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Hello all and welcome back to the special collaborative series between Purea and True Hope. If you joined us

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for part one, you heard the foundational stories, how Purea and True Hope came to be, the convictions that drove them

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forward, and the challenges they face standing up for natural health choice in Canada. In part two, the conversation

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expands. Jason and David turn their focus toward the present and the future of the natural health industry, where

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it's headed, what's at stake, and why education, transparency, and courage matter now more than ever. They explore

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the responsibility of companies to do their customers the growing demand for natural health solutions and the role of

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leadership in shaping a more honest empowered health landscape. This is not just a reflection on the past. It is a

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call forward. A discussion about protecting choice, advancing science, and ensuring Canadians continue to have

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access to natural health options without fear or censorship. Once again, nothing is off limits and everything is grounded

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in truth. So, let's continue that conversation. Enjoy the show. Right.

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And what we're talking about here too, if you want to put it simple between what David said, modern and and

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alternative forms of medicine, traditional medicine or the medicines of tradition. So they hijack that term, but

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modern medicine is germ theory based on pasture pasteurization. So basically the the pathogen or toxin is impinging on

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you and we need to either basically stimulate something, suppress something, cut it out or burn it. And then the

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ancient way is more based on terrain theory which was Bashamp also was was trying to expound and that's based on

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basically uh cleanse, nourish and balance. It's basically the health of

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the terrain helps you to navigate the world which is nature. The other way is basically saying nature is not good

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enough and we need to you can integrate both things but the the more profound way to deal with things from the natural

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industry is all coming back with a vengeance but you're going through the time when that's starting to happen and

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the pharmaceutical industry and their captured you know organizations of disease they are recognizing it. It's

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been happening for quite some time. It just didn't happen the last 5 years. I think the last 5 years was really an attempt to try to get back some

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stability into that and to try to demonize all of us that talk about anything to do with ancient ways and all

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these traditions that are alive still today and it failed because now there's too many all these things are happening and it's like again the lashing tiger

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they're they're falling we're coming up so all of us if we start talking

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that's what I if we all can start talking be that mosquito you do make a difference

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is that we'll light each other up and then it's going to accelerate the process of something good happening rather than getting stuck in all the

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negatives that are happen to us because I feel we both smile on we both smile it takes I think it takes a deep faith in

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something a lot bigger and both of us have that I don't want to take out of the rest of the story to keep on keeping on which is why

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perspective is sticking your talk in this yeah yeah your life's perspective is absolutely crucial in relation to how

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you approach every situation and whether or not you can have the tenacity to absolutely so your choice of care rat so now yeah and one of the judges

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actually comes the he's known as Rook the Crook amongst certain crowds. He's

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the second top judge in all of Alberta and he signs himself to our case as soon as we start to expose the corruption.

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And initially his job clearly was get me to shut up.

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Yes. Get me to shut up. So now we're trying to sue them to get money back to afford a lawyer saying

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yes, we've already paid for all this. You guys by your own fault based on the

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Supreme Court's admission put us into this this state of hardship and now you want us to come back for

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another trial. Well, pay us for the first trial. You guys messed it up and I went to jail wrongfully. Pay up, right?

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No, wouldn't have it. And so he oversaw that case and he he would yell at me often whenever I would bring something

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up and it was relevant. It wasn't like I was stepping out of line, but anytime that it would expose any

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corruption on the record, he would get triggered and he'd yell and he would try to intimidate me and I picked up on it after about the fifth time.

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That sounds like co what people did, right? Call you names and yell at you and shut you down, right? Shut you down,

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intimidate you, whatever. Childlike behavior. Yeah. Very childlike as he's foaming from the mouth, probably from some

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medications he's on. Literally. Guy should have retired about 10 years earlier, but he's still there. Uh he actually

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just retired a couple years ago. But um so now we're going through this situation where we're about to face our

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second trial and doing so not represented. Um last minute Sean Buckley steps in to help my wife uh as well as

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two other lawyers. I'm now I'm self-representing though and a bunch of

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evidence comes out. Amazing evidence. But is the media reporting on it? No. No. Still not reporting on it. But

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that's okay because at that point in time I realized if I don't tell my story, someone else will. And this is incredibly abnormal to

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see somebody who's been criminally charged and even wrongfully convicted

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to then become the source of media. So I'm live streaming after every single

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day of court to say this is what the media isn't going to be telling you, but here's what came out. Yeah.

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And end up with a large following during that time highlighting look this is a medical

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case. This is this is choice of care. This is all about, you know, your parental rights and your medical choice

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in Canada. Yeah. And they're trying to erode that and say, you only have one path to go down. And they actually started using the

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terminology you there's only one criminal code approved standard of care

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and that's pharmaceutical medicine. Right. Everything else is outside of the criminal code. You be held of pharmaceuticals.

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Right. Exactly. So anyways, we end up winning we end up winning the the trial.

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It was played out over three months. It wasn't a solid 3 months, but it was just it was an absolute gong show. The whole

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thing just made a mockery of the supposed justice system, but we ended up

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hearing the words not guilty. And then that judge got crucified over it. Literally.

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Yeah. Um well, not literally, but his his career was done for a while. He had to go through uh he didn't take on any

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other cases. He had to go through courses because he was now being called a racist because he didn't take the

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Nigerian pathologist evidence, the one who falsified the the autopsy report. So, he got lambasted and the system hung

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him out to dry. We would end up in the Alberta appeals court uh again and the

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top justice of all of Alberta, Katherine Frasier, would appoint herself to the case and they would write up a scathing

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um report on us that would take them once again the better part of a year. and it was fraught with all sorts of

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vaccine stuff which wasn't even any they had no evidence to rely on. Now this is March 8th 2021. Now remember co shot

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just came out a few months before that and there's a bunch of hesitancy. So all of a sudden they rendered this decision

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equating vaccines to being necessaries of life. But that wasn't argued. It

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wasn't argued in the first trial. It wasn't argued in the second trial because they'd already the crown went away from that because we had shut it

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down with expert evidence. Yeah, it wasn't argued in the appeal. They literally pulled this information

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out of thin air, injected it in there, and now you have the the most egregious

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legal precedent coming from one of the top courts in Canada establishing vaccines as a necessary of

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life out of thin air. Now, I don't know if anybody can cite the case because you go

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one layer deep, you recognize the whole thing's corrupt. There's no there's no substance to it.

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So, it's it's it it doesn't matter that it's coming from the top court in in Alberta, from the top justice in Alberta

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that would normally be taken with a great level of weight across the whole country. The fact of the matter is if a challenge ever came up against it, the

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the question could be asked where where did they get this information from? Because it wasn't argued. Well, you know, if you, and this is again, it's

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not conspiratorial because if you ask a lot of good RCMP folks, which we both have friends in the RCMP,

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uh, is the justice system fair? Is it for the people? And just face to

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face do that. No matter what they say, you can see what almost all of them think. Their hands are tied. all these

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good people trying to do good things watching criminals surface up and up and again the pers get all the rights and

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the crim and the people who are perpetrated against the victims or whatever they're left with nothing and

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completely disheartened because the whole idea of the justice system you think in a fair and reasonable just

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country should be about justice for anyone and then again it goes back to the foundations of the western world in

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in Greek philosophy there's no way that Socrates would have agreed When they when they dialogued about justice and

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what does justice mean and most of the dialectics became about words and defining words when you define the word

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would they equate today's system of justice with justice? No, not at all. It would be 180 flip. It would be about

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rich rich and powerful people ruling and all these networks of people and all these people again bringing up the

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Epstein files. That's a show that's showing you that the corruption is being propagated

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because people have stuff on people. Yep. And they're not willing, they'd rather watch a whole country burn than

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get caught for some of the things they've done. Absolutely. And and this is the idea of this hyperindividualistic

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society versus the other extreme, a hive mentality, which could be on the communist kind of side, is they're all

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BS. They're all just trying to manipulate you in different kinds of ways according to the sway of the public opinion and how they're moving you. And

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in this case to watch this and to go through it like you and I have the justice system. Yeah, you can win, but

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you have to play it really, really hard and figure out how you can possibly make something fall because the the cards are

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stacked against you. Do we want to keep listening to that? Do we? No, we don't. I think we need to have a massive

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uprising of people saying, "No, I'm not listening to that anymore." And the head of the snake has to be addressed. And

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the head of the snake is, you know, layers deep, but it has to do with money and power and weird things. So, I feel

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like we're just addressing at this level, you and I. We got caught up in it. Did it

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Did it push us down? Cuz all the stuff that's happened to you when I watched it. Most people would admit they would

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have quit like they would have dropped. You could have committed suicide or just dropped your marriage would fall apart.

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All that kind of stuff. easy to happen to see what happened to you, how emotional that was and what they did on

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purpose to you and the forms of psychopathy inside that people with no empathy just trying to destroy you in a

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survival kind of way of thinking that's based on them pushing this divide and conquer constantly. And I feel I feel

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like people though I do I feel like people are waking up more and more and more to this. They know, yeah, it's not

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a just way of being. And Canada is not the Canada it was in 1970s. Not even close, by the way, for the any of you

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who were born after that. It's not even close to the same country. It's so obvious to anybody, you start thinking

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backwards. And the media is not the media. So, what is true? The thing you can find is go back in here and take

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back the power and start actually thinking for yourself and listening. Do you believe this person or do you just

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listen to what said about this person? Right. Right. So, go ahead. Sorry. you know, I'm cutting you off. No, no, no, no. You just introduced

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really the meat and potatoes of this. We we've been talking about the issues,

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right? Uh, Health Canada. We we've we've touched on a little bit of what we're doing in relation to changing lives,

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saving lives, blessing people. Yeah. But now this is this is the information here that's going to be the most

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empowering because you asked the question, right? Did it keep you down, right? Did it knock you down? Whatever.

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Knock down. Absolutely. I mean the loss of a son knocked down. Yes. Pummeled.

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Yeah. Right. Questioning life. Qu like literally questioning the meaning of life. Yeah.

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You want to talk about paradigm shattering stuff? You know, lose a child and then start to try to make heads and

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tails of what life's about, right? And it was a beautiful experience in the end. Don't get me wrong. Like going

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through hell sometimes what it requires before you start to see the light. Yeah, but going through these circumstances,

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10 years of it, because now we're 2019 appeal, 2021, the appeal happens, vaccine precedent,

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blah blah blah. We're now going for trial again. But there was a saving grace in all of that that finally by June of 2021, they

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had to drop the case. And the reason being is that medical examiner that held everything in his hands with that

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falsified autopsy report was under credential fraud uh investigation in both the state of Kansas and the state

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of Indiana. Now, he had fled down to the states after we started to expose a lot of the corruption surrounding him and he

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ended up on his own criminal charges on June 21st of 2021. On June 22nd of 2021,

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we got a call from the crown saying they're staying the charges. It was done. It was a saving grace that kept us from going to a third trial that was

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going to be incredibly disadvantageous to us. That the appeal court had already dictated what evidence was necessary and

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what wasn't. They had cut off our defense. We were going to jail. Literally, we were going to go to jail. That's what it looked like. And we were

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just saying nothing short of a miracle is what it's going to take. And we got that miracle when all of a sudden that

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medical examiner ended up in deep water for his corruption. So now we're going

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through this though, you know, wrongfully convicted. Um, very arguably I I can't think of

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anybody else that would even be up on the same level, but the most hated couple in Canada based on on the the

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prolific media. That was true. It was persistent. Persistent. Persistent. The death threats, everything. I almost hated you.

