Greetings.

Hello.

Good day,

everybody.

Welcome to True Hope Cast,

the official podcast of True Hope Canada.

My name is Simon.

I am your host.

True Hope Canada is a mind and body-based

supplement company that is dedicated first and

foremost to promoting brain and body health through

non-invasive nutritional means.

For more information about us,

you can visit truehopecanada.com.

Today,

though,

I've got the pleasure of talking with Jess Moore.

Now,

Jess has been using our flagship product,

Empower Plus,

for many years.

And today we're going to be discussing her journey,

which includes a ADHD diagnosis,

many employment medical leaves,

a miscarriage,

pharmaceuticals,

discrimination in the workplace,

and much more.

So without further ado,

Jess,

welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for being with me today.

How are you?

I'm good.

Nervously excited,

but good.

Wonderful.

Thank you for having me.

No,

of course.

It's an absolute pleasure.

Throughout December here at True Hope,

we're really focusing on the amazing stories and

testimonies that we have of this incredible,

groundbreaking product that has helped hundreds of

thousands of individuals all over the world.

And it's been a real pleasure for me because I'm

able to interview these individuals,

whether it's on a podcast,

whether it's at shows,

people send me messages all the time about how

this product has changed their lives.

So I'm constantly flooded with these incredible

stories that bring me to tears.

any times and it's a privilege to be able to take

those stories in and present them in different ways

and we're so blessed with podcasts you know i'm

sat here in north london you're on the west coast

of canada like yeah just it's just amazing and

stories it's this incredible human thing that we've

got that that really really connects us and the

emotional charge that comes with this type of

engagement and these type of stories especially

around health and recovery and connectivity it's

just so so energizing and i absolutely love it so

thank you so much for being being here with us

why don't we um just jump off jump into it like

you know you've had quite an on and off

relationship with true hope and empower plus so why

don't you just give us this introduction of like

you know what was life before you discovered

empower plus and you know using micronutrient

supplementation as a way to deal with you know

psychological disorders um yeah i would like to

before i answer your question uh i'm gonna

Shout out to my ADHD brains,

because some of them will be I'm gonna read it

out here,

um,

some of them may listen for half of this tune,

out during or get motivated part way through

because their inner squirrel wants to move,

and that's basically like ADHD in a nutshell.

So I'm giving my shout out to the the other ADHD

brains out there,

um,

I'm speaking up on our behalf,

and I promise your creative mind is beautiful.

So,

um,

I wrote that out last night because my journey has

just been it's been chaos honestly,

um,

I i'm gonna start with the most recent thing and

honestly,

I had gotten um onto EMP it was in 2000,

approximately 2018,

and um,

it was just Like this random chain of events that

kind of led up to it,

uh,

but most recently I have been sorry I'm having a

bit of a blank moment,

okay,

um.

Most recently I've been going through some night

sweats because I went off my Emp,

I ran out and I started getting these night sweats

and doing all the research that I do,

I realized that there's hormone inconsistencies and

imbalances that I've been working myself through and

whenever I go off of or run out of or forget to

go by because I'm a busy mom in an ADHD brain,

um,

I always consistently get these night sweats.

And I was lucky enough to be introduced to your

sales rep here on Vancouver Island.

Tara said she happened to message me and um,

um,

she was it was because of a mom's group that we

have here and she was just saying,

'Hey,

I'm part of this.

I'm part of this company.'

Uh,

she was new to the sales team,

et cetera,

et cetera.

It had worked for her.

And I had sent her a picture and said,

'I got this,

I've got the stuff.' But at this very moment,

at that very moment,

which was October 20,

2020,

um,

I was giving it to my daughter because we were

starting to run out and we were financially a bit

tight.

So I wanted to make sure that my daughter was

successful back in October,

2020.

That's when I started getting night sweats.

And then when I went back on the,

um,

Empower,

uh,

EMP is what I call it for short.

I stopped getting the night sweats.

I actually going into my 40th year now,

I'm 39 right now.

I thought I was in perimenopause.

I was very confused.

So,

so yeah,

in a,

in a weird nutshell,

it was,

it was,

it was,

it was,

it was,

it was,

it was,

it was,

it was,

it was extreme events,

um,

that led me to Empower and then night sweats,

which just kind of,

which just kind of like made me realize that

there's something in this,

there's something in this bottle that's magic and

it's something that's necessary for me.

And I'm going to kind of segue into my,

what,

what actually kind of went.

On.

So back,

I had a baby in 2012.

And then in 2013,

I was promoted from a front desk position into a

recreation programming position.

And the stress just really came with the job.

And I had two coworkers that had,

that they were in the position and then they left.

And it was just a very confusing.

It was a very difficult job to be in.

And because I'm such a people pleaser,

um,

I've learned boundaries since,

but because I'm such a people pleaser,

I would never say no.

I would work when I was supposed to be taking

care of my,

my daughter,

et cetera,

et cetera.

And I was also teaching fitness classes.

