Guest Episode
June 18, 2023
Episode 123:
Optimal Female Hormone Balance
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Megan Bliss is a private high-level health consultant based in Utah. She works with stay-at-home moms, athletes, as well as busy professional working mamas like herself.
As an integrative medicine practitioner and board-certified family nurse practitioner, Megan brings nearly 20 years of experience in the health industry virtually to those who need it.
Megan's passion is not only helping women stuck in hormonal chaos but also helping health-conscious people take their health to the next level. She wants her clients to understand their bodies and unique individual needs better.
Today we will discuss Optimal Female Hormone Balance.
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Megan is a private high-level Health consultant based in Utah she works with
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stay-at-home mums athletes as well as very busy professional working moms like herself as an integrated medical
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practitioner and board certified family nurse practitioner Megan brings nearly 80 years of experience working in health
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industry virtually to those people who need it Megan's passion is not only helping women stuck in hormonal chaos
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but also helping health-conscious people take their health to the next level she
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wants her clients to have a deeper understanding of their bodies and its unique individual needs today on the
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show we're going to be discussing optimal female hormone balance enjoy the show hey Megan we're live hi welcome to
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the show thank you so much for being with me today how are you what is going well I am so good
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as well well life as well I mean all is well because I've been taking care of my
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health so all is well and I am just happy to be here thank you for having me wonderful well as an intro can you just
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let us know who you are and what it is that you do please yes I am a nurse
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practitioner I've been a nurse practitioner for a real decade and I initially was in Family Practice doing
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the run-of-the-mill Family Practice issues but I noticed I wasn't able to
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make the difference that I wanted to in that model and then I really started and
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where I am a uh female practitioner women tend to to gravitate towards me to
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discuss their concerns mentally physically all of that and I just was
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not given the tools to be able to adequately help them so then I started
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taking more of an integrative functional approach and coming at things from a
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more holistic perspective and really dive into women's hormones because I found that to be a critical factor for
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us cool why couldn't you make the differences and changes in people when
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you're a nurse practitioner so it's I I feel like in just a standard
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education we're we're definitely taught how to diagnose all of that and but then
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there's always a treatment protocol that consists of medications it's like okay you've got this symptom or this disease
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here's medication to take for it and it so it was for me very a very surface
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level symptomatic approach and not really getting down to the root of the
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issue and I I just feel and and I've spoken with a lot of recent graduates
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from med school and Peace School PA school all of that and they're like yeah we didn't get any hormonal training in
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school it was just if you have any issues hormonally take a birth control or take some hormones if you are past
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menopause and and that's pretty much all that we're given in traditional schooling
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so that's wild why would you not be taught about hormones when it's one of the most
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especially for women one of the most complex quite beautiful amazing systems
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that affects every single part of your being why would that not be a huge part
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of your training well I feel like this is a very multifactorial I I feel like
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so when I was in my schooling it was you know uh when did I start 2010 and it was
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when I went to grad school and the Women's Health Initiative had given the
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entire United States quite the scare on hormones and hormone replacement and all
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of that so it almost gave this uh we're not going to mess with hormones we're not going to deal with hormones they
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cause cancer essentially and so I feel like and and with any educational system
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Medic in medicine it seems to take a good 10 years for things to get into the
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educational system in order to be start to be taught and so I was very much in
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the in the post Women's Health Initiative that hormones cause cancer which there has been a lot of studies
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too debunk that and hormone balance is very very important for our overall
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total body health is there an interesting history there in regards to the the
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use of in my I remember listening to a podcast on um Dr huberman a long time
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ago but they discussed some sort of interesting history in regards to the
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use of hormone therapy like back in the 50s or 60s and it worked really well and then there
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was some sort of scare where they took it away I'm not sure do you know what I'm talking about maybe you could definitely describe it better than I
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just did yeah I'm pretty sure it's the women the women because they in in that initiative they were given synthetic
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hormones so your synthetic progesterone progestins and um synthetic estrogen
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things and and the they can they can promote cancer these synthetic versions
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however if women are treated with bioidentical hormones or they're getting
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down to the root cause of why their hormones are out of whack then it's actually very cancer protective and
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natural or bioidentical hormones can be very very protective against Cancers and
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heart disease and osteoporosis and so many mental health issues too
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and was there anything put in place when this when the cancer scale was there and
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they took that they they took the availability with these things away was it replaced with anything else
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well they didn't necessarily necessarily take anything away because really I mean our oral birth control pills are still
