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To date, I've got the pleasure

of welcoming Mary Tel to the show.

Now Mary's got a very remarkable story about her

adopted son Zaya.

Now, Zaya experienced significant physical

and mental challenges even before he was born.

Both he and Mary have been on a rollercoaster ride trying

to balance Isaiah's mood and his A DH, um, A DHD symptoms.

So today we're gonna be discussing that amazing journey

and how Empower Plus Finos, um,

both played a big role in getting Zaya into a better place.

So Mary, first of all, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for being here. How are you?

Good. Thanks for having me.

Of course. Thank you. Great.

Well, let's just get straight into it.

You know, you've got quite the story to share.

So why not start at the beginning

before you'd even heard of True Hope

before you'd even heard of Empower Plus

or Micronutrient supplementation?

True. Um, so I was approached by

some family members to adopt a child.

Um, he was going to be apprehended at birth due to, um,

his birth parents, um, I guess substance abuse.

So, um, I think, uh, but at birth she changed her mind.

Um, so she wanted to try be a parent, a mom to him.

So she tried for a year.

Um, and she obviously did, wasn't successful

and she tried her hardest, but, um,

so they made the decision both the birth parents to, uh,

provide their son with, uh, the life

that they wish they had.

Um, so they, they signed the papers.

Sorry, it's a bit emotional.

No, of course. Take your time please.

But, um, yeah, so we had the adoption party.

It was amazing, and the foster family was so gracious

and they kept him for a year,

and it was like they had to let go of him too.

So super emotional, but it was beautiful at the same time.

So yeah, we've, um, you know, I've known since that point

that there would be some challenges in our life.

So we, I thought I was prepared for them,

but you never really prepared for,

you never really know what, what's gonna happen.

So I think he was, you know,

he met all his milestones, uh, when he was a, a child,

and then he didn't really show signs of challenges to like,

maybe kindergarten when he started to regress in school

and he was hiding under tables.

And, uh, he stopped learning like everything I taught him

before kindergarten, he literally forgot it all.

And so then he went into grade one, um,

and he started having some very physical altercations

with other children during carpet time.

And, uh, just some of the moods

and behaviors started in grade one.

So we, we, we also were followed by a pediatrician.

So she started recommending, um, pharmaceuticals, um, um,

which I was not a huge fan of.

Um, I'm, I'm very much like naturopathic, um,

is, I prefer that.

Um, but I was also seeing that my, my son was struggling

and I, I really wanted to see him succeed

and I, so I had to make the decision, do I put my

personal feelings aside and tried to do what's best for him.

So we tried the pharmaceuticals in grade one.

Um, he had some very severe side effects

and, uh, from the medications, it actually made his A DHD

and his mood swings worse.

Um, so

When did the, sorry to, sorry to interrupt there.

When did the pediatrician come on board?

Was that because, um, of,

because of his like traumatic, um,

gestation period? Uh, was

It Early, early childhood that he,

he had a pediatrician on board?

He, not right away

because he was meeting all his milestones.

Okay. Um, but when we reached kindergarten,

he was struggling

and then they would, the teachers were concerned,

he was hiding under his desk

and like they, he would withdraw from the classroom

and they couldn't really figure out what was going on.

Um, so then I, that's when the pediatrician came aboard was,

um, during kindergarten.

What was that initial experience like?

Um, engaging with the, um, conventional medical system,

working with a pediatrician for, you know,

psychological issues.

Um, to be like, on really honest, it was really scary.

Um, they, you know, she tried to give us as much information

of the medications as possible,

but even though I said, you know, I really would prefer

to try find other avenues than pharmaceuticals or Ritalin

or any of those drugs that are used for A-D-H-D-I,

I've seen, I know somebody

who took them when they were a kid

and now when they're an adult,

they're having a more severe depression, more issues on top

of the issues they already had.

So I would, that's kind

of why I leaned towards not doing it.

And she was, you know, the, the pediatrician was great.

