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well good morning Dr Jeffrey welcome to the show thank you so much for taking the time and being with us how are you

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doing today yeah I'm doing really good it's a nice sunny day over here so

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cooler around the coast so it's really nice excellent that's great well let's kick off with some back story you know

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how did you get into naturopathic medicine what's the what was the journey yeah well it's been a long

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journey and I guess anybody in this field probably has their Journey that's

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quite quite quite a quite a time but uh for me I guess when I was in younger I

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had lots of questions I had lots of questions for my primary care doctor and lots of things of what I can do to

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empower my health to make myself healthier and better um and so I just

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found over the over the years that I wasn't getting those questions answered um and really had that I guess I what I

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was really looking for was almost like a coaching kind of approach to healthcare and um over the years I kind

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kind of did my own thing and kind of worked with worked with Healthcare Providers and then uh eventually I was

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kind of brought to na naturopathic medicine and I kind of uh resonated with

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the philosophy and that it matched and was in alignment what I was looking for so that really motivated me um I also

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had some health challenges at the time too so I jumped into it with an

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naturopathic doctor and kind of worked on some some things and had a really good response in a in a fairly short

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period of time and uh and then I decided to continue on and do this for for my

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career all right is there a particular reason you you you went towards natural medicine rather than maybe

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conventional yeah well I was a biochemistry kind of focus in my undergrad degree and I was always

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thought I would go into research so I was really really kind of centered on going maybe into Pharmaceuticals or or

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working that industry and when it came down to it I I started having health problems so um and so I had things like

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concentration difficulties and and reading difficulties and those weren't

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things that really could be fixed with the conventional system I also had like overload kind of symptoms uh and so what

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I was kind of forced to look outside the box I guess uh after trying many many

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years of the conventional approach I was kind of searching and and I was really

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impressed with herbal medicine and all these things they were all very new to me and they had a

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pretty uh quick effect and and after that uh and as well as nutrition

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nutrition was a big part of my journey now and and doing all those changes had

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such a big Improvement in my concentration and my overload symptoms and and eventually was uh able to kind

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of uh get back on track with my with my health and and get finished off my

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undergraduate degree in in Biochemistry and uh then I decided I

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wanted to go that route I wanted to go the more of the nutritional route and work with people with these things that

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didn't fit in in the box and weren't being kind of slipping through the cracks good decision that's great I'm

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sure a lot of people have benefited from that decision that's awesome um just looking out through your website um on

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um perceptive Health you're in interests on your little bio include the gut brain connection autonomic balance in

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neurodiversity and anxiety triggerpoint injections and therapeutic ketogenic

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diet some interesting stuff there some really like big topics can you tell us a little bit more about the autonomic

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balance in neurodiversity and how that relates to mental health and maybe um

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explain a little bit like what autonomic means and maybe neurodiversity for people who are aren't super science

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yeah so the the topic of neurodiversity is quite a big topic came out I believe

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originally the the term kind of came from the autism Community actually and over the years that Community was very

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large and grown and quite supportive of looking at the brain as being uh

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different as possibly different uh just like we look at any trait in societ in

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our in biology we look on at what you know under a bell curve and and a lot of

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people fit under that bell curve but there's always going to be people on the outsides that might have different

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traits and really in experience the world a little bit differently so that's where neurodiversity came from and then

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a lot of practitioners are now kind of extending it to uh lots of different uh

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brain health conditions both mental health conditions and as well as as well

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as neurological conditions and what the nice thing about neurod University is that it really focuses our attention on

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some positive qualities that these differences in interpreting the world kind of bring and they also highlight

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the importance for support in certain areas as well so um so many people might

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experience uh lots of sensory sensitivities so we can support that but they also may have gifts and concentrate

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and focus and and getting things done and hyperfocusing we call that so so um

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so the the the approach there that I take is kind of like helping people unwind their nervous system and and and

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uh and how they can use their gifts and how they can support their things that

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they need to support now going into the autonomic nervous system um I've always

