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okay Dr camell welcome to the show thank you so much for being with us really appreciate it hey doing I am doing

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amazing thank you so much Simon for having me today no that's great I'm excited to uh really get into it so why

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don't you just first up tell us a little bit about your backstory into Medicine sure so my previous life I actually used

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to be with the RCMP and I dealt with a lot of you know things that you cannot unsee so my own journey I had a lot of

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um panic attacks I mean to say it lightly I'd wake up you know the middle of the night waking up thinking I'm

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having a heart attack and fast forward um a girl that I was working with in my

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uh forensic lab she actually said to me you know you should really go see this naturopathic doctor that I'm working

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with because she was going through some fertility stuff and at that time I had no idea what that even meant and what

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who that even was and so um I discovered uh this amazing woman in Ottawa and 8

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months later I was pretty much off of all of my medications that I was prescribed and in that moment I knew my

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time at RCMP had come to an end and I started the Journey of my applications and what have you and fast forward 16

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years later here we are wow what quite the journey yeah so

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from you were you taking medications from primarily from what you were experiencing through work as as an LCM

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exactly yeah I was taking ad like it was candy I was basically living on that stuff and I was given you know satal

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pram then I was given proac I was given all these different types of medications but nothing was helping for me at the

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time and is that is that like a you think that's a common thing for a lot of our CMP people who are extremely common

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for people that are First Responders and not just I mean I see people from Whole host of walks of life you know nurses

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we're looking at um firefighters you know know when people are in traumatic type of situations how do you go home to

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your family you you do I mean there is a special breed I have to tell you with RCMP people that they're incredible

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humans they can literally block it out but not everybody can and I was one of those people that literally could not

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function anymore wow and in regards to obviously

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we know about um know the prescriptions of certain Pharmaceuticals be

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anti-depressants or anti psychotics what whatever that might be do you think because you know you're trying to get

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that officer or you're trying to get that individual back out into the field to be okay do you think there's a a

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quick prescription for these things within that industry or is it Sim like similar if you know if you went into a

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doctor's office with with with PTSD or other conditions see that's a that's an interesting question because you know

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how do we get people to function but yet still go back to what they know as their normal so we have to find that balance

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balance between what are they willing to do and what are they willing not to do

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so when I work with these individuals it really boils down to what is the other work that you're going to do that's

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outside of the office so let's get you in that state that mental state of Peace

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literally amongst the chaos so I often talk about you know meditation but to me meditation is not sitting down for 30

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minutes and doing all whatever it is that you're going to do it's more than that it's about as you're walking as

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you're in your work of absolute chaos how can I Center how can I be absolutely

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in the moment get what I need the information that I need with all eyes open so that's how I try to get to teach

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um the you know these these people that I work with in that regard I don't know if that makes any sense at all yeah no

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it certainly does and it's um yeah it's really tricky it's really difficult especially for those officers who are

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doing such a incredible job but you know there's no there's no training and

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there's no there's no brain training to be able to deal with that type of thing and you say there's a rare individual who can do that but you there's no

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training for you know seeing terrible things exactly and you know we're just

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not we're not really programmed that that way to to deal with those things so yeah it must it's more than obviously

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just you know trying to change the biochemical diversity of of somebody to

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help deal with that there has to be therap IES and protocols and things that

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you have to do to really help and yeah and I also talk about what are people's

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Outlets you know going home and having a glass of wine going home and having that you know bottle of beer or whatever we

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know alcohol is a depressant we are absolutely aware of that that's been around for for ages or you know CBD or

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you know any any of these you know things that we can you know get to a point where we can actually abuse these items then we follow into this this trap

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that ends up becoming literally the death of our brain yeah it's it's severe and

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especially over the past 12 to 14 months a lot of um people who are on the front

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line having to deal with not just obviously the the standard things that come with being a first responder but

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these there so much extra happening right now which is just a significant

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stressor and to say the least yeah and um I put out a video a few weeks ago in regards to you know you can be as stoic

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as you want but there's there's everybody's experienced anxieties and stress and there are people that can

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seemingly block it out I feel like a lot of people can suppress it better than others but yeah at some point it's

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coming up and it's going to manifest whether that's psychologically or physically exactly and we all should be

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really super conscious about like the things that we are exposed to and um

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yeah an our CP officer who is physically see seeing those stresses but like there are stresses all around us at the moment

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whoever you are and we all have some sort of practice to be able to just be

