lima day we could use those records which

1:31:02

conclusively prove but not under the self-care framework now we'd have to run a double-blind clinical trial which is

1:31:09

expensive and and like well we wouldn't do it because we wouldn't then because the process is so expensive

1:31:16

as soon as we got through the process we couldn't recover our costs because anyone we don't have a patent so anyone

1:31:23

could just apply without doing the work we did and say well I'm just piggybacking on them like mine's the

1:31:28

same product so realistically the the laggards the ones who are are

1:31:34

not the Pioneers the first people won't go through but you won't be able to raise the money to do we wouldn't be

1:31:40

able to like it that's an expensive Prospect David like so but just my point

1:31:46

is we're going to lose traditional use to prove efficacy well what's going to

1:31:52

survive like help me out here this is this is just going to be and under the

1:31:58

self-care framework Health Canada has made it clear well yes this is going to be the licensing scheme for self-care

1:32:05

so things you don't things over the counter not for anything you would seek the

1:32:11

advice of a health care practitioner licensed by a province so if it's something you would go and see your

1:32:17

naturopathic doctor or your homeopathic doctor or your traditional Chinese practitioner or your area vatic

1:32:23

practitioner or your herbalist or your nutritionist if it's anything that's serious

1:32:29

no they can't get licensed under these regulations like they could with the

1:32:34

natural product regulations they have to go through the new drug approval process which they can't get through

1:32:40

so you tell me like when we're finished with this self-care framework

1:32:46

what products are going to be left for these these Natural Health Care practitioners to use right and the only

1:32:53

way they'd be able to use them is off label but then they're putting themselves how are you going to get them approved

1:32:58

like they're not vitamins they're not minerals like what's the claim you're going to get them approved for

1:33:05

it can't be for a condition for which you would seek the well I guess supports mental health and well-being maybe but

1:33:11

when Health Canada went through you know the Cross Canada tour we went and took pictures of their slides because they

1:33:17

weren't publishing them online and they were showing how much they were

1:33:22

going to be restricting label claims like so it's already bad we're in the structure function label claim

1:33:27

environment but they were making it clear like we're really going to truncate the the claims like it was scary

1:33:36

so you know and they were making it clear like nothing that you would seek the advice of a healthcare practitioner

1:33:42

over no no no so the the goal is to make sure the only

1:33:47

practitioners you can go to are the medical doctors because the rest of them are out of business they don't have products right but even I know the

1:33:55

practitioners are already thinking well we'll just have to do underground pipelines and have illegal products and

1:34:01

maybe you know make it make it look like we're not doing what we're doing but now you got the five

1:34:07

million dollar day fines and they're just going to start picking you off and making examples out of you and people

1:34:12

will stop doing it now outside why did they bring in these fines now we know right but they they also already control

1:34:19

the manufacturers so in essence so what we're looking at here whenever you take a look at a large government body it

1:34:26

ends up you know turning businesses into basically their locks lock lockies right so basically Revenue

1:34:33

Canada account of the Revenue Agency what has all these businesses collecting their GST form right and all that type

1:34:39

of stuff right so we see how they actually start to use the businesses to do basically their groundwork for them

1:34:45

well over the last number of years the manufacturers have begun to come under attack where they can't they're gonna

1:34:52

get shut down by Health Canada and we actually are working with the manufacturer that has gone through some of this over the last three years

1:34:58

where they ended up getting shut down for a bit of time because there was a product that went through that was

1:35:05

questionable but it had nothing to do with the manufacturer there they just took the ingredients that were they were supplied with and they they encapsulated

1:35:12

them right and so based on that now Health Canada say no no you need to jump through all these hoops and if you put

1:35:19

any product out it has to be like basically to our spec right and you need to have it independently tested so if if

1:35:25

we say wanted to go underground right great thought process sure we're going to bypass the the end patented

1:35:32

regulations we'd have to find an underground manufacturer that Health Canada doesn't already have control over yeah

1:35:40

the new surround our necks are is tightening and it's tightening fast and that's why I say you can't sit on the

1:35:47

couch if you think you're gonna sleep walk through this one you're not waking up right

1:35:52

right and and to try to go outside of their jurisdiction at this point in time the problem is you know it's the same

1:35:58

thing because Going Underground is just exiting one jurisdiction and going into a rogue jurisdiction if you will

1:36:03

whatever and and you know we've seen it in times past but the problem is is that they've tightened down so much on industry that

1:36:11

they've made it they they played a game a really good game of chess oh yes the

1:36:17

whole thing set up for checkmate um we weren't even aware of it for for

1:36:22

those that didn't understand what was going on um we saw it going on we saw because

1:36:28

we've we've been in it for so long but the vast majority of people had no clue even you know manufacturers of products

1:36:35

didn't realize what health Canada was doing when they implemented this with the manufacturers when they were doing this whatever all these different little

1:36:41

small steps it seemed you know inconsequential well now they all come into play and now we realize

1:36:47

we're basically walled in [Music] oh yeah no no this is this has been well

1:36:54

played um it's been obvious that it's been coming for a long long time

1:37:00

and this is the end game so we either make it so clear Canadians have to make

1:37:06

it so clear and I mean this is gonna this is gonna be uncomfortable

1:37:11

I mean like I I want every Canadian to be writing all 338 MPS and printing out

1:37:17

our discussion paper which is 38 pages long and stapling your angry letter to it and sending it out to each one and do