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Yeah. Ex except that except I still remember you. You funded me. You funded

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us. I appreciate that. Right. You you were supportive. You were amongst you were amongst uh the supporters that we got about probably about $350,000 was

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external coming in to support the first leg of the uh the battle. And that was beautiful cuz it was needed at first cuz

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we weren't in an emotional position to be able to self-represent. But by the time 2019 came around, I was. My wife

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wasn't. And I don't blame her. She she's a woman. I'm the protector and provider. and she no longer had my

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protection because the crown segregated the case so that she would be pinpointed in certain areas that I couldn't answer to and they did it intentionally because

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they knew that we were self-representing. So now they were going for what they thought was an easier target. So when you say that too,

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this is interesting. Untraditional say the the the female or passive aspects and the male active aspects uses a

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metaphor. Uh because I want to clarify how we see is that if you look at why

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did they use those metaphors? Because that was traditional in more of a natural woman and a natural man, but

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they both have negative and positive pulls. Like a man could go towards violence, but it could also be piercing

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and strong and confident, right? And a woman is more allincclusive and open and there's wisdom in that. But if you force

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that, if you constrict that natural tense to be open in that passive, open and wise way of a woman, then it can get

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into fear mode and then that's not good. So they were intentionally trying to push the buttons of the feminine side in

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both men and women because you see a lot of men who you would traditionally think now in ancient times they would look at

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a lot of the way that men are behaving and say, "Whoa, what's going on here?" because it's basically a negative female

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aspect of the pole. So in each of us, we have feminine and masculine tendencies within us in the positive and negative

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pole. It's just metaphor. But it seems that a lot of things have shifted to a hyper feminized state

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that's not actually a positive feminine state. It's it's the constricted fear like like

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you're armoring yourself like a stress response. So basically, and you also see then the lashing out of the negative

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male side that starts to have lashing out and stuff. So you have both the constricted fear and you have the

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lashing out. So both the negative pulls of masculine and feminine. So what we're talking about is re recognizing in both

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of our scenarios because we both went through heavy stuff in the last wow is that our wives had to go through that

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with us and that we appreciate that kind of sacred feminine aspect that's

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inclusive and open and wise and to put that to put members of your family under

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the kind of thing cuz you and I both had that piercing like I'm going to go I just go what I don't know why I'm going to go is that you you have to recognize

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that we recognized that we were putting through the situations that we were put

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in that bystanding that it was also putting our loved ones under duress.

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Oh yeah. But we had the support of them but also they had to back off a bit otherwise they would have been thrown into a state

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of frenzy and fear and then it would armor in your body and it takes a lot to get out which I think probably with

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Colette and with Anna they both have think are intense so that they're both probably letting go over time that

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occurred through all of this because it's a natural thing. I you and I are probably more like wolves. Like

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basically you want to get in the fray if you think it's the right thing to do for other people and that other people are

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going to benefit. Also if you're put under attack obviously you're def defending yourself but at the same time it becomes over time including with your

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case and ours that you feel I just need to stand up. Yep. Like if what is my life for? What's the

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purpose of my life? If we've come to these stages in our lives both of us sim there similarities. You're obviously

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younger than me but we both have similarities. Is that what's the point of this all then? Is it just so that you

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can individually survive and everything or is it actually to be as purposeful as

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you can in a helpful way? And I feel like by stand that's what gave us that why I said this all is that's what I

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feel for me gave me the ability to keep standing. Yep. Because I felt like it was it was

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another thing that was coming through me that that really wants to help my whole life is. And then I start to recognize

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everything in my life I wanted to help. Even when I was acting in selfish ways and everything, it's because I wanted to

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help. And then you get frustrated. And then over time, you start to realize, well, I can do that and do that. You get

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less frustration and more of this openness even the feminine side coming out of you. But also with that feroc

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piercing kind of way of behaving. Sorry. I there's this aspect I keep saying sorry.

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Yeah. Don't apologize. I'm loving this. And you're stimulating you're stimulating some thought processes that

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are along you know more philosophical lines. But when we take a look at when we're encountered with these

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circumstances, right? A threat. Yeah. There's generally two two things that

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that we will examine. The one comes first and foremost and it's self-preservation. Y

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right now if you get stuck there that it's myopic. You're not looking at the

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big picture. You're not looking down the road as to to Right. And it's completely self- serving. Y right. And it's dangerous. It can be

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very dangerous. And it can be natural when you're in that mode of behavior through your time that even to keep going. The unnatural

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part of it is to keep going with that kind of thing is to once you you're out of the danger.

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Yep. The fight or flight reflect in a more uh holistic way. Yes. Sorry.

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Yeah. Looking at the big picture right now, me aside, my preservation, how is this

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decision going to impact everyone around me? And we were actually faced with that in 2016 right after they had dropped the

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vaccine portion before we got into trial proper. They they had seen the evidence. They actually came out with a plea

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bargain. Now Colette and I had testified for the first time in a delay hearing. They were supposed to throw the trial

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out because it went well beyond the bounds of delay with, you know, from 2012 to 2016.

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They were supposed to throw it out, but they made an exception for our case. But they had us testify or or Sean had us

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testify, so they now got to see how we were going to present. And they didn't like what they saw because they saw that

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we weren't a bunch of nut cases. So they actually the the day following

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our testifying during this hearing about two weeks before the trial, they came up

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with a plea bargain and they they said if David pleads guilty, we'll give him

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18 months probation and Colette will get off scot-free and

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we'll even pay for some trauma counseling cuz they saw that she was in tears as she was recollecting these events leading up to to where we were in

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2016 Now, looked like a pretty sweet deal, right? Especially when I'm looking at it from a self-preservation point,

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like, well, I could roll the dice and I think we're going to win because we shouldn't be here.

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Yeah. But it's going to cost me easily $100,000 over the next month. Easy. That's definitely something they

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consider, right? And so I'm I'm looking at that and I'm like, this is a pretty safe bet. And Colette gets off scot-free. I've

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just preserved us. But then when I started considering the whole of it and that this was going to create a

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precedent. It's going to be a snare for the next parent down the road. I said, "I can't do it." Yeah. I can't do it. I can't in good

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conscience. I will I will smile for a moment or two,

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but it will sit on my conscience for the rest of my life that I took the easy way

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out and I gave them a portion of what they wanted and that I didn't go down fighting like I should have. not just

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for me and my wife but for the very fundamental principles of liberty here in Canada. And so here's the thing when you think

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in an individual survivalistic kind of t the tendencies we are trained to to have is that people could then see and look

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at it say hey you should have just tooken the taken the deal that's best for your family right now. It's not though because if we keep thinking that

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way that is just survival mode and not wanting to deal with what we need to deal with when we're tested because

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we're supposed to be thinking about our children and their children's childrens and future generations. Like you said,

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if you set pref precedents to allow them to manipulate and control even more than they already do, you're part of the

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problem. And so then you say, okay, but I still recognize it takes a lot of

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fortitude and some type of vision and depth and stability to get through that. So

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nobody's saying we expect anybody to go through those things, but again, it's it's the basically backing off and

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stopping the judgment that is is very superficial. judging people that are willing to go through it

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instead of looking them right now that there's mechanisms involved in mind space involved that's about a bigger

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picture and nobody's trying to say oh we're so great doing no we're just saying you feel it and you have to

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pursue it and if you don't pursue it you don't feel you're being true to yourself you don't feel you're being authentic so

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when it gets to the stage where you feel like you know what I can't like you just said I can't make this though because

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I'm trying to contrive that in my head it's the deal. But deep down inside me, I know that's not the best deal for

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humanity. And to say that sounds like you're trying. No, it's not. It's just that if you go against that, you can

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cause yourself a lot of trauma when when you're ready to do battle to stand to stand up and and

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with the appearance of being against the flow because you're not in the herd type of thinking, but you're actually in the flow of your

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heart that you feel it for yourself. It's a truth that you know and you feel. Anybody that's done deep meditation,

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been in the zone, yoga in religion, anything, these things, they they prepare you little glimpses of that.

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When you feel like you're in the zone, you know that you're doing something that's meaningful because it's coming

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from your heart and nothing in your head can tell you differently to try to make you stop doing that.

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some people at the same time that

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no we can't no and you know I guess you know in line with that the meat and

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potatoes the empowering information that people can take away from this I've I've

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you know as I'm I'm very selfanalytical probably probably harder on myself than I should be I think that's a great thing

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but hey if if I'm in the business of of growth, then I I better be looking at myself. And as part of that, um, you

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know, there's been a bit of a formula that that I've seen that when I deviate from it during in the heat of the

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battle, I suffer bad. And when I don't, I'm able to stand boldly because during this time as well, I was tasked with

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taking on uh the division of True Hope, which is a new division uh the True Hope Canada division getting into retail

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stores because up until that point, you know, for the previous 15 years, we had been direct consumer. Y

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and so I'm taking on this new division and at one point in time I'm kind of a oneman show and I'm literally I'm I'm

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answering the phone calls, I'm taking the orders, I'm traveling around doing the trainings, doing and then starting

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again public presentations. So now I'm having to start to hire reps. But it was it was from the very, you know, ground

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up that I was you just went through all that as I'm literally ground I'm going through it. I'm going I I I took I took

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over this division 7 months after the passing of Ezekiel. And then I get charged and I get charged literally

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um I think it was 2 weeks before my first ever public

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presentation at a show where I'm presenting along people like yourself. You weren't at that show. It was in um

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Steinach, Manitoba. But like amongst the the crew like Laura Vanderhag and right

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like like the you know all the people that we would present alongside at these shows it got so bad that shows cuz we've this

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is how we met each other listening to each other sometimes too when it was an open type forum is that it was so bad at

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certain points that people in our own industry would not have you because they were so scared of of the repercussions

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of being associated with you. And to me, I I recognize that now because of what we went through, which we haven't even

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talked about with the SWAT, and thinking we have to stand beside each other. We

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have to show each other when we're under fire and we're doing something that's true and we're supporting the ancient

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way coming back. I feel it makes you I I think that's part of the process of history how it keeps going is that once

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the fire is ignited like the Mgrim experience Stanley Mgram when they they talk about is one person

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that goes against the grain and starts to stand is slowly igniting more and more and

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more and there's so many that have been ignited and that all the powers in every single one of us to do so and to

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undermine us and disempower ours for so long has been the tactic and strategy

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whatever is to keep us at bay and that's no longer possible with all the information coming out and everything

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we're seeing unfold now everywhere is a huge sign that something great is coming

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out of the mess like I said again and I don't want I feel like I stayed in this industry because we we were talking

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both we've been offered big money for the companies and that is we decided no I'd rather buy out and and maintain so

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in big debt to buy out the rest of the company and and have that because I I know this is the time to stand

27:12

and you said at the beginning it proves that that you're doing something that's

27:19

right the more that they put the spotlight on you and I feel like if we could just see

27:24

that the more that the spotlight negative spotlight is being put on a lot of people I'm not talking about criminals killing people that I'm

27:30

talking about you're going why are they after them. Yep. It's it's go there, look there. Anything

27:36

they tell you not to look at, look there, look there. And then you'll see if you go down, you just have to find

27:41

the right avenues. And lots of this viewers have already done that. But when you do it,

27:47

you can't undo it. And ignorance is not bliss. No. Because that would mean that it's bliss forever and it's an ongoing bliss.

27:54

No. Ignorance is you keep on searching for entertaining ways to to keep yourself feeling happy because you have

27:59

an underlying angst knowing that something's not right. So the ignorance, you don't feel good about being ignorant

28:05

or bewildered either because you feel like you're out in the dark and you have to trust everybody else for everything. So that whole thing ignorance is BS. The

28:12

truth is wisdom gives you the skill to navigate things

28:18

and wisdom is required. It's direct experience. Like wisdom in ancient ways didn't mean a whole bunch of facts. It meant that you were directly

28:24

experiencing something. We've both directly experienced the negative side, been willing to go through the process as so many. And we

28:31

want to come out sharing ways of empowering other people to see the power in themsel to rise now and then we formulate some

28:38

type of better way of living together. And it's definitely not the forms of governance we've had all through time.

28:44

Mhm. It's you know what I mean? Yep. Absolutely. So, and so you got through it. So that was 2021 you said. So, so, so 2012 was

28:52

when when my personal journey with my wife and the loss of my son really began. And finally, by 2021,

28:59

it had come to a basically a close even though we appealed to the Supreme Court to try to get that precedent undone.

29:05

Once again, like we had nothing to lose at that point in time, but it just we just couldn't in good

29:11

conscience know that that precedent was there that could be used against somebody. Um,

29:16

so we we appealed to the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, by August of 2022, they denied the appeal and it was it all came

29:24

to a close. But during that time though, so it's it's I think it's important for

29:29

the viewers to know that I wasn't just hanging on for dear life through this time. I was proactively and oftentimes

29:37

the greatest form of stress was the business I was involved in in

29:42

taking something that was in the red that was going to be shut down that division and turning into a multi-million dollar company while going

29:49

literally through hell right while going to jail wrongfully wrongfully convicted death threats all this

29:55

and so there I the power of that that that particular story showing that one

30:02

can still thrive even while they are just being like all

30:07

the forces are are going against them to Right. Yeah. You're being destroyed socially, career-wise, and you're right.