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found that fascinating and uh and I've done lots of research and I

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started off with anxiety and understanding anxiety from an autonomic perspective and I found that a lot of

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people and there's also a lot of research that were showing that something called heart rate variability

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in people with anxiety or other mental health conditions would often be different it might be a little bit

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lower and what that means is that there is the autonomic nervous system is in

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charge of our fight ORF flight nervous system and our rest and digest form of

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nerv nervous system there so so so just just just to back backtrack a little bit

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so when we're talking about autonomic you know that's one part of our nervous system which is like you know automatic

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as you say fight or flight you know it kind of it engages itself depending on you know what we

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foresee in our environment when we perceive a threat our autonomic nervous system kind of kicks into gear and it's

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kind of like always there ready to to go it's not something that we really have any control over

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I mean to some extent potentially we do but like you know it's really like it's put in there in a for a kind of survival

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mechanism can you kind of talk a little bit about like the foundational aspects of like

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the autonomic nervous system just to give people a little bit of intro you know you know what I mean yeah so on one

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side there's the sympathetic nervous system that's our fight or flight it's kind of the the side of and it controls

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all the fun functions in our body to help us respond to our environment when there's lots of stress so we've all

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experienced the fight or flight uh like we've um stood up in a public place to

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talk and we get that heart rate increasing we start to sweat we start to

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uh um lose maybe our concentration those are all a fight ORF flight and it's

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meant to really help you respond and uh to that to that stressful

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environment and get through it and then on the other side is our parasympathetics that's our I like to

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call the rest and digest system so that controls all of our calming properties

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restorative properties as well as our digestion it also slows the heart rate down so if you were to put like a a

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balance balancing beam when in with this model when the sympathetic nervous

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system is high and you're in a fight or flight this parasympathetic nervous system is going to be low so which makes

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sense and then we have to bring our parasympathetic nervous system up which is kind of like putting the brakes on

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the sympathetic fight ORF flight response and when we do that we calm that area down and the uh calming and

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and and rest and digest functions predominate that makes sense so if

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somebody just on this seesaw that you're saying so somebody is like in a really stressful month so the stress is really

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high you know workload family and all this and you got the rest and digest which is taking a bit of a back seat

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would that mean that um things like sleep and digestion there's not going to

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be as many resources allocated to those areas because everything's kind of like focusing on this stressful environment

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so therefore like you could be having some like digestive issues and some sleep issues yeah exactly

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so when that is out of balance we see a lot yeah we see people

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experiencing a lot of kind of anxiety low-grade anxiety and well can shift up to almost like a panic kind of feeling

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so we get that and as well on because that parasympathetic nervous system is

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down um we also get a lot of digestive upsets so we see people with either IBS

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like symptoms when when that and um constipation and and um and we also see

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people just having a hard time relaxing and a hard time sleeping as well so um

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it's a nice model to kind of check in with because it's our physiology and and

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um and nice thing about physiology is we can we can work on physiology and help improve

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it that's great yeah that makes that that makes a lot of sense so when it comes to you know working with someone

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with neurodiversity and that just kind of like I just break that word down for myself my my own personal understanding

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you know we're all obviously very very different in our makeup and especially our brain considering

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we'll we will grow up and in very very different environments so our brains you know wildly different even though you

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know kind of the same mechanisms and it's made up of the same stuff but you know my relationship to anxiety might be

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very different to somebody else is so when you're looking at the when you're looking at a client coming in and you

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you you're looking at that autonomic nervous system that that balance between the sympathetic and the parasympathetic

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how do you go about approaching kind of initially how diverse somebody

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is like what kind of where do they kind of like lean to in regards to their

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neurodiversity makeup is there a set of like questions or something there that you you would go

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through well when it comes to the neurodiversity it's more what the people are saying and their experiences and how

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they're connecting to the world so that comes a lot out in when people share their experience so with people in

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neurodiversity they might have uh for example the experience with attention

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difficulties and that might be manifesting more like an ADHD kind of picture and then others may have