1:37:24

that like at least twice a twice a month well that's a commitment you're gonna have to go to Staples and print all this

1:37:30

off it's too much for you and you're gonna have to pay for it and you're gonna have to you know put it in

1:37:35

envelopes and it's going to be it's going to be work and it's going to be cost but you're and you're gonna have to go

1:37:42

to rallies and you're gonna have to do whatever's necessary we're gonna have to form writing associations in every

1:37:47

single riding and have people join the political parties for the nomination process because that's their soft underbelly

1:37:54

we're not talking about the vote the election we're talking about them getting nominated for the election within their own party

1:38:01

we're literally gonna have to have variety and it's like where you're gonna have to be organized and involved and

1:38:06

going to meetings like if we can't get Parliament back on this one

1:38:11

and we have Max maybe six months to do it maybe I doubt it like are we going to be locked down in six

1:38:18

months or you know why the World Health Organization and you know wearing masks

1:38:23

and cowering in our homes and fears like do we even have that long

1:38:31

alert emergency fire and we need you involved in that so like

1:38:38

start by going to nhppa.org getting the discussion paper and reading it so you understand

1:38:45

um we're still amazingly uh having to get our you know website set up so that

1:38:51

it's very crystal clear to you what to do but hopefully in the next couple of days that will happen and uh and you

1:38:57

know like we need you plugging in like there's a subscribe page give us your email address so when we launch a campaign

1:39:03

we can let you know what's happening so that you can plug in there's another element I want to touch on real quickly here before we jump out

1:39:10

um I mean you mentioned people go on on your website and they get the discussion paper and and I've read a fair bit of it

1:39:16

and it's very good and um the only reason I haven't read the whole of it is because uh I end up going to bed last night right yeah and it is

1:39:23

long I mean I don't apologize for that but but you have to know the risk and you have to know the history and we've

1:39:30

kind of lost a generation of people that were fighting on this issue and if you don't understand how we go out here you

1:39:37

know you're you're not going to be as effective exactly and it's very well articulated you've done a fantastic job

1:39:43

of of bringing that together at least for the portions I've read thus far so I want to bring another element

1:39:48

forward because we we see the the game of chess going on with the government

1:39:54

and we you know I mean you see on our website you know even our testimonials

1:40:00

page I've had to do a video for our testimonials page and we've had to censor our testimonials a number of them

1:40:06

because Health Canada didn't approve them with the content that somebody else was sharing of their real life

1:40:11

experience it was independent of us we just captured it on video so censorship is is it's not going away

1:40:18

like I said in the video and they've come up with a censorship bill correct

1:40:24

well yeah I think you're talking about Bill C-17 which gives government the federal government

1:40:30

um the power to censor the internet yes and yes that's a very very scary

1:40:37

Prospect yes it sure is in today's environment so

1:40:43

yeah how long is it when a podcast like this is even going to be allowed how

1:40:50

long is it that you're going to have your website up there with that discussion paper that's the the time-based urgency in relation to this

1:40:58

fight is that's a great point in time do they shut things off

1:41:04

right I know I'm censored on social media I'm surprised that we've actually got the viewers on here that we do right

1:41:10

now that I'm looking at um because when I shared last night I mean I've got a following of over 10 000

1:41:17

people and then plus I've got uh an additional about 5 000 friends so I've got over 15 000 people that when I share

1:41:23

something it should be generated on on at least a number of their news feeds now obviously there's algorithms and all

1:41:28

that type of stuff but it should be really put out there and there's certain topics that I've touched on recently where I get almost zero

1:41:36

interaction with it almost zero and it's not because it wasn't interesting either and when I shared

1:41:43

um with the description uh this podcast that was going to go on I shared it last

1:41:48

night within about an hour I think there was five people that had interacted with it

1:41:54

within an hour normally that would be within about five minutes if not left normally it's just to change and then

1:42:01

share share share and I've been watching what's been going on and the censorship is real and and so I'm Shadow bound

1:42:08

because they're not actually censoring it where they're saying you know it's not available at all but you have to basically go onto my page and click on

1:42:13

my page to see it versus it being populated on a news feed so we know that

1:42:19

they're already engaging in this type of stuff different you know organizations YouTube is doing it I mean our Trail

1:42:25

page got canceled back a couple years back my page the same week my YouTube

1:42:31

channel got got turfed as well my personal YouTube channel the same week as the tulip one so there's some

1:42:36

concerted efforts going on um but the censorship is real but now they've actually just legalized it and

1:42:43

that is no no but the censorship that was happening was its company sensory right now the federal government will

1:42:50

have jurisdiction to censor and just dictate like I mean we all kind of Wonder and I don't know if your

1:42:56

listeners are aware but I mean it's it's Crystal Clear that during the covet thing in the United States basically you

1:43:02

know the White House and different government organizations were dictating the social media platforms to

1:43:08

de-platform and and censor specific people and like they would it would just

1:43:13

be going back and forth since or these and these and these like so basically there was government censorship and you