She gave me all the papers for the medication,

the side effects, what it does, where it comes from.

It honestly made me not wanna give it to him more

because I then seen the side effects, um,

which he already has enough side effects.

I thought. I'm just gonna add more onto that.

Did they, did the pediatrician discuss with you, um,

the, like anything about diet

or anything about like stress

or anything about like, the stresses

that he would've experienced, um, in the,

his first years of life?

Did, was that, was that really a point of discussion

or was it kind of straight to the

Straight to drugs? I think it was kind

of straight. Yeah,

it was straight to behavior.

Let's fix this problem. Um, I knew that, uh,

by reading all the books I was reading that he, you know,

diet is a huge part of a DHD, um, for him.

So he was on a, an amazing diet at that age.

'cause you can tell them what to eat at that age, but Sure.

But, uh, yeah, so we tried the diet.

We tried, you know, making sure he was hydrated, uh, lots

of sleep, same sleeping pattern, routine.

Um, but he was still having these outbursts at school,

which were impulsivity control issues in the moment.

So then she's like, okay,

well you're doing everything right for everything else.

So we didn't really talk about that stuff.

She more along just went straight to

let's try fix his problem in school.

And my, my take was on it to her was, well,

why do we have to fix his problems?

Why can't we make the school adjust

to helping him in his unique needs?

Maybe he just needs something done a different way.

Interesting perspective. Absolutely.

Yeah. So it was a bit confusing at first

and um, yeah, it was super scary, intimidating for her.

Yeah, of course. How did the school

approach you in regards to

what was going on in the classroom?

Uh, I believe I got a, I got an email from the teacher,

I think is how it actually started.

And, uh, she felt, uh,

she felt Zaya was in the wrong, which he was.

Um, but it's also, I tried to explain to her that it wasn't,

he didn't do it on purpose, not, he doesn't do it just

because he wants to do it.

He does it 'cause he can't control doing it in that moment.

And then he feels really remorseful afterwards.

Um, so she wanted him to like apologize

and write these apology letters.

And I told her that he could apologize in person,

but we're not writing a a letter to nobody.

Like he in grade one, I felt

that there should be some structure around the children that

you don't, um, let your, a child wander off in grade one.

And so that was happening with say like he would sneak away

or they would like turn their heads for a split second,

and then in that split second he would have an impulse

control issue and then somebody else would get hurt

or he ended up coloring on a toddler's face one day.

Um, and so my question to her was like, well,

where were you when he was drawing on a

toddler's face in your classroom?

Like, you can't just put this on a child who is a child

and is supposed to be being watched by adults, you know?

So that was really hard to deal

with the school at that time.

Yeah, I'm sure that was a, um, a difficult conversation

to have have

Because Yeah. And he wasn't

diagnosed at that age, right.

To see, they were like, no, we can't dive, we can't test him

until he is about eight, seven

or eight, so we just have to ride the waves till then.

I was like, okay.

How old was, sorry, how old was he

when he went to see the pediatrician?

Uh, so grade one kindergarten, he's five, so he was six.

Okay. And he got put on, was it one pharmaceutical

or two? Can you recall?

It was, it was one, yeah, it was one.

Um, it was, I can't even remember the name of it.

He's been on so many right now. I don't even know the name.

But it was not part of the Ritalin

family, it was the other part.

Okay. Of the medications. And it was a very low dose.

Um, he would get it in the morning type of thing

before school so that it would last for the day.

How did that first initial drug work for him?

Uh, it worked at first for the first like week.

And then like the teachers reported to me that he was,

you know, he seemed, you know,

the impulsivity was a bit less, he was less, um,

disruptive to the classroom.

Um, but then I started seeing the side effects at home

where he would stop eating, he wouldn't sleep.

I had to start adding more medications to help him sleep.

I had to think of more ways

to try feed him different things.

Like he just wouldn't eat.

He would like, he would graze,

but he wouldn't actually eat a full meal.