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difficulties with socializing and uh communicating and uh like and and that

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might be more in the autism side of things

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um so that's where um we kind of bring the focus and

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there's lots of screening and screening questionnaires that you could do for that as well so uh for anxiety screening

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questionnaires for autism screening questionnaires and and things as sensory

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sensitivities there's lots of information there so we almost always kind of use use that to kind of see you

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know what Focus we need to be putting our effort towards then on the autonomic side of

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things we um can look at

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using biof feedback equipment and we can run things like the most common thing I run is a heart rate variability test so

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it's just a heart rate monitor and we look at the rate of their heart rate but we also look at the um how much it

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changes over time and that's one a really nice marker because it's something we could we can easily run in

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the office and it's something that we can um we can look at it and if it it tends

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to be on the Lower Side uh then we uh start to think that maybe there

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might be more sympathetic overload in that person and no matter what the

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health condition they're coming in for if they do have a lot of sympathetic overload then it might also mean that

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the parasympathetics are downregulated and we need that for for again our

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digestion calming ourselves down sleeping properly that kind of thing so

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we kind of combine the two things and we get it a snapshot thought of where we can improve and then we give people

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exercises to improve if they're if they're we find that there is a deficiency interesting when you say when

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you're using that heart rate um monitor when you say lower do you mean does that

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mean like a weaker signal or a weaker heartbeat or incoherence there what does that what does that kind of mean that

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that would lead you towards um a particular Focus

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there well there's a couple of different biomarkers that we can take calculations that we could take from the raw data and

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so it gives us a you know heart rate variability gives us a number and it might be say a 56 and that's kind of a

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common number and uh if all of a sudden we see like a 35 or anything like

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something like that um we may think that there's a lower heart rate variability

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so this is it's kind of a big concept to explain but when there is uh the heart

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rate variability is the ability for our brain to alter our heart rate so our

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heart will beat automatically all by itself and that's controlled by the heart when the brain

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kind of starts to modify the heart it creates this variability and the more variability the higher variability tells

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us there's more nervous system coming down saying start up slow down or

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involvement from the from the brain okay interesting and that's so a higher har variability is associated with high

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parasympathetics because that's what controls our heart rate and often slows it down so so if I all of a sudden see

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someone with a very low heart rate variability um then um we work on kind of support

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supporting them through through exercises like breathing exercises our most common thing to help to help

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strengthen it yeah I was going to ask you like there are a couple of like key things that people can do to yeah you

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know even when they start feeling the sensations of stress or anxiety you know I know that there are a couple of things

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that we can do quite quickly to help um engage or disengage that that stress fight or

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flight response and kind of bring in that rest and digest that you were talking about so you know breathing exercises is one of

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them yeah yeah it is and it's quite profound and what I really like too about when we do this heart rate

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variability stuff is often a live biof feedback so I can show people right then and there when you're doing

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the breathing work at your specific frequency um and it's often different

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for everybody and that's also very interesting and that it'll bring up the heart rate variability right there we

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can see it and and people feel the response so it really kind of makes us

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for me is really connected me with the importance of breath work and also finding the breath work pattern that

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works best for you for for the individual and that's there's lots of diversity in that some people uh require

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the most common breath uh frequency that we breathe is a say three seconds in and

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and a four seconds out most people will feel a relaxation response with that

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kind of warming in the hands is what you would look for uh less you know calmer

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sensation um whereas other people um they might have they're going to have a to

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so I just uh just cut out the feed there I can't hear you over time and it's

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something that and another thing too more I look at more I learned about heartway variability and autonomics more

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I realized that you have to think of it as like an exercise like going to the gym and continuing the practice and you

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need to continue practicing it for you know at least three to six weeks to to start to feel

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responses and a lot of research is showing up to up to 10 weeks is kind of needed so that reinforces the importance

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of just continuing on with it if you don't necessarily feel it as strongly right away all right is there a common

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some so say for some somebody who's coming in to see you who is engaged in a