30:13

I was getting kicked out of shows and not so easily. The shows wanted to keep me, but the media was doing a fantastic

30:18

job. I remember they sent 5,000 bots to one of the shows in Victoria. They She knew they were

30:23

bots. Yeah. But they couldn't do anything about it cuz then then it looked like there was a lot of that support and people were looking at that. And I I thought to

30:30

myself, I'm not going to say anything, but the idea is we as an industry that represents the ancient way, the

30:36

traditional ways of health, including that are still operative in traditional Chinese medicine, ayurveetic medicine, Tibetan medicine, herbal medicine,

30:42

whatever. All these different medicines, we represent them. We can't back down. But I understand as a business idea if

30:49

you have something then the media goes after you and then the media you realize is just an arm of this mechanism that's

30:56

used to pummel us non-stop which was not the case back in the 60s and 70s. It still had some freedom of press. People

31:02

still would challenge big weight. We remember it. And then it completely ended like you said and it become this

31:07

monolithic BS uh propaganda machine and and I I feel that's all changing

31:13

obviously too with all these different podcaster people. I know we're we're just starting in tiny but some of the big ones I mean yes there's some

31:19

controlled opposition 100%. Y you can see it but at the same time they're controlling it's controlled

31:25

opposition because there's a demolition happening. Absolutely. Yeah. So that they're trying to control both sides of the narative and trying to capitalize

31:32

off it. That's why the hyper tax you and everything all these stresses that we're having and the financial stress everybody's having

31:38

is just the end of empire. It always happens that way and they try to rob all the money out of you by taxation everything. And

31:44

then if people start to rise and voices like us try to get squashed Mhm. But for me, do you want to say anything

31:50

else about your story? Well, I was just going to say um before we jump into your story, and I'm sure that you can

31:56

parallel this is that there was two main things that arose uh as I'm sitting

32:01

there selfanalyzing and realizing when I'm doing really good and when I'm not doing so good in the heat of the battle.

32:07

And those two things are spiritual and physical. Not neither of them being more important there because they're

32:12

interconnected. Exactly. Spiritual and physical nourishment. Now, I'm going to just just for you know full disclosure.

32:19

So, obviously I'm using the True Hope supplements. I get them free of charge and they are designed to bolster mental

32:26

health, but there's another line of products that I'm using at the same time, which you're probably aware of if

32:32

unless you know, maybe you're not, it's not being disclosed to you, but your head office would have records of it as I'm ordering your guys' products and I'm

32:40

using them alongside ours. Um, like especially the the adrenal support. Yeah, needed it. So that's that's

32:47

medicinal mushrooms plus ashwagandha and root. Yes. Chaga, cortiseps, and ashwagandha, right? And I' I've been on

32:53

that now for 10 years actually. I know you've changed the name a couple times. I don't know if Iitality vitality and

32:58

adrenal support. I don't know which one's which. Right. But I call it both. Right. Um the recovery, right? I'm using that

33:06

now. That's cuz my body was falling apart from the time that I was in my youth, right? But yeah, all the stress. Yeah. Well, no, before the stress. This

33:12

is going back to 2001. I've been on Oh, wow. MSM and and then right and so

33:17

as soon as I discovered that recovery was the all-in-one formula I started just I switched over to that and I'm using that plus the MSM. We we like each

33:25

we want to collaborate a lot and stores are putting us together without knowing. I've see I was just telling David before this we started that they're starting to

33:32

align us because I feel like they feel like we're trying to send a message that we believe in the whole industry. It we

33:38

call it coopetition after we named it after the store told us that. It's basically we just want to grow the idea

33:45

that the ancients had all these things and yeah there's modern ways of processing all this thing and research but the ancients already had it. We're

33:52

just we're just providing a platform and a voice and yes it is our livelihood but it feels good to have a livelihood but

33:57

that's helping animals and people and that we use each other's products and our families believe in each other

34:03

and I I I agree with that. It's that so we we have the our trusal and pure we

34:08

have the body in balance mind in harmony uh energy in a state of flow and but

34:15

they're all inseparable in the center the triscal. So basically we're talking about things like they're separated but they're not. That's how what like you just said when

34:21

you're going through these intense stressors if you're not taking care of one aspect say of yourself you really

34:28

start to see it whether it be the physical side or the energetic side or the mental and contemplative spiritual

34:34

side if one's lacking you feel it and and yes everything's important because

34:39

physical movement is huge and sometimes when you're in the fray you're in front

34:44

of the computer doing research the whole time and you just say I don't need to move I just need to focus I stay up all night and Then you start to feel it,

34:50

right? So that I get that cuz I I I've been there. Yeah. So I agree with you. Taking making sure that you're taking

34:55

care of all aspects of yourself. It well it was so evident um especially right off the bat when we

35:02

were charged. I remember sometimes you know wake up in the morning and you feel that heavy weight on your your chest and

35:08

you're like I'm not doing something right. I'm not I'm not getting I missed I missed some doses yesterday. Right.

35:14

All of a sudden the contrast is so stark and my wife saw the same thing. So once we figured that out, which was early on

35:20

fortunately, we were able to stick to it and make sure that we were nourishing ourselves spiritually, tapping in all

35:27

the time and making sure that we're we were constantly nourished physically, the vitamins, the minerals, the

35:32

adaptogens, all this type of stuff, right? And it made a world of difference that wasn't just we weren't surviving

35:38

this onslaught of of attacks. we were thriving and literally, you know, took

35:44

something in the red that wasn't doing good and turned into a multi-million dollar business during that time. And it

35:50

just highlights the power of nourishment, right, which obviously comes from multiple

35:56

uh areas. And I'm sure that you could attest to that because you've got you've got a quite a phenomenal story that just happened over the last couple years here

36:02

that Yeah. So 2023 2022

36:08

I think 2022 my mom's birthday. Uh so basically to preface this we had a huge

36:16

uh situation with the RCMP a SWAT that I'll talk about in a sec which was

36:22

according to RCMP and people who knew at the time the largest expenditure of SWAT in Canadian history. So, it was big. And

36:29

what had happened was back in March of 2020, uh, we were away for my 50th birthday

36:37

and then the whole thing with the the the co thing happened and, uh, I heard

36:44

some stuff. I was just still in Mexico. I heard some stuff and because my background is in science and medicine, I was I was hearing stuff that they were

36:51

saying which didn't make any sense. And everybody was getting really worried because we're going going back and

36:57

they're going to start this two week uh you know um quarantine thing which

37:02

wouldn't matter when you're gone away and then you get two weeks at home and we like our home but you're not allowed to go grocery shopping all stuff. I said

37:08

Anna's thinking about should we be worried and I said you know what no because they're doing something because

37:15

they're conflating. So, I started talking. I've never been on social media or anything. And I got back and I

37:20

started seeing all this venomous attacks on different people and stuff. And the censorship mechanism hasn't yet been

37:26

engaged like it did for anybody that knew when you're talking out how much you were censored. But I felt like I got

37:32

to get on social media to share what I know of when I was in clinic in western

37:37

medicine style, what we did and what were the parameters and what is the WH even

37:43

parameters and protocols for a supposed pandemic. All the stuff going on plus I started talking about things like that

37:50

they were conflating. They used a guy named uh in in Britain Neil whatever Ferguson who's who's noted for

37:59

exaggerating in a huge way and not thinking they used him. He's already been implicated before. Why are they

38:04

using him to spout off this entire thing? Yeah. Then they were conflating uh CFR case

38:10

fatality rate versus infection fatality rate. What that means is for anybody is case fatality. Say you monitor that a

38:17

whole bunch of these people had a certain uh sickness, right, cases versus

38:24

how many of them are in the hospital with an infection, right? Well, the number of deaths that would

38:31

occur from say whatever X condition that is of overall cases across the country

38:37

versus the ones that are actually the infection fatality rate, it's going to be a world of difference amount

38:43

difference in deaths. the ones that are in the hospital with infection fatality rate. Uh that's going to be obviously a

38:48

big one. So that's a lot bigger number, scarier number. Well, they were conflating the infect they were

38:54

confusing the IFR for just the overall case load. It doesn't even mean you're really sick or anything. And to do that

39:00

means that they're trying to spread fear, right? So that was my thing. Somebody's trying to spread fear. They've done it before.

39:05

You look up Fauci and uh his his dealings with uh uh Carrie Mullis, Dr.

39:11

Carrie Mullis, the one who invented the PCR test. He wanted to take Fouchy and those guys to task all the time. They wouldn't

39:17

debate with them because he said you should never use it in diagnostics. So anyways, I I was talking about all that and I have a lot of stuff in my mind cuz

39:23

I've studied it a lot and it seems to stay. So I think okay I talked about that and then about the PCR test that

39:29

they were utilizing it number one and it's supposed to be run at a maximum of 25 cycles and it's supposed to be

39:35

something that you use on top of other diagnostics as if you've already had a positive that you just to try to verify

39:41

a little bit more not to use as a diagnostic if you run it over 25 cycles that we talked about earlier the

39:46

concentration load like Dr. Dr. Car Muller says, you can still look it up on videos. He just said it just you'll find

39:53

anything. You'll find anything and everything because you're basically computer modeling a potential. Plus, it

39:58

doesn't indicate even if that was even uh efficient anyway. It doesn't indicate whether you've beat that infection or

40:05

it's infected at right now. You know what I mean? So, there's a positive versus negative. So, the whole thing's bunk. And I thought, okay, this was

40:11

making me nervous because then there was all this negative stop talk started. So, then I just said, I'm going out there.

40:17

I'm not going to stay silent because I know this is BS and there's something going on that's really bad because everybody's saying the same thing across

40:23

the board and I already knew about the media from our like I say our dealings that they lie lie lie lie lie lie

40:28

constantly right I saw all this lying lying lying lying lying and if you don't have a background in it then you might

40:34

see it or even if you are a doctor and you're following your regulatory board they just follow along what they're told

40:40

otherwise they can lose their license they're get fined that's why so many doctors went out lots of doctors by the way and nurses and lab techs and took

40:47

early retirement during this thing because they would not get mandated. They might as well retire. That's why

40:52

there's a shortage in in healthcare workers by the way. Yep. It's because they so many of them quit before they were going to quit.

40:58

I know I personally know a number of of people that do that. So that was that's a big issue now and you see it today. So then I was doing

41:05

this and I was getting hit and hammered by all of what I call you know

41:10

derogative speech but at the time I've referred to my mind as she people who just follow along and send and people

41:16

hated that term so I didn't use it but I was like okay I know it so I wasn't getting all riled up but they were

41:23

calling me lots of names and there was people in our community we live on a small island that said they told other

41:29

people who said when the vaccination started that they that they were vaccinated

41:34

They pretended they were vaccinated. And so I got tons of names on this island. Probably going to scare people right

41:40

now. Tons of names on this island that actually said to the people and used our

41:45

names that we deserve to have a bullet in our head or in a lineup and killed them or hang them all this stuff. Mhm.

41:52

actually said it about us and I know lots of people but so that's why I think forgiveness has to be there cuz you see when people

41:59

are operating hope and fear constant that kind of thing it's a different mechanism and it's easy to control you and it's it's sad and I feel like people

42:06

need to apologize to people that helps the process if you don't apologize it creates a lot of resentment inside for

42:12

me it's just like another day right and still yeah still perceived risk right if they're not apologizing are they still that same individual that

42:18

would love to do that to you the next time something So then I just kept standing and I kept getting hammered,

42:24

hammered, hammered, hammered, hammered. Other people in my family hated it cuz they see it as an argument. I see it as discourse. Like you're defending a

42:30

thesis. You have to discourse otherwise nobody hears it. Lots of people heard what I said cuz I made everything

42:35

public. Y So the RCMP and the prime minister's office and the head of the RCMP, they

42:40

were all seeing what I was doing. So, in the meantime, we had a uh a cafe on the

42:47

island, which you and Colette came to that time, uh called Beachside, and we were running it and kayaking and paddle

42:53

boarding, and we didn't not force any of the mandates. We moved our tables like they wanted, but everything else. And we

43:00

put a sign that said the six different disciplines I was trained in, including in pharmaceutical and industrial

43:06

manufacturer, in lab work, microbiology, chemistry, the type of mass you have to use, and how this didn't affect anything

43:12

and it would actually cause problems. So anyways, they had to let us kind of go with that cuz we put it at the till, but we were already considered as a

43:19

problem. My wife and kids and all the people that worked with us and us, but the people that went there loved it. It was like an open, inclusive place where

43:25

people could be themselves still. And then we had air flow. That's what you're supposed to do. Air flow is the best thing. Keeping windows and doors open,

43:31

proper fans going, that is the best form of protection in any pandemic kind of protocol. So, it came to the point where

43:37

we had a guy living on our property that was ex-military that his uh daughter who

43:45

was estranged from him. Uh we just she went to school with our kids and so we

43:50

wanted to help this guy out. He's homeless and he can do construction work and everything. So, we bought him a a

43:55

trailer and we bought him an electric motorcycle so he could go find work, right? And uh to try to give him a

44:03

little bit of a start. And it was something, you know, you have people on your property. Anyways, he was extremely

44:09

moody cuz he he relied on smoking pot constantly all day long. Pot and cigarettes. He wouldn't eat.