1:43:18

know yeah I I wonder did the same thing happen in Canada and and why wouldn't they I mean if if

1:43:25

the U.S government can tell the social media platforms to censor individuals you mean the Canadian

1:43:31

government wasn't doing the same it's just now they've got the power to dictate they don't have to just request right

1:43:40

so if I was to kind of sum up you know the situation that we find at hand right now is one we've laid out the intentions of

1:43:47

Health Canada that has nothing to do with protecting the health of Canadians at all in fact they cause deaths uh

1:43:53

they're they actually engaged in legitimate criminal Behavior with the troop case back going from 2000 to 2005

1:44:01

before it ended up in the courts and it was qualified in the courts that death did occur from Health Canada's

1:44:08

actions and that Health Canada was well aware of that and so we see you know the the complete

1:44:15

disregard for life in relation to their actions and that has nothing to do with ensuring that every Canadian is healthy

1:44:22

and and that they're vibrant and well and all that we see the underhanded you know tactics

1:44:27

that they're taking we see how they just got this these Draconian this Draconian legislation through by sandwiching it

1:44:34

into the budget budget Bill and and slipped it through under the radar of most people meanwhile chfa is you know

1:44:40

saying save our supplements because of cost recovery and they're covered you know from what I can see yeah yeah I

1:44:46

mean they have the opinion that we can't roll back c47 we'll give me a break of course let

1:44:52

me be of that opinion but they weren't highlighting that that I saw they weren't bringing that up they wouldn't bring that to the table it was almost

1:44:58

like a switch and bait type of thing it's like hey cost oh wow but oh no no over again and labels right like so

1:45:03

they're complaining about labels yeah so that's part of their initiative now that's another part of the self-care

1:45:09

framework and we actually are going to lose products over it but really we're

1:45:15

writing our MP about labels that have bigger fonts yeah and that's part of their campaign

1:45:21

like really really we're you're going to get people excited about the fact that the labels are going to have bigger

1:45:27

fonts um and they're going to be mad and write their MPS now again we are going to lose

1:45:33

David we're going to lose products over this labeling change like we absolutely are yeah and so so it's actually

1:45:40

legitimate but it's just it's interesting what they're leaving out and what they're choosing to focus on and

1:45:46

and I think their campaign's hurting our chances right because it's actually watering it down it creates it's

1:45:52

watering it down and it's the wrong targets like and I'm sorry we're talking about

1:45:57

life and death and you're you're saying you want access to your toothpaste yeah exactly well it's like don't don't

1:46:04

mention Too Faced and natural products in the same communication in the same lifetime help me out right

1:46:12

and if I was an MP I'd be looking at this and be like come on this is really that serious of a matter really because

1:46:17

they've minimized the seriousness of it they're not actually aiming at the real Target is what I'm

1:46:24

seeing and that's that's where the damage occurs from from this whole campaign is that it looks serious on a

1:46:31

business standpoint oh boy this is gonna hurt my bottom line no we should be talking about am I even going to have a

1:46:38

bottom line at all because there might not be products for me to supply no and and it's interesting David like

1:46:46

um like a large number of Manufacturers or members of the Canadian Health Food

1:46:51

Association and you don't even ask them have to ask them you know that there'll be different agendas like I say the big

1:46:57

players will be supporting all of this because ethically and legally they have to and and some of them are owned by

1:47:05

even bigger players and some are owned by the pharmaceutical industry anyway which is part of this whole thing yep so

1:47:11

but the they'll be small and medium-sized ones that that won't be supporting this but they'll be told by

1:47:17

the chfao where we're working on the blah blah blah and they're not supporting us like you know nhppa we're

1:47:23

we're having we have to hire a bunch of people we have to organize things that we have to advertise we need to create

1:47:28

this whole structure and you know we're not you know to date we're just not having manufacturers

1:47:34

lining up and saying well you know here we'll pay you every month so that we have a working budget that's reasonable

1:47:40

so I mean it's quite spectacular the damage they're doing right

1:47:45

absolutely absolutely and ultimately at the end of the day people the the general people Canadians

1:47:52

you know outside of of having any vested interest in in the business aspect of Natural Health Products but consuming

1:47:59

the Natural Health Products or wanting to have access in the future if the

1:48:04

situation that arises that they require them for their actual life they should be alarmed over this and and and

1:48:12

put into a state of action over the thought that they're not going to have access to the

1:48:18

thing yeah and and we're so far down the rabbit hole like I mean David gone are the days

1:48:24

that you can rely on other people to protect you like you know of issues would arise and there'd be some

1:48:29

activists and they'd get the job done you know we're so far down and so

1:48:37

intertwined with the international harmonization that and

1:48:44

the influence of the pharmaceutical companies on the leadership I'm not talking individual MPS

1:48:51

but it's like you know if you want to if you want to have control of a court system you just need a handful of judges

1:48:59

and the person that decides which judge here's the case you're you know most of

1:49:04

the Court will be squeaky clean and just I'm just saying if you if if I was going

1:49:09

to get control of a court system I don't need every judge if I've got 100 judges I need two and and the person who