And back then when I was teaching fitness classes,

I would get really dizzy.

And,

uh,

I think I was,

I think it was four months.

I started teaching again after my daughter was

four.

Five months old.

And I started getting dizzy,

went to the doctor,

found out I had a hyperthyroid.

So,

uh,

everything was just too high for me.

And fortunately,

fortunately,

that's when you lose a lot of weight,

but it makes everything around you kind of dizzy.

I didn't lose the weight because I like to eat,

but Hey,

that's another thing.

Um,

and then I was thankful that I randomly went into,

this is before I,

I got onto EMP.

I randomly went into this natural pharmacology,

uh,

shop that is now closed here.

He talked about red reishi.

I fixed a thyroid condition with,

with red reishi.

And that kind of started my,

oh,

wow.

Micronutrients,

uh,

healing your body with natural particulates food

from the earth.

Can work.

You don't have to be on a chemical to heal what

is in going on internally with your body.

So led into,

that was 2012,

2013.

Um,

2013 is when I got into my position.

It was super stressful.

2015,

I took my medical leave and my first medical

leave.

I was super stressed out.

Uh,

we had a union,

um,

it turned out I was kind of,

looked down upon by my,

my own union rep.

Uh,

they just thought I was,

um,

can I swear on this podcast?

I'm sure you can use a different colorful language.

I'm sure you can.

Okay.

Um,

they just thought I was just a difficult,

I'll try not to swear,

just a difficult human being.

Uh,

they just believe that I was a difficult human

being.

And then 2000,

2016 is when I was diagnosed and it just kind of,

it,

it confused me.

It hurt.

Uh,

and I,

what I was diagnosed with was ADHD with major

depressive and generalized anxiety.

Were you surprised by that diagnosis?

I was,

cause for one,

your diagnostician doesn't actually tell you what

anxiety is.

Um,

and then I was diagnosed with ADHD,

with major depressive and generalized anxiety is.

So I didn't,

yeah.

Okay.

Uh,

I knew,

I knew the major depression for sure,

but because I was like,

I felt like I couldn't get out of bed all the

time.

I felt like when I was taking care of my daughter

and working in the afternoon evening,

I was just,

I was depleted.

So trying to get out of bed and being a happy,

positive mom was really,

really difficult.

Um,

well,

yeah,

it was just really,

really difficult.

So that was,

so led me up to 2015 when I took my medical

leave 2016 diagnosed.

And then,

uh,

I got pregnant again.

Uh,

I had it.

So,

so from 2013,

2014 to like 2016,

you had a little,

you've had a promotion.

You kind of got the second job as well,

teaching,

um,

fitness classes.

You've had a child you've,

um,

been,

you know,

had hyper hyperthyroidism and you've had to,

and you've,

you've successfully dealt with that in the natural

with,

with,

with natural remedies,

which is just amazing by the way.

That's great.

And then,

yeah,

then you have this,

then you have your second child and obviously the

hormonal fluctuations and the changes,

biochemical changes with the body is just absolutely

extreme.

And you've,

you got pregnant the second time with your ADHD

diagnosis.

So when you got that diagnosis,

you got pregnant for the second time with your

ADHD diagnosis.

What,

what did they,

what did they give you to mask symptoms?

I'm not going to say treat or cure because that's

totally.

So what did they give you?

Um,

and I believe that too.

I believe that.

So what I was prescribed at first was Adderall and

that made me,

uh,

made my heart just like,

it was so,

it was extreme.

I F I felt better.

I felt like,

and this is how I describe it.

Actually.

Um,

I felt like I was living in a fog for my entire

life where I could see everything at all times.

Like I could never focus on what was right in

front of me.

I would see things over here and that behind and

that,

and that at all times.

And then when I started taking the Adderall,

I just,

it immediately,

cause I'm very sensitive,

immediately went to just,

like,

and I could see what was in front of me.

I tuned out what was beside me.

It was very helpful in that way.

That happened quite quickly.

It happened very quickly for me.

Some people it's not so successful and,

but the heart palpitations were too much.

So I went to my,

um,

diagnosing doctor and said,

you know,

this is too much.

So we changed me to Dexedrine and I found my way

around Dexedrine,

which it really does get me to just kind of focus

in,

even though I have squirrely moments,

it does get me to focus in a little bit better.

Um,

I was also,

since I was,

since the time I was 16,

I was on and off antidepressant and anxiety is

what I like to call it because depression is a

momentary lapse.

I don't feel like it's a consistent thing.

So I went,

I was on and off anti-anxiety medicine from 16.

And the reason I would go off again,

very similar to the EMP,

I would feel good.

And then I'd be like,

Oh,

I don't really need this.

And then I would go off and have a couple of

days of not so good.

But the one thing about it is that,

so I was,

I was given a Fexer and my goodness,

a Fexer,

when you go off of it,

it gives you literal brain zaps when,

so it does,

it does.

Something obviously does something good,

but when,

when you choose to not wean in a careful manner,

it gives you brain zaps.