So then at home I would get the massive meltdowns,

the tantrums, um, and the,

and the rest of the behavior that, you know,

was cited at school.

Um, so I decided to stop the pharmaceuticals at that point.

So when, when you decided to stop

with the pharmaceuticals, like how,

how many years are we talking about in regards

to him being on them

and where you've kind of,

I suppose in a way just like given up on that model?

Because you could clearly see

that it was doing maybe more harm than

good, especially at home?

Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. What's the time period there?

Uh, time period. So he was in grade one.

He did all of grade two, um,

without pharmaceuticals.

Uh, we really focused on like vitamins and diet

and just increasing his, um, sleep time.

I, I wanna say he's in grade five now.

So grade three, he actually,

I think it was grade three we started again

with the pharmaceuticals, um, due to, he had a, a a,

an aggression towards another child

and actually choked the child.

Um, so the school was extremely concerned, so obviously, um,

so they sent, uh, they sent a referral to

what we call the Queen Alexander here.

It's where they do the assessment for disabilities,

mental disabilities, and physical.

And we didn't get into, I think January

of

20 20, 20 19, 20 19,

we got into get him assessed immediately

because of the severity of what happened.

They were concerned that there was more

going on psychologically.

Okay. So then he got his assessment done and,

and they diagnosed him with the A DHD, uh,

with extremely high sensory needs.

But he didn't meet the qualifications of FASD

'cause he was short in one of those categories

for failing it, which they were really excited to tell me,

yes, we're excited to tell you your son doesn't have FASD.

We're so proud that he doesn't have it. It's amazing.

We don't really get to give this news.

But at the same time, we're also really sad

because we now know you're gonna have to fight for him.

Because in the schools, you,

if you don't have FASD stamp on your record

and you need extra supports, they,

you don't get provided the extra supports.

You don't get the extra funding. He's just left

to his own demise in the classroom.

And then the teachers have to struggle

to try keep him focused and everything else,

and they don't get the extra support.

So that was like, kinda the sad part of it. But yeah.

What was the, what was the, the di that diagnosis part?

Like, was that a lot of involvement at home and at school?

Was it like a big, was it a big assessment? Um,

It was a huge assessment, but it was done at the facility.

There was a psychiatrist, uh, an ot, a doctor, um,

and then he was seen by another lady.

I can't remember what she, her role was,

but he seen a whole team of people within a span of a month.

And they all did their own tests and their assessments

and then had a huge report at the end.

How, how has it been

for you personally since the beginning?

Um, I mean, up until he was five, it was amazing.

It was like, you know, you know, he's growing,

developing is the best years that you can have

with children, right?

Like, nothing was different.

There was like, sure, he had a bit of behavior and attitude,

but what child doesn't, you know, kids or kids.

And, uh, I think

after the age of like, obviously grade one

with all the interaction with the school

and the pediatrician and the medication, um,

it was extremely stressful.

Like mentally exhausting. Physically exhausting.

Um, yeah, I, I'm, I think when

he was in grade three, two to three, um,

I actually ended up having like a full on mental breakdown.

'cause I'm a single mom, so I'm doing like mom, dad, oh,

my family's three hours away.

So supports are like, pretty slim here. Um, so yeah.

And he went away to live with my parents for nine months.

'cause I was like, I just need to get myself together

or we're both gonna, yeah.

Yeah. Well, congratulations to you

because it's no, parenting is not easy at all.

And we also have this terrible thing in our society

where we feel like we have to say everything's okay

and went then deep down, behind closed doors.

It just really isn't.

And that, that, that is a big hurdle in regards to healing

and getting that support system, you know, so good for you.

I'm sure it's been, I'm sure it's had some wild ups

and downs, but why don't we, why don't you,

we step into the conversation now of how true Hope Canada

and Empower Plus and Free Menino

has, has come into your life.

If you can introduce that period,

that would be, that'd be great.