1:49:15

appoints decides who gets to sit on a case that's all I need nope nope and I

1:49:21

can speculate that that's exactly what we saw in our own personal case over the past 10 years is that

1:49:26

we we saw that emerging you know just just the worst was so just so that you

1:49:32

know your listeners are aware so so the criminal case went well the court said well yeah you didn't have a you were

1:49:38

guilty true if you didn't have a drug identification number but it was legally necessary there's this doctrine of necessity it was legally necessary for

1:49:45

you to do that or else people would have died and be harmed so I can't convict you even

1:49:51

though you know technically you were in violation of the law but then true hope went further and went to federal court

1:49:58

and it you know that that case had started at the same time um

1:50:04

basically saying look at when you seize vital medication so we're

1:50:11

just the argument was just vital medication we're talking cough supper we're talking about things that are

1:50:16

vital that that you know people rely on for their health or their very lives when you seize vital medication

1:50:23

Health Canada or any other government agency I'm surely as a bare constitutional minimum you should tell

1:50:30

people you've seized their product and there should be some easy mechanism

1:50:36

for you to at least argue that your health interest which might be your very life

1:50:42

I'm outweighs whatever small regulatory problem is that with the governments because if you're poor you can't go to

1:50:48

court and even if you're rich you're not going to get there before you're dead anyway so there's got to like we're just

1:50:53

saying as a constitutional minimum if you seize vital medication and keywords on vital you got to tell them

1:51:00

yeah well the lower court disagreed with us can you believe it

1:51:07

Lower Court disagreed like just with this absurd legal Doctrine so there were

1:51:13

two parties to the lawsuit there was the shipper of the product and there was a recipient of the product

1:51:20

and the court said well neither the shipper or the receiver has standing to

1:51:26

make the argument so you know you lose like all the case laws on our side and

1:51:31

there's case law saying that the shipper has a property interest in the product yeah well I know and like case you can't

1:51:38

find a case that that says otherwise and the case law also says the receiver so the person that bought the product paid

1:51:45

for it and it's been shipped to them they have a property interest in it so and it kind of begs the question if

1:51:52

the person shipping the product and the person receiving the product of neither of them can go to court and say

1:51:59

the government can't seize the product and like surely I have the right to argue that's unconstitutional but

1:52:05

according to the federal court they said no and um and then so to the federal court

1:52:12

of appeal and the three judges agreed no no you they don't have standing no the

1:52:18

interesting thing David is is at that time the issue of standing and standings just do you have the right to make the

1:52:24

argument like let's say I thought part of the Aeronautics act governing how

1:52:29

airplanes fly was unconstitutional and I brought a case in my own name the court

1:52:34

would say Mr Buckley like you're a lawyer you're not involved in the airplane industry no skin in the

1:52:41

game you've got no skin in the game and you don't really have a live fact pattern where it's really interacting with you or anyone else so you don't

1:52:48

have standings because we actually want to decide this with an interested party

1:52:53

who can really vigorously argue with a fact pattern that's interacting them because we're going to get better Court

1:52:59

decisions on constitutional issues if that's the case and and I don't

1:53:05

disagree with that but when you're then seeing a shipper and receiver doesn't like but and standing had become

1:53:12

a big issue at the time and you know and and standing actually like

1:53:19

the courts have been siding on no you do have standing but like you cannot find an appeal level

1:53:25

case on standing let's so let's say true hope is you know day one and you go two

1:53:31

years after and two years before you can't find a court of appeal level decision that isn't cited time and time

1:53:38

and time again the only one is true because any Court looking at it goes well that's wrong

1:53:43

yep like that's how you know a decision was so wrong it's crazy

1:53:49

is that nobody else refers to it when it's a live issue at the time and every

1:53:54

other appeal level decisions being referred to time in case after case after case it's being considered as a

1:54:00

precedent but not that one because any Court looking at it regardless of this you know or a party well that's clearly

1:54:06

wrong no and really what that highlights is incredible you know and and I'm in a

1:54:12

position that I can say because you know I'm not gonna be reprimanded for but the

1:54:18

amount of corruption within the judicial system is phenomenal from my perspective I mean and I've

1:54:25

lived basically 10 years in in all the courts and whatnot and you've been a part of that as well in our journey but

1:54:32

there have been some incredible things that have taken place that are just so out of the ordinary to ensure that there

1:54:40

is an outcome that is not favorable to the Canadian public at all and that

1:54:45

really is uh an affront to our rights our fundamental rights as parents and uh

1:54:52

in seeking you know or having medical choice so I I would I would just say because

1:54:59

you know I have to be careful as a member of the bar what I can say and can't say I actually don't want to lose

1:55:05

my my license to practice but what I can say is is that I am astounded

1:55:11

over the past three years with all this government intrusion that I can't point to a single case

1:55:18

that would act as a break on government action at any level going forward and I

1:55:24

mean it's just astounding because then you know that's an open door for not just

1:55:30

governments to do what they've done but to even go further and that you know we're not characterizing so sure they

1:55:37

didn't make it illegal or like let's just use the vaccine as an example and and it doesn't matter whether you agreed

1:55:45

with getting the coveted vaccine or didn't because there's different opinions on that