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there and they're not really there there's not a regulation on them even though there have been a lot of studies
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on the health disparities from from these as well so they weren't really taken away it was just basically told
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that like menopausal women or or just hormones are bad and so it didn't take
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anything away and then there really wasn't recommendation on replacing it which is one of the reasons why I really
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started diving into the more functional approach because I did I felt like there was just something out there missing and
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then compounding pharmacies have been very helpful in training practitioners on the the use of bioidentical hormones
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and natural hormones cool yeah we're going to touch on I'd love to you to talk about synthetic
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versus bioidentical but I'd love just as an intro can you tell us what are
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hormones and maybe why are so many women struggling with with hormone issues because it's it's kind of seems to be constant
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he's from before we start menstruating until way after menopause obviously so it's not
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that we only should care for them during our reproductive years or we should only care about
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replacing them after menopause there's that we we should be having good
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hormonal care throughout our entire life our we have hormone receptor sites over our entire
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body we've got them in our brain we've got them in our bone in our skin in our heart
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um and and so we need we need these hormones they are so promoting for good
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hair Health good skin health for helping with our cardiovascular system they help
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with the neurotransmitter Connection in our in our brains so I have seen a lot
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of women who are struggling mentally that if we took care of their Hormone Health
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um whether it be just getting down to the root cause of it and fixing that root cause and not necessarily supplementing with hormone replacement
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or anything like that but really getting down to the root cause of it uh that we can make such a big difference in their
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mental health their energy and and then their metabolism as well so so it's
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it doesn't matter what age you are but it can it can affect every aspect of our life
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what do you think is really important to understand about female hormone health I mean we spoke about that you know not
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it's not really taught significantly in in medical schools to Medical practitioners so I'm assuming that it's
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not really dived into in you know in a school setting for just you know for
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kids that will obviously be very good information um I don't know to the depths of that information and the hormonal system in
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schools but like what do you think would be good for like everyone to understand and not just women because I think I
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think it's very important as a husband that I should be I I should be um knowledgeable as well so what do you
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think is important to understand about female hormone health and um what's maybe missing in like that that
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fundamental like school education I I would say and I fully believe that
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even our young teenagers need to have good hormone
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health education because we expose ourselves to toxic elements on a daily
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basis repetitively and so so many of these things can affect our Hormone
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Health and Studies have shown that they are that a lot of things can have a significant amount of what is called
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endocrine disruptors and endocrine disruptors are are any external factor a
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chemical that that can disrupt that endocrine system which the endocrine system is our hormonal system in our
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body and many of these endocrine disruptors come from our personal care
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products our shampoos our soaps our menstrual care products can be a huge
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factor in it and lotions are the fragrances in our home all of these
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things affect our hormones and and every time I see so many women going to a
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candle up and they're like loading up on all these uh fragrance laced uh candles
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and all of that I'm like oh I wonder how her hormones are and and then the downstream effect of that is oh I wonder
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how her moods are and how her sleep is and all of that because it can it
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affects all of that and are you talking about like those xenoestrogens that mimic the um the
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function of our own endogenous hormones and how that's damaging and I just thought about so I'm aware of that but
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it's like so we obviously have um receptor sites for these hormones and these hormones the Xeno
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xenoestrogens coming in and acting as our own our own hormones why is that why
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is that dangerous are they not just doing the job that our hormones should be doing is there what's the problem with that
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[Music] puzzle piece see it and think about if you're doing this big old puzzle on your
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table and if if a piece doesn't fit correctly it's not like the whole puzzle
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isn't gonna work and so I kind of the way I think about it is these these
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chemicals or these synthetic hormones are coming in and sure they might like get this part of that receptor site but
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they're not getting the whole receptor site it's not fitting in there perfectly and it's not allowing the communication
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of the rest of the chemicals in our body to to really do what they need to do
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interesting and if that xenoestrogen is replacing um that receptor site and then the
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hormone that's supposed to be there that's to say estrogen for example is not getting there does the body recognize that that estrogen is not
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being used and down regulates production does that happen sometimes that can happen sometimes some people it does
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down regulate or some people it's still cranking it out and then you're not able to detoxify you're not able to get that
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out and then look kind of something that I think about in those in that aspect is
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is if you've got too much of it and it's in your body it's kind of fermenting it's not fermenting but that's the