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able to ease our minds and be able to bring bring parity and be become a little bit more centered exactly so you

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specialize in rare disease which is very very interesting can you tell us a little little bit about what led you

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into that that specialty absolutely so about 10 years ago I had the pleasure of

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meeting uh gentleman who had Fab disease and at that time I had no idea what Fab disease even was and and through that I

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realized there is zero information when it comes to Nutritional Health and the

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health of people who actually have a rare genetic disease whether that be fabri or PR willly or goet disease so

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I've had the privilege of working with all these different types of diseases now but at the time there was Zero

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information and as a naturopathic physician there was no other colleagues of mine that did this work at all and so

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you know thankfully he was super open to trying different things with me and I was just basing it on

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physiology and the change that he got was absolutely incredible night and day

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so when he first came to me he could not uh leave the house he had diarrhea and

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literally it was like 20 times a day so his normal life he he used to be a biker like would do the grand Fondo was unable

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to do that um you know and he could not physically go to the office he could only work from home I mean now this is a

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normal thing but back then it wasn't and and so when we looked at you know his

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disease and what that meant literally it was trial and air he's like you know how about we try changing your diet this way

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you know let's let's take away something like a chemical component called Kagen and that alone I had no clue what kind

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of impact that was going to have on him lifechanging it literally stopped diarrhea and he came in a month later

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absolutely shocked his wife came in totally shocked like H how what happened like how did this what is this chemical

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I mean when you look at something some like Kagan it it's not that harsh it's you know it comes from seaweed it's a

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it's a stabilizer it's it's a binder and what have you but for some people that have that gut imbalance or that gut

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microbiome that is either missing an actual Gene that they require to break down fat that could be something toxic

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that we don't even realize it's in everything it's in toothpaste it's in yogurt it's in ice cream it's in

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everything that you know needs stability and so from that moment on is when he

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introduced me to you know other patients with fabri disease and then through the fabri organization I got to learn about

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other uh different genetic disease I got to a chance to go to different conferences and and since then it's just

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been a a whirlwind of Education for me like exponentially this is stuff you

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never learned in school we I think had one class on there's something called rare diseases but that was it there was

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nothing else wow we had yeah we had um just hearing you speak there we had um Dr bunny Kaplan on the show a couple of

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months ago and she was talking about you know she's she was um she's been a researcher in the field of mental health

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and micronutrients for 40 years she's retired now but even back you know when

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she she started in the 70s the discussion between even just mental illness something super common and

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nutrition was just not you wouldn't even put those two together yeah yeah so the

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and then even now like it's still you know still a little bit of a you know it's not something you would go into research for but it must be so difficult

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to look up literature for rare diseases that are really specific and rare and

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you know micronutrient supplementation or just the idea of like nutrition it's not just difficult it doesn't exist okay

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yeah yeah well there you go that's a that's that's that's a problem because obviously we know how genetics play in

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regards to how well we're able to uptake nutrition how um our genetics play a part in how our our gut might become

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inflamed again reducing our ability to absorb nutrition so absolutely it's such

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a huge factor and yeah hopefully that in the future with um your work and F

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further research that people are inspired to look at these these rare individuals and just because they're

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rare it shouldn't obviously shouldn't there's a there's a few researchers in Toronto right now and and a couple of

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the of the pharmaceutical um companies that we're trying to organize a

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potential research uh opportunity with exactly that with you know how does food

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impact the the medication that these people are on like a lot of these people on something called enzy replacement

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therapy and they're going to be on this for life and it happens every two weeks it's an infusion happens for them and

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what we're trying to what I'm trying to propose is can we create some type of

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research and you know there's a few people in this uh in this world who have this disease where they're willing to be

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part of it h how does food play a role in impacting their response to the drug

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so I don't want to touch the drug obviously you can't but I want to know can we make it work better can we not

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like there has to be a way absolutely we're figuring that out right now that's cool and even just getting these

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individuals together to kind of track like what they do and don't eat and finding the commonalities there that

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could just be an interesting place to start because most people's diets most people's diets isn't brilliant and it's

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not super diverse so it could actually be know it could be a quite easy thing to figure out yeah yeah um so there's

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yeah there's no question over the last year you know it's caused a lot of increase in disease within many

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different people so can you can you maybe explain the fundamentals of how our emotions for example fear is

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connected to the manifestation of disease we all know fear protects us prepares us to react to Danger once we

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sense that potential danger our body will release our hormones right that will either slow or shut down our functions not needed for survival like