1:55:51

um the problem is is let's say you agreed with it you thought it was great idea

1:55:56

well but we've given up our right to say no like it wasn't made legal where you go

1:56:03

to jail or get fined but I'm sorry that the um the public messaging even the

1:56:08

social pressure something we learned in the National citizens inquiry it wasn't just you know you're going to lose your job and Lively livelihood even a bigger

1:56:16

driving factor with all the social pressure like family members would stop talking to you friends would disown you

1:56:22

that actually had more of a coercive effect and this just this Relentless media so let's not pretend there wasn't

1:56:29

coercion um but if you supported that because like if you really believed oh my gosh

1:56:34

we're in this dangerous pandemic and this is going to help us well my

1:56:39

question is is well now we've set a precedent what about the next time when you

1:56:46

actually think this is going to hurt your child or kill your child or hurt you or kill you

1:56:51

like how are you going to feel about it the next time yeah so I mean even if we

1:56:57

were in a dangerous pandemic and even if the vaccine was a solution

1:57:03

like let's just assume those two things and you know you really think it was

1:57:09

Reckless for some people to choose not to do that just ignoring the obvious logic well if the vaccine worked you and

1:57:15

your family couldn't be in any danger if you chose to get it like let's just ignore the the lack of logic there like

1:57:21

let's say there really was you know concern on your part

1:57:26

um or even just you were concerned legitimately concerned for the health of the people that you think were being Reckless

1:57:33

like wow um and you know to cross that Rubicon where people really didn't have a choice in it and it was coercion

1:57:41

um like the problem then there is is you've given up control of your body to the government

1:57:47

and how are you going to feel the next time right and this the next times likely come in very

1:57:53

soon to a 15-minute lockdown City near you in

1:57:59

Canada it's really something how people didn't

1:58:06

I I know we're running really late but can I just share with you a police

1:58:11

state meme that I just feel the need to share so like

1:58:16

um here we were in the middle of the the covet experience

1:58:21

where we had these passports and you know so

1:58:27

you live in Alberta so in Alberta or no you don't anymore anyway

1:58:32

oh yeah that's right so I live in Alberta it's just you were in BC for a while

1:58:38

and so to go to a restaurant or go to kids hockey game

1:58:43

you had to like show your identity papers and I remember that like a lot of

1:58:49

people who had the identity papers would be gloating on social media like against the people that didn't like

1:58:57

haha we can do this and you you like it was it was really quite something and I remember thinking you you don't

1:59:04

understand that the joke's on you because let's let's think about what's

1:59:09

happening um because people have to understand that this thing of showing identity papers is a police state ritual and this

1:59:17

is important with our digital Health IDs coming through the World Health Organization of which Canada is going to

1:59:24

be abiding member of so before the identity papers

1:59:31

you knew you were free to go to your kids hockey game like legitimately free you knew you were free

1:59:38

to go to your kids hockey game or to go to a restaurant because you didn't have to do anything to get the right granted

1:59:45

to you like that's true for you you didn't even think about it oh Johnny soccer games at four and and you

1:59:52

go and you watch the game but with identity papers there's a

1:59:58

ritual to basically subconsciously enforce in your mind that you're not free

2:00:05

to go to the hockey game but rather the state grants you permission when you go through the

2:00:12

ritual like think about Classic police States you know like Nazi Germany or staliness

2:00:17

Russia where they'd have roadblocks within cities at Major intersections at times

2:00:22

they didn't actually they'd let you through the roadblock when you showed your papers they weren't there to

2:00:28

restrict you from going from one area of the city to the next and they didn't need to know where

2:00:34

you're going because they knew where you lived if they wanted to track you down and they knew you'd be there at night it's where you'd eat supper and it's

2:00:41

where you'd sleep but what it does is it reinforces subconsciously that you're a

2:00:46

slave that you're not free to do it that you have to go through this ritual and

2:00:52

then be granted permission that's the purpose of identity papers it wasn't for contact tracing are you

2:00:59

kidding me yeah it was to get us understanding that

2:01:04

we were no longer free to do these activities and that the state would have to grant

2:01:09

us permission and David people's children watched them

2:01:16

give identity papers to go into restaurants to go to a hockey

2:01:22

like how do we come back as a society from having our children

2:01:28

watch their parents go through police state rituals like I I

2:01:33

I don't know how we undo that I don't know if it can be because this is this is a humanistic issue you know

2:01:41

for time infant item it's been since the beginning James Allen uh the the one who

2:01:46

wrote he wrote a number of books but as a man thinketh was one of his most popular ones he sums it up and it's

2:01:52

summed up over the peer of a paragraph and I'm going to paraphrase that and he basically States the problem isn't is

2:01:58

that there's so many tyrants it's that there's so many slaves and so it's like people

2:02:06

a a very large majority of the people actually want servitude because there's

2:02:12

a false sense of security that comes with it it's a really strange phenomenon to me I

2:02:18

I can't grasp it my mind doesn't work that way I don't comply right

2:02:26

because you instructed me not to speak openly at one point in time when you were representing me as a lawyer and you

2:02:32

knew that I kept on I just couldn't keep my bloody mouth shut right when the truth had to be spoken yeah no no in all