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that's the visualization I like to give myself it kind of ferments in there and can get cut toxic and cause a lot of
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issues like really heavy periods or um anxiety depression stuff like that
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and is that much different from the synthetic hormones and the bioidentical like the the it's similar yeah similar
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similar aspects there whether we get it from the synthetic hormones or those xenoestrogens it can it can get in there
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and then another thing that it does I don't think a lot of women are aware of is is if another visualization here I
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think about a parking lot going into a parking lot and there's very limited parking spaces and if we have too much
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estrogen or these synthetic estrogens floating around sometimes they will go in and steal a parking spot that they
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weren't supposed to go into like our thyroid receptor sites so that's one of
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the ways that having too much estrogen or these synthetic estrogens or these xenoestrogens can affect our metabolism
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and our energy too yeah it's interesting in how frequently and so so often we use
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synthetic chemicals in a very organic body that has very very deliberate
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combinations with and we're talking about like receptors and hormones it's like a a key and a lock and it's a very
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very specific key and you can you can mimic it to 99 but it's not it's not 100
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right so it's interesting that we are you know we're kind of bound in a synthetic medical model where we're not
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you know using our own endogenous production and that putting our body in a position to you know re revamp because
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it knows how to make these things it knows what to do so yeah it's just an interesting and interesting conversation piece in
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regards to the con the further toxification I suppose of ourselves
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yes yep yep and I do I prefer to look at hormone from um I consider a I was taught at PTSD so
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you're looking at the production of the hormones okay what's going on with the production of the hormones why aren't they producing accurately all of that
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and then you're looking at the transfer getting from point A to point B and there's so many mechanisms that are
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necessary there whether it's certain nutrients or whatever and then you're looking at that receptor site at that
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cell receptor site it needs the right I I kind of think of it like a passcode you know it's got it like a safe it's
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got to have the right passcode in order to actually get in the cell and do what it needs to do and then the destruction
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so that's kind of the PTSD of of how I like to look at hormones so it's not
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just oh you're low here supplement there's so much more that goes into it
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well there's a a common hormonal imbalance look like
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so I feel that it's
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necessarily really notice sure our periods being irregular is is it very
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um obvious sign but it can start earlier than that I can start with irritability
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mood changes some depression that type thing lower energy and I mean
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we do have these fluctuations in our Cycles if we're if we're menstruating but but when they're severe when they're
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severe and noticing these big fluctuations in energy and mood that's a big big red flag skin issues can be a
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big sign so obviously the acne but then dry skin can be a big sign of hormonal issues yes thyroid and our sex hormones
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too so it and and then there's the obvious ones like I said our periods
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being out of whack but then hair loss and I call them our billboard symptoms
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so hair loss skin issues and uh our weight weight management can be skewed
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is there are there other conditions that our that are diagnosed when it's actually more than likely a hormonal
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issue because the the what you've what you've described there like a bunch of different symptoms could be so many
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different things literally depending on the physician that you're seeing and how frequently they see something or what
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they go to so it's sounds complex so they're like some more like common things that get that get misdiagnosed
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yeah I mean if you look up
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criteria to be and those symptoms those same symptoms can be a hormonal imbalance
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um and and anxiety same same thing uh eczema can be diagnosed when it's more
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if we if we treat it or took care of the hormonal imbalance it actually can help
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with the histamine response with eczema so because estrogen and histamine
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response are very very intertwined as well um so yeah our mental health issues can
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be a a big thing that is often overlooked ADHD symptoms inattentiveness
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can be over hormonal imbalances can be overlooked for those diagnoses as well
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wow yeah it sounds messy it can be yeah and
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how do you I mean you can go and get testing done in regards to testing your
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hormones how accurate is that are the right tests that we should do
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um I presume depending on where you are in your cycle that would be different as
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well like what are you testing for like oh my gosh it's so complex I'm just so lucky you're my guy and it's like pretty
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straightforward so you know about men can start going through andropause which
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is okay now version of andropause as early as 35 so so men men have issue but
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they don't have the big fluctuations like us women have you guys aren't exposed to birth control like many women
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are so there's an in pregnancies and all of that so there's not those big fluctuations like women experience but
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it matters for men too but in regards to testing uh and it very it depends on
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what that practitioner has been trained in I prefer either salivary testing or
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urinary testing because then you're looking at the hormone that is Unbound
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from a carrier protein so when you're looking at serum hormone levels you're
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you're seeing results that are bound to a carrier protein so it's not actually