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the digestive system so imagine that someone's in this feier state all the

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time how the hell are they going to digest their food it all of a sudden doesn't happen you know the you know

12:30

sharpening functions that that help us survive such as eyesight our heart rate increases in fear our blood flows to the

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muscle so that we can actually run faster so imagine that all the time so our body will increase the flow of

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hormones to you know the part of the brain called the amydala and that's what's going to help us focus on

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presenting the danger stor in our memory right that's what amydala does but what does Fear then end up doing if it's all

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the time especially in this last you know year and a bit that I've been working with patients the fear that I

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have seen in the office it is beyond what Corona virus is and I've been often

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saying this last year and a half it's not Corona that's going to get you it's your fear that's going to get you is

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what I've seen with fear so far it will weakens your immune system it'll cause cardiovascular damage GI problems like

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ulcers IBS fertility I've had you know patients not being able to get pregnant all of a

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sudden and this is not an accident this is not a coin coincidence you know it can it Fear Can impair also formation of

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long-term memories and cause that damage to certain parts of our brain like the hippocampus right and and this can make

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it even more difficult for us to regulate our feel and leave a person even more anxious and and most of the

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time and to someone in chronic fear the whole world looks really scary and

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unfortunately I've had you know one of my own family members you know not do very well in this pandemic which is my

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midal daughter that that fear can really interrupt um process in a brain to allow

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us to regulate our emotions and that those non-verbal cues and information

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that we can that are presented all of a sudden we're no longer to interpret anymore we we it literally leaves us um

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impulsive like we'll end up with impulsive reactions uh oftentimes you know and then and then the fatigue the

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the fatigue that actually ends up happening everyone talks about Co fatigue but I think it's more than that

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it's the fear that we've had that's caused that fatigue for us and then the post-traumatic stress that I've been

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dealing with in the last year has been tremendous so mean to answer your

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question how is it connected it's absolutely connected you know without us

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being able to manage that fear alone that that that that mental issue of we

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are going to be okay our body is responding every single day every single

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minute and when I've seen those disharmonies it is absolutely

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detrimental yeah it can be devastating and in such a quick period of time um you know I think I I say this probably

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every third podcast but know I think it's important to reiterate that we've certainly evolved to be able to

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experience fear and stress as a response to our external world you know so that

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we see a we see a line coming we've got the ability to Galvanize our resources to to to fight to flee or to freeze and

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we we our body can do that in a really really quick period of time you know like you you slam on your brakes because

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a deer runs across the street you feel that you feel that biochemistry surging

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through your veins instantaneously it's remarkable and it happen so so quickly

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because we've evolved to be able to do that yeah but we've been able we've evolved to be able to do that in such a

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short period of time like literally minutes we've been able to like get keep this thing going sustainably and then

16:06

we're supposed to be able to reset and you know get on with our lives and carry on walking through the forest or

16:12

whatever but yeah as you say like you know you've got this really interesting back story and back history and

16:18

education in Biochemistry so can you maybe talk a little bit about like the biochemical changes absolutely between

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like between those two things so when we're in that state of fear like you just spoke about running away from a

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tiger imagine that every day so our adrenals are the ones that's responsible for secreting out the right amount of

16:37

cortisol that we need on a regular basis when you look at the biochemistry of that what are the other implications of

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that when we have that rise and cortisol the next thing to come is the pancreas

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is got is turns on and says oh my God I need to be able to run so what does it do the beta cells are going to secrete

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insulin now you combine those two cortisol and Insulin now together those are now catabolic hormones that are

17:03

going to allow us to run but if we don't actually have an actual tiger or a bear in front of us and we're not actually

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running we're just sitting on the sofa and we've got that that process going on

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what have we been doing we've been eating or we've been gravitating towards

17:20

something so then we now have this insulin that's sitting in our system has to go somewhere into our cells so but

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how is it going to get there that that process almost then almost

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shuts off but then we end up eating something like sugar or we go towards those donuts or we have that alcohol or

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whatever the hell have you then what we're doing is pushing that insulin further into the cell that we're at

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least we trying to it's almost like imagine a bowl of fruit that you have you can only fit so much fruit but you

17:50

keep adding more and more fruit it's going to spill over so that spilling over now is what causes the muscles

17:56

literally to break down in our body literally will deteriorate so we've been losing lean muscle mass and then what we

18:05

are seeing more and more is G weight gain obesity insulin resistance all of

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that all of a sudden is implicated from what start was the fear initially that