2:02:38

fairness that was for a limited period of time on a on a specific purpose I get it look what

2:02:45

I did instruct you all right well I I I informed you of what I thought the

2:02:52

consequences would be you did your due diligence and it did get me it did get

2:02:58

me behind bars for a limited period of time my my keeping my mouth open it's

2:03:03

true so you're doing yeah I get it but no I mean the reality is is that you

2:03:08

know I care deeply for both you and Colette and uh and at all times tried to

2:03:13

protect you guys so exactly no and you were doing what any lawyer would have done and that's why most people that are that have been um charged you don't see

2:03:21

them speaking publicly you know they have a lawyer representing them but you but that's what I'm I'm getting the point out there that I don't understand

2:03:27

how people can can be have that slave mentality but

2:03:32

um the vast majority of people it appears do have it to a certain degree whether they're enslaved to what their

2:03:39

peers think of them whether they're enslaved to having recreational activities available to them with you know going to the movies going to uh

2:03:46

restaurants blah blah you know uh whether they're enslaved to their job which is you know that that's a little

2:03:51

bit of a harder one to get around for most people but hey I'm not gonna have a job if I don't get a job so I'm getting a job even though I don't want to get

2:03:57

one it shows that they're enslaved to something and and when we look at the vast majority of people they're

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suffering with that that they haven't broken those chains that they're that they have some kind of Vice that's holding them down and unfortunately you

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know you bring up the point how are we going to come back from this

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um you know because you you know you basically use the economic chain as a and I mean I have friends for example

2:04:22

that that receive the covet jobs solely because they had a mortgage and a

2:04:27

family to feed and um you know it made me understand that even you know our debt and greed-based

2:04:35

model where you have to have a new car and you have to have a house and we go into debt that is a deliberate policy

2:04:43

decision from the people that want to control you so that actually you can be controlled

2:04:49

um like when my grandfather built a house they dug the hole poured the foundation put

2:04:56

plywood over it and lived in the basement for a couple of years until they had money to frame the single level

2:05:02

right and and like that's how people didn't go into debt but then they couldn't be controlled people that

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aren't in debt can't be controlled economically it's another level lever and we've actually been trained to rely

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on the government for absolutely everything so even the welfare state which you know sounds great

2:05:23

but then first of all we're no longer taking personal responsibility for our

2:05:28

brother you know and taking care of them like we're supposed to so we actually kind of

2:05:33

lose uh living the second commandment which is you know the foundation of how

2:05:39

we're supposed to interact with each other right and we also we also create a

2:05:44

whole class of people that are dependent on the government and you know and and literally either slaves

2:05:50

dependence is slavery and all of this is absolute absolutely deliberate and

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people are afraid because they don't understand that at any minute they could take back

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power let me just tell you one little story and then I have to go because we have been quite long and I I have

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another call I have to attend um one of the witnesses I called it the national citizens inquiry and when they

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were sitting in Red Deer was a lady named radina

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and she was a political Refugee from Poland who had from the beginning been

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involved in the solidarity movement so from the beginning and what she described to me when I was

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interviewing her didn't come out as clear on the stand and parts of this didn't come out on the stand at all

2:06:41

is um just how little support they have and um you know when they're making

2:06:47

waves and stuff like that and then the the leadership gets arrested and they're having to care for the families of the

2:06:52

leaders and try to keep getting the messaging out and then she gets arrested for handing out brochures that go

2:06:59

against the government narrative in a sentence to I think three and a half years in jail by a Military

2:07:05

Tribunal he was kind of Poland this is in Poland yeah and

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um and she said to me yeah so she came to Canada as a political Refugee after they

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got their country back but it was still dangerous for people like her to remain in Poland

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so um but she said the people

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did not take to the streets until the economy collapsed and the bread ran out so they're literally hungry so now

2:07:37

they're desperate and they take to the streets and in very short period of time once that happened they have control

2:07:43

over the country again and the police state is gone but the interesting thing is David is they could have done that a

2:07:49

year before two years before a decade before two decades before they always

2:07:54

they always had the power to free themselves and their children by taking to the streets

2:08:03

but they didn't until they were desperate and the Brad ran out and that

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that is a scary Prospect because we as Canadians could peacefully take control

2:08:14

of our institutions again and reform them so that they're working for us again

2:08:21

at any time at any time we could do that

2:08:26

yeah and we're choosing not to we're choosing to go through all of this madness and it's we're we're past the

2:08:33

point where we can get our institutions back without it being costly to us and it's just going to get

2:08:39

more and more costly the longer we wait but we're waiting and but we're running

2:08:44

we can't wait any longer and I think this is an issue that that people can get behind and

2:08:51

start taking action and then seeing wait a second I I can get Parliament working for me again

2:08:56

I can protect our fundamental rights then so we can then let's let's

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get our natural products back let's get our personal sovereignty back

2:09:06

and then we can deal with things like censorship and you know basically government overreach into other

2:09:12

institutions that are afraid to you know act in in the public interest and like let's let's get this back on track let's

2:09:19

reform again so that everything is working for the this public interest and not for narrow interests right and um