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what's available for use at the receptor site and for me and and my processes
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that's what I want to see I want to see what's available for use at the receptor sites and then yes timing of the testing
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is a big big critical factor in there and there's a difference in those levels
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whether they're in that follicular phase which is the first part of the menstrual
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cycle or the luteal phase in the last part of the menstrual cycle so there's differences there and different
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situations depend on the testing too whether we're looking for fertility struggles or we're looking looking for
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just general hormone imbalances and then also women who have had a hysterectomy but they haven't had an oophorectomy
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where they haven't had their ovaries taken out they still have cycling so we still I still like to have very precise
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testing with those individuals as well and he are you looking at a broad amount
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of hormones are you primarily looking at specific ones
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internal glands because and looking at the cortisol levels because that so intertwines with our hormonal processes
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our sex hormone processes but then I like to look at all of the estrogens because there are several different
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estrogen types progesterone DHEA testosterone and then looking at those
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binding hormone the like sex hormone binding globulin that type of thing can be very very important to figure out
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where the Kinks are as well when you when you're speaking with someone who who does have hormonal
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imbalances and you know you've got the symptomology you've even got the test results what conversations you have
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around like lifestyle factors like what are the big ones it's it's pretty much
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the foundation of it all and
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traditional five which is going to be your stress managing your stress and and I know
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that's easier said than done when you feel terrible but having good coping mechanisms for stress are stressful
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lives is very important our sleep is very important and there's so many studies that show that our hormones can
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maintain a much better balance when we have adequate restful sleep and that's the key word there is restful sleep
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because uh when when we don't get that good restful sleep we can sleep for 10
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to 12 hours and still not getting that good restful sleep that's necessary then obviously our nutrition plays a big role
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our our highly processed foods and sugars and all of that can make a big
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difference in our hormonal balance movement makes a big difference you don't want to do too much those women
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that I work with that are like cardio queens that want to go crazy on their
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spin sessions or their cardio sessions sometimes I have to have them rein it in
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a little bit and do more strength training or something like that but we definitely customize in there
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um but then our relationships also play a huge role in the quality of relationships and just that connection
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that human connection is very important as well yeah those foundational aspects
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certainly could support kind of everybody when you used to like sit down and take a look at yeah sleep stress levels exercise food nutrition Etc and
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yeah it's interesting that I I know at least a couple of people who were those cardio queens or who are also trying to
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get pregnant at the same time and just couldn't do it for years and then they just like stopped being insane in the
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gym doing like you know five hours five days a week for like an hour hardcore session like what would the what how
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does the body trance like that at like I'm constantly running away from like predators and then they stopped doing
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that they chill out a bit they relax they go on holiday and then they get Knocked Up and it's just like boom like right away you know it's it's funny but
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it happens because it's you know why would why would the body put yourself in a position to become pregnant when it
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believes it to be complete to be under stress all the time well that yeah that's the thing if we're running for from a tiger we don't want to be making
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baby hair so so a lot of those women are their hair's falling out they I can't
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get pregnant and we don't we don't need those things if we're running away from danger and and sometimes that danger
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when it comes to those cardio Queens is is a cultural stigma or a cultural kind
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of indoctrination that we need to go more cardio to lose fat and all of that
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when that's not should not be where we're at in in this day and age yeah I
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still think the psychology of weight loss and Weight Watchers and all of that is still like so unbelievably prevalent
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I mean you see the front pages of most like magazines and 28 pounds in 28 days
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and I'm like ah and it's like well even if you did have that was that enough like can you ever be slim enough can you
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ever be thin enough and it's just like it's so funny how we not it's not funny at all but it's so disturbing that um
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even after what 50 60 years of this that it's still deeply ingrained in the psychology especially within especially
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within women it's it's really it's really actually quite fascinating it is and
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arguing with you know and we're in a big old group chat and everything for those that work with me in group setting and
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they're like I just felt like I needed more cardio so that's what I'm doing and I'm like how about you go for a walk or work on
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some flexibility or Mobility or something like that when you feel like you need more cardio or something so
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yeah it's a sad phenomenon yeah the Deep psyche of uh you know what maybe other
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people have or not feeling enough and you know my wife for example is honestly the most beautiful woman on the planet
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but she's still you know she still has those insecurities that we all do and I
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feel I feel just like for women it's just like Amplified by a million in regards to that and it's and it's just