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we weren't able to manage we weren't able to actually handle that's just a simplified version of course but there's

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a lot more to it than that but no that was that was that was perfect yeah and yeah it's just such

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a yeah just living in such a fearful State and we I think I feel we we all have such a big responsibility in

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regards to like what we expose ourselves to yes you know like turning on CNN

18:41

every morning you're going to be scared especially over the last 12 14 months and you're Mak you're literally

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making that choice and is there a addictive element behind this bio

18:52

chemistry because we could easily like you know people don't want to be scared people don't want to be in fear but like

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it's almost like they can't take their eyes off the screen or the you know the

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the the fear and stress that's going on around us you know because we're is there an addictive element to this

19:11

absolutely and you know it's that oh I don't want to know but I do need to know because I'll be talking at work or you

19:17

know my family's going to be seeing something then I'm not going to know what's going on so it's this element of needing to know but not wanting to know

19:25

but I need to know and I often tell patients to me a need means if you don't

19:31

get something you're going to die so for example oxygen we need it without it we're going to be dead water we can only

19:37

go maybe 24 48 hours without it and then we're pretty much toast food we can go a

19:42

couple of months it's not an issue so when I ask patients exactly what you're saying like do you really have to watch

19:48

CTV every single day at 6:00 pm or whatever news CNN whatever it is that you're deciding is that a real need or

19:56

is it a want because you know it's that Perpetual cycle that cortisol goes up again that insulin goes up and then you

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go for that bottle of wine or whatever it is that I'm discussing with that person I'm just saying using an example

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because there was a patient yesterday actually that we were having this discussion you know at the end of it we realize where does that come from it's

20:15

our society you know we we have other family members that mean well and I use

20:20

that in quotes mean well we don't realize that the impact that those

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meaning well individuals actually have on us absolutely yeah and it's yeah it's

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such a such a difficult thing for a lot of people to pull that pull literally their eyes away from and to actually try

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and maybe take that 5 10 15 minutes to do something else yeah it's actually a

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little bit more R I've been prescribing a lot of Comedy I'm like who is your favorite comedian go watch that show

20:54

Friends back in the day go put on a silly episode if you really must watch

20:59

something remember Seinfeld there's a lot yeah there's a lot of research and science for you know laughter and you

21:06

know and because obviously it triggers a completely different part of your brain which is going engage different

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biochemistry so absolutely that's a really great prescription for sure um in

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your practice are you seeing any um increase in any anything specific over

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the like covid related over the last year and a bit that's the fear I mean the the fear the

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the the insomnia oh my goodness the insomnia I've seen is absolutely tremendous and heart palpitations

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finally enough people zero history of anything of the sort this is

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where um I've actually increased my usage of the true hope minerals the EMP

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funnily enough so I mean I've always used uh EMP minerals but my use of it

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has skyrocketed in the last eight to 12 months here and the thing is that that

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that when you ask if there's an increase there's an increase in panic there's an increase in fear there's an increase in

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how the hell am I going to go on for another month you know I mean last year I was telling people you've got to be

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prepared for 18 months to two years of this and fast forward we're still in it we're not going anywhere if you look at

22:24

the normal virus cycle this is what viruses do and and so to get that around people's head

22:32

has been very challenging to say the least and it's also a big habitual

22:38

change to be able to absolutely do these new different things that you know if there's a if there's something going on

22:45

external well that's affecting everybody that you know is really affecting us psychologically and physically we should

22:52

be trying to do our best to adapt to that new thing in our environment and being aware of How It's affecting us and

22:59

changing us yes so yeah if somebody is experiencing insomnia heart palpitations fear Panic you know these are all

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examples that your sympathetic nervous system is just like on go ready to go

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because if you've got a lion chasing you you you don't want to be sleeping your heart is going to be doing irregular things you're going to be fearful you

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know like it makes when you break here when you you know intellectually break it down in regards to like what you're

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experiencing in how your nervous system is programmed it makes absolutely perfect sense

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um but yeah it's uh it's it's a tricky thing because you know we're we can all associate ourselves with what being

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scared is and what being stressed is and experiencing fear but it's it's it's

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chronic and we're drowning in it absolutely and this is where I found uh EMP to be so critical if I may talk

23:48

about that even that that what I have seen in practice is obviously the

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situation is not changing in but physiologically biochemically it's taken

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the edge off for people if that makes any sense like the charge of it is