44:15

He'd forgo eating to do this kind of thing. So, he's obviously an addict. And then uh really moody. So, we basically

44:22

didn't even walk on our own property. it came up to 11 months. Do we do we want to touch on this just

44:27

for a moment here because this has been something that we've observed in True Hope for quite some time.

44:32

Uh but it's becoming more prevalent now that they've legalized marijuana. Now I'm I'm neither for or against

44:39

marijuana. I'm for education on it, understanding because I've used it the odd time for

44:46

pain management like when I shattered my arm in a in a vehicle accident and it was broken in three spots but completely

44:51

severed. And anyways, so I used it for a couple nights to help me sleep and then I stopped because I realized what it was

44:57

also doing to, you know, basically the prefrontal cortex of my brain and that logic and reasoning was going out the

45:02

window. But that there is an element to it as well, especially in certain people where psychosis is a reality from the

45:09

overuse of it. And we've actually discovered that that when somebody gets on our supplements with the vitamins and minerals and now they're producing more

45:16

dopamine naturally and then they go and smoke up, the propensity for them to develop psychosis is enhanced

45:22

significantly. And so that can cause moodiness, it can c right like going

45:28

into that stage, even if you're not, you know, clinically diagnosible psychosis, you're on your way there. That can

45:34

create some serious mood dysregulation that would result in all sorts of

45:39

interesting behaviors that are outside of what you'd consider to be healthy normal. They they get around the idea anything

45:46

that they allow and legalize in society as a mainstream. You can assure yourself that it's used because they think it's

45:51

going to decrease uh people rising up against things. And with so with weed and alcohol for instance, they're both

45:58

depressants technically. So you can feel like really wild and everything when you're inhibi inhibition when you're

46:03

inhibited from some of your conscious things like that but uh both of them decrease blood flow to the head. So both

46:10

of them decrease new input and formation or a struggle towards it. Some people are still they have a mindset that's

46:16

really vibrant and they can take lack of blood flow and that I that opens your mind at the time so they say and they

46:22

can still go but most people it's actually causing decreased blood flow lack of an inability to retain new

46:28

information. So people get can box themselves in pretty hard and become really opinionated, fight oriented or

46:34

just back off and say I don't want to deal with it. I just want to go with the flow. That's not going that's what I say going with the flow is dangerous in

46:40

society because we're taught how to flow and these drugs have become more and more prevalent just to try to cope with

46:46

life. So I get that. I get people are trying to cope. There's way better ways. Finding your purpose is the best way by

46:51

far. And what does that mean? Sometimes just being yourself. Stop trying to follow everybody else. Be yourself. You start to feel I do have a purpose. Like

46:58

the purpose is just being sometimes your purpose is just to smile and say hi and cuz we need that. Holy smokes we need

47:04

that in society people to give each other hugs to look at each other in the eyes just to be downtown with a smile even when you feel crappy or just or to

47:11

be honest you know what when somebody says how are you be honest with you I'm feeling crappy today but at least I got to see you and say hi that kind of idea.

47:17

So yeah the he was struggling with it though like he had tons of cigarettes.

47:22

He had six full big joints every day. I know cuz we were giving him money cuz he

47:27

wasn't working and we're trying to get him pumped up, right? Yep. And then I just realized no, he figures

47:34

like he's got his cash cow kind of thing and it's horrible and he started doing stuff that was really crazy and then you

47:41

can't talk them out of it because you know all this egotistical kind of behavior and he's he's has a tendency

47:47

towards violence for some reason. He won't be violent towards me has a certain level of suspect. So I'm trying to work with him. Mhm.

47:53

He was doing a whole bunch of crazy stuff. The last stage was he had him on the property. It's becoming really

47:59

harsh. He won't work. We're funding everything for him. He's doing really odd stuff and fighting

48:05

with us all the time. Uh so I kept telling him, "You're not our

48:11

child or anything. You're you're older. You're older than me and we can't you know, if you're going to participate in the family, you have to be part of the

48:16

family and help and everything. We can't just fund you, right?" And he got mad at that and called me that I don't recognize. I'm an egotist

48:22

to a millionaire. All this kind of bull and everything. Okay, you can say that whatever, but I'm what I'm saying is that if you want to live here and

48:29

we've given you all this stuff, you have to be a member of the family like contribute and everything and stop complaining and and so that we can't

48:35

even walk on our own property cuz you're so moody and angry. So then it came to the point where he was stoned

48:41

one day. Two things happened and then it lead to what happened is he wrecked the battery in the electric motorcycle,

48:48

really expensive battery. So, I had to find someone with a truck and go from the island, take the fairies, go over with the bike, and he was really happy

48:55

that I was doing to fix this thing. Yeah. Probably going to cost us another couple grand or whatever. And I don't like it, but whatever. I'm thinking, okay,

49:02

I know he did it. He did it cuz he's not thinking, but he So, he's feeling stone.

49:07

It's a good nice day. And I said, why do you not go by your real name for 30 years on Salt Spring and have no bank

49:13

accounts, no ID, nothing. Right. Mhm. And he said, oh, yeah, because of tax. you know, I had taxes back in Ontario,

49:18

moved over to Salt Spring and whatever. I said, "Well, I don't really believe that because the Gulf Islanders were

49:25

think that was cool that you made." And then he was stoned. He was feeling connected, I guess. And he said, "Well,

49:32

I kind of got um convict, charged, and then I got convicted of of uh raping my

49:40

mom." And so I'm trying to be really nudge judgmental all the time with them. Like he feels like I'm so like a priest

49:45

or whatever. But that one I guess my facial expression must have gone really like whoa. And then I tried to backtrack. So you know things happened

49:52

in the past 30 30 years. You know things in your life and whatever. I didn't know if it was bad drugs or stuff like that.

49:58

And then he saw that. So then he tried to backtrack and say well no it wasn't that. It was like we were having an affair for nine years and then she was

50:05

mad that I didn't want it anymore. And and anyway so that didn't work. It made it worse. Then just just and in this

50:11

moment I'd like to to segue for a sec. If someone this is what I learned when you said you learned stuff. If someone

50:17

is about to tell you something that you can tell is major right be careful

50:23

because if they tell you and then they realized what was I doing cuz they were in a moment feeling good whatever they

50:29

will hate you afterwards and do everything they possibly can and take you down. They turned you into a threat. Immediately I saw that he resented what

50:36

he did and now he knows I know and it's just got whoo and he feels like he's now under all this stuff.

50:41

So these power plays started happening on our property which I knew had to do with that. Oh dang. And so then he came

50:47

to the point where he was stoned another time. I was with a friend and he was outside our house. He just showed up and

50:54

he was complaining mad and everything. Then he said that uh

50:59

I've you know your family is easy pickings. And I thought, "What? We live in a big acorage. We don't have We

51:05

didn't have shhatters or anything at that time." And he said, "Oh, yeah. I've been I've been um patrolling around your house at

51:11

night and you're the women in your family be easy pickings and in a crossbow, but

51:18

he's looking at them naked when they're changing through the window because we're in a big prize. There's no neighbors,

51:24

right? There's nothing around." So he was watching them that he's basically telling me as a power play that I've

51:29

been looking at all year, including your wife naked and that I have a crossbow as

51:35

well, like as a psych psychopathic kind of thing, right? And so then I said, you know, then that

51:41

ended. I hadn't even talked about with my wife and then about what he said about his past, but because I didn't want I was trying to be open and not

51:48

judge for way back then. But at the same time, I'm considering I'm getting cautious, but I didn't want my wife and

51:53

everybody to know cuz I thought this is going to create a horrible scenario. He So I said, "You got to go. You got to

51:58

go. If you already had three times warning you, you got to go." Yeah. And he's not paying anything ever. So I said,

52:04

"You got to go." And then he said, "I'm going to make you pay. I'm going to make you suffer and I'm going to make you see

52:10

the inside of the system that you so love." Which I don't know why he said that part cuz I've never loved the system. I've like you, we see it, right?

52:17

But luckily he said that to the taxi driver that he got to take him away. Y

52:23

and so I thought it was just going to be some tenency thing that he had pulled because he apparently had done it with his family his whole life. Like they pay

52:28

a month's rent and then they accuse the landlord of something and then they get 11 months free whatever. So I thought that was going to happen and then

52:34

whatever you got to deal with it and so no nothing was happening. Nothing's happening. I saw him hanging around beachside or other business in

52:41

Ganges in the village. And then I thought what's he going to do? And then I get a call from the RCMP and I can

52:47

speed this one up, but get a call from the RCMP to that. Could we come to our

52:52

house and go down to beachside on the it's on the water downtown because some people are messing around with your kayaks and paddle boards. I said, "Okay,

52:59

yeah, I heard something was happening before. I'll come down." So that wasn't it. They were coercing me out of the house

53:05

down there and then when I got there, there's all these police there. They're not from here. I don't know what's going on. I thought, "Woo, something must be

53:10

big happening there." Right? So then I I get out of the car and he drops me off and then I get out to talk to the one

53:17

officer that I recognize and uh I said, "Hey, what's going on?" And he said, "Uh, Jason Watkins, you're under

53:23

arrest." And I said to him, I said, "Yeah, right. We're joking. I was joking." He said, "No, Jason." No. He

53:29

looked at me serious and then all these other police officers started moving around me w with cuffs and, you know, they got armor and everything. I don't

53:35

recognize them. And he said, "Jason Watkins, you're under arrest." And I said, "What?" And then he they

53:41

handcuffed me, pushed me forward and handcuffed me in front. It was a really busy day downtown. Anybody that knows

53:46

Salt Spring on a market day, tons of people in the sun into August. And he uh

53:51

I said, "What's I don't understand what's going on. I don't understand what's going on." And then he they surrounded me, handcuffed me, then they

53:58

took me out to these all these these had these police cars and pushed me up against the police car with my head. And there's all these people start gathering

54:04

around. I said, "What is going on? What's going on? I need to know what what am I charged with? What am I charged with? I don't have any criminal

54:09

record." Yep. What am I charged with? And he said, "We'll talk talk about that when we get to the office." I said, "I to the

54:14

station." I said, "We I need to know what now. What what am I charged with?" And he wouldn't tell me. Wouldn't tell me. Wouldn't tell me. The whole time I

54:20

guess they were I wasn't even thinking because everybody kept saying I really calm, but I just kept saying, "I don't understand. I don't understand." They

54:26

were kicking my legs out from under me, pushing my head into the thing, trying to discombobulate me. I thought, "You know what? My mind's

54:33

probably making it seem like it's going on forever. It's probably just like a minute or two." Yep. But no, they took kept me there for

54:39

like 25 minutes, half an hour, whatever. Oh, to try to humiliate humiliate me. And then I tried to get them to move me. I said, "My whole

54:45

family's here. I don't even know what's going on." And they moved me to a place that the traffic and everybody could see me better. So, this was happening

54:50

and it's right there. So, and my my son's right there. I don't even know what's going through his mind. He's 16 at the time. And so, then I uh I finally

54:59

got out of them. I made them show me. And it says that I'm a ter that I'm a terrorist and that I'm an arms

55:05

manufacturer and dealer and that I manufacture uh explosive devices, bombs and everything and I'm a dealer. I go,

55:12

"What? Oh my god, Ted." I said, "One call." I said, "You know me? What's going on? I don't understand what's going on." And then uh so then they take

55:20

me away finally, but my wife doesn't know. Now they know that I have a terrorism charge. And people are going,

55:26

"What? This is Jason. Oh my god, he's a terrorist. What? He's the opposite of a terrorist." And I was like, "You smiling

55:31

all anyway." I was like, "Okay." So they take me away. My wife Anna and the kids don't know and nobody knows where they

55:36

take me. And apparently when people are checking it out when they have when you're when you're accused of terrorism,

55:42

you go to one of these four places outside Vancouver, non-disclosed locations, to be with other terrorists. And we all know that everybody gets out

55:48

of jail. So the only ones that remain in jail are the really violent ones, right? So anyway, they don't know where I am. Then they

55:54

took me to the police station and all that time later it's super hot and then

56:00

they le they shut the doors and it's pitch black, zero light in the thing and

56:05

then they lock the doors inside this big garage compound that I've been in to to basically put me in complete sensory

56:11

deprivation like sound light everything and I'm in there in the back and they had me handcuffed with my head down in

56:17

the back seat so I couldn't move and I'm just going inside my mind like you and saying I know what they're trying to

56:24

They're trying to break me. No way. They don't know what they're doing inside and they kept me going, but they left me

56:29

there for quite a while. Then I got they opened the door, went back in. I guess they had empty the whole uh jail system.