And I,

I like being that kind of test on me in a way,

or that the test subject I'm willing to trial

because that thing with the red reishi,

I was like,

there's something here,

there's something different about this situation,

um,

that I'm willing to just try anything.

And when I had heard,

about how to go off a Fexer,

you got to do it very carefully,

very slowly,

et cetera,

et cetera.

If you don't,

you get the brain zaps.

I'm like,

well,

I'm going to try it.

And I did.

And they were awful.

So you just went cold turkey off of Fexer whilst

being on a couple of other things,

or had you gone from Adderall to the second

medication to Fexer?

I went from Adderall to Dexedrine,

stayed on Dexedrine and was also on Fexer.

So the one thing that I think a lot of people

don't really understand about the ADHD brain is

that although,

although ADHD medicine allows you to focus,

there's still a bit of mood fluctuation.

So when it comes to EMP,

I'm,

what I'm finding is it just levels me out a

little bit better.

It's not,

it's not fixing anything.

The fixing of anything comes from me.

It just levels,

in my opinion,

it levels me out so that I can comprehend what's

going on around me.

I can be present and aware for my kids,

my hubby,

my personal life.

And,

and it just kind of balances,

balances me out.

So any kind of fixing,

that's a bigger thing that we can talk about.

I've been researching Gabor Maté.

He has an ADHD brain.

So,

and he has a bit of a theory there.

So any kind of fixing,

um,

I've been doing the work myself,

but with EMP,

with the help of EMP,

it's been very,

very,

I've been very,

very successful with working,

basically working through my,

my stuff.

Yeah,

of course.

When you so when you first engage with Empower

Plus,

you got this from our,

from one of our island reps,

right?

Like that was your first introduction from Tara?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Great.

Actually,

no,

sorry.

It wasn't from Tara.

It was,

um,

a woman named Dale at our local Jeannie's vitamin

shop here in Comox.

She,

I had been in there before previously,

uh,

for ADHD stuff and was given like this package of,

you had to take like eight pills.

And it was honestly like,

it was a mess and it didn't,

it didn't work for me.

So Dale recommended,

she said,

this is a really interesting story.

She brought me to where all of the products were,

the,

uh,

Natchin,

uh,

Natchin,

Diodyne,

and,

uh,

Freeman's and stuff.

And she said this family,

she introduced me to the pamphlet and said,

this family has an interesting story.

So if you look it up,

it may sound strange.

It may sound unique.

And I'm all for weird,

unique and strange.

So I,

when I looked it up,

I was actually,

I was happy to try something that worked for

somebody else in such a profound way.

Great.

So did you,

you said when that happens in that store,

did you take a,

did you take a bottle home with you?

I did.

I took,

um,

I bought all of EMP.

I may have taken Freeman's,

but I'll just say for sure.

I took the EMP.

And at that time I was very,

um,

um,

I was very,

very broken.

Uh,

I had so I left my,

I left,

I left my work environment to stay pregnant.

And I,

and I honestly say to stay pregnant with my,

with my daughter,

Maya,

because if I hadn't left that work environment,

I could have caused another miscarriage.

And the,

the stress that I went through in that work

environment,

whether it was my personality,

whether it was my diagnosis,

whether it was my,

you know,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

my,

whether it was whatever,

it was just a very,

very stressful work environment.

And I had had two miscarriages there.

Uh,

one of them was in 2014,

which brought me to my medical leave in 2015.

And then the next one was,

um,

after I had returned to work after medical leave,

but then I was still being kind of discriminated,

gaslit,

treated poorly because of lies and misinformation

coming from there.

And yeah.

Okay.

So you take this bottle of Empower Plus,

you've been inspired by the story from,

from the individual working at the store.

And you're also personally in a place where you're

probably looking for some sort of hope or light.

And these things happen serendipitously in many,

many occasions.

So what,

yeah.

So,

so what's your experience when you start taking

Empower Plus?

Do you,

do you work with micronutrient support team?

Are you,

are you,

are you,

are you,

are you still on Effexor?

Like what's your,

cause you know,

taking,

it's very,

very important when you're taking,

especially Empower Plus,

cause it is such a powerful,

um,

formula produced in a very specific way that it's

so,

um,

bioavailable meaning that,

you know,

you can have poor digestion,

but the way it's,

the way this product is built,

like a superfood,

you're going to absorb it and it's going to do

its thing on,

you know,

and in some cases very,

very quickly for,

for,

for some people.

So,

what was your,

you know,

first initial experiences of actually taking Empower

Plus?

So two things I knew about digestive,

digestive issues prior to taking it,

excuse me.

So I had already been working on that,

which was really,

really good.

Uh,

what I happened to do is I take a baking soda

water mixture and it just kind of,

it starts to heal the gut lining and whatever.

There's a big,

there's thankfully,

there's a big scientific,

uh,

write-up about it.

Um,

but at the time I was just like,

well,

what's in Tums?

What's,

what are the ingredients in Tums?