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sympathetic fight flight nervous system response all like pretty much all the time and there some common physiological

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symptoms that you might see in that individual who is like constantly

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stressed and is like always in the sympathetic and and the parasympathetic is just like not really ever really

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involved yeah we're going to see lots of the heart rate might even be

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elevated so their their heart rate might slowly go up throughout the day as the sympathetics engage um even more

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throughout the day um that's G to be one big thing and it's often like you know

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it starts to go up and it might be sitting at say a heart rate of 90 throughout the day and moving around it

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might be over a hundred so we we look at that and say okay that that shows that that they're in sympathetic overload um

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but also just feelings of just difficulty breathing is another thing just like feeling of shortness of breath

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um and also digestive upset so a stomach ache um constipation is really common

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because these are all needed for your parasympathetics need need to be engaged

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to to digest yeah it certainly makes a lot of sense when you think about it as that seesaw where you've got that

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sympathetic side of things where you know it's obviously very important that we do have that nervous system engaged

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sometimes but we obviously want to be more focused on this parasympathetic side that's you know to do with rest

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digest repair and all those you know really good good things that we really need to be make sure happening in

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regards to you know feeling well and healthy and recovering um so that's yeah that's a really good um foundational

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insight into like the autonomic nervous system and neurodiversity uh thank you very much for that I think uh I'd love to talk

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more about the the gut brain connection another one of your interest and I think a lot of people are familiar with the

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gut brain connection I think over the last few years it's had a lot of um like traction kind of all over the place and

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I think a lot of people have probably just heard of it rather than really understanding what that connect ction

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actually is so could you give us maybe a little bit of a rundown to what the brain gut connection is and why it's

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important that people should you know be paying attention to it yeah so this is

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another area that's really fascinating and there's so many different ways uh that our brain and our gut are connected

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so the first is the gut brain connection so we've you know a lot of things are coming out of research showing that um

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our our gut and the health of our gut strongly correlates with the health of our brain

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um and we've also found that there is potentially connections um feeding back to the brain

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and actually might modify or modulate areas in our brain so one area one area

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that that could be is probiotics and bacteria in our microbiome in our gut our gut bacteria uh we think can that

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they produce uh neurotransmitters uh potentially neurotransmitters like Gaba or things

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that have a a relaxation effect and they feed back to the brain and might kind of calm areas of the brain um so and we

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also find that maybe P maybe what we call this biotic bacteria might also

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produce more excitatory things and cause our ourselves to feel a little more on edge so that's probably the most one of

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the most fascinating areas that I find uh because it really tells us the importance of working on our gut and

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sorting out the gut in order to alongside supporting our brain um there's also the connection

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between there's also what we call a nervous system connection through the baggus nerve and we think that maybe

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microbiome might be connecting through the vagus nerve and connecting with our brain that way and we also know that our

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brain connects through the vagus nerve with our gut as well um

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so there's also uh our our probiotics and microbiome they also influence

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nutritional status and they they produce things like E vitamins and folate which are also important for good uh brain

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health as well um so there's it's quite a v a vast area um the other area is the

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brain gut connection and how we uh kind of what we already talked about through

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the autonomic stuff but just the importance of how just balancing our brain also can help balance our gut yeah

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it's it's wild how much of our nervous system resides in our gut and then if

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you think about when you have a gut feeling about something you know that makes a lot of sense considering the

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outrageous amount of um nervous nervous tissue that we have inside of our gut that's absolutely connected I was going

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to ask you about like you know we obviously know that the body is so beautifully connected in ways that we'll probably never understand but there is

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that kind of pathway via the vagus nerve where the it seems that the brain and

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the gut communicate and yeah there's quite a bit a bit EV evidence now that shows that you know our microbiome you

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know microorganisms that reside in our gut actually you know use this as kind of like a highway and um that

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communication is is ongoing and I found in my in my nutrition practice that the the kind of more diverse and healthier

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somebody's microbiome is the um the better their you know kind of stress