56:36

And so then they flipped this metal thing out of the wall, this tiny little bench thing. I don't know if you ever had to sit in one of those. And I sat

56:42

there and someone had obviously thrown up or whatever before. And they So I'm sitting there, all these police I don't recognize cuz they're from off island

56:48

somewhere else. They're not obviously police. And then I tell them, I said, "So, am I gonna get out of here

56:54

tonight?" And they just wouldn't talk, wouldn't talk to me. And finally, um, they got a hold of my lawyers, are our

57:02

business lawyers, not criminal. And they got a hold of me and said, "We don't have any criminal lawyers. We're going to have to try to find a really good criminal lawyer." So, they found a

57:09

really good criminal lawyer. He calls me. I go in this little room, start talking. I says, "So, I want to get out

57:14

of here today. I'm still in the hallway with all concrete and everything." And he says, "No, you're not going to get

57:20

out here tonight." I said, "Well, when am I going to get out of here because I'm just thinking I didn't do anything. What the" He said, "You've been accused

57:25

of terrorism and arms and that this is extremely serious uh charge." And so,

57:31

what's realistically going to happen to you is you're going to be shipped to one of four non-disclosed locations outside

57:38

Vancouver with other people in terrorists, things like that. And I said, "Well, so you don't think I'm

57:43

going to get out of there tonight?" And he goes, "No, no, you're not going to get out tonight?" And he said,

57:50

In my mind, I'm thinking I'm going to work out really hard and read lots of books. So, I need to get my book. So,

57:56

anyway, that's all I could think about because I'm thinking, "Oh my god, I'm going to go seriously violent people. I need to somehow be like, "Hey, man."

58:04

So, then I thought I I said I'm all these things going through immediate through my head. Then I thought he said, "Don't say anything to them."

58:10

Yep. Because they're going to turn everything around and make you look like a criminal. And he obviously doesn't know me as you know, you and I can talk. So, I go out

58:17

in the hall. Then they put me in the room for a couple hours I think on a concrete bench inside the jail cell and

58:24

then I laid there and then I said I'm not laying here. So I just started to do a meditation. So I'm meditating and sitting there. Then the one liaison

58:31

officer that they hire in the midst of all these other interrogating officers which they had and plus security there's

58:37

a whole bunch of people and they're from different parts of Canada. Anyway, he cuz this is a major thing. They're trying to get him for it. So I uh just

58:44

basically um venting he comes out to me. He's really cool. He said, "Are you meditating?" I said, "Yeah." He said,

58:51

"Would you like anything to eat or drink?" And I said, "Well, I'm kind of hard to serve cuz I'm vegetarian." Everything. No, no worries. I'll I'll go

58:56

to the grocery store. Sweet day. He got me like a yerba mate drink. I didn't drink a thing. And he got me some some

59:02

sushi or whatever vegetarian. Any it was it was cool. So, I was being good, but I wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom

59:09

without somebody watching me. And I knew that cuz it's like I'm supposedly on suicide watch or something like that cuz

59:14

I'm going to kill myself whatever because they got me for terrorism. They're going to put me away forever. They said I probably He also said in

59:19

that call the lawyer that I probably wouldn't be able to talk or to or see my family for at least a few weeks, maybe

59:26

months, maybe more. Oh wow. So in other words, they're thinking that and so am I thinking that that I might not be able to see or hear or even know

59:32

if they're live or anything or they won't know where I am. He said they won't know where you are. You'll be gone. They won't know where you are and no communication.

59:38

So then I thought, okay, that's why I started I was meditating and I guess inside you're just trying to

59:44

let go so that things can come up is when I'm talking what's going to go on. You're not there's no agenda. Just like

59:49

I need to be clear. So then I went in the room and I think it was like six or whatever hours of interrogation in a hot

59:55

sweaty room, no air conditioning. They kept trading out the guys. There was three of them and I had to do it thing.

1:00:00

So then it got to the point like all these questions they're asking in the end cuz I'm saying how am I a terrorist?

1:00:07

And I we're going through everything. I'm smiling. I'm saying everything. I'm not holding back anything. And then uh

1:00:13

they said I said I saw they're trying to get me to expose all these different people's names about stuff. I said, "Why

1:00:18

would I bring other people's names into anything? I can handle stress. I don't want to put anybody young or old into

1:00:24

stressful situations that have done nothing wrong." And I'm and I'm starting to see that they're seeing about people

1:00:29

who are open-minded to the fact that what's going on is not real the whole,

1:00:35

you know, last five years. Yep. So then in the end, sure enough, I said, "I saw a list that you had of people's names

1:00:41

right there." And then they said, "There's no list. I was lying and everything." And then the whole thing went sideways because they had started

1:00:46

it. We developed a really good rapport and now it looks like I'm a liar. And I'm thinking, "Oh god, I saw the list." And then sure, then the head guy comes

1:00:53

back after about 5 10 minutes of it being going so sideways saying, "We are so sorry. We there was exactly that

1:00:59

list, exactly the names, everything on it. So sorry." And I said, "I'm just sorry. I don't want to get him in trouble or anything." He said, "Why are

1:01:04

you doing that?" No, we're sorry. We're that you're just talking. So, I just kept talking. The opposite of what my lawyer said, right? Which is again,

1:01:11

don't trust authority sometimes. If you feel like you're being authentic and true and you know that you don't have anything to hide,

1:01:16

then talk. Absolutely. Well, okay. So, that's a principle that I applied throughout our whole case, which was incredibly

1:01:22

abnormal. But had I not spoken out, the media would have had the N word on the narrative, and they would have been able

1:01:28

to do anything they wanted to because the only public evidence would have been what the media put out. So you have to

1:01:34

talk in some instances. If you got nothing to hide, you have to talk. And and all the stuff learning before that of I don't care what people names

1:01:41

people call me and everything. Who cares? They're just reacting because they don't actually know and they're behaving in ways that are woo disheartening but at the same time hope

1:01:48

and fear thing. Yeah. So So back to that I said he was good. Then the whole last part of it became

1:01:56

about my vaccine stance. I said I don't have a vaccine stance. I said, "I look

1:02:02

at information. I have a lot of education in this." I said, "You're trying to psychologically manipulate me

1:02:08

and I know because I've studied all this before." They said, "We know that you're smart." That's said, "That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I know you're

1:02:14

trying to No, we're not. Yeah, you are trying to manipulate me. I'm just going to tell you what I know to be true." Then it was really good. The rapport

1:02:20

after that then came up the entire last part of it was all about my vaccine

1:02:25

stance, which I said, "I don't have a stance. I want informed consent like we've always had. So, I'm sharing what

1:02:30

has always been standard practice up until 2019. We're going against everything and then we're acting like

1:02:36

everybody that's talking about what we did in 2000 till 2019 is is conspiracy theory and that we're all hocus pocus

1:02:42

science than ours. We're the exact opposite. We're sharing what exactly was the science for 60 years in western

1:02:47

medicine. So, anyway, they wanted me to explain everything. So I started talking about the PCR and all these different me

1:02:54

and rotations and then the uh CFR versus IFR and that the going through the

1:03:00

different doctors what they' done and then also the treatment protocols and and pandemic protocols were going against everything and how mass anyway

1:03:07

then the one guy said can I can you stop for a second and then he got the other

1:03:12

guy and then the other guy listening and then three of them wanted me to repeat everything. So basically, I could see

1:03:18

that not only was there rapport there because I knew I was going to get out,

1:03:24

but there was also an interest to to then defend their own thinking that they already had suspicions and you could

1:03:30

tell that then they could present that to their superior so they didn't fire them, man them out, right? Right. So I could see what's going on. So the

1:03:37

the back end what was happening in this whole 6 and 1 half hour period

1:03:43

that I was being interrogated was even though I gave them the codes they had bashed down this really nice fence

1:03:50

system. They had put on the national media and the US pictures of the front

1:03:55

of our place which everyone knew the owner of Pirakas the owners of Piraka live on Salt Spring and they have the

1:04:02

tralers or similar that's on our gates right so they knew it was us and they had cops with big armor and big guns everything right there saying like that

1:04:08

we're were being raided so they sent SWAT helicopters supposed to be the the largest uh at the time the

1:04:14

large maybe still the largest um SWAT in the history of Canada it must have cost

1:04:19

so much there's people that I know in RCMP that figure it's in the millions of cost. So they sent a SWAT helicopter

1:04:25

that that went low and that was surfacing armored helicopter through the whole neighborhood for 3 hours or

1:04:31

something like that. They sent in their armored SWAT tank basically to bash down the f the gate

1:04:37

because they want to use their toys, you know, and then they had whole bunch of armed

1:04:42

uh big officers fully like look like you know swap military carriers, big guns and the big gun on the armored vehicle

1:04:49

which is I don't know what millimeter is huge. And then they had uh num numerous armored dog units.

1:04:55

Yep. So they sent them all up, all the fairies in Salt Spring, three of them. They were bringing them in all the different ranges and then they even

1:05:02

pinned somebody down in our house. Our friend was here and they pinned her down on the floor. She's like just over 5T

1:05:07

and wouldn't let her move with big guns and everything. She thought she was listening to she's she's in the house and she normally has her music on, but

1:05:15

she just listening to the music outwardly and said, "Stop. Put your hands up." And she thought that was in

1:05:20

the song. So she ran in the engine and then she sees there's a tank moving right up to the window and all these guys are fleeing with dogs out of the

1:05:26

thing and then they come up with guns. So anyways, major stress for our our friend like she it's definitely PTSD.

1:05:33

She still years later when she hears a helicopter or anything it's like intense stress. It was shaking all the houses.

1:05:38

It was a huge heavy helicopter and all the neighbors are freaking out. U all our kids are freaking out. They don't

1:05:44

know where I am. They went through every aspect of our our our property because

1:05:49

he said we had underground bunkers with militia and all this stuff. Made up all these crazy stories. That guy that that

1:05:55

was accused of or sorry that got convicted of raping his mom. Yep. And then we find out that he has restraining orders and everything for

1:06:01

threatening to burn down places and kill people even on Salt Spring even under his fake. So So hold on. He he has

1:06:08

ongoing criminal cases against him with restraining orders and all that.

1:06:14

And yet they are exploiting the testimony

1:06:19

of a convicted felon. They're they're taking his testimony and

1:06:25

they're now exploiting it to come at you guns blazing. Really? Like they they're

1:06:31

all hands on deck. Let's take down operation. Take down Jason. Yep. And I feel like it's interesting

1:06:36

because it had to go all the way to the prime minister's office and Ly's office, the RCMP. So, Mr. Trudeau, you're not a

1:06:43

very cool guy, just so we know. Anyway, they it was at a time when they

1:06:49

wanted to silence certain voices on the internet because I was public. I I always had people coming up. I told you

1:06:55

that they said, "Thank you so much for what you're doing." Because I was just supplying information. I tried to bring humor to it once in a while, too, to

1:07:01

make like look at this. Does this make any sense to you? like like what the plexiglass now I'm here now I'm here now

1:07:07

I'm here now all anyways we joke just a joke to try to bring light to it because the only way humor can disarm people

1:07:12

obviously um so they wanted me shut down and so

1:07:18

that's how they did it and they used him but there's no way that a judge would

1:07:23

have signed off on that especially looking at his history right there's no way and they did meaning that

1:07:30

they went after me so we have you know a suit against them and they need They need to buck up and pay for things that

1:07:36

you did to us. But at the same time, I'm not getting all riled and everything about it, but I'll talk about it a lot.

1:07:42

Like David, we'll talk about it and expose the kind of mechanisms and also a lot of you I know cuz I met a lot of you

1:07:48

RCMP during the process. You didn't want to be there and you didn't even want to start it cuz they were doing investigations before we were there.

1:07:54

Like they for instance, they laid on our property. They had to they had to um

1:07:59

reveal it in paperwork when I was released that for 15 to 19 hours they

1:08:04

were on our property on a certain date before this scoping out the property. We weren't there. There was six women, our

1:08:13

daughters included, 18 to 22 I think at the time that were having this mama mia party. That's why they didn't hear

1:08:18

anything. It's so loud the music our dog was inside. He would have known and they saw lights going off but they just thought it was deer. And the the dog

1:08:25

didn't hear anything because the music. Anyways, they were laying and I saw where they were laying in the spots. You can see it clearly.

1:08:31

They were watching and the girls were getting changed in the nude into costumes in between.

1:08:39

And the window that they were looking at is right there. So, you want me to stop talking, stop doing stuff like that to

1:08:45

people and start thinking about the people, not about who you're trying to protect and just doing your job because

1:08:50

that is really sick. So anyways, that happened and so that's just going to rile me up, right? Because anytime when

1:08:57

people do stuff to to women like that is violation. Even our even our lawyer saying that's

1:09:03

who this is way over the line. They should have stopped right then because they didn't see anything. They just kept going which indicates an

1:09:10

agenda. So my my thing is I didn't get I'm not angry at them but I'm like you.