Um,

and then I had a friend say,

just say teaspoon of baking soda and water.

So I'd already started healing my gut.

The other thing that I'd done prior to taking it

was I was that I knew about adrenal glands.

So I had already started healing my gut.

So I had adrenal glands,

adrenal glands,

and I had started healing those with something

called Adrenosmart.

So I knew how to not band-aid,

but the general public,

uh,

they don't realize what effects or what Dexedrine

can do to your insides.

And I,

I don't know,

I believe without the Adrenosmart and without the

baking soda water,

um,

I was just,

I was starting at a good place.

So I believe if I hadn't started at that good

place,

maybe,

um,

maybe I wouldn't have been as successful.

So when I started taking the EMP,

I felt the effects right away,

uh,

as a sensitive person in general,

but,

and I,

I chose my mindset was this is going to work.

And if it doesn't work,

I'm going to pay attention to that.

And I think with,

I think it was within a couple of days.

And then when I met Tara,

that was October 20,

2020.

Um,

she,

I was having a bad day and I said,

this isn't working for me.

And she's,

so I was taking just two pills a day,

two of the tablets a day.

So I don't actually take what's on the bottle.

It would be,

it'll be interesting to see if I actually take

what's on the bottle.

So she said,

just take three.

And at that time on that day,

I had taken the two,

locked the door,

went into the shower and just kind of like,

I was like a child.

I just wanted to hide from my kids.

I love my kids,

but they were so loud that day.

And I took a third one and just got out of the

shower,

took a third one,

went back into the shower.

And just within minutes,

I,

they got less loud.

It felt less loud.

It felt less overwhelming,

just from taking one extra supplement.

That's amazing.

That's yeah.

I think dosage is very important.

You know,

a lot of,

um,

when we're talking about the,

the literature and the science and the publications

that have been used on,

on anything,

especially something that is,

um,

such a powerful,

deliberate formulation,

we have to be taking the right dosage.

That's been studied.

You know,

if we're looking at a study of using micronutrients

to treat ADHD or to treat anxiety or,

um,

depression,

we have to be looking at the research in regards

to care.

Okay.

Who are the individuals in this study?

How much did they take?

And what were the effects were,

you know,

that's,

that's,

that's the scientific process is very,

very important.

And,

you know,

that's why we have this micronutrient support team

that is just so well-versed in psychotropic

medications,

obviously our products,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and; We even have it on our label because our

product works so well,

so quickly.

It's very important that if you are on one of

these medications,

you need to be speaking with our team so they can

help you get the right dosage for your individual

circumstances.

And hopefully with the assistance of,

um,

your own personal physician,

um,

come off and take taper off some of these,

you know,

very harsh pharmaceuticals that have just,

you know,

vicious side effects that,

you know,

may work in the short term for a lot of people.

And whether that's placebo or not,

I'm not sure,

but,

um,

very,

very important that you work with,

you know,

a health professional when looking to take this

specific micronutrient supplement; because it's,

it's,

it's different than anything else out there.

There's a reason it's one of the most studied

micronutrients on the planet,

and that's because it really does what it says on

the tin.

So,

did you,

did you have,

were you,

were you cautious in regards to your application of

Empower Plus,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and,

and then being and obviously you you're on other

pharmaceuticals as well right?

And and,

sorry I never answered your question; this is the

fun about the ADHD brain we have so many thoughts

yeah all the time but finishing a sentence is is

like pulling teeth.

Um,

I chose Empower Plus first in 2018; I didn't know

about the micronutrient team or when I read it,

it just didn't register for me okay.

So when I hear micronutrient team and yes,

I remember you're seeing it in a lot of different

places,

cards,

and everything um,

so that was 2018.

And then 2020,

when Tara talked to me,

my life just got busy and I forgot another thing

is I am going through and I'm killing a lot of

my inner child.