For sure. No problem. Um, so I have a sister

who lives here with me and Victoria.

Uh, her, her, uh, fiance at the time, um, was struggling

with the same issues.

Um, mood swings, outbursts, similar things to Zaya.

Um, and actually they became really good friends

'cause they're very, uh, the same.

So they, they get hyper at the same time.

They get calm at the same time. They like the same thing.

So he was trying, um, multiple different things.

He was doing pharmaceuticals,

he was doing na naturopathic stuff.

And then he finally decided, you know what?

I'm so done to pharmaceuticals.

They've been fed to me since I was a child.

I've been given Ritalin. I've been made to feel numb.

I've been made to feel nothing.

He is like, I'm tired of feeling nothing.

So he, um, it was, uh, hi,

his introduction to the True Hope.

Um, they had gone to the, the health store

and found some like vitamins for the brains.

And they were like, these are amazing. You should try them.

That's how we try started trying them.

And I was like, okay, let's give this a go.

'cause I'm, I'm like at my wit's end with pharmaceuticals.

I am done watching my child suffer from lack of eating.

Um, not feeling anything.

Like when you have an 8-year-old coming to you

and saying, mom, I feel numb.

I don't, an 8-year-old should not be able to say

or understand what that means.

So that was heartbreaking. And I was like,

okay, we gotta do something else.

And then we would, we got the free noses

originally and started on those.

Amazing. Yeah, that is truly heartbreaking.

I was gonna ask you like, as a, as a parent,

what was the worst side effect

of those pharmaceuticals that you experienced?

I'm, I'm presuming it was probably that,

that interaction you had. Yeah.

Yeah. That's, it was the worst.

That's wild. So you kicked off with Free Menino

and did you Mm-Hmm.

Did you go to a health food store and, and get them there

or have a conversation with somebody there? Um,

Yeah. No, we went to,

um, it's called House of Nutrition here.

And, um, I, I, I believe they told me Federal used

to be a pharmacist there.

Um, so I went there

and they told me the story of the medications

and then it's like, you know, it was made for this purpose

and it's holistic.

And I was like, great, that checks all my boxes for now.

You know? And when you walk into, you know, a,

a health food store, like a nutritional place, there's

so many vitamins, so many choices.

It's like bombarded with things.

But they were really great at narrowing down the section I

needed for what I needed it for.

And then, yeah, so that's where we purchased them from.

Great. So did he start on just Finos or

Yeah, he did. He

started, he started on I think two, one capsule of Finos.

'cause he was quite little then. Um,

and then as he is grown,

he is now on two Finos in the morning.

Um, on the weekends I will up his,

his vitamins in the afternoons,

but at school they won't, um, they won't make sure

that he takes them, so they end up coming home

and his lunch kit and stuff.

So he does, would normally take two Finos twice a day. Okay.

Like once in the morning, once in the afternoon.

And then now he, um, I had emailed Feder

and said, you know, look, he's still

having trouble staying focused.

Is there anything else in your like

in the line that would work?

And he says, well, have you tried em Empower?

I'm like, no, what is that? So then we explored that.

So we have two Minos, one em Empower at breakfast and lunch,

and that gets him through the day.

And he is able to, the teacher said it was amazing.

He was able to stay focused. He was concentrating.

She would turn around and like,

normally she would constantly be having to remind him,

you know, Isaiah, come on, let's go.

You gotta finish your work. She turned around,

his work was done or his books were put away.

He was sitting there waiting for the next thing.

And she was like, what? She just couldn't believe it.

She was like, where did this other child come

from? So yeah, that was, I

Think, was that, was that, was

that quick? Did that happen fast?

It was very quick. It was the first week I put the m when

I, when I compared the EM power with the free aminos

that first week, he was only on day three of taking it,

um, day three or day four.

And she, she saw the difference right away.

That's amazing. What did you, what did you notice at home?

Um, at home he was, he, uh, could notice

that he was more focused.

He was less scattered, less.