1:09:16

If you don't keep talking and don't make somehow that they have to compensate or

1:09:23

that there's a consequence for their actions, what whatever so that they don't do it again. Even if a whole bunch

1:09:28

of them, this gets exposed a whole bunch of them used their conscience and their empathy instead of following orders for

1:09:36

a hierarchy that is based on corruption and is protecting a corrupt governance and even all the other governance. If

1:09:43

you knew the history of some of the the different law enforcements agencies of the world and who they're beholden to,

1:09:49

like with the UN and different things like that, then you would recognize they're not for the people, but a lot of them would like to be for the people and

1:09:54

that's why they got into it. So, I want to recognize that and say, "All of you please stand up." I met a lot of people,

1:10:00

including during that whole thing, they couldn't believe what happened. So, this to me, we we got out of it.

1:10:06

They found nothing on the property whatsoever. And I did get out that night. So, at 1:00 a.m. my family came,

1:10:11

my my wife, our three our three kids, and our dog came to to pick me up at the

1:10:18

door, and the police were not from there. So, they pressed the button to let me out, but the button was actually

1:10:23

for officer in distress. So, then everybody engaged us. So, we chuckled at

1:10:28

the same time. Like, I got along well with them cuz I knew that they were thinking that I am somehow a bad guy.

1:10:35

And the whole idea of this Napoleonic justice where you're guilty until proven innocent kind of idea is just such BS.

1:10:42

And also if they just come and talk to me for crying out loud, they could see that I'm not a terrorist. Holy smoke. Or

1:10:47

talk to anybody else. But that was the case. They did talk to lots of people that indicated, oh my god, these people are definitely not anything like that.

1:10:53

They're the opposite of that. They still did it. And to me, that shows how sick

1:10:59

the last 5 years were. that people that we actually knew and got along with said

1:11:04

our names that we should have a bullet in the head and pointed to their head. Stuff like that or hung

1:11:09

that happened. That indicates you're being manipulated in an extreme way to say that about somebody that's just

1:11:15

sharing information. But that's where I feel like you and I stood up cuz we had to stand up. But it

1:11:21

didn't feel like you're, oh, look at me. I'm standing up. No, it felt like if you don't stand up, I'm not being true to

1:11:26

myself. I told my my mom that, too. My dad. My dad, he's doesn't think like this. But he said, "You got to stop cuz

1:11:31

they're going to kill you. They're This is before the RCMBB. They're going to kill you if you keep talking like this."

1:11:37

I said, "I can't stop. I I you know what? I can't stop because I need to share this information so whoever

1:11:43

doesn't want to do it doesn't do it even if they have to lose their job and everything because the repercussions I

1:11:50

already knew of that too cuz the the um mRNA IDM was familiar with the technology with the the ferret trials

1:11:56

which they're not going to talk about with you that I knew that that would never be a successful drug ever they would never be able to release it

1:12:02

because of what it did to the in the ferret trials back in I think 90s or and then when that's another thing when it they said they're talking about that

1:12:08

already in fast back in I was whoa this is bad stuff something bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad cuz I

1:12:13

already knew all the stuff that I knew was going to happen I also knew the time lag on a lot of it doesn't happen with

1:12:19

majority within the first even days or months or anything it happens quite a bit after but it's a cumulative thing

1:12:25

where the immune system is totally messed up then you keep getting boosters and a whole bunch of other stuff so I thought okay this is wrong it's all

1:12:31

coming out in the states he's bringing stuff out slowly yep and I feel like there's no way back now

1:12:38

They can't keep it up. If we keep talking and keep rising, even in stuff

1:12:43

like this, the weeble, I'm just going to be a weeble. I don't care if that I don't care if people call me weeble. Is the idea is meeting people like you that

1:12:51

stood up. Meeting your dad when I needed to meet him back then, but meeting you, you've been through to me what you went

1:12:57

through is a lot more intense cuz it's so close to home and emotional and

1:13:02

there's a big loss than mine. But I still relate to the ayat of overstepping

1:13:07

in the fact that justice is not justice. And if you study ancient philosophy, ancient wisdom, you know that we are

1:13:13

just like in Orwellian times where we flipped everything on its head. Y there's mass surveillance all the stuff

1:13:19

they're doing. And then if you read Brave New World with Huxley, you can see that he just said just throw out so much

1:13:25

information everybody's confused and they give up. Yep. Creates a freeze response which is what they've done in places like Guantanamo

1:13:31

and that to to create. But the saving grace of all that is when they did that research I think it was in Guantan with

1:13:37

terrorists. This is where I to me want to end and I want to see what you want to say is is they said yes they were

1:13:43

able to basically keep changing the information non-stop back and forth back and forth back and forth. We're doing 180s all the time.

1:13:49

Y and after a while people just give up and they will give up to an authority

1:13:54

figure and then they will tell they'll do and say what you want them to say. M it's a way to to instead of physical

1:14:00

torture or humiliation something like that is it gets you so too much

1:14:05

information back I don't know who to believe and then you give up and the the crazy thing was two things number one

1:14:11

that over 80% of people gave up h the positive side is I think it was

1:14:16

something like 13 or 17% or something in there they didn't give up no matter what they did they would not give up to an

1:14:23

authority figure they stayed strong yep and then the other one that was crazy was that even when the experimenters

1:14:30

told the people that everything they said was a lie that almost none of them would even

1:14:37

listen to the very person that convinced them of false things was telling them the truth and they would stick their

1:14:42

feet in because they didn't want to hear they were so tired of thinking for themsel they just didn't want to think

1:14:48

anymore that's why it's so easy to see right when you see somebody you try to convince and give data they don't listen

1:14:53

I don't want I don't want to hear I don't want to hear that's Mark Twain right where he says It's easier to fool somebody than to

1:14:58

convince them they've been fooled. It's crazy. And there's the ego and everything involved there. I just want to say that they did. They've they've

1:15:04

used these tricks over thousands of years. They've learned and learned and learned to learn. So, they had a heads up on us. Now that people have been

1:15:10

exposed to these things, especially on social media in a mass way, we don't have to fall for them anymore. And they

1:15:15

also said that that 17% that didn't listen in these different trials that

1:15:20

they started convincing the other ones because most people just give up. Yeah,

1:15:26

but a great percentage, you know this too, right? Um Matias Desmond is really good at exposing that the idea that

1:15:31

there's a large percentage of people that just do what they're told because they don't want to get involved in it even if they don't believe it. But if

1:15:37

they see the other se 17 or whatever percent standing up, standing up, standing up, they gradually go that way cuz nobody wants to be considered a

1:15:44

loser kind of idea. The idea and the losing side becomes the side that's based on a fiction.

1:15:49

Yep. That followed what they were told told to do. So the the middle group starts to recognize, you know what, that's not

1:15:55

going to be the easy way anymore. The might is right, the herd mentality and the bullying and the yelling, they're

1:16:01

just going to look like losers. Like the idea, I'm just using that term because it's back in my day is you want to be

1:16:07

with the side that you see that's rising. And the unfortunate part, we have to go through this pain and people

1:16:13

that shouldn't be in power get power. Yep. And it's happening in a great way right now. You divide them by all these

1:16:19

letters that people are giving. People say that's about equality. It's not about equality. It's known as a tactic to divide. So all of these different

1:16:26

things that they're pushing on us. And whenever you get pushed on something from a minority Greek, you know that

1:16:31

it's a it's a tactic using social engineering. So, I feel like everybody's figuring it out cuz I feel I have such

1:16:37

faith in mankind uh that there's an there's an ability

1:16:42

once it's awakened that starts to like light up the whole area like that ancient analogy. This is

1:16:48

my last thing and I want see your last words. This is my last words I promise. Is that idea that in a dark a cave

1:16:55

that's been completely dark for 10,000 years, which to me relates to all of our

1:17:00

the dark we don't know what's going on in the world really. Yeah. and that all it takes is one candle to light up a

1:17:05

small area and once you've seen it, you can't unseen it. And then you want to light it up with a torch. So, it's all

1:17:11

about how do I light that thing fully up. It's not about how do I ignore that like uh what's this in the Matrix?

1:17:17

Cipher. He just wants to forget everything and go back in, right? It's not about that. It's about almost

1:17:23

nobody can forget when they've seen something. And you you and I have been exposed to the the corruption levels,

1:17:29

the lying, plus my whole thing always is the political

1:17:35

system. Why would you listen to people that you wouldn't even want as friends?

1:17:40

Exactly. Why do you do that? And with nefarious track records, right?

1:17:45

It's because we have an innate in in in our lazy mindset and we are

1:17:53

just like everything else. Electricity finds the most direct route. Water finds the most direct route. Right? Everything

1:17:59

in nature is looking for its easiest way back into the the lowest

1:18:04

area. Humans are are no different. Right. In our in our natural state, if we just go by default or go with the

1:18:11

flow where we are complacent, yes, we will naturally find the easiest way

1:18:16

down, not recognizing that you got to come back up. Y right. And so in that laziness, we want

1:18:22

to put our hope in somebody else. It's easier because it absolves ourselves of personal responsibility. And responsibility comes with a great level

1:18:29

of, you know, duty, right? Like you have to work for it, right? You have to account for it. You have to say my circumstances are a

1:18:36

result of my action or inaction, right? So it's always easier to say a politician will save us.

1:18:43

Yes. Right. It's easier. Let's just do that. Right. Let's go protest our way out. Right. Let's I'll just here's my

1:18:48

responsibility. I'm going to grab a sign. I'm just going to protest. Yeah, but what are you actually doing? What What are you doing to become that

1:18:54

change? I know that you're demanding of everybody else. I know you're pointing out their immoral

1:19:00

immorality. What have you done to change your immorality? You're pointing out their evil heart.

1:19:05

What have you done to correct your evil heart? Exactly. Right. And so, yeah, it's always easier to point it external

1:19:12

to externalize and say they'll save it. They'll change it. They need to change it. It's their issue. They created it.

1:19:18

No, we're we're all in a collective here and we've helped create the ambiance of what we're in in relation to the

1:19:24

political environment, in relation to the, you know, the turmoil that's around us, in relation to the environment,

1:19:30

whatever it is, we we've been a part of it in one way or another, either for the good or for the bad. We've either helped

1:19:35

propel something forward or helped hold it at bay based on our personal actions.

1:19:41

But I want to talk about, you know, real quick. I just want to broach the topic surrounding the fear that comes with it

1:19:48

where, you know, your your father's saying, you know, you keep on speaking. They're going to kill you. Kill you. Well, me and my siblings would have

1:19:55

conversations saying, I wonder when when they're going to kill dad. Yes. Right. Because he refused to stop speaking. Right. And then

1:20:02

I end up in the circumstances where I then had to speak out. But I come to the realization that when you

1:20:10

fear death, you cease to live. That's right. You have to live. You have to die to live.

1:20:15

Yeah. Like die to that that that attachment and the strength of attachment to the lower parts of yourself.

1:20:21

Yeah. Then you truly live. It's it's interesting the very self-preservation that comes into play to try to uh

1:20:29

prevent harm to to limit risk actually does the exact opposite where we we

1:20:35

don't live. We become constricted. It's like a stress armoring. We're armoring oursel and constricting our our viewpoints and

1:20:41

everything. We are literally putting on our own shackles, our shackles of our own creation through trying to preserve life

1:20:48

by minimizing risk. As soon as we break out of that, we're free. We're free to

1:20:53

speak when we no longer fear death. And that that's actually the most liberating thing that one can do, I find, in life,

1:20:59

is to no longer fear death and realize there's probably something far greater

1:21:04

on the other side anyways. And we're here for a purpose. And we ought not to allow, you know, the fear of the

1:21:10

physical, you know, diminishing to preser or prevent us from being able to rise up

1:21:17

spiritually who we need to be. when you sorry I'm talking see I promise but the allegory of the cave in played in the

1:21:24

republic y when he talks about when you so basically there's a whole bunch of ways of telling the story but basically

1:21:29

there's all these guys in a cave you've probably heard it before and then all they know as their whole life are

1:21:35

shadows on the wall of light coming behind them they don't even know what they look like or anything other than the shadows on the wall so their whole

1:21:41

reality is is shadow and then one of the say in this case you could say one of the chains that is

1:21:46

binding one of them to the It rusts out and the guy is able to

1:21:51

stand up and turn around and walk out of the cave and he sees this absolutely stunning beautiful world and he can't

1:21:57

believe it. It's just almost bedazzi almost give him a heart attack. There's a frog in the well story that's similar.