so this is a bit of a like side note to how

adhd sorry kind of progresses in a person okay uh

with a lot of triggers a lot of um childhood

neglect and and abuses and stuff like that so my

inner child basically said that no one's going to

help you you should do it yourself so i didn't

want to i remember at one point i was like oh i

should and then i forgot and then i said oh i

should and then i was like but if they if they

don't have the time for me if somebody says

something with an attitude or with uh with a tone

that kind of gets me amped up i'm in such a good

place i don't want to go back i don't want to

revert back and i keep telling my daughter

my oldest daughter that like i'm not going to

revert back to the angry unhappy um i don't like

to word use the word crazy when it comes to

mental health but i was erratic um and i've and

i'm making up for that now with her so you think

that this sorry to interrupt you but do you know

that that um that's good do you feel that um

empower plus has given you the ability to actually

register and understand the person that you were

because obviously when you are when when anybody is

is chronically unaware and fogged out and unfocused

how you know you can't you can't see what's right

in front of you let alone the person that you

that you

are aware and how you're involved involved with

your family and other people like it's so so

difficult to to have that awareness but you know

when we're now i've got examples of my own

personal life when you know my emotional state is

just so high be that positive or negative i'm not

going to be able to do that i'm not going to be

able to do that you're just not your authentic

self at that point and it's hard to reflect on

what's happening in that moment so i imagine i

couldn't imagine how difficult that would be to

happen over days weeks months years so do you

think that empower plus has given you that ability

to register and

be conscious of the differences the different

persons that you have been 100 and elaborating on

that uh i to put into words really i'm just a

calmer i've always been a kind person but i've

been feisty and i have wanted to be heard etc etc

now uh i i wait for people to finish speaking

honestly that was not a strong point of mind i

would need to feel heard all the time and that

just goes back to early life um what else is

there um i don't know i don't know i don't know

i don't know i don't know i just i just feel

more in my body and yeah that's that whole fogged

out thing it feels real like i felt i said that

for so long i felt like i was just living

In a fog,

I felt like I was living in a dream world and

now this is my reality.

So,

going back and looking back at myself and thinking

back,

uh,

I was just a whole different person back then.

And and I'm a whole new person now,

now,

on that note because I wasn't aware of who I am,

and because I would have a lot of interpersonal so

a lot of if people don't know the word

interpersonal,

a lot of relationship issues,

a lot of 'Jess you said this' or 'Jess you said

it in this way'

or whatever.

I would start recording our conversations.

I started recording conversations with uh work with

my workmates; I recorded all of the conversations.

That um went on at work when I was being

discriminated,

and because I wanted to know if I was the

problem,

is it me that's the problem or is it how I'm

addressing it or what?

So me and my hubby started recording our

conversation conversations too,

whether it...

I can now look back at those and go,

wow,

I'm not that person anymore.

And there was actually one that was really telling.

I was sitting on the floor in my hubby's

grandparents'

place,

saying please stop,

please stop,

please stop',

and just crying.

I think my hubby deleted it...

or it's backed up on my computer.

Then another one,

and I think my hubby deleted it...

or it's on it's backed up on my computer and then

another one and I think my hubby deleted it uh or

It's on its backed up on my computer,

and then another one.

This is why my this is why employers should really

know because there are tells when people are

depressed,

this is why um,

sorry,

employers should know that the person is not just

trying to challenge the crap out of you; the

person is not doing well in some shape or form,

some shape or form.

Here's the garbage bin that I was talking about

earlier um,

I was curled up like I am now because this is

kind of a comfortable position for me but I'm

usually sitting cross-legged.

I was curled up like I am now because this is

kind of a comfortable position for me in my my

boss's office just

Crying that is a desperate now I know that that

is a desperate cry for help it is it is a time

where employers shouldn't say 'hey Jess,

you need help' it's 'hey Jess,

how can I help you'?

Is there some time off that you need and and

considering paid leave versus unpaid leave like when

you're in a mental health state all you want to

do is take care of your family and if you can't

do that because you are you are forced out because

your brain is just is injured at the moment then

thinking about money thinking about how to bring

income thinking about how to pay for your rent or

pay for your vehicle or or if you're if you don't

have a vehicle pay.

For food,

like yeah there's something you're always going to

be thinking about,

yeah absolutely like it's a very very tricky thing

and you've obviously had some very poor treatment

and discrimination at work a lot of people a lot

of people do right but do you think do you think

that that terrible treatment or that discrimination

is down to those individuals just being cruel and

just being cruel and just being cruel and just

being cruel and just being cruel just want to

impose pain on you psychological or physical or do

you think it's just a pure ignorance to the

seriousness of mental health I've got two answers

for that.

Because one of them,

the people that I was dealing with,

I feel as though having done all the research that

I've done on your inner child and what's called

the ACE score and childhood PTSD/CPTSD,

I feel like I was basically dealing with big kids

with labels.

They had the label of CAO or mayor or director

supervisor union what was the union president?

Those were all the titles that I was dealing with.

So those people; they felt bad about me,

and I felt like I was a bad person.

And I felt like I was a bad person even before

them.

I had to respect what they were who they were

because of their title.

But realistically,

looking back now,

some of it was cruel.

Because I was my own legal advocate at the time

again,

money people me thinking nobody can do the work

that nobody's going to help me the way that I

need to be helped okay you're right I was my own

legal advocate and,

um,

some of the emails that I read were very cruel.

They were very cruel and I wasn't supposed to see

those emails,

the ignorance when it comes.

Yeah.

That's,

that's the funny part when you're on your,

when your own,

when you are your own legal advocate that you get

to see all the stuff that isn't,

uh,

the other part of that is ignorance.

Yeah.

I think I held it together for a long time.

I held it together,

I'm a smart person.

I am,

uh,

a hardworking person as an only child.

I am a go-getter.

I do things.

So I don't know,

maybe,

maybe it just seemed like I was weird or strange

or trying to push them.

I actually,

I remember my boss at one point,

she said,

'Are you trying to push them?' And I'm like,

'What are you talking?

Why would you say that?'

And it was because I had forgotten something.