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respon is and their nervous system and yeah it's just an interesting correlation and it's kind of a new yeah

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as you say it's a new area and more and more information is coming out day by day especially when um this

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the vast amounts of microorganisms that live in there and the different jobs that they do and how they interact with

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each other and then interact with our own cells it's h it's a quite remarkable

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field yeah quite a quite a neat expanding area and it's yeah a lot is coming out of research so it's an area

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that keep everybody should keep their eye on because we might be we're entering into this new area

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absolutely yeah absolutely what um what do you think people can do as kind of an initial step to begin

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um helping their gut and their brain connect in a healthier way like what what what are some things I can kind of

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do like right now that's going to support that powerful intimate

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connection yeah so there could be things like you know if we're deal not dealing with any major major you know bacterial

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overgrowths and stuff like that just supporting your microbiome through fermented foods and good soluble fiber

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uh can can really help Foster the diversity in in your gut so um yeah

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really emphasize the the the veggies and to give yourself soluble and insoluble

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fiber to help feed the bacteria U that will allow our bacteria and our colon to

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produce uh things like d acid to help fuel the colon cells and and also help

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create a better environment um so there's that side of things so really getting off of

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processed foods as much as possible and eating a Whole Food's diet really can switch uh as well as reducing sugar and

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you know going on some lower sugar kind of kind of diet simple sugars just

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getting away from them can really help because they also if you're feeding our microbiome our microbiome becomes we we

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select the microorganisms based on the food we're eating so if we're selecting

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eating a lot of sugary Foods we're selecting a lot of things that love sugar and those are often what we call

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the disbiosis bacteria yeah I think it's it's incredible how diverse our diets used to

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be and then how diverse our microorganisms used to be and then now like I think people probably consume

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maybe between I don't know 10 and 30 different foods a week you know not very diverse you know we we go to the same

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restaurants we shop in the we shop in the same places and kind of pick the same things and um sometimes our options

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are quite limited but yeah like in comparison to maybe let's say a couple hundred years ago where we would have an

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outrageous amount of food kind of around us growing and then now you know W with

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with the Technologies and everything of 2021 our populations are diversity and

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and our gut are somewhat maybe a little bit weaker yeah and the other thing I always I'm you too is like when we were eating

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more straight from our Gardens we were getting more of maybe the spore-based probiotics through just through a little

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bit of contamination which was good and so those also probably have an effect on

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human physiology as well yeah that's a really really really good point do you use any um like gut testing kits or have

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you got any experience with those yeah

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um the mo we do a lot of of bacterial overgrowth breath tests that's probably

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one of our biggest ones because it's it's it's a nice it's it's a something

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you can identify fairly quickly and easily um and then we do lots of comprehensive digestive analysis tests

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which uh look at the microbiome um diversity and we look at

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how diverse it is then we also look at par look for parasites and see if they're present um we look at the stool

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chemistry to see if there's blood in the stool but also inflammatory markers in the gut

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lining um and we also look at how well uh we're

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digesting our food look for any undigested food to determine if we might need to

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support enzymes as well yeah so we do quite a bit of that as well that's great

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it's probably a lot of encouraging people to take a look in the toilet b a little bit more right because it can it can tell you a hell of a lot yeah it's

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pretty it ends up being pretty fascinating um some we've also worked in the past a lot a little bit with

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um the the microbiome through genetic testing as well in this in the stool in

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the stool and that's also come back with some pretty fascinating results too amazing awesome well I'd love to switch

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up a little bit and talk about um your clinical experience using M Power Plus know our Flagship product here at trueu

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Hope Canada um yeah can you tell us a little bit about your your experience um using that product and and how and how

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it supported your clients yeah well over the years I've always done lots of research and kind of

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a you know and as an naturopathic doctor understood the importance of good nutrition and just overall supporting

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the body is being a really good first step and so that's always kind of been my My Philosophy for treating the brain

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is is first just like looking for nutritional deficiencies and clarifying nutritional deficiencies and I've always