1:22:02

Anyway, so he goes back. He's got to tell these people, "Oh my god, this is not real life. Everything's real life

1:22:08

out there." And then they think he's crazy and try to knock him off. That was happening, I think, back 2020 when

1:22:15

people were trying to light up all over the world. that saw the signs of psychological manipulation, social

1:22:20

engineering. They saw the signs coming before that with the practice run in 2019. So then you say, okay, they're

1:22:27

trying their best and some people just couldn't do it because it's too much pain and they take themselves. Fear of

1:22:33

death, also fear of ego death because especially about dying physically, right? The fear of your reputation,

1:22:38

everything. Some people are really aligned with that. Instead of character, they care about what other people think of them. That's when that's what we got

1:22:44

to die to. Die to what other people think of you. focus on character rather than reputation. Reputation means

1:22:49

nothing because it's the sign of the masses. So this idea now though in that allegory of the cave

1:22:55

before you would go back to the cave and you felt like nobody's listening. Mhm. Now say you have a hundred people in

1:23:02

that cave. You go back to the cave maybe you had one person out of a thousand before. Say a thousand people. Now I

1:23:08

feel like it's getting pretty hot that you go back to the cave and you say, "Are you sure you don't want to come outside here because it's

1:23:15

pretty nice out here?" And then I feel like they're getting it and I feel super confident. Not just

1:23:21

hopeful. I already know what's happening now. It's just how it happens. Y we don't have to control the demolition

1:23:28

like like people that are in control are trying to do. We have to accelerate but

1:23:33

in a way that help that's gentle with people that cleansing, nourishing and balancing rather than stimulate,

1:23:40

suppress, cut and burn of the modern way is no people people are there to talk

1:23:45

to. Mhm. And people are there for anybody that's starting to see all these different things and that left and right is all

1:23:52

BS. It's it's one side of the same thing. There's two sides of the same thing is that there's a whole bunch of

1:23:58

people that have different aptitudes that talk different people in a nice way. Nobody's all mad at everybody.

1:24:04

Everybody just wants people to stop into this blaming and horrible malicious kind of behavior and and maligning people uh

1:24:12

to see, hey, stop. If you want to hear things, you're going to resonate with

1:24:17

somebody and just open up a dialogue. Yep. And you'll see that whoa, it's a really friendly place with a lot of

1:24:24

these people because people just want to finally talk again and to see that people are actually listening and back

1:24:30

and forth again. Not an argument, it's a discourse. And I'm I already see it happening because I do a lot of

1:24:35

lectures. So do you. The sentiment has changed so much in the past few months especially in a big big way. And I think

1:24:41

it has to do with a lot of stuff going on in the media with all these clowns that are running the show. Like for

1:24:46

instance that right now in the political climate we have basically a banker

1:24:52

and a billionaire on the other side that are at the helm of each of our supposed sovereign

1:24:59

countries. And you think what the heck this that is like the definition to me kind of of a clown show. We're in the

1:25:05

midst of a clown show and people are defending all these different characters from the left and right liberal

1:25:10

conservative. It's all a long game. It and plus you should see all of them are

1:25:17

fueling the belief that you can deal with things and change things for the

1:25:22

better in these times by changing the political party, right? Which both of you and I saw it doesn't

1:25:29

change anything. The bureaucracies in place. They do the same things to us as they said they wouldn't do.

1:25:36

Mhm. And basically got to see then what do you do about that? Well, then you don't.

1:25:41

It's basically just non-compliance. Well, as soon as you liberate yourself from the whole facade surrounding

1:25:48

politics, you're left with a lot more energy and time to put elsewhere into

1:25:53

things that will actually make a difference in your life. Exactly. And that was one of the things through co I was invited uh to numerous

1:26:00

rallies to speak at these freedom rallies and I would generally just deny it because I just the message that I was

1:26:07

going to convey was a message that a lot of people weren't ready to hear. Yes. Totally. Has to be right timing.

1:26:12

Right. But I did take the opportunity twice and and the one time there was a few thousand people there and I remember

1:26:18

distinctly as I'm talking because I was following like Dr. Lee Merritt and

1:26:23

whatever, right? and they're all talking about what's going on with COVID and the facts and the evidence and this and that. And you've got all these people and

1:26:29

they're going to go on a walk after the rally, right, where we have this big stage and this big open field and big PA

1:26:35

system and then they're going to go for a walk with all these picket signs. And my message was basically taking

1:26:42

individual responsibility. Yes. Change who you are as an individual. Empower yourself.

1:26:49

Gather together with like-minded people. generate a sense of community, start to become off-grid, whatever, like get into

1:26:56

these and people like that when they start seeing that it's working. First, they make fun of it, but when they see it keeps, whoa, that's interesting.

1:27:03

Yeah, that's interesting. Happy too. A lot. So, there was people that were willing to receive it, but I distinctly

1:27:09

remember the last one I did and it was actually quite funny where there was one individual who was standing near the

1:27:15

stage and all of a sudden he starts yelling, "What you talking? What you talking?" Right? cuz he couldn't grasp

1:27:21

what I was even saying because everyone else is saying take back our power, protest, politicians, blah blah blah,

1:27:29

whatever. And I'm saying pull back from it. Stop engaging in that system. You're

1:27:34

fueling it. You think that that that's where your salvation's going to come from is by going to politics. You think

1:27:39

they're going to come and save you? No. No, they're not. And to me, like you say, the protest idea, right? Even if

1:27:46

you got all the heart and everything in it, yes, it's part of a picture, but if you have those old pictures of the

1:27:52

rulers of places and they're looking at all the people with the pitchforks and shovel protesting instead of saying,

1:27:58

"Oh, we got something to worry about." They're, "Oh, look at those guys down there protesting."

1:28:04

Right. Right. It's entertainment in essence. Did it change what they No.

1:28:10

And also in in the belief that you don't have the power

1:28:15

that disempowerment idea, it comes with resentment. And so in a lot of people that you meet that are

1:28:21

maybe part of this, there's a deep I think a few things I've noticed is that

1:28:27

there's anger, but there's also a superiority complex that whatever they believe, everything else is BS. And

1:28:35

that's what I think people get caught up in politics, they literally will fall in line with whatever they're told from

1:28:41

that party, which is totally it. It's a sign of ignorance 100%. Because not everything that someone's going to state

1:28:47

to you, especially on that level, could be a fact in reality. And so everything's being used as tools of

1:28:53

manipulation. When people figure that out, it's been used forever. Y I think but that's what before you you

1:28:59

were thought of as a conspiracy theorist again. Now you're thought of as someone who's what do they know? It's it's more

1:29:05

of that. And yes, you're going to have those hardliners that stick in that are that the squeaky wheel, the mouthy ones

1:29:10

and the judgmental ones or simply the bots. There's just tons and tons and tons of bots that aren't they're not

1:29:16

even people and you think they're people and that's why they use such aggressive language because they're trying to provoke emotional responses which makes

1:29:21

you more easily controlled. again anytime that so the idea of placing I I think this is to

1:29:27

me if we want to get out of this the the idea in the in the west that we have to

1:29:33

place so much importance on our emotions like they're a true and realistic thing because they're not real a true you

1:29:39

can't grab an emotion right you can feel certain things but then you conceptually add labels to it which then

1:29:45

make you angry at someone or he or she caused me to be angry or attached

1:29:50

whatever impatient no it's basically Basically, you get the feeling of the energy that runs through you. If you let

1:29:56

it flow, that's let it flow. Let it flow you through it. Don't put a thing on it. Don't attach it to something. You can

1:30:01

use that energy for stuff like this to rise up and feel like you have some sense of power. Cuz anytime they keep

1:30:07

draining your energy, it's like a river that keeps on shooting and losing off in in ribbullets. Or a better one, say you

1:30:14

are like a pulse that runs through a copper wire. Mhm. And that's who you are as a pulse.

1:30:20

And then you have the insul insulator like the the rubber whatever that's wrapped in it red, green, yellow, blue, whatever is that inside you that pulse

1:30:27

is really strong and can fire up say a light at the end in huge brilliance. But if you keep making cracks in that

1:30:35

insulation and you keep on losing power which is whenever they make you emotional y or react or or lose give your power to

1:30:42

somebody else it's basically like draining the power by the end you can't even light up a little light. Yep. Great. basic, right? So, you're

1:30:48

basically know that all it takes then is get out the electrician's tape and wrap

1:30:53

that thing again and you have full power. So, it doesn't take recre dealing

1:30:58

with every single emotion and this is I'm not worthy all this kind of stuff. We are worthy and the the idea is we're

1:31:04

like a pulse and we have to capture the pulse. If we do that and ignite with people that have

1:31:10

a pulse, it's unstoppable. And it's not just this is not hyperbo hyperbolic or anything.

1:31:15

This is about we all are powerful enough that when we rise

1:31:21

together in and be authentic and not say I'm authentic, right? Just to be like what

1:31:28

you feel is true in your heart. Yep. That that that their mind will then follow the heart. Right now the head is following the

1:31:34

heart. That's always been an issue is people thinking that they control everything with their head and that's just BS. And we we know that's what the

1:31:41

idea of oh leave this one word. I think this is a cool word when you talked about we're not uh doing enough self

1:31:48

introspection. Basically the word for introspection in uh

1:31:55

in Sanskrit is is and then the opposite is

1:32:01

mean non introspection. you're not looking inside enough or in Tibetan it's

1:32:08

so basically those words are cool recognizing that we're not actually

1:32:14

looking inside and that we're blaming the world for everything and we're just spewing stuff

1:32:19

and all of these different things that's so obvious are about manipulative

1:32:25

techniques. Absolutely. And every time you give a minority group a huge amount of

1:32:32

attention, it's an obvious trigger that the government and the people that are in control and power are using that to

1:32:39

wedge you. It's a weapon. Absolutely. And so we can see that today. What's happened instead of focusing on all the

1:32:45

things that we're focusing on about all these different minority groups getting all these special rights and all that kind of stuff, what about people that

1:32:50

don't have houses? What about people that can't afford food? What about uh war veterans that are not they're being

1:32:56

treated like they're nothing all that kind matters. That's community and and so we're trying

1:33:02

to destroy community and the idea of tradition. We're throwing the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. Yeah,

1:33:07

there's negatives and everything, but there's so much positive and and we did not commit the sins of

1:33:12

our forefathers and that whole seven generations of of guilt. That's not true because at the the base of things,

1:33:19

matter is not even real. That's scientific. Mhm. So basically, it's in state of flux and

1:33:24

flow. So the idea that you keep on making all of everyone responsible for all of their ancestors

1:33:31

is BS. That keeps the game alive. That's their game. Yeah. They keep playing us to make it look like we all have skin in the game

1:33:39

against each other. No, we don't. That's in the past. And people learn from the past, too. They're not their forefathers cuz people learn. Yes, certain things of

1:33:47

trauma can keep escalating, but they can also change. Again, that idea we can change is you got that that story about

1:33:55

one guy's an alcoholic, one guy's not an alcoholic, brothers. Mhm. And the dad was an alcoholic. Mhm. And they asked the two sons

1:34:02

separately. They got that son that's an alcoholic, why are you an alcoholic? Cuz my dad was an alcoholic. And they asked

1:34:07

the other son that's not doesn't drink, why are you why don't you drink? Cuz my dad was an alcoholic. So again, you we

1:34:13

can't keep blaming everything like that. It's we can break the chain at any moment.

1:34:19

Yes. instead of I like there's the anybody who watched the Game of Thrones and Daenerys Targaryen people don't like

1:34:25

that or whatever or certain things but there's certain pretty powerful marks in it she said even though she turned out

1:34:30

bad in the end what she said she said I'm not here to change the wheel I'm here to break the wheel so what does

1:34:37

that mean it doesn't make you some violent it make it means that you're no longer allowing people to maintain power

1:34:44

over you that have no real power over you and that when you operate from in the heart, you're outside of their game.

1:34:51

Yep. What does that take? It takes enough people acting like mosquitoes to realize that they can be a problem.

1:34:57

Y and stand up in and it can be entirely peaceful ways. But that's when standing

1:35:03

up in confidence, not in blame. Like for instance, I heard there's certain people that would never participate throughout

1:35:09

time in negative things like anti-war. It' be more pro peace. So just show

1:35:15

people what we you want by being that like Nelson Mandel said, be be the change you want to see in the world.

1:35:21

It's a misquote of Gandhi. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Gandhi didn't Gandhi didn't say it. Gandhi. That's right. And and that's actually a great example.