I just forgot to do something.

So realistically,

all I was dealing with was their inner children.

She had some insecurities.

He had some insecurities.

I feel like this brings a bigger topic of what we

should be doing,

how we should be addressing people going through a

mental health moment,

like anything like that.

Like we need to change the conversation.

And I,

that hasn't come to me yet.

I get a lot of,

I get a lot of,

uh,

motivations and,

and thoughts and everything in this brain,

but that one has not come to me.

And I think crisis awareness,

maybe we're,

here's the garbage truck again.

Maybe we're finally getting there,

but,

um,

I haven't figured it out yet.

Yeah.

There has to be a big combination of blatant

ignorance in our society as a,

as a whole has to take responsibility for that.

There's a very incorrect way that our culture deals

with tough topics,

be that religion,

politics,

mental health,

and then,

yeah.

And then,

and then our own egotistical values to drive and

climb up this pyramid or this hierarchy,

you know,

you,

you know,

you say you were talking,

you're working within politics,

you know,

like I couldn't think of any more of a literally

cutthroat business,

you know,

and that's a,

yeah,

that's a,

it's a,

it's a huge problem.

I'd love to switch the chat to your children and

like,

do you,

do they take any of your products?

What's their experience with,

uh,

with True Hope?

So my oldest daughter is an undiagnosed.

I feel I call ADHD brain because for me,

I try to disassociate my brain from who I am.

I'm not ADHD.

I'm not,

I'm not a depressed person.

I'm not an anxious person.

I have those tendencies.

So for my daughter,

I'm trying to take away all of the judgment and

the expectation and the language that I was

basically shown discrimination at,

uh,

for et cetera.

Uh,

so Mila is nine and a half and she is evidently

an ADHD brain kid or possibly ADD.

So I,

I have as an ADHD brain mom,

I keep forgetting to finish the paperwork and send

it to the pediatrician.

So she's been diagnosed undiagnosed since she was

seven,

maybe,

maybe a little earlier,

me and her preschool teacher kind of kept track

and took notes.

And then Maya,

who's four and a half,

she's evidently neurotypical.

She has a really good memory.

She,

what'd she do?

She knows how to do ABCDEFG.

She doesn't get squirrely like me and her big

sister do.

So Mila is taking EMP and free amino acids,

and I'm going to have to look at it,

look at the doses for Mila,

but I could definitely see a difference in her as

well.

Back in 2018.

That's good.

What do you,

what do you notice when they,

when they don't take it?

A little bit extra squirrely,

a little bit for Mila,

a little bit extra,

uh,

forgetful.

Okay.

Uh,

less calm.

She's a very insightful kid.

And when she forgets it,

I can tell.

I'm like,

'Did you take your vitamins today?' No,

I didn't take my vitamins today.

And I mean,

maybe it's mama sense or,

or what,

but she's also a little bit more feisty with her

sister.

So Maya being four and a half,

she tries to get reactions out of Mila and it

works when she's not taking her vitamins,

not taking her vitamins.

So we try to be very,

very consistent with it.

Yeah.

That's great.

That's obviously very important.

And children being this just like incredible basket

of frequency and energy.

And no,

it's very difficult for adults to control all of

that,

let alone this beautiful new organism.

Right.

So,

have you got any like tips for any parents who

have,

you know,

let's say challenging children?

Um,

do you know,

I think I wrote,

no,

I know that I wrote notes on that.

So I'm just trying to review.

Sure.

And that's the one thing about an ADHD brain.

I was always made fun of by my,

my,

uh,

this was before I was even diagnosed.

I was always made fun of by my boss for the

amount of notes that I took.

And now I know,

it was the best thing for me.

So when it comes to parents,

I would say gut health is bigger than they

realize.

That's the other thing with Mila and Maya,

we all drink the baking soda water to,

to heal anything that's happening.

Uh,

we,

oh,

we ask our kids.

Yeah,

we ask our kids to listen with their eyes and

their ears.

And we also need to do that too.

We need to watch how our kid is or how our child

is behaving with other people,

with other kids in situations.

And if it doesn't seem normal,

which I don't,

I don't like to use that.

Yeah.

So if it,

it doesn't seem,

uh,

like they are doing the most successful thing for

themselves.

If,

if Mila wasn't doing the,

the most successful thing for herself,

then that's my job to teach her.

And it's my job to look at the best nutrients and

to research the company.

I know a lot of people are giving their kids

certain vitamins because they're at least less

expensive,

but I have to say as the mom who took the cheap

vitamins when I was pregnant with Mila and the

more expensive vitamins,

when I was pregnant with Maya,

I'm seeing a huge difference.

That's wonderful.

Yeah.

It's,

um,

we,

it's going to be very true.

Do you ever like any,

any tips as well in regards?

Cause not all kids love consuming a capsule.

Yes.

Yeah.

There's yeah.

Well,

I,

I remember listening to one of your podcasts about,

uh,

with a man who was in a,

he worked in a vitamin shop and gummies.