24:07

different meaning that like I had um this big CEO person on on Thursday tell

24:14

me that you know ever since he started taking the EMP he can watch the news

24:20

still but he no longer has a heart palpitations he can then shut it off and

24:25

say I'm done like he couldn't do that before like yeah there was this like you

24:30

talk about that that craving of constantly having to watch it more and more and more like the alcoholic that

24:37

has to have that one small drink it never works that way right so his incessant need for that news has just

24:45

taken a bit of a step back I mean he still watches it but that need of it has

24:50

changed for him that's interesting so powerful that's interesting yeah the

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whole the whole being stressed thing you know it's so depleting for our resources

25:00

because our body is just constantly trying to gather everything that it can to help us get through the situation and

25:06

you know I think most people should be taking a micronutrient supplement like M Power Plus anyway many different reasons you know

25:13

like our food isn't the same as it was we've got crazy amounts of extra toxins in our environment and we live minus

25:21

covid we live in a stressful World anyway so our brain and our body is you know using all of our resources at a

25:27

quicker rate so we need to be replacing these but yeah you throw Co in with this you know just giving yourself that

25:34

micronutrient supplement to give your brain and your body these extra ingredients to be able to maybe take a

25:39

breath and take that step to maybe make a different response like you like this this this person you're talking about

25:45

yeah that's it just gives you that I feel extra briefly you briefly touched on environmental impact and

25:51

environmental impact if you look at the data that has been out for years and years now even in in Europe like what

25:59

chemicals are allowed in our Fields here is not allowed in Europe illegal in

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Europe yeah in Europe exactly and it's so interesting a few years ago I went my

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sister lives in Basel Switzerland and I went to go visit her and you know just for the hell of it I love going through

26:16

the grocery store aisles in different countries just to see what's on the label the label I was shocked for

26:22

cornflakes was different the Kellog's cornflakes box that we all know about the label was completely different in

26:29

Europe than it is in Canada and at that time I had no idea like what is going on here it wasn't until I did you know

26:36

really dug into this that realize the you know the the hold that we have here

26:42

is it what we allow for us and our children and in our as as human beings

26:50

here on in North America is completely polar opposite to what Europeans will

26:56

allow for their for their people yeah there's definitely an Insidious side in regards to legislative procedure

27:03

for yeah we could do a whole show on that but yeah exactly you're absolutely right yeah like I go I lived in Sweden

27:09

for many years and then I moved to Canada and I used to love Saturdays going for a a coffe they call it fer in

27:16

Sweden when you go for a coffee and you you have a you have like a couple of pastries or something and then on a

27:22

Saturday they real pastries made with grass-fed butter pastries like if ourant

27:27

here were actually with grass fed butter am I consider it absolutely and then you you come here and it's like you have you

27:33

know you just you just feel crappy after having having something here so yeah like there's absolutely no there's no

27:38

doubt about it that yeah and even for like not even for like a few years some of these things are illegal in Europe we're talking like a decade chemicals

27:45

that are sprayed on some crops in Europe yeah absolutely just not allowed there but toally fine in North America it's

27:51

yeah it's a it's a wild topic but yeah it's a you know it's an that's another big discussion that I've had with my

27:56

patients here during this pandemic too is that you know let's look at the quality of food that we're having you

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know what is it that you're actually getting and you know we're very lucky here right now that you know it's really

28:07

warm and we're able to if you happen to have a garden or or a couple of pots you can grow a couple of veggies on your own

28:13

and this way you control what is actually going into that

28:18

soil yeah it's we we again we have a lot of responsibility and we certainly can

28:23

take a look at our diets and whether um we're actually obtaining nutrition from

28:29

these things or are they just are they just more fuel to the fire what's your um can you just tell us a little bit

28:35

about your history with true hope Canada and Empower plus like how it how it came into your um life and into your practice

28:43

absolutely it was actually a few years ago a patient of mine who was already on it um and I asked her like what are the

28:49

you know what are the medications that you're taking she's like I only take this one thing and it it has changed my life I'm like well what is it and so she

28:56

told me about it and I'd never heard of it never didn't even know it existed and so then I started researching it started

29:02

looking it up and dig a bit more digging is uh you guys also had that olive leaf extract that I had already had my father

29:09

on from his heart attack issues and uh and fast forward I started implementing

29:16

it with various different individuals who were having whatever different type of mental health issue whether that be

29:21

you know add to not not traditionally diagnos as ad just trouble focusing or

29:28

that that little bit of depressive episodes that you know some patients would get during the winter months like