If I gave him directions for maybe three things,

he could do them in order of those.

Like, he could stay focused long enough to do that.

Uh, before any of the vitamins, I would have

to tell him like 500 times to pick up a pair of shorts

that he'd walk by like a hundred times.

Okay. Okay.

Um, well that's amazing that that, that

that's happened in such a quick period of time.

I mean, I'm sure you've spoken to many people about,

about what has happened

and how that transition has been made

because obviously a lot of other people in your life

would've, you know, witnessed some of his behaviors

and then, and then witnessed them.

Now, how do you explain

to people this quite dramatic difference?

Because it's not from a pharmaceutical

that these wonderful things have happened?

Mm-Hmm. It's from, it's from basically food in a very

concentrated supplement form.

So how do you explain that to people

who might not understand that supplements, you know,

really do work when they're used correctly?

Yeah, I, I've actually had a lot of experience with,

which is probably why Federal suggested I do this.

Um, uh, a lot of my coworkers, um,

struggle from A-D-H-D-I work in,

um, the healthcare industry.

So it's a lot of mental health.

Um, so I explained to, you know, a lot

of my coworkers are like, oh,

I just struggle with this and that.

And I said, Hey, well, have you heard of these,

these vitamin they like supplements?

And they're like, no, I've never heard of them.

And so I just explained, you know, Z's experience, you know,

his school experience mostly with the teacher like that.

'cause it's not really me that witnessed it. Right.

The teacher, somebody outside of our family.

So it's not tainted with our opinion of him. Of course.

So yeah. And I've had a few coworkers try it.

Um, I've actually even recommended it to my sister.

She's a, she's um, an ECE teacher

and she had a coworker who has a daughter who is I think 13

or 14 being diagnosed with a DH ADHD at that age.

Um, so she's also done with pharmaceuticals

and is, you know, desperate

and like I was searching for something to help us.

And so she's tried it

and she said that she is also had nothing

but amazing experiences with her daughter too. So

Awesome to hear. Wonderful.

What about yourself?

You know, obviously quite a stressful,

you've had many stressful times in, in your life with you,

with, um, with, with, with Zaya.

So like, have you, do you take, do you take them yourself?

Um, I don't take them myself.

When you asked me that question, I was like, yeah.

I mean, you know, in, in theory when you're in a plane,

they say if it's crashing to put the mask on yourself,

but you, um, tend to wanna give it to the child first.

Right? Of course. So I've been, uh, honestly been so

overwhelmed with like, his stuff and his school

and trying to make sure he's settled.

And he recently, um, so I don't take them personally.

I did try them once 'cause

he's like, mom, you should try these.

They're good for you too. And so I tried it once,

but, um, it's just the capsule.

It gets like, um, like jellified, like slippery, so it kind

of, the texture isn't where they work with my,

my, um, taste buds.

Sure. Um,

but he was like, you should still,

anyways, we had that conversation. Okay.

Okay. Awesome. Um, how, how is he now?

Um, he's doing amazing.

Um, since it took him off the pharmaceuticals,

he was still having, you know, mood swings

and impulsivity at school.

But he was, it appears that he is like,

if I could explain it, he is, he is learning

and building on his abilities to

recognize when those moments are coming.

Um, when he is feeling those moments of like,

okay, I can't cope anymore.

He's starting to use some of the strategies that we used

to use when he was a kid, which is nice to see

that he remembers those.

Unfortunately, sometimes the,

the people in his life don't recognize that

that's a coping mechanism that he's using and then,

and they try to get mad at him for it.

But we dealt with that too. Um, but he's doing really great.

He just recently, I think

because he's reaching, um, he's reaching the age of puberty,

he has a lot of emotions

and a lot of like struggles with hormones changing.

And, um, kids at school are changing.

So you have all those stressors of like, oh, why

can't I be normal like the rest of the kids in my class?

Why do I need all these special things?

And so he is a bit stressed, I think now.