I understand that there is like a,

you don't want to give your kids gummies.

But anything liquid or gummy form,

it just,

it helps right now.

I actually,

I taught my girls to swallow pills early.

So Maya knows how to swallow.

And I just use like,

we take,

um,

see,

this is why I take,

this is why I write things down.

We take cod liver oil.

Okay.

And it's just,

it's,

it's very slidey.

Whereas EMP is a bit bigger and it's not so

slidey.

Uh,

I don't have any tips when it comes to,

to tricking them into anything because I don't,

I don't mother that way.

I don't trick my kids.

I don't lie to them.

I don't Santa is,

um,

actually do you know what,

can you edit that out?

We're not going to talk about that one.

Um,

I don't use that word in our house.

Um,

no,

I totally understand.

Yeah.

It can be every parent child relationship is going

to be,

is going to be different.

Absolutely.

And you know,

we all do the best that we can.

They're the ways in which we can,

um,

get some of these.

Cause I genuinely think that almost everybody should

be taking this product because whether,

you know,

you could be having the most incredible diet on

the planet,

you could have the most stress-free life,

whatever it is,

but there are so many external factors that

contribute to being deficient in whether that's

vitamins,

minerals,

amino acids,

antioxidants,

so many of these incredibly important,

um,

building blocks for our body.

There's no way that no one,

that most people aren't deficient because that's

just,

you know,

we're talking about soil and our environment and

our kids,

because they are so bound by energy and frequency,

they,

you know,

they,

they deplete these things at such a rapid pace

that it's very,

very important that they take it as well.

And we have in the future coming out a,

um,

like a child's,

um,

a product specific for children and Empower+ product

specific for children.

That's,

um,

going to be like a,

one of those sticks that they can take.

Which is just awesome because,

yeah,

it's not; if you were to consume the powder

without a capsule inside of the tablet,

it doesn't taste good.

It's not good.

No,

no.

And I was actually listening to something.

Uh,

so I was like,

I was listening to one of the podcasts yesterday

and it just,

it got me thinking when the person said he

recommended EMP when the person had like a,

a,

quite a big disorder or an evident mental health

condition.

I don't say disease; I don't say illness; I say

condition because I am the example of being able

to get through my stuff.

Um,

maybe I don't take six or three or two of the

EMP capsules.

Maybe as a person who just knows and understands

that this company is getting as much out of it as

possible,

as much nutrients as possible packed into such a

small little thing.

Maybe one is,

is great.

One is better than none for me.

So where I'm going with this is one of the,

one of the EMPs is better than none.

So I wouldn't,

it wouldn't be my opinion to not take this.

Even if I was superly mentally healthy,

happy,

all that kind of stuff.

I'm doing it for my body.

I'm doing it because this company is,

is correct.

You're taking like,

our food is not sorry,

squirreling moment,

too many thoughts in my head right now.

Um,

positive thoughts,

but our,

our food is depleted.

Our,

our soil is depleted.

We're not composting the way that we,

we used to in the past,

because we're worried about rodents and all that

kind of stuff.

We need to,

because we need to replenish the earth with,

with the compostables.

I mean,

that's the reason for it in my mind,

but I haven't done a lot of that.

I haven't,

I'm a researcher and I haven't done a lot of that

research when it comes to how you guys get the

nutrient,

but the nutrients in,

I'd love to come to the facility and find out one

day.

Yeah.

I'm sure we could facilitate that.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Who,

um,

who would you recommend try and power plus I'm

sure that cause you've had anyone found anyone,

anyone,

honestly,

um,

basically going back to what I just said,

because I haven't,

I haven't read the back of the label.

I don't actually know what the recommended dose,

but three is working for me.

So I believe that anyone should take it if it's

one,

two,

three,

and whatever the recommended dose is for,

for capsules,

uh,

because it just true hope it's done the research

and me being the example of better mental health,

my daughter being an example of what it looks like

when she's taking her vitamins and not taking her

vitamins.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah.

And I don't want to be on chemicals for the rest,

for my entire life.

That's it.

Are you pharmaceutical free?

Not yet.

I tried actually.

So to be honest,

I tried for the past three days.

And so I'm down to one dexedrine a day,

which is 10 milligrams.

And I'm still not quite there.

This is why I'm trying to balance matcha tea with,

with something,

but it's not quite there.

And,

but I don't,

I don't know what they do.

As it happens,

I too maybe now is the time I should contact the

migrant nutrient team.

It's maybe a good pitch for me right now.

Contact the micronutrient team and just find out,

so should I be taking,

because I remember talking to Tara.

She said that the micro-nutrient team for her,

you,

she broke open the capsule and she would take a

certain amount of her medicine,

of the chemical medicine.

And then,

and that's what the micronutrient team did,

so yeah,

maybe it's time that team is brilliant,

and they will be able to get really specific with

that type of thing.

So I highly recommend that you,

that you engage with them.

But it sounds like from being pharmaceutical

dependent and having that as your only way out,

um,

it's changed,

that's significantly changed.