29:34

just for S it's not just about vitamin D I thought why don't I try this and the

29:40

the change and the effect it has had on my patients has done a 180 in my

29:46

practice it's been the most incredible thing I've been able to uh

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Implement wow it has been a game changer but even in my own house so like

29:57

I was uh I briefly mentioned earlier about my middle daughter there who has really struggled in this pandemic I

30:04

started her on this last year in the summer when I just couldn't take her anymore and it completely reset her I

30:11

mean she's still obviously nervous and scared I mean it's that part of it has not gone away but she's able I can

30:18

actually go out now with a walk with her without her being petrified and leaving the house it's been amazing in my own

30:25

household I'm one it's wonderful to hear that I'm so happy to hear that that's great have you seen it um

30:31

support most people like is there a common thing that you I mean do you give it to everybody is there you know is

30:37

there something you're having a conversation with you're having a a session with somebody and you know when

30:43

does it pop into your mind you know because you're obviously having a one-on-one intake with somebody and then there are someone's telling you about

30:48

their things and your mind goes to different places what might work what might not when does it pop into your mind when you're talking to

30:55

somebody I always do blood work first before I give anybody anything I always

31:02

take a look at what is the liver enzymes doing what is a blood sugars doing what is you know their level of inflammation

31:09

in the body once we have that uh in front of me and then we are discussing

31:15

you know their emotional state their their stress levels what they do for a living their work that that type of

31:20

stuff so it really depends on the individual was it something for everybody absolutely not I don't believe

31:26

in that anyway but it's more when when patients know

31:32

intellectually that there is something that's missing for them or they know intellectually like I just can't shake

31:39

this out of me right now and I need something to help me shake it if that makes sense that's the person that I

31:45

give EMP to when they know themselves like their motivation to do their normal

31:51

stuff that they used to have as Outlets is gone or they used to be someone that would go for runs and just haven't been

31:56

able to because they just are too depressed or just not the motivation is

32:02

not there those are the patients I find that really benefit from EMP just help

32:07

lift that Spirit again and get them to reset again that's really cool I love that

32:14

start higher dosages and and I have actually some individuals that's been on it for a year or so now and they're like

32:19

I'm not coming off it I'm just going to take one a day it's been awesome that's great and

32:26

um it's so obviously important you know as a as a doctor or as a practitioner or

32:31

even as a even as a patient it's important that we you know learn about the things that we're we're taking and

32:37

you know really getting involved in our Healthcare how important is it as um a doctor or practitioner that you keep up

32:43

with the most like recent literature especially around nutrition and disease

32:48

treatment and management I would say you take a shower every day don't you it's absolutely

32:55

critical this is a this is non-negotiable so you know and of all the my colleagues

33:02

and stuff that we that I uh you know have the pleasure of meeting over the years we constantly are sharing research

33:09

articles back and forth constantly every day that's what I do before I go to bed I'm supposed to read something else I

33:15

don't I always have my rule of thumb has always been three Journal articles a week that's just the way it is and one

33:21

of my professors actually taught me that years ago and he said you know as a practitioner to keep up with literature

33:27

is very difficult but if you you know tell yourself I'm going to read you know one article a week two articles a week

33:33

where it doesn't matter what you decide to do you do that you will be a better

33:39

practitioner and be able to change as things change we and I've always told my kids you want to be like the willow tree

33:45

that bends you don't want to be that stiff board that was only one way you do that you're going to break in your

33:51

toast interesting an allergy I like that yeah yeah even as uh know even when I I

33:57

started listic nutrition at Pacific Rim College which was a really comprehensive three-year program and I had a really

34:03

wonderful Professor who who taught research and it was primarily about how to research research yes which is

34:10

obviously even more important you know because you can you know the the the ability for even anyone to kind of

34:17

cherry-pick and you know kind of get the answer they're looking for in a research paper you know it can be you know it's

34:22

it's quite easy to do yeah so being able to actually like decipher that and actually you know know not just jump to

34:29

the conclusion and looking at the title you know really get getting into it you know that's a really important part but it's um I don't see why you know there

34:36

are some terminologies and there are some things in there but like I don't see why anybody can't you know look into

34:43

what they're going through and you know looking going on to PubMed or going onto these other applications and looking

34:49

looking for these and diving into the research a little bit better I think

34:54

that's um not only is it really accessible but but I think that if you can get over like how sometimes they