Um, and he has some, he has some signs of severe depression

that are creeping in right now, um, just due to the loss

of his birth parents and the, you know, being,

being given away and trying to understand and grasp why,

and, and he understands the why.

He just doesn't, he wishes it could have been different.

I guess he's at that stage of grief and loss.

Um, so having said that though, he is taking

some antidepressants at the moment because his depression

and suicidal thoughts got really, really intense for him, so

Understood. Yeah. Maybe

a, maybe a conversation

with our micronutrient support team

to look at, look at mm-Hmm.

The dose dosages of, um,

what he's currently taking in regards to True Hope products

and also those antidepressants as well to make sure

that he's, um, you know, taking, taking the,

taking the right amounts.

But, mm-Hmm. Um, what resonated really

for me when you were talking about like, you know, how,

how he was doing where he's able to take a little bit

of time to recognize when no, it's rising up, you know, his,

you know, the emotions are rising up

and he's able to actually take a second to, um,

recognize it one, and then two, put some action into place

to actually help himself deal

with those situations better rather than the, you know,

having those impulses and,

and reacting be that verbally or physically.

I think that's, I think that's amazing

and, um, it, it, it can't be, it can't be easy to, to be

kind of naturally dealing with, with an issue like this

and it for you to just like, get to a point

and then boom, you know, you, something happens.

To actually be able to bring that down to a point

where you're actually able to,

you know, recognize what's going on.

I think that is an, an incredible achievement.

Mm-Hmm. Yeah.

And, and to be honest, he,

I don't think he would've gotten there without taking the

vitamins, his ability to stay calm.

Um, it's not natural.

Like he's never been able to stay calm.

He is never been able to, um, stop himself from escalating

or recognize, like, take that pause

before he's about to explode

or something's about to make him upset.

Like he never really had that ability before.

This past year he has been taking the, the framings

and em powers on a daily basis, seven days a week.

Amazing. Yeah. And,

and if he's able to, you know, take that,

let's call it balance into his school environment

with his peers and his teachers, that's only going to,

you know, advance his, you know, social interactions

and, you know, get on that kind of steady, that steady path

of development, which, you know, we,

we obviously want everyone to experience.

And yeah, it's unfortunate that, you know,

he is probably coming to an age now where he's able

to think about his birth parents

and think about these whole situations.

And so my mm-hmm, my thoughts, my thoughts

and blessings would be with you all for that

because that, you know, I can't imagine what type of, um,

physical and emotional trauma

that's gonna gonna bring up for somebody.

But I know that if there's anything, anything

that's gonna support, support him during that time,

it's gonna be micronutrient supplementation

to support his brain

and his body to get through such, such trauma.

Mm-Hmm. Um, just kind of last couple

of questions I just kind of like, do you have, like,

do you imagine a time or,

or can you imagine his life without these,

these products coming in and, and,

and giving him that support?

Could I imagine living without like, being sane right now?

No. Okay.

He would, he was, yeah, he was spiraling.

Um, he was spiraling into like a, a very deep depressed,

uh, na like mood swings like a

of at least 30 mood swings a day.

Yeah. I think we would definitely

be in a totally different place right now.

Had I not had my sister not mentioned

taking the vitamins. Yeah.

That's wonderful. And when you, um, I,

I presume he would've had to have had a, a, a consultation

with the doctor for the antidepressants,

but have you ever engaged in the, your pediatrician

or another doctor in regards to that we're using these

supplements for this, for his condition to,

because I'm sure you had to make them aware of

that when, when

He was not prescribed.

Yeah. Um, yeah.

Um, his pediatrician is very aware

of my holistic approach of things.

I did tell her what he was taking, um,

and she is fully, she's 100% aboard of whatever I wanna do.

She says, that's amazing,

that's great if that's working for him.

Um, she actually just recently we had a meeting

and she, you know, she's,

she's thrown every pharmaceutical she knows

that she could throw at him.