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has been impressed with the amount of research out there that there is on nutritional deficiencies um as being

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important for our brain health so that kind of was nice that's that's kind of

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how I use the true whole product the EMP is I I dose people you know with a nice good high high dose of it to clarify

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common nutritional deficiencies um I also really like it because it does contain lots of things

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in it and and sometimes it can be hard to when someone is experienc in kind of

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anxiety or a mental health condition could be hard to take a bunch of different things so if I just say take

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from one bottle take three of three amp twice a day or even three times a day in

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some cases then it just seems to be easier and we can and people can do it

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at the beginning a lot easier um so I like the way it also has the antioxidants and and as as well as as

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the and the minerals and the nutrients and overall so if someone is for example

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having digestive upset I often will treat the digestive system and then we will put in the the micro the nutrients

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after um and I do treat a lot of digestive stuff um so so that's kind of

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how I how I approach it I I find that the people who have been on the EMP for long periods of time end up supporting

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their they tend to be more symptom free in the long term and they tend to be

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managing better um and that's just from my clinical experience uh from using EMP

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and why I continue to use it interesting yeah I think that um in my personal experience as well the fact that you

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know going to see an naturopathic doctor or going to see a health practitioner for a specific reason and then you know

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going then continuing to do work to help heal yourself and that can sometimes be

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like a you know a difficult thing to to undertake so if you're you know if you're if you're um adding a

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micronutrient that's going to support your brain health it's certainly going to help you be able to deal with the

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kind of added extra things you have to do in your life to you know to to become conscious and aware of and to to keep

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those things up I've certainly found that to be um to be very very helpful whilst people are you know making kind

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of big Health changes so that's really yeah that's that's a really important part and I and I I love what you're

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saying about the um the fact that know a lot of people who do have digestive

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issues who do have like an inflamed gut and once you kind of can help Rectify that and bring that inflammation down a

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little bit taking a micronutrient supplement that's really bioavailable can really you know help

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people who do have compromised digestive systems be able to absorb some more

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nutrients and the fact that yeah it's you know it's so many ingredients inside of this just one product that people are

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going to be getting you know kind of a full rounded um holistic product that's

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going to be able to sort them in support them in many different ways when did you

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when did you first hear about EMP or true hope Canada when how did it come across your um

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awareness um well I heard about it when I first started practicing and then and then I practiced with another doctor

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that was using it quite a bit um and then and then you know more so I started

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gravitating towards things that were just things that were easier for the patients to to do I was doing a lot of

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like individual things when I first started practicing like just individual nutrients and okay that would be the

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multivitamin it was multi multi pill bottles multi bottles

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yeah yeah and and it was just I was getting really just some bad low compliance and and and difficulties with

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people with the routine right and it seemed like it was their entire day was just dedicated to taking their stuff

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throughout the day when there was more than like five or six bottles to get that nutrient so then I started to think

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of ways I could simplify it and about three years ago I really just started I I started I'm just gonna focus on on

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getting the nutrient status up with the EMP and and it just made it easier for

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the clients and I still at the same point we'll still do specific nutrients to do to help with in

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properties and stuff throughout throughout the the process um but yeah

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it's really simplified my treatment and and made it more effective and people stick with their treatment longer as

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well yeah we find it to be really supportive for kind of like most people you know originally designed as a

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product to support people with bipolar disorder but we found out that you know this wild wild spectrum of of um mental

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disorders and even just kind of like mild stress we find it to be as you say

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supportive across that spectrum and the fact that you know you would add something more specific to to that kind

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of treatment regiment that would um that would connect with that particular case

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yeah it's just like a really great foundational nutritional level and you know we've kind of we kind of touched on the quality of the food and the the soil

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that we have today I honestly believe that you know everybody could benefit from a product from a micronutrient that

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that's you know that's well made and and has a lot of science science to back it up as a good quality product I think

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that we can all benefit from that foundational nutrition and if it's something that we can take in a capsule that we can take every day that's kind

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of easy and a lot simpler that's um it's going to support a lot of people do you

34:44

um H how do you feel like a micronutrient product can support that gut brain connection that we're talking

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about

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yeah well that's a good in that's an interesting question um a lot of the times when we

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are we in certain phases of our digestive protocols we really want to support the micronutrient status because

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we're not we may have not been absorbing the minerals for example in our stomach acid is is low um for a long periods of

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time we may not have been absorbing things like zinc and magnesium and and

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all these things that we need and so when we get people their guts sorted out

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we then put them on some micronutrients and it really helps kind of replete

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their system again the way I think about it um I'm especially interested with minerals I think minerals are really

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important for the brain and ways we're just learning and and how I find I wonder if when

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someone has compromised digestive system if if their mineral status has been low for a long period of time so so yeah and

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that's so these key nutrients that they've been missing out get repleted pretty quickly after we and get sort out

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the underlying contributing factors to their gut health yeah that makes a lot of sense because we obviously have a lot

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of bacteria and other microorganisms that um produce and

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manufacture micronutrients certain micronutrients for us that we can't really do as humans on our own um so

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taking taking a product that is you know bioavailable and you know e very easily absorbed can help

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know deal with the the current digestive things that are going on then once you can deal with those and start increasing

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that microbiome diversity and you know start allowing those um bacteria that do

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all those wonderful jobs for us that's just going to be able to support you on your way to um you know kind of healing

36:47

as you say like the the root bigger things absolutely well I'd love to kind

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of finish off I just I had a little look through the website um the morning and I noticed you've got a a free 3-day gut

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health like diet program video series could you tell us a little bit about that because that's I think that's a

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great resource that people can um get to to you know start learning a little bit

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more about their their gut health and what they can actually do you know like it's it's it's good to know but knowing

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how is even even more powerful yeah so what we have in our website is just uh it's kind of like an

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example of what we give at our office but we always give you know at least one to two week meal plans so it's three

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it's the three-day meal plan which and which is primarily like a therapeutic

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diet for for the gut so it's full of fermentable foods and lots of

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antioxidants and things that help coat the gut and Soo the gut and uh it has a

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shopping list of all of you just kind of take it to your health food store fill the shopping list and and all the

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recipes on how to do it and even has a calendar on how to like on what days so a lot of people will do will will get

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that they'll make up their food for the entire week or the three days and you

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can even triple it up and and have your food for the entire week if you want and uh and then carry it out and it's fun

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foods that are easy to make um and uh that might be a little bit different

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than what you would normally eat so that's on our website and then uh we

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usually send uh we always we send a a nice webinar on our gut health kind of

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the gut brain connection and bacterial overgrowths and just a presentation on

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with pictures and stuff on how that uh how our how just explaining that and how we treat it as well cool is there is

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there a a a type of person who who you think would be really really get the

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best out of that there a specific person who might be experiencing a certain certain symptom or you know or can any

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everybody benefit from it um yeah I think someone who's just

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has uh digest you know just wanting to support their Digestive Health overall would be a good candidate for that and

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uh and um yeah it's amazing just we always say like nutrition our gut health

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and My Philosophy is kind of like the foundation of good health so there's just it almost like anybody can really

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benefit from just supporting themselves with Foods so it's a pretty broad spectrum one for for anybody that wants

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to just get going on their guide help awesome beautiful Nathan that's great well how can people connect with

39:41

you well just uh through our website perceptive

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yeah I do remote sessions uh nowadays with tele medicine being so uh popular

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we do it we we can meet through like an online chat environment and uh we can

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work on things that way as well perfect well I'll make sure that all that information is available for our

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listeners um thank you so much for taking the time today I really appreciate it it's I think yeah we could

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have spoken for hours about the gut brain connection and neurodiversity separately like such massive new

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fascinating topics so I really appreciate you um giving us kind of like the lowdown and introducing those topics

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to us with with um you know such great information so I really appreciate your time today yeah well was nice meeting

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you and thanks uh for having me of course thank you so much well um for more information about anything that

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