35:01

look a little bit complicated and some of the charts and you know the P numbers and stuff like it can it can look a

35:06

little bit intimidating but with a little B resources that we have now versus what we had like 25 years ago

35:13

it's amazing there is absolutely no reason anymore that we can't access information like science direct is

35:19

probably one of my easy goto for for patients all the time because it's easy to understand

35:25

information that they really are able to break that down effectively for General

35:31

people to to read so that's often what I will direct my patients to wonderful

35:37

yeah that's great given your training in in a moral sustainable natural treatment

35:43

process does your you know quite unique ability to write pharmaceutical

35:48

prescriptions give you a different perspective over the the power of both

35:53

Pharmaceuticals and natural compounds because it's you know it's kind of rare that a practition has got vast

35:59

experience in both of those absolutely because there's a time and place for everything I myself had gone through a

36:06

period of my life where I 100% needed those Pharmaceuticals you know without that I'm not sure I would have been

36:11

alive because that time of my life was so trying and so being able to recognize

36:18

that as a practitioner I think is really critical because at the end of the day if somebody really needs an SSRI or

36:25

something we have to give it to them and if we're able to manage without

36:32

that's obviously my first line but when it comes down to being able to decipher

36:37

what is needed I think it's really important to have that balance of both because life is never one way it just

36:44

isn't my father had a heart attack in the beginning of the pandemic last year and I can tell you as a naturopath I

36:50

couldn't do anything for him in that moment and but fast forward now that's where you know we can really help in

36:58

guiding what the medications are doing and really supporting the body and ensuring it's going to absorb and allow

37:05

the medications to do their job and then maybe one day can actually start to

37:11

decrease come off of them with my experience and with my training I've

37:17

been able to get patients off of type two medications where at first you know their endocrinologist told them that you

37:23

will be on this for life well I can tell you that's not that's not a true statement when you know people are

37:30

really motivated to do whatever they can because something rocked their world like insulin or you know told that now

37:36

you need to take insulin well we all know insulin will make you gain anywhere from two to four kilograms but a lot of

37:44

people don't know that research knows that it's in every single paper that you

37:49

look at for diabetes that patients that when they go on insulin and are now going to be gaining weight that almost

37:56

defeats the purpose of the insulin right so when I've taught patients that through research through literature and

38:02

taught them let's really get down to how does your body actually respond to food

38:09

and change it it's incredible how we've been able to take people off of safely

38:15

of course uh the medications wonderful yeah it's um yeah to be fair to Specialists and you know

38:22

like the endocrinologist you're you're talking about there obviously very specifically trained in mainly in one

38:31

area and that's what one of my big concerns with with medicine is that we do have this you know kind of separated

38:38

medical system and especially when it comes to the idea of using micronutrients or even just

38:45

nutrition as a way of you know kind of preparing our bodies to be able to

38:52

you know not not get to the point where we are manifesting disease you know like prevention over over that that that kind

38:58

of treatment is is a really important part yes do you foresee a time

39:04

where not necessarily n Power Plus but the micronutrients and nutrition are a

39:10

first response for within a doctor's office or a psychiatrist office for something like let's say depression or

39:20

PTSD do you for see a time that that might happen it's already happening

39:25

there is lots of different practi that I've worked with over the years functional medicine doctors who that is

39:31

their first line of let's looking at what the body actually needs I'll give you a silly example like vitamin D you

39:38

know we we um in British Columbia here they stopped testing for vitamin D and

39:43

they won't pay for it anymore well I've continued doing the testing and it's astronomical to actually see the

39:50

severity of the deficiencies and you know for some people they're not deficient so often you know people get

39:56

told you're depressed take vitamin D you know take 1,000 5,000 it won't matter

40:01

well it does matter you know and and you know making sure that we're looking at what a patient's deficiency is before we

40:08

prescribe them that medication I think is important and if we have the ability to do a combination do a combination it

40:16

never it doesn't you know at the end of the day it's about the person feeling better person is feeling better there's

40:23

no other reward than that to me wonderful I'd love to just ask you about vitamin D specifically um first of all

40:32

what's the current like in British Columbia or Canada what's the the the recommended daily like allowance like

40:38

what what have we recommended to to take one to 2,000 units a day and your

40:43

opinion is that enough it to me it all matters on your biochemistry okay so for

40:49

often individuals I always run vitamin D because I have you know I have seen

40:54

patients over the last six months because of this pandemic where the doctors have said take your vitamin D