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super super stressful and it's probably constant as well yeah and I do I do feel like there is almost this
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um innate push towards things because think about back in like medieval times it was
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actually more desirable to be plump and pale which meant that you had adequate food and you had shelter whereas now we
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have food fast food on every corner and we're not getting outside in the fresh
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air nature vitamin D enough and so I feel like it's almost like this weird
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shift that is pushing us towards being healthy but some of us take it a little
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bit overboard yeah and again like back to like school and education which is obviously where
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so much of this needs to be embedded and implanted and supported and put into a position where people can ask
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really good questions yeah it just seems like we're not we're just clearly not doing doing enough in with our with our
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children with our teenagers you can just look at the rates of uh depression anxiety and you know
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physical stuff as well like it's just like it's quite unbelievable like what would you if you know you you're a nurse
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practitioner you have got a lot of experience with hormones do you go into school settings and do you teach
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teenagers do you have teenagers coming to the clinic I I
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come into me but I have educated youth groups locally on um on the importance of hormones
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primarily the girls because that's mostly what I work with so so yeah I
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take it to these groups and maybe maybe someday I will reach out my daughter my
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oldest is 12 years old so I need to be advocating in in the schools more more
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often yeah do you think parents can do a better job with understanding and answering questions and being open to
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that like that's probably like a maybe an awkward question an awkward conversation for some parents but my
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gosh like the it's so complicated and so complex and even from even from Young ages I'm sure we can do a lot of parents
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with diet when it comes to diet and exposure to different things when it comes to hormonal Health obviously we
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have hormones from birth and probably pre definitely pre-birth um and uh there's things that we can be
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doing without question within the home yeah and that's when I when I worked with a like a mom that has young kids
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she often will tell me oh I can take this and apply it just in life and and
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really it's I I try to tell all the women that I work with yes nutrition matters but we don't want to shift over
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into that diet culture uh mindset and so I urge them when they are making meals
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that you only make one meal and you explain to your family no this isn't about weight loss or a diet or anything
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like that I am eating this way because it actually benefits my hormones like an increase in cruciferous vegetables or
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broccoli's cauliflowers that actually helps us metabolize our estrogen more effectively so it doesn't sit in there
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and ferment like I said um so that's a very very important thing so really having those that conversation
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and I have it with my girls I'm a mom of three girls and we we talk about okay I'm eating this because it helps with
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this like my vegetables we kind of talk about the different vitamins and nutrients that are in each vegetable I'm
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eating this protein because that actually helps me make adequate neurotransmitters so that they can flow
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correctly so that my moods can be better so so yeah it's really good to have a conversation and and not be oh I'm on a
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diet I'm on a hormone diet even even that is I think very damaging but just talking about why specific nutrients are
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necessary for health instead of instead of restricting that's a really good Insight in regards
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to the nutrition element of it all and yeah so you're a mother of three girls
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and you're a hormone specialist that's kind of prime that's great I I maybe was like um I'm gonna have a
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house full of lots of hormones fluctuating so I better I better take
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charge and like get ahead of the game yeah I bet your Costco broccoli Bill's pretty high well if we lived near Costco
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it would be but we're a little far from Costco so Walmart is what it's gonna be
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well that'll do that's okay yeah um just thinking about the fact that so
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many medical professionals are uneducated when it comes to hormones where would you recommend women go who
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think that they've got like hormonal issues um obviously we spoke about the
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different symptoms that might come along they might be quite subtle to begin with and maybe build up and build up but they could also fall under the bracket of you
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know psychological disorders as well so they might be um thinking elsewhere but if somebody
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who's got some symptoms they believe it to be a hormonal thing and they want to check it out anyway
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and they're going to their doctor like are they gonna get like and they're gonna get like pushed away
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they're gonna say oh you're fine you you know you're you're 25 you're healthy it's no problem like what there must be
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a difficult thing for um anybody to go where do they go and ask for support and ask for questions
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where they're actually going to be listened to and it's not common that doctors like being kind of like told
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like what the diagnosis is or what actually What patients want like patients being advocates for their own
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health is not like something that most doctors really like yeah yeah and that be such a difficult thing and I think
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this and I and I've tried thinking back to when I initially got out of schooling and all of that when I started and I do
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remember specific conversation from a family practice Mentor that because when
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you get out of school there's still so much information and you don't really know how to apply it and all of that so that's what you're doing in your
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mentorships residencies all of that and I remember a specific Mentor saying if she's having regular Cycles it's not a
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hormone issue she meets criteria for and and for depression so antidepressant