1:35:28

I was thinking about the example of Gandhi when you were Yeah. Now Nelson Mandela had a lot of good

1:35:34

things to say as well. Um in fact actually this is interesting because part of the message I would say is learn

1:35:41

to go with the intuition because right after I was charged

1:35:47

I felt impressed upon not because of any external um force I felt impressed upon

1:35:53

in within me too. So this is February 2012 or February 2013 right?

1:35:58

I need to go and purchase the books the works of Gandhi and the works of Martin Luther King. And I thought, well,

1:36:05

logically that would also include the works of Nelson Mandela. So I went and bought all of those books and I did get

1:36:10

through the works of Martin Luther King and Gandhi. And phenomenal the lessons that you learn from that that when we

1:36:16

rise up together. Yes. Right. That it's unstoppable. You can kill.

1:36:21

It doesn't matter because there'll be someone else. The pulse is already there. Exactly. It's within. Right. There's

1:36:26

already a spirit to it that it's moving in the right direction. And you know there was people that were mowed down by

1:36:33

machine guns. Yeah. Brutal. And yet they continued on in India. It actually only further propelled it right

1:36:40

when the forces of the dark forces trying to hold it down. The more they did so the more it rose up. So there's

1:36:47

lessons to be learned there. But yeah so Gandhi is quoted for saying be the change that you want to see in the world. He actually didn't say that. It's

1:36:53

it's it's much more um comprehensive what he said and that is an encapsulation

1:36:59

to it like a paraphrase right but when you actually take his full length sentence it's phenomenal I I feel like sometime that again taking

1:37:05

things out of context which I've never read uh Gandhi is uh when you actually

1:37:10

read some of these source texts which I've been doing forever now when I went into comparative religion philosophy the source texts say nothing like what

1:37:18

you think they here here's here is a big misquote that I I've said on other shows

1:37:23

that I think you'll love has to do with the whole masculine feminine the dark and the light kind of sides inside you

1:37:30

is that story that people have heard about the the two wolves when the grandson when the grandfather says to

1:37:36

the little grandson right he says there's two wolves that live inside you a white wolf that represents you know virtue and love and all that kind of

1:37:42

stuff you think of as virtuous and there's a black wolf and uh that represents darkness violence

1:37:49

all that kind of stuff so grandson says which one wins yeah he so he says Uh yeah, which one goes and he says the one you feed. So

1:37:56

that's the common way of telling it amongst us. So it's basically a hard and fast rule with good good and evil.

1:38:02

But the ancients didn't think like that. They said everything's nuanced instead of flow and in every side there's a

1:38:08

polarity. So in the white wolf like I mentioned earlier in the day the white wolf represents yes love and openness

1:38:13

and wisdom and beauty and togetherness and community all these different things empathy. But when it's on its negative

1:38:20

pole, it represents resentment and constriction, fear and all that kind of thing, right? So it's basically there's

1:38:26

two different poles. And then same as the black wolf represents, yes, violence and hostility, aggression, and patience,

1:38:32

all the things you'd think of the fight response kind of, but in in the positive light, it represents confidence, piercing

1:38:39

intellect, skillfulness, joy, enthusiasm. Right? So there's two sides. So anyway, when they tell the

1:38:45

story, they he says, "Um, which one do you feed?" He says, "Which one do you

1:38:50

feed?" The grandson says, he says, "You feed them both." Mhm. Because if you just feed the white wolf

1:38:57

thinking it represents all the positive parts of the white wolf, right? The black wolf is left there

1:39:02

thinking you're trying to make it look bad. Right. Right. And so it's left there lurking, lurking, lurking. It's waiting for the

1:39:08

opportunity as it tells in the ancient I think it's Dakota Lakota is they it's waiting for the opportunity for the

1:39:14

white wolf to have something happen that knocks it down then it jumps out. When it jumps out it's on its negative pole

1:39:19

side. So you see that a lot when people keep repressing all of these energies and that that come up as if they're bad

1:39:26

and violent. It's the concepts that make and the train of thought they keep latching on and blaming people. And if

1:39:31

you just feel the energy, if you don't have the the black wool, so to speak, you won't act

1:39:36

right. Everything has to be passive and peaceful and everything, otherwise you get stressed out like that and then you

1:39:41

constrict and that causes like depression and anxiet stuff. So if you get the black wolf, you recognize the

1:39:47

black wolf, keep feeding it, they're both happy and they both stay working together imbalance. So this idea again,

1:39:54

this manipulative technique of calling everything toxic masculinity like they've done that actually represents

1:40:00

the piercing positive side, the confident um skillful

1:40:05

acting when you need to act, not enabling people. That's a distortion of ancient teaching that works to

1:40:12

manipulate. So I I love it because I feel like is that's what I would love everybody to hear in these if you can

1:40:18

rise up and you recognize both sides of you. Yep. And you don't keep labeling the things

1:40:24

just go with the energies the flows like prana chi lung numa spiritus whatever

1:40:29

you go with that it it can fire you up and you then you ignite your heart like you don't get trapped up in anger and

1:40:35

hostility and blame and all this stuff and why am I bad all this back in my past. Yeah you can do that but it takes

1:40:40

forever. What if you just actually engage the energies and transform them into this positive idea? And I think

1:40:46

sometimes you do that naturally when you believe in something enough. When you're confident in something enough and you feel purposeful, those energies just

1:40:53

transform and allow you to keep going. Mhm. So I feel like we we are obviously

1:40:58

partaking of that. It's like an ancient, it's a legacy that we have or a lineage,

1:41:05

an ancient lineage we have within us that allows us to keep lit up

1:41:11

in face of adversity. Y and then if you trust that more like you said, you do you trust it. You don't

1:41:16

listen to anybody else. Y if you let that grow, you're going with it. It get it gets me thinking uh and this

1:41:23

goes back to um I believe the book is called or the set of essays is power to

1:41:28

love if I'm recalling properly. been it's been well over a decade since I've read it and that's from Martin Luther

1:41:33

King but one of the essays in there is actually about antithesis and that we

1:41:38

need to be men women of antithesis antithetical and he uses uh I believe he

1:41:45

uses the particular verse be gentle as doves but yet wise as serpents

1:41:52

yes right because that that that is complete antithesis and with the white wolf the greywolf you have these two things that

1:41:59

are antithetical to each other and yet the power is found in the synthesis of

1:42:05

the two coming together in balance like the lion and the lamb like the lion right exactly and and

1:42:11

what's interesting is Yeshua in in in the book of revelation is actually entitled both things within within uh

1:42:18

within one or two verses he is the line of Judah and yet the lamaz if slain

1:42:23

showing that antithetical nature right and that's what we're supposed to be is we are supposed to be dangerous

1:42:29

and yet gentle, right? And it's it's obvious too because if we if if we are merciful and peaceful and

1:42:36

yet there's a ferocity to that, you don't engage thinking how's this going to affect me if I behave this way right

1:42:42

now. Even though you feel the thrust of it coming up like and so I like it's easy for me to say if you have a

1:42:50

hardcore and a hard fast way of thinking that this is wrong and this is right.

1:42:55

Okay. So you say murder, you say rape or murder is wrong, but

1:43:04

then you have a person who's about to rape and kill someone in your house and the only way you can stop that is to

1:43:10

kill them. Mhm. What do you do? Do you say that you killed that person and that is the sin

1:43:17

or do you let the other person die? No, you don't. If you let the person die, that's not being in the flow and being a

1:43:22

spiritual person or anything. That's that's being the opposite. You just let someone suffer and horribly so because

1:43:28

you wanted to stay in this peaceful aspect that is actually an esc form of escape. That's why sometimes you know

1:43:33

the the danger of some of this spiritual practices too is that if you engage in in a way that you're trying to maintain

1:43:39

that white fluffy pole of the white wolf and forget everything else, you're doing it everything wrong. And they talk about

1:43:45

that often times. Yeah, you need to get into peaceful space and to start if it's prayer, meditation, mantra, whatever

1:43:51

to center yourself fully, especially if you're not used to this. And if you're fully distracted, you need to get

1:43:56

non-distracted. But in that then, like you said, it just starts coming out of you, we all have it that there's like a

1:44:03

funnel, strong funnel, a pulse in us that it it wants you to engage in a

1:44:09

certain way and like you said, if you're confident in that, sometimes it will be strong. It's never malicious. They talk

1:44:14

about this like there's different aspects of mod body mind and speech right body speech speech is like energies and everything they call it but

1:44:20

say they had there's three of body like about stealing taking what's not yours

1:44:25

killing or sexual misconduct raping things like that and then there's uh speech is you know harsh speech idol

1:44:32

speech divisive speech and basically false speech kind of that idea and then there's the last one which is

1:44:38

uh malicious intent wrong view like that you don't believe there's actions and consequences and

1:44:45

covetousness like you want what's to be happy because you feel like you have poverty mental those three at the end

1:44:51

can never ever be activated in a state because that means you have your mindset

1:44:56

is outside of what is natural to the the heart so the idea is when you're acting

1:45:02

you do things that might make you look bad sometimes because you know it's the right thing and I feel like standing up

1:45:08

when government's trying to be like the big daddy mommy figure and they're obviously not a very good parent like That's why I think government if

1:45:14

they're trying to be a parent and take care of everybody, they're obviously a really bad parent. They're not a good parent because everybody's really divided right

1:45:20

now. And nobody wants to follow that kind of thing. But to me, it's made up of people.

1:45:26

And so the more that we can appeal to the human being with what you said, when you appeal to the pulse of who you are,

1:45:31

if we can ignite the pulse in them and then they ignite the pulse in us, that pay it forward thing, then we're doing

1:45:37

something right. if you're doing podcasts and everything talking about all the negative stuff and get people riled up against each other which is a

1:45:42

lot of podcasts obviously and AI wants to get involved and create tons of podcasts that look real and everything

1:45:47

is that yeah it's it's easy to then keep dividing you how do we get rid of that

1:45:52

I think talking like this is what this is what our goal is by the way both that's why we want to do this together

1:45:58

is true hope and our company pure but with through our podcast that we're that we're powering

1:46:03

is try to get people back together and out of that mindset of following the these people that obviously want us to

1:46:09

be divided and lots of you already know this speaking in the choir but I'm saying we're trying to come up with solutions and we'd like to get different

1:46:15

people on both our podcast and keep this going that actually can help to change but it

1:46:21

but having said that it's already changing it's already happening we're just I would just like to accelerate it

1:46:27

right or be part of that and and there's there's ideologies that that can be communicated that would be

1:46:32

empowering there's understanding of physical nutrition that you know It's

1:46:37

here's an interesting thing, right? Like in in our line of work, we've worked with so many people that have gone through counseling and it's failed

1:46:43

miserably, but yet when they nutritate their bodies now, what they have to hear

1:46:48

is more empowering. So now counseling actually will have an impact. Why? Because they're in a in a better state

1:46:54

of mind, an an acceptable state of mind where they're able to accept the information that's coming before them.

1:47:00

And so there's one element here because you were talking about emotions and you'd used the example of a cable with

1:47:07

the insulation, you know, being compromised and you're all you're grounding out and you're not getting the the flow of energy up to light up the

1:47:14

light bulb, right? Distraction. And I've one of the things that I've come to realize in my journey is the

1:47:20

enslavement to emotion that takes place and how that ultimately misguides us.

1:47:26

Because if we're allowing emotions to guide us, we're going the wrong direction. Emotions are a tool to be employed. But

1:47:34

you have to harness them. You have to subdue them and then employ them as you as you see fit to put you in a state of

1:47:41

motion. Absolutely. But energy and motion, right? Exactly. We're blocking the state of motion by constantly putting concepts on top of

1:47:47

emotion, then acting out in in those ways. Those are not actually emotions. Those are constricted caged emotions,

1:47:52

like you said, that then fuel up and cause a whole bunch of problems. If we let energy flow, energy in motion

1:47:58

without attaching a whole bunch of labels and things to it and blame everything, then it's just pure energy,

1:48:03

right? So, a prime example of this would be, let's say, 911, right? We're far enough out, most people are emotionally

1:48:08

disconnected from it that they can look at it more objectively. But even 10 years after it took place,

1:48:14

only 15% were of the belief that it was an inside job or not what it was

1:48:19

purported to be. Only 15% still 10 years after the fact. Now, we're well beyond that. There's a lot more people that are

1:48:25

seeing, hey, logically this doesn't line up at all. Right. And so they put a song to it.

1:48:32

Remember that's why it became more emotional. They put Enya's only time. Oh yeah. Over and over and over they played to

1:48:39

make you super emotional. Yeah. So it was really hard to let go cuz it's really wrapped in a song and everything

1:48:44

inside you. Yes. So the emotions will actually cloud the reality. And so

1:48:50

if we are able to pair back the emotions, