Okay. Good morning, Dr. Jessica. Welcome to True Hope cast

I really appreciate your time today. How are you? What is

going well?

Hello, I am well.

I hear and what is going well is that I am breathing like

I'm just so happy to be

here and I think that it takes getting to a

place of maturity and understanding that

whatever is going on is going on, but

the fact that you are here in present that is

a gift so I'm doing well.

Beautifully said well, I appreciate that it for

that instance then I'm also doing really well. That's great.

And just as an intro, why don't you let us know who you are

and what it is that you do, please so yes, so I I

wear many hats first and foremost. I

am a wife and a mom. I'm also

a professor of social work and then

I do personal development and professional development

training and so I've been

training for a little

over 10 years now. I'm a personal and executive

coach and so I just love to help

make the world a better place and also

continually improve myself. And so

when I got about five years into this journey, I

begin to also help others who

are interested in coaching speaking and

writing books. I started helping them

to do the same thing that I am doing. And so

that's the other component of my business. So

one one piece is personal and professional

development for

Companies colleges nonprofit organizations and

then the other component is working with those coaches

authors and speakers who desire to

also do what I'm doing which is to pretty much

get their message out there to the world. Wonderful. Well,

I'd love could you introduce the idea of personal

and professional development, you know, is it

for everyone is there like, you know, do you

go to do you go to school to study that

is it like an evolving, you know kind of an evolving

science. I suppose like and can we

all benefit from it? So absolutely and I actually went

to school for social work. So I have a bachelor's

degree and a master's degree in social work

and it's called the helping profession. And basically

we help children. We help families you

could work with the elderly population. It's always about helping

people to really get

to a place where they are no longer

in need of support.

From the government maybe helping them to pay their bills. Sometimes they're

struggling with depression or suicidal thoughts

and that type of thing. So that was basically my profession.

But what I

realized was that even though you might go

to school for something you also tend to

have gifts and skills that you're not aware of

or if you are you don't realize that they're transferable

and so for me personal and

professional development really stemmed from

my interest in learning and teaching and so

I just started reading a lot of personal development books reading

professional development books going the conferences.

And so that self-education is

really what catapulted me

into speaking training coaching

writing my book and after writing

my book it turned into a business. Wonderful. Yeah,

I think the idea of personal development when you just think about that

word and you think

About what who we are as humans and you know, we're born

with children and then we go to young adults and then

we turn into adults like we're obviously know developing on

a personal level, you know, as we like learn new skills and

we learn languages learn language and we

learn how to kind of be in our like social

groups, you know solves obviously all part of the person development and

even when we come to you know adults were,

you know, a lot of people or you know,

we believe that maybe we have completed our development as

a person but obviously there's so much beyond that like

in regards to like what you can do, you know

within your profession or even completely changing your profession in

regards to like how you want to develop as an individual and you

can certainly do that, you know physically if you

wanted to like improve your body or you know, make changes and then

psychologically, you know, as you as we get adult heard

and we will have to deal with things like anxieties and depressions

and mental health issues and just some of the like the normalities

that come with just like being alive.

So it seems so vital to

literally everybody that the

idea of developing as a person

as a as a partner as an employee as a

you know, whatever we will least hats that we wear. It's very

important that we take some like self-responsibility in regards

to develop ourselves to improve what we

can contribute as one

of those types of individuals. What do you think about that? Yeah, absolutely

and I truly do believe that

when you continue to

develop yourself. You become more

marketable like as even if you

you think about relationships, right like you want

to be in relationship with someone who is into

becoming a better version of their themselves. They're

not just always me me me

me, you know, they are thinking about us and they're thinking about

helping others and they're thinking about serving and

so when you're working on yourself,

You really do look like somebody that

people want to connect with they want to work with

they want to hire you if you are out there looking to

change careers and if they see that hey this

person is is going above

and beyond and that's I believe one of the differences

between those who continually improve

and develop themselves. And those who just do

the bare minimum. I there's a noticeable difference in

your output.

In your performance and your productivity and so I

believe that it shouldn't be

like, oh I got to go to another conference. Oh, I

got a higher coach. It should be like I get to go to a conference

I get to hire a coach. I want to be better.

Do you think that's about perspective or is that

about you know, not maybe seeing the benefits

of those types of things to help yourself.

I know I think there's certainly a lot of

that obviously everyone experiences.

Ego it's there. It's all the time, you know

and a lot of people like subconsciously have that kind of going on for them

where they feel that they don't need to.

Get support don't need to get help don't need

to develop. So where do you think people get

in the in their own way when it comes

to, you know asking for help to push themselves forward.

I believe in especially in in my my

culture and my upbringing it's almost

as though you're not strong. You're

not a strong person if you

have to ask for help or if you

just say I don't know or can someone help me

with it's with this but what I've discovered is

that it's actually a sign of strength when

you're able to say you know, what

this is too much for me. I know so many

people who struggle I was one. I I suffered

in silence for many years

struggling with depression. I was

around my family and my friends and my coworkers. No

one knew what I was dealing with, but I

would cry in the car. I would cry on my way to work on my way

home from work whenever I got a chance to be

alone. I was just sad and

I didn't want anyone to know because first of all they thought

I had it all together.

And second of all I didn't want them to

know that I was struggling but it really wasn't until

I spoke up that I was able to get

the support that I needed that

I deserved.

Do you think that if you're not?

taking steps to develop yourself, and obviously that

can look so different for so many different people in so many

different areas of your life, but

Do you think if we're not?

Engaged in that process that we're we're stagnant

or even like, you know regressing and

declining and kind of like the dissenting into

you know, I don't know a non-developed person

and we're actually losing the skills. We may have

attained If you experience that

for me

it's poverty. So I grew up in lack. We did not have enough

and so I vowed that

I will not allow that to happen. And so

for me, it was always I gotta make good grades. I

gotta go to college. I gotta get these degrees. I've got

a work a couple of jobs. Like I was always just

trying to go above and beyond so

that I could get to a place where I would cruise but let

me tell you something. I'm still not cruising.

No one's cruising.

Yeah, and we were talking about.

It I said I cannot stay here. I said I know that

I'm blessed. I recognize that I have

a beautiful life a wonderful life, but I still

do not want to stay here. I want to continue to

grow I want to continue to get better. And so

I believe that it does motivate you

when you have that desire. You've got to have

that desire to want more because then like what what

are you here for? If you're you're just gonna want want

just said, oh, what

was me like everyone has

Problems challenges opposition, but

it's it's what you do with it. And so

for me I say make me stronger give me

the capability help me to solve the problem. That's

my point of view. Yeah, I think the web

motivation in there is huge like you you describing that you

you grew up with, you know, you grow up in poverty. So you had

that lack of but that that was clearly like a strong motivation

for you without question your own personality

and your own characteristics saw that

as like an opportunity to you know, to to thrive and

develop and I was very fortunate to

not not live in poverty, but I had very

strong like Role Models within my family that would like,

you know, push us and especially when I elder

brother, for example, like he really wanted to go out there and like make it do

his own business. So I had him as a role model like every day

and that was type of like my motivation but like

so many people like have like these potential motivators

in and around them but like it can be so difficult.

we see them when we are, you know,

when we when we you know you can have

Not much going on for you. When

you're young and you your impoverished and you don't have a lot going

on. You can also have kind of everything as well and that can actually like

completely saturate your ability to be self-sufficient and

take responsibility in your life. So like there's obviously and

also benefits but like you can see there's very

affluent individuals that have no motivation in life and but

there are impoverished individuals also as well.

So it's like it's really seems to be like really delicate about the

circumstances of somebody and their own personal and like

characteristics and their own personality which

is obviously involved from you know, there's a genetic

standpoint to that but also like the people around you so

I want to ask you about about that like how important you

think it is to have kind of the right people around you

to motivate you so I think about some of the friend groups I

had in school which certainly didn't motivate me or push me

forward or challenge me. They actually kept me stuck in

the particular. I want to say like lazy personality and

when I kind of like broke through those

friend groups and found other people that

Did want to like challenge themselves personally. I

was able to just like take to a Next Level and recognize what

I could actually do. Yeah, I I love that

and I also want to say too. It's wonderful

that you still had a motivator you're

saying. Hey, I did not grow up in poverty. But the truth is

some people if they don't have that motivator,

they're just like, okay. I'm content with what

I have but you still took that and

said, I'm still gonna be better. I'm still gonna improve. I'm still

gonna pursue more. So that is wonderful. And

as it relates to the company,

you keep the environment the people you

hang out with it's so important. I I

can remember and in the way that

I grew up again. There were individuals

who were in the same situation and

they didn't make anything of themselves. And then

there were people whose parents gave them everything and

they didn't make anything of themselves. Like they're still

being taken care of by their parents to this day. And so

I do believe that there has

to be this in it desire.

To be better, but you also have to choose

who you allow in your ear. So sometimes you're

maybe you're in a household with negative people. You

can't say, okay, I'm gonna move out if that's

just not a possibility for you, but you

could also decide that you're not going to allow them

to impress their beliefs upon

you you're not going to allow them

to impress their behaviors and negative attitudes

upon you and so I do

believe that it's important that you surround yourself with like-minded

people. That's why I'm a masterminds I go

to conferences. I I connect with people who also want

to

Get further in life who also have huge goals

just like I do but I also understand that I

have family members who are still stagnant and

I can't just drop them. Like I can't

just say I'm sorry, you're not good enough. So I still engage

with them I interact with

them, but I understand that.

I can't force them to change like they

have to be ready to change and there

was a time when I would feel really bad about

me making it to a

certain place in life and they hadn't

made it and they had no intentions of making it and

I felt like well, what can

I do? And I realize I was just draining myself.

So you also have to be careful too about

putting your health at

harm at risk because you're trying to pull

someone up who's just not ready to be be pulled

up. They're not ready to change. Do you thinking that

example setting an example for yourself is kind

of the best way to go because you know, you can't you can't

change somebody that wants to be changed right? Yes, Absol.

Absolutely, absolutely.

yeah, I I think about the

you're talking about like you personally had these no.

These motivators to change and get and

you have people you know who had the same circumstances that that

kind of didn't and I just wondered like

how vital it is that the even from such a young

age that the the people around you, you know, primarily your parents

and your siblings and then maybe at school as well.

So many people are in unfortunate. So

have unfortunate groups of people around

them that are influencing them in a way where

they're unable to see potential unable to see opportunity unable

to grasp motivation from

like very simple things. And yeah. Yeah.

I have a lot of empathy for that because if you

if you're

physical reality that you experience shows no

potential opportunity anywhere you can't

Fathom the idea or create the idea in your mind if

you're current reality is at a certain certain point.

so I kind of understand for a

lot of people who may be in different who may be in like similar situations, but

even just having like that that one friend or that

one family member or that like one speech or

something that you might

listen to that like changes the way you think a little bit to

make you stop thinking about the idea of like something different

something maybe you know better and I

think about that for a lot of adults that like go through maybe like

they're 20s and even a lot of their thirties like the same person

as they are like when they're like 17 18 19 and

don't really do a lot of development. I was certainly probably

one of those like, I didn't really I don't think I really grew up

into an adult until I was 30 and but it

took listening and reading to different

things that made it started to make me think and

feel in very very different ways. And it's

it's unfortunate. So many people don't have

access to that type of different thought different

feeling and different Behavior.

Yeah, and I think too.

It goes back to you've got

to get to a point where you are uncomfortable like you

are uncomfortable.

Living in the same environment the

same situation having the same thoughts of

doubting myself. I'm not good enough. I'm not

pretty enough. I don't have enough opportunities. It's all about

really changing your mindset and

how you view yourself how you see yourself.

One of the things one of my pastor

said to me years ago, and he said nobody

has everything but everybody

has something

And that has stuck with

me because sometimes we look at other people

and we say, oh, he's got it. She's got it but

I don't have it. And the truth is you do you just

have to find it? You have to allow yourself

to unleash it and maybe that is

watching YouTube videos. Maybe that is reading books.