Yeah,

and I do believe,

like I do really truly believe that there are

certain points in your life that that if you're at

a certain point in your life,

the chemicals are there for,

for the band-aid,

they're there to cover the wound and help you work

through it,

so that no dirt gets in.

No,

I really do consider mental health as like an open

wound.

So EMP is like the ointment for,

and then Dexter and effects are for me was the

band-aid that just covered everything over and and

blanketed it all out for nothing else to get in.

Like that,

so that's nice,

yeah,

yeah,

that's yeah,

that's awesome.

Well,

we're just finishing up now,

that's our time.

I thank you so much for sharing.

That I think it's again like as I said at the

top of the show,

sharing these stories is difficult,

it's not easy,

but it's going to be able to you know,

hopefully if it,

if it inspires one person to,

to contact a micronutrient support team or go to

their natural health store just to start asking

questions and to maybe go through all of the

research and the science that we have for our,

for all of our,

for Empower Plus,

that's available at truehopecanada.com.

Very very important to be able to start becoming

your own,

becoming your own doctor,

your own health advocate because as you say,

pharmaceuticals they're going to band-aid and They

could help in the short term,

but you know if you're truly someone who wants to

heal,

wants to be,

wants to be yourself,

you know put that pain behind them.

We have to,

we've got to be playing the game ourselves.

It's very,

very important to do that.

Yeah,

and that it's good that you say that.

I know we could talk a lot more about just that

topic in general about being your own doctor.

I have a fantastic doctor by the way,

I really do.

But she is extraordinary because she is different

than other doctors excuse me,

she's not integrative,

she's not holistic,

she's just a regular GP.

But she is willing to listen to the fact that

I've been my own advocate.

And I've been my own doctor,

so when she has a diagnosis and I have a similar

diagnosis,

we come in and we collaborate together.

And my situation is very different.

My previous doctor wasn't like that.

Being your own doctor,

a lot of people uh talk about that in the

negative,

and I don't i believe that the conversation should

change because we need to be our own doctors.

We don't need to people can be hypochondriacs.

I'm not a hypochondriac; I never have been.

Everything that me and my doctor,

that I brought to my doctor for,

for something um for some reason we would discuss

and work through.

And being your own doctor is,

I mean.

Your podcast in general,

there are different versions of doctors.

There are different people to go to to find the

right path and to find the right thing,

and I just happen to be a good researcher when it

comes to doing the right thing for me.

And I've honestly had like this is the hippy dippy

side of me,

I've had a lot of universal things just kind of

come into my life,

like Ayurveda.

What's Ayurveda?

Oh,

it's similar to Chinese medicine,

but for me it works better than Chinese medicine,

so it's all very interesting.

And I,

I've done the same with my daughter,

my youngest daughter who had severe allergies and

her pediatrician She's a wonderful human being and

lovely person,

but she's bound to a certain um way of doing

things,

they're there bound to this structure,

this Western medicine.

So when my daughter was four months,

I was breastfeeding and she was getting whatever

allergen was coming through my breast milk,

and it was causing her back rash and stomach pain

and um sleep disorders.

And long story short,

when her pediatrician said,

'Oh,

she's too young for allergies,' my gut just said,

'Sorry,

no.' And I did the research,

I fixed my own child because no one would listen,

and we trust in a system that I don't know; it

needs to be revamped.

We've got a lot of we've

got a lot of other people out there to with a

lot of great information and understanding and i'm

a person that doesn't like to believe in one thing

uh ayurveda is per person and i think that's how

we should be addressing the western medicine should

be addressing the person that walks to the door

and has a doctor's appointment it shouldn't be it

shouldn't be this broad spectrum thing no you can't

it's it just doesn't make any sense that you would

try and use the same approach of everybody because

it just we just just doesn't work like that it's

just way too complicated way too individual um and

yeah no system can apply one

Form of medication or whatever that might be,

it's every single person that comes through and

just happens to fit the box of a specific

pathology or diagnosis.

No,

it just doesn't work like that in my opinion; it's

really poor,

it's really lazy.

Um,

but I'm finding that's what we do with everyone.

Sorry,

yeah,

yeah,

no,

yeah,

no.

You're right,

yeah.

That's what we do with...

that's what we do in like in school,

that's what we do with...

you could apply the general notion of how we do

things to every aspect of life,

yeah.

But if he individualized it,

it's just that everybody who tries to individualize

it or the companies,

the organizations,

whatever.

Um,

they're looked at as weird or crazy,

and the narrative just needs to change.

It needs to stop being the stigma is there,

the judgment is there.

If once we wipe those away and take those away,

I don't know,

yeah it's certainly highly universal reductionism and

it doesn't serve any of us,

yeah.

Um,

Jess,

we're gonna have to stop there,

yeah.

Coming up to the hour point now,

but thank you so much for joining me today,

I really appreciate it,

thank you very much for having me,

of course.

Well,

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everybody.

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