2:09:26

and basically build a world again that where actually would be proud to hand to our grandkids because it's right now

2:09:33

it's just a mess and it's getting worse so if we're to talk about uh you know action plan and I know that uh you know

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you've mentioned go to nhppa.org yeah the discussion paper write your own letter you know start

2:09:46

hounding those MPS and whatnot make it known that's that's you know let's say that's plan a you've also made mention

2:09:53

about um and I know I've had people reaching out to me about this about you know in the meantime Plan B in essence

2:10:00

is stockpile um the supplements that you've come to

2:10:06

rely on I think we're I think you're crazy not to stockpile your supplements are you are you kidding me stockpile now

2:10:14

so especially like stuff you you rely on and and you know and then like you know

2:10:21

the Staples like your vitamin d and vitamin C and and you know NAC and

2:10:26

things like that like yeah because you might not have access to them tomorrow and and well yeah I

2:10:33

mean it's not going to happen immediately but I mean you might as well start now you know like a lot of these

2:10:39

things have a shelf life forever um so you know you know that it's coming

2:10:46

like unless we stop this Yeah so basically execute plan a plan B

2:10:52

at the same time you know there's an element here that needs to be covered I think that a compromise or people with

2:10:58

compromised Health are much easier easily controlled right if you have compromised well-being

2:11:04

you're just you're way easier to to to guide to and whatnot the the people that

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I see out there that are the greatest uh you know Freedom Warriors they have their health about them right because as

2:11:15

soon as you don't have your health I mean you're distracted you're focused on other things you're just trying to yeah you're just trying to exist you're

2:11:21

trying to get through the day right plain and simple so stockpile the supplements that that you that you

2:11:27

have come to rely on so you have access to those so that in the event if it does go south where you don't have those

2:11:34

available to you at least you have enough for yourself to keep yourself going so that you can come to the table

2:11:40

with a much greater offering than somebody who's extremely nutrient deprived because you're not getting it out of your food I mean that's a whole

2:11:46

other topic that we could discuss that that would take long but about how they you know the the food stuffs have been

2:11:53

compromised over the last 150 years that it doesn't act as our medicine anymore they've poisoned it and they've they've

2:11:59

deprived of nutrients so you're eating empty poisoned food now and that's why we see a rising disease to a significant

2:12:05

level right compared to previous generations so I think that you know that plan

2:12:13

needs to be employed on on a broad scale in essence because it's not just natural

2:12:18

products as well I mean we're holding in on that and we want to definitely focus on that so that there is a pointed uh

2:12:24

plan of action here but our whole lives to be able to free ourselves from the servitude that we find ourselves in and

2:12:31

this has been a fantastic experiment over the last three years to determine how how enslaved we actually are that we

2:12:37

weren't even aware of it right if we found ourselves doing stuff that we otherwise wouldn't have done

2:12:42

um it shows that we were that we were enslaved in one way or another and we just didn't know it but now we've gone through this this situation so

2:12:50

um we need to be basically freeing ourselves from um the shackles of of a tyrannical

2:12:56

government and we need to try to turn it over like you're saying and let's do that peacefully let's make sure that we

2:13:03

are getting it out there that we are we are creating a major um annoyance for these MPS and hopefully

2:13:10

they don't instill some kind of Bill that will prevent us from doing that I mean we see the freedom Convoy and where

2:13:15

that went and what precedent was established there now and that the emergencies act can uh you know uh

2:13:21

basically the war measures act can be employed for next to nothing when there isn't a National Emergency

2:13:27

uh displaying imminent uh risk or harm to anybody right yeah I know I mean in

2:13:33

all fairness um the trucker movement had clearly communicated to the government that they

2:13:38

were going to dismantle and that it wasn't necessary to bring the police in and maybe they were worried about you

2:13:45

know they might hit the fire hydrant or something it's the clearing out so right

2:13:51

I mean I watched it live I still can't I'm still traumatized watching you know

2:13:58

Jack booted police taking down citizens one by one as if you know they were

2:14:04

dangerous this was an incredibly peaceful protest on an incredibly important issue and the government

2:14:09

ignored them in their entirety and if that wasn't a wake-up call I mean it was the truckers that woke me up and and out

2:14:17

of being afraid where I really wasn't doing anything of consequence to where it's like well

2:14:24

they're they're suffering consequences they're putting it on the line for me and I can't ethically sit still anymore

2:14:31

and I think everyone needs to just understand you're you're gonna This is Gonna Hurt You resistance is gonna hurt

2:14:38

you like to get real meaningful change it's not free your Freedom's not free anymore

2:14:44

right here you're going to pay for it yep but exactly but you're not gonna you you

2:14:51

will lose the window of getting it back unless you act now yes so a call for people to rise up

2:14:58

to come out of their state of dormancy and to make sure they do something about it before it's too late before it's too

2:15:04

late um I mean right now we're in the position like you say it's already too late it's just can we can we pull it out

2:15:11

of the fire exactly the legislation's been passed we're already we're already in crisis State can we come can we pull

2:15:17

it back it's not even a matter of preventing it the wall has been breached are you willing to do something about it

2:15:23

are you willing to push the enemy back outside of the wall or are you going to live with the consequences of having the