And every pharmaceutical, he's super sensitive to medicine,

so as soon as we introduce something,

it's gotta be really, really slow.

And then when he reaches the plateau of

what the medication dose is supposed to be, he just, like,

every symptom you could get from it,

the side effects, he gets all of them.

Um, so then we have to, they've not been ones we've had

to titrate down from, so we could just take the,

I could pull them, um, out of his

system without worrying about, you know, um,

the medication withdrawals and stuff.

But recently she was actually said to me, you know, Hey,

I feel like I'm, we are not managing his, his symptoms

and his challenges properly.

Um, I'm not happy with the fact that everything I give him,

he has a huge reaction to, um, she goes,

I'm a little concerned that it might be more psychological.

So she was gonna refer us to a psychiatrist.

And then she, and then I said to her, well, to, I said,

to be honest, the only thing that I see he's

struggling with is depression.

He is extremely depressed, he's extremely sad and,

and, um, suicidal.

I was like, why?

You know, can we try some antidepressants, a really low dose

for now to get us through the Christmas months

because I just want him to enjoy this month

and then challenge it again next month.

But, so that's kind of how we ended up on the antidepressant

to train at the moment.

Yeah. She sounds like a bit of a champion in regards

to being really open-minded

and recognizing that, um, her patient is not doing well

with, you know, the pharmaceutical being, being prescribed.

How many different, um, medications did, did, did they try?

Um, so

1, 2, 3, 4,

so five in total, and we repeated one twice,

so that'd be six,

but it was the same med again, just different dose.

Um, yeah. Six pharmaceuticals for A DHD

And apart from maybe that first one

that had some initial success for maybe a week,

you've not really seen any, um, benefit from them?

No. Every time there's extreme negative side effects.

Um, like I said, he said he felt numb, um,

and he would just have these crying outbursts

and he'd be like, I'm sorry

mom, I don't know what's going on.

I don't know why I'm crying. I don't know why I feel numb.

And then he like, felt like it was his fault

and I was like, just about died when he said that to me.

And I was like, it's not your fault. This is the meds.

It's not, had nothing to do with you.

It's not your, you're not doing this.

So then, then it's just that, yeah.

I just, that was hard. Yeah.

It must be so confusing.

Um, would you, who would you recommend try

Empower Plus or Finos or any of our other products?

You know, 'cause you know, I think you probably know a

little bit more about our, um, you know,

more about our company now and what we do Mm-Hmm.

And how we do it. And you've obviously spoken to people in,

in the health food store that have, you know,

recommended these products for a very specific reason.

So you've mentioned you recommended

or told the, told your story to a few different people.

Is there a specific type of person

that you would recommend any of our products too?

I mean, honestly, anybody, if you're struggling with like,

you know, depression, um, some of my coworkers take it

because they have severe depression.

Um, my son has a DHD with sensory needs.

Um, honestly, just even to to, when I took them,

I did take them for a week with my son

and you, I kind of just felt more focused

and more like present and less cloudy.

So, I mean, honestly, if you're just even stressed,

they're really good vitamins.

Wonderful. Yeah, I notice I've got two young kids in the

house, so I notice when I don't take them for a few days,

I've got a really short fuse

and I don't, I don't like that whatsoever.

So that's my mm-Hmm. That's my key.

And I'm always like, oh, I've not taken my

power Plus in a couple of days.

Simon needs to sort it out.

Yeah. Yeah. They're definitely a, um, amazing vitamin.

Well, I'm happy to hear that. I completely agree with you.

Mm-Hmm. Um, well that's awesome.

That's, that's kind of kind of wrap it up for today.

I really appreciate you taking the time

to come on and share your story.

I know it's not, I know it's not super easy to do

and I really, you know, I really hope

that everything works out going forward. Yeah.

Thank you very much. Of course.

Well, thank you for joining us again, Mary

and um, everybody out there appreciate you taking the

time to listen today.

This is True. Hope Cast the official

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