Maybe that is trying to figure out why was

I placed here on this Earth? What is my purpose? What

do I love? What do I enjoy and then

begin to refine those skills and tap into

that and that's really where you'll

begin to see that

okay. I don't have to stay here.

Yeah, I think right now in regards

to the internet and all these courses and individuals like

yourself and podcasts, you know got so many so

many amazing people.

On the air on the video providing information

to people, you know, we're in such

a remarkable time for that and I don't think

that's by accident. I think that specially young people are absolutely

craving advice. They're

craving responsibility. They're craving Duty that

they don't.

Subconsciously want or need the kind of

like social media like non-existence that is kind

of being forced Upon Us in a very weird.

Cultural Evolution type of situation like I don't

think that that's something that thrives the thrives humans.

And yeah, the reason we've got all these amazing people available. Now

we've got these different platforms to do is because people are absolutely like

craving this type of information and

like

30 second two minute videos are like gone people are happy

to sit and listen to you know, Joe Rogan

talk for three hours of some cool scientists about stuff, you

know, like I would never have thought any million years that I

would sit and listen to two people talk for

three hours on anything let alone like some of these like wild

topics but people are craving conversation. They

are craving connection and ultimately I think young people

want to be told that

they have potential they want

to be listened to and they want responsibility. They want to

have something for themselves and recognize

that and you know, if they're they're told

that they're that you know, there are things in the world that are going

to stop them from having their potential. So they're kind of like done

from the get-go and they should just, you know live their life.

I think that there's a lot of

Lot of meaning behind giving those kids responsibility

and they're just craving it. They are.

what in regards to like school and education obviously,

you've been in education system right like with your own personal studies,

but like

The young this let's talk about like younger kids and like that development piece.

Do you think they're like some things really missing

within education during school

when it comes to development because obviously you're

there to learn you're there to like improve your knowledge of

things and your interactions and becoming social

and those like School circles, but like you think there's some

key things maybe like missing that we could be offering

our children. Oh guys, so

I I it's so interesting that

you ask this question because I'm having this

conversation all the time. I'm also

a certified School social worker.

So have a worked in the field of Education

as a school social worker and then

I have a daughter who is a 10 and

And some of the things that she's working on and I'm like,

you're not gonna need this at work.

I wish they would teach you all something in addition to this

like I'm like

you need to know how to count money and pay your bills and

you know that kind of thing, but I do believe that we've

got a

really start teaching our kids about

emotional intelligence about

self-awareness and

just learning how to manage themselves.

That's one of the

things that I teach on is self-management and I believe

that a lot of times we are looking outside

of ourselves. We're looking at what someone

is doing or what they are not doing or maybe they're

not doing enough and

the truth is

We have to manage ourselves like we

can give advice you can give tips. But but how

do you handle offense and I

know here in the United States we have

kids who are you know fighting in school, they're

getting in trouble. They're getting kicked out and it's

like what if

As soon as they enter school, we started to

teach them personal development. What if we

started teaching them the skills social skills. How

do you communicate with your peers? How

do you handle a conflict without being

violent? I believe like if we were able to

teach those types of things we would definitely

have a better culture when

it comes to to our schools.

yeah, just as you say that it just makes me think that the way

this is the way Educational Systems and I've got some empathy for

it because it's very underfunded across the planet in

regards to like, I don't know how you could even

possibly think about trying to

Cultivate an education plan to to

50 individuals in a classroom like

it's just not even possible. Right and I've got I've got a one and

a three year old and I'm actually kind of petrified the idea of sending them

to like school school.

Because yeah, as you say like this, I feel like

that they're still teaching in the same things. They taught them a hundred years ago. And

it's just like, I don't know. I'm not sure about that and it's just like

it sounds just like

More structured daycare. But anyway, I

won't get up. I won't kind of hot. I won't really get into that yet.

It's just such an interesting piece that

I think that what is what is taught and

the environment you're talking about? Like, you know, there's some so much so

much violence and like lack of social understanding and

community and that emotional intelligence piece. It just

makes me feel like they're just

breeding and cultivating stressed brains

where they're unable to regulate their

emotions in the inevitable situation when

they're adults that they're going to come with come into conflict

with family members with good friends with strangers

with colleagues, you know become so many interactions

during their lives, but if they're nervous system is

programmed to jump straight into a fight

or flight shout fight run away,

whatever that's just how you know,

they're going to deal with most situations within their lives rather

than being able to

Have the nervous system literal like structure within their

brain to be able to like take that second to

respond rather than to react to

situations. Like I mean, that's how you know a brain

obviously with neurons and neuro circuitry.

Like we have these Pathways in which we

we subconsciously utilize and if we're just teaching these

kids to just let immediately go to reaction reaction

reaction just do so much of a disservice in

regards to like how they're going to interact.

In like the real world when they're

young adults and their adults and yeah, we I mean the

evidence is out there. It's wild in regards to like how poorly

16 17 18 year olds communicate with

other human beings, you know, they we have to do it through devices now

because we so relaxing so much in regards to that

skill.

So like where I mean, this is a big question below. Where

would you begin to?

And change change the education system

or change.

Classes or teachers like no, there's so many things we

could probably just scrap totally from the seat from the

curriculum. But what do you add in there and like

how do you do it? Because it comes to like the the curriculum needs

to be right getting the teachers on Board needs to be right and like

it's such a big thing it is and it

For me, I believe we've got to start by integrating

parents and teachers

into the planning process. So what I've

seen is that the people making the decisions

are not in the classroom and many

times their children are adults. So it's like you

are making decisions like well, will

you allow

parents and teachers to really

decide have more they don't

really have a lot of authority over what they teach and I

talk to teachers all the time and they're like, I would love to teach this

but my school district has told me like I

have to teach this this day and this so I

don't have any room.

To teach them social skills and we

have testing and if they don't pass the test,

then it's a reflection of me. And so I think if we

could really allow more insight

and input from the community from the

people who are actually doing the work. Well definitely

begin to see a better educational system.

I mean, there's so much distance between the people who actually create these curriculums and

then the the teachers that teacher and

the students that receive it.

So yeah it I mean and if you're

a teacher and you've got the structure you've you've already got what

you have to teach them. How are you supposed to

adapt and become fluid within a classroom setting that's

so unbelievably dynamic.

to

to change or maybe style in your approach to

the individuals in your classroom. I mean, it's impossible job

to begin with but when you have that that those types of

Shackles regards to teachers, you

know like ice. No I went to school in the

In the 90s and I had like some I would

call like boring teachers that just like

went straight to it. But then we had like these just like crazy wacky individuals

that would

Do the most absurd things in you know, the classroom, I'll

take us out of the classroom and like, you know, you know sitting down

for eight hours a day is not super fun. Anyway, so like they've got

to be able to use creativity and Imagination. And

if you if the teachers can't

use that those types of skills how a students

ever supposed to like mirror

that and start using that as well. Yeah, and it's

so weird that you said that because my daughter

she talks to me about what's going on in school

and she's like, we have a silent launch and I'm

like a silent lunch. That's the only time you're allowed to

talk and you can't talk during lunch. She's like no.

I don't get it

like these are kids. So yes, I mean, there's

definitely much work to be

done as far as giving our kids an outlet and

not just feeling like they're being imprisoned all

day long, but actually let them enjoy learning. Yeah,

so she's so many changes that we could make in regards

to support just just supporting kids are giving

them some skills to you know, using their own.

Wonderful ways because kids, you know obviously do so do amazing

things and you give them the space in the room and the

creativity to do to do it. So yeah, it's it's

certainly I think it's a it's a massive Global issue like, you know

it, you know, I've a lot of experience of the UK and within Canada

and it just doesn't seem like schools is particularly.