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medication I remember distinctly and hearing that and it's not necessarily that I was taught that in school but I
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do feel like these um phrases if if you're regular menstruating you don't
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need you don't need uh hormonal problems or if your periods are irregular get on
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birth control to balance the hormones or quotes there um that that will balance so hormones I
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I just kind of feel like this is passed down and and and then I do feel like
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there are so many very well-meaning providers out there but like I said it's just not taught so they don't know where
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to go so I have made it a big mission of mine to reach out to be like to family
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practice and be like hey I'm here I I will help I will I know that hormones can be a difficult thing I'm here to
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help with all with any hormonal so I do have a lot of referrals that come from primary care and OB gyns even because
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and a local OB GYN that we have um she gets asked all the time on hey
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what about my hormones and and really a lot of OB gyns their primary focus is reproductive you know and like baby care
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and post pregnancy you know that type of thing and they they really don't have the time or the capacity to be able to
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research or take care of more Specialties which you would think OB GYN hormone like reproductive care that that
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would be a good fit for them but really they have a lot that they've got to deal with too
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um but then I also because I I am here in Utah I I collaborate with uh with
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primary care providers all over to help them help their people and and and and I
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also teach the clients that I work with that how to communicate with your provider so that you're able to advocate
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for yourself without uh the provider putting up brick walls and being like
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hey don't tell me what to do you know because that that can be a an issue and sometimes it is that just a
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communication tweak that can really help people but so I that's one thing I made it my mission to be able to help women
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anywhere and so the testing I do can it can ship internationally and I my
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processes and protocols can be done no matter where women live because I guess I live very rurally and so
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um it's not a convenient thing for women to come visit me but I do everything virtually and all of that so and I do
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have a hormone symptom checklist at check hormones.com um that can help women navigate on if
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it's worth it to even start diving down the hormone room well that's really cool and that sounds
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like a much more unique specific methodology to helping
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out every helping out people because we are so wonderfully unique right and you're never going to have really the same two cases and
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it's obviously important to have us to have a standard level of care but like if you you use the example of you know
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if somebody's got depressive symptoms and the Cycle's normal then you would go to antidepressants like that's just not
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taking into consideration the individual and it's really in my opinion really really lazy medicine but that's kind of
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all we've got at the moment yeah either that provider is just so backed up because there in the 15-minute model you
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know where it's like each appointment is 15 minutes long and they have to basically conquer that person's World in
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15 minutes which is virtually impossible to get that handled so it is very
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complex and each individual is very it is very important to personalize it and everybody's not just a standard protocol
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I have we always had this female Health hormone imbalance would
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you call it a crisis um yeah I I would because I do feel like it it destroys even families it can
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destroy families based on moods and um energy you know productivity all of that I do feel like it's a it's a crisis
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I I feel like it is increasing in prevalence just because of our
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um environment our exposure to products that we slather on our skin every day
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which you wouldn't think that that would would affect internally but oh my gosh
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your skin just soaks up so much and so if you don't feel comfortable drinking your products you probably shouldn't be
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slathering it but that exposure and then synthetic hormone exposure plays a big
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role and then a lumen our we've got a lot our plates like we were supposed to be juggling careers family home like
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we've got a lot that we're juggling and so it's I do feel like that we're in
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this recipe for for a lot of hormonal issues however I do believe that women
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have struggled hormonally for uh since we were you know I mean there
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were fertility issues in the Bible and all you know all of that so I do feel like women have struggled hormonally
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since creation but they it is increasing in prevalence now
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interesting interesting well thank you so much I learned a lot Megan
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really really appreciate it um can you let people know let us know where we can connect with you and learn more yeah
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okay um on social media which I do feel like that's a great place to be able to learn and be inspired and and find out
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new things so I'm super grateful for social media yes you can get a lot of crappy uh advice from social media but
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then there's like my mission is to flood it with good so that's that's what I'm doing so I'm on Tick Tock Instagram
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Facebook all of those are going to be Megan Bliss NP and also starting ramp
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ramping up on LinkedIn and Twitter and YouTube so all of those are Megan Bliss NP and then my website is just
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meganbliss.com wonderful well I'll make sure that every single one of those is accessible to our
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audience so they can connect with you and learn more but again thank you so much Megan it's such a complex wonderful
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um issue very important that we uh create content to open up the discussion
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about these and get these perspectives so thank you so much for coming on
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