41:01

it'll make you feel better well I did a vitamin D test and turns out they were way too high and that can also be a

41:07

detriment you know it's a dichotomy there it's either one or the other either I've seen really low I've seen

41:12

really high if someone's really high why is that why are they not doing the conversion why are they not utilizing it

41:18

so having low vitamin D is just as terrible as having really high vitamin vitamin D levels in the blood so I

41:25

always run a test to see what do they actually need so if I like I normally

41:30

here in in BC I like to see number the 25 hydroxy D to be around 100 if it's a

41:36

little bit less then maybe you know 2,000 units is good but if it's significantly less like I've seen over the last few months here it being down

41:44

in the 30s or the 40s I may actually give an injection initially do an injection of vitamin D and then do the

41:50

oral just to give them that boost that the body actually needs to help support their brain because we know that D is

41:56

critical for our to turn on those happy hormones in our brain it's one of our

42:02

precursors to Gaba to serotonin absolutely yeah it's um Works more of a

42:07

hormone more Works more of a hormone than a vitamin right absolutely do you

42:13

recommend a specific type because you know we do hear slow coming out of mainstream media we do hear slowly slow

42:19

dribs of recommending vitamin D certainly not enough but like there are

42:24

you go to a supplement store or you can go to Costco right like there's a b there's a bunch like tell me like if I

42:31

if I'm recommend my doctor I'm low vitamin D I get told I need to take some vitamin D I need to take a thousand iuse

42:37

a day okay I'm just going to go and get the cheapest one I'm going to go a Costco and get always look at the okay

42:44

you have to remember with vitamin D it's a fat soluble vitamin which means when they extract it you need a fat to

42:49

extract it so the best form of vitamin D is going to be a liquid so that your

42:55

body's going to be able to absorb it best those gummy bears and all those things that are out there on the market

43:00

are great for short term but let's be real the amount of sugar in there is going to negate the vitamin D anyway so

43:06

why bother so try I often say to go for the liquid but make sure it's a D3 now if you're postmenopausal if you're an

43:12

older person like maybe above 40 50 to and you're not on any type of blood thinners it's typically better if you

43:19

get the D3 with the K2 and that K2 that manat Tren on the research behind it to

43:24

ensure that that vitamin D actually shunts and provides the calcium to go

43:30

into the bone is what what we want we don't want the vitamin D to take B its own only to have calcium sitting in the

43:37

arterial wall to cause a problem later wonderful that's cool yeah so you

43:44

you recommend a liquid form is there a is there a brand you like uh I don't know if I'm allowed to

43:50

say but I like there's a couple of really clean Brands out there you know

43:55

Thorn is probably one of my favorite I give that to my own children um CTO Matrix is another really clean one

44:01

there's lots on the market and what I often H tell people is make sure you go ask for the third party testing what is

44:07

the Purity you know what do they do to ensure that their D is actually clean again and again that's another

44:14

step to you another responsible step you're taking in your Healthcare is you know finding out where those vitamins

44:19

are coming from and if you go to a good quality health store most of the people working in the supplement section are

44:26

incredibly well V in exactly and you know that's what they do they do this day in day out and they work with um

44:33

these manufacturers these companies that you know provide them with the education I know at true hope we we have a true

44:39

hope University that literally all the employees of all the retailers across Canada they they they take it and it

44:46

gives them a little bit more of a deeper dive into each of our products and they can go back in there and they can kind

44:51

of like re relearn that so yeah there's a lot of great companies out there doing lots of things I'm not here to just like

44:57

plug true hope because personally I take a lot of a products as well as wonderful true hope so I think there are some

45:03

wonderful Canadian Brands out there as well that do really ABS wonderful well just coming to the

45:09

end of the show how can people get a hold of you uh my website is Dr cal.com

45:15

very nice and simple nice yeah all my information is on there if you wanted to

45:21

get in touch for anything perfect and what's your what particular area are you

45:26

in in BC in BC yeah I'm in Vancouver actually downtown downtown Vancouver

45:32

downtown Vancouver perfect well I'll make sure that um all your contact details and everything are in the show

45:37

notes so people can get a hold of you I really appreciate you coming on the show today and taking the time to discuss I

45:45

think we went off into a few different really important areas and I really appreciate that thank

45:50

you so much I hope maybe you consider coming on again and jumping in sure thank you so much Simon for even uh

45:55

having me today this was really fun awesome great well I'm glad you enjoyed yourself that's good that's important great well thank you very much

46:02

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