Helpful anymore, but oh, well, that's

a different topic. I suppose to crack on with but

Tell me a little bit about the the adults that

you have worked with in regards to personal like

development be that for business or

within their like personalized is there like a

trend of individual that comes and works with you? Is it like usually business

people that want to take their game kind

of to the next level or is it like you were talking about people who

are struggling with like mental health or they are

heavily dependent on like the government and they

don't want to do that anymore like so what are the type of people that

come and see you and work with you? So yes, I I

actually seem to work with a

lot of educators.

Who are just kind of burned out Educators nurses

actually hair stylists

a lot of just who are just

there. They've been doing something for 15 years 20 years

and they're like, I'm just tired like I

know I should probably do this another 10

or 20 years, but I don't want to and so

it's kind of like, can you just help me to

figure out how I can utilize the

skills that I have to create a

business and a life that I love and

so that's what we do.

That's really cool. Where do you think we can pull inspiration from

when?

You know, you're just talking there about like a hairstylist who's been doing it for

10 15 years without questions gonna have a remarkable skill set

separate from just cutting hair.

So like where do you think we can grab the

inspiration on the motivation to make a

big change like that, you know like we were talking earlier about

becoming unfamiliar and doing uncomfortable things,

you know, you can't create any real change if

you're everything is predictable and familiar and you're

just doing the same old thing again, you know, like you can't make any real

Just when you real like big changes in

your life, if you're not taking that type of pathway so that how

do we find?

That inspiration and motivation when sticking with

that old job seems like they're more can most comfortable thing. So so

first I always say what is it that

people often come to you for so, I

mean people may be coming to you for a haircut. But when

they sit down are they talking to you about their

problems, usually they are or you're having

some type of conversation, so I always

What my clients to think if they're

just not sure I want them to think about what people come to them

for advice on what is it that they're really good

at if they were to go and pick up a magazine or a

book. What would the topic be about? What can you just talk about

for at least an hour? Non-stop? What's

exciting to you? So go in that direction and then

when it comes to making a transition what's really

scary is thinking about totally stopping

what you are currently doing and then

jumping into something new which I

do not recommend. And so that will take

away some of the anxiety what you want to do is really

create a plan.

And you just start by building?

Your business alongside your career

or what you're already doing. And so

whenever you have free time, if you want to get up an hour earlier, if

when you get off from work, you want to start working

on what you're passionate about. So that's when

you are creating the plan and then you're transitioning

into it. You're not just jumping into

it. A lot of people say, oh just quit your job. No, no,

no because you have deals so don't

do that, but you can definitely build along

the way and when it gets to

a place where you're comfortable and you've got savings and

you're you're ready, then you can make that transition.

Yeah, I think the I think a lot

of people have inspirational ideas and what

they could do or what they want to do during the time where

they're like, you know comfortable with their their job and everything's kind

of, you know familiar. A lot of people will have

those types of dreams, right what they could do but like taking that dream

and creating the right circumstances and then having

the confidence

To actually take that next step. Like how do you help people transition

from that because like having the dream is great and wonderful,

but taking that next step and being

confident enough and actually committing to that like it's

it's completely different than just having the the visualization of

the dream. Yes, and that's why you have to be willing

to take small steps. Even when you're nervous,

even when you are doubting a lot of people say, oh

don't doubt yourself, but the truth is whenever you're

trying something new you're uncertain if you're

uncertain and that just means basically your doubting you're

not sure if you're

gonna be as good as you've envisioned maybe you've envisioned yourself,

you know performing on stages singing dancing

speaking training, whatever that might be

but you gotta at least trust yourself enough

to

Take that first step.

Take that first step for speakers. I

often say hey, what is there an event in

your community that you can just volunteer to speak even if

it's five minutes or can you just get on video and

teach for about five minutes? So it doesn't

have to be big but just take a

step towards it and the more you do it. That's the

thing about confidence the more you do

it the better you get at it the more confident. You

become but you can't become confident if

you never try.

what type of coach would

you recommend to somebody who is

Done a job for 15 years. I've got skills from

it, but they want to do something else. That's like more connected to like their dream.

Could be anything I suppose but I what type

of coach would be beneficial to help you transition that

and obviously like get clear on the vision get

clear on how you're gonna like financially like take care

of that and to you know, because obviously the reality of

like trying to trying to create your dream job. It's complex.