2:15:30

enemy amongst you yeah living basically in your same domicile it's just we're in such a

2:15:37

situation here that people just don't don't see the urgency of it uh for the

2:15:42

most part and and they need to no no because you know um we've been LED out of our cage so

2:15:47

since the truckers Convoy I mean we weren't locked down last winter after that right so we just went through

2:15:52

winter not and that's the only reason I mean because they didn't want another Convoy

2:15:58

with people you know willing to pay even a higher price and um but it's coming

2:16:06

no it's it's coming so we've we're in the eye of the hurricane but we're not

2:16:12

out of the hurricane so I think and you know it's summer and people are just so desperate to have some normalcy myself

2:16:18

included right leg we're gonna go camping next month you

2:16:26

know and hopefully be able to forget about just what's happening but the

2:16:31

reality is is we're not getting back to normal

2:16:37

there's there's no normal to go back to and and we haven't even begun to

2:16:43

understand the consequences of what's already happening like I don't know if your viewers have watched the national

2:16:49

citizens inquiry or even know what it was by a group of citizens got together

2:16:55

with the idea that the government is not going to look into covet issues they appointed four independent

2:17:01

Commissioners like write down the rules like their separation they can't influence the commissioner's report

2:17:07

just with Public Funding like and it was just citizens donating like 100 bucks each type thing they marched them across

2:17:15

eight cities so Truro Toronto Winnipeg Saskatoon Red Deer Vancouver Quebec City

2:17:23

Ottawa three days in each City 24 days of hearing all under oath all led by volunteer

2:17:28

lawyers um 75 experts and we're talking the world-class ones you know your Malone's

2:17:35

and and at doubt and the whole crew but citizens telling their stories and um

2:17:44

and David there were people that were afraid that would back out of testifying

2:17:49

even the day of because they're still in 2023 afraid of repercussions both employment

2:17:54

and um and personal but

2:17:59

you watch you just pick a day and watch it like started in the Toronto hearings onwards we kind of got well no just any

2:18:05

of the days and you can't be the same but there were days that where the whole courtroom was

2:18:11

weeping and people online watching live were weeping and you watching a non-life you

2:18:18

will weep because you can't not just the experiences Canadians have had

2:18:24

and you'll realize just you you'll start to realize some of the consequences of

2:18:30

what we're facing like I didn't understand that we've got all these vaccine injured persons who are and like

2:18:37

these are the ones where you're weeping when you're watching and just horrific injuries

2:18:43

and yet the medical system can't acknowledge they exist because the vaccine's safe and effective

2:18:50

and so they're basically treated like lepers and they're like the themes are all the Salem mental health problems

2:18:56

you're suffering from anxiety like and they're being ignored and just the tragedy it's just

2:19:03

um it's heart-wrenching what we're doing and um so even just if

2:19:10

there was nothing else coming you know like with the kids masking we're wired to learn our language from

2:19:17

watching adults speak and each other speak we've actually like had significant IQ drops that are

2:19:24

irreversible like significant um in our young kids like we have heart

2:19:31

they will never recover and like just all the harm we've done

2:19:36

like Teenage suicides and all like it's just you can't even catalog it but you

2:19:41

start watching the NCI and you start to get a feel for just how much damage

2:19:47

we've done it's it's frightening well as you're well aware I mean obviously

2:19:52

that's our line of business is mental health and you know the sad reality of is is

2:19:58

that our business has been quite good over the past three years and that's alarming and the reason why is because

2:20:05

it's not about cents in dollars it's showing that there's something taking place in the marketplace that's increasing the demand for mental health

2:20:11

supplements and that's not good it's good that we have supplements available to help people get through it but the

2:20:16

fact of the matter is is that Society has been significantly significantly damaged

2:20:25

yeah all right well you know we're at two hours and 20 minutes

2:20:30

um thank you very much Sean for for coming on uh I just want to just re re-encapsulate you know the plan of

2:20:37

action you know go to nhppea.org get the discussion paper as

2:20:42

to what's going on with health Canada the various angles that they're coming at us from uh to remove your rights uh

2:20:49

and access to Natural Health supplements oftentimes life-saving supplements and

2:20:54

um and then yeah in the meantime as well uh as Plan B be proactive and stock up

2:21:00

on the supplements that you want to continue to have access to because we don't know what's going on over the next

2:21:07

year or two or three here in relation to supplements but it's probably sooner than later um I mean kovid showed just how fast

2:21:13

these types of things can be accelerated um and so just be you know be proactive

2:21:19

that way and um yeah I just want to say thank you again Sean for for coming on yeah go ahead and subscribe so when

2:21:25

you're at the nhppa.org website give us your email address like there's a subscribe even if you just scroll down

2:21:31

the home page it'll pop up at the bottom and that way we can alert you to campaigns and get you involved yep it's

2:21:38

good to keep aware of what's going on keep abreast of the situation um yeah so thank you thank you very much

2:21:44

Sean uh again for for taking the time to come on answering my questions giving more clarity

2:21:50

um and to all the viewers as well and um you know may we uh may we fight the battle wall yeah thanks David really

2:21:57

appreciate what you're doing so thank you blessings to you foreign

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