It's complicated. It's certainly not impossible but

like having the right support around you is gonna

be absolutely vital in regards to that transition, right and

it really depends on what area you'd like

to go in. So if you're looking to just change careers,

so maybe going from a teacher

to being someone who works for a

huge corporation and you want to really look

at a career coach or someone who can

update your your resume and make it

really fit like they can pull those

skills that you already have and make you

more appealing to a corporation and so

it's there's not a one-size it's

all

That's why it's so important to do your research and don't

just hop in and hire someone just

because they've got a beautiful website you want

to do your research and make sure hey is this person

truly an expert are they doing what I desire to

do. So if you want to be a marketing

then you would probably want to hire a coach

who's really good at marketing and they can tell you how they

transitioned and how they built that particular business and

they can help you to plan they can help you to

strategize. So my recommendation is to always try

to find someone who specializes in

what it is that you desire to do beautiful

just to finish up we've spoken

a lot about like transitioning business wise. I

want to just ask your advice for people who

want to transition from that. So they've had 15 years

of having an anxious personality well being

at the Press person and that's your even having a diagnosis

that is like now

Their personality they are that person with celiac disease.

They are that person with rheumatoid arthritis,

whatever it might be, you know, and a lot of people wrap their

whole personality around that disorder and

it and it and it shackles people to a past

personality with no potential for anything

different when we all know and probably no people

who have done remarkable things with their like physical emotional

health and they are just completely different people. So how

would you recommend like maybe somebody who who's ready

to make that type of change because they're kind of fed up with the

old personality that is just like not allowing them

to thrive. How would you recommend people go

about making that transition on like a personal physical

emotional level?

Yes, I would say you have to start by identifying

writing down. Who is

it that you desire to become?

Let's let's start there and then

you can figure out what steps

you need to take to become that person.

What what habits do you need to develop?

What how do you need to think? How

do you need to feel about yourself? How do you need to feel in

your body? So for me, and I know you

you realize this too when I feel better, I

perform better. So so I mean, we

got a we've got to take so many other things into account

then just I want to change but look at

what needs to change.

When needs to change in your life, where are you?

Misleading yourself and in

your beliefs and your thoughts. What are you saying

to yourself when it's just you in the mirror? What it what what types of

voices are you hearing because

it depends on which one that you

you pay attention to. That's going

to be your God and I always

Say that.

You've got to be careful about what thoughts

you're allowing to be

implanted. I mean, it's just like a phone call and you

get to choose whether or not you're gonna pick it up. So

the thoughts they come I get the same thoughts and

people think oh because I'm a social worker. I'm a speaker and

I have books and but I still get those same thoughts. But

I choose that I am not going to allow those

thoughts to lead me. I'm not going to allow those thoughts

to stop me and I will not agree with

those thoughts which I also believe is

key.

Yeah, it sounds like you you've got structure and you've got a processes

in place to digest those

types of thoughts that come up for everybody. I always think

like they don't always like believe what you think because the majority

of what we think is just like random neurons firing,

right? So

You've obviously created and developed those processes

for you know, being able to let step back listening

to those thoughts and then you know digesting them

and like putting them out of the way for a lot of people who are completely some

who just living kind of unconsciously for a lot of their life have those

thoughts and they just manifest a man and they

go from a thought into a belief system and it becomes

so much bigger than they are and it's very difficult

to dig away out that but far from impossible and I

love what you said before there. I think being super

clear with your vision and writing

that down even to the point of like how will

you feel when you have these things and then,

you know using tools like meditation and visualization to start

literally creating those Visions

in your brain, and you know, I think

that's just awesome. But thank you so much for chatting

with me today, and how can people connect

with you?

They can go to my website expecting

victory.com or they

I'm on Facebook. I'm on LinkedIn at

Dr. Jessica Houston. So if you

just Google Dr. Jessica Houston, you will

find me.

Beautiful. I'll put links in the show notes. So people can connect with

you. But thank you so much for coming on today and teaching us

and talking to us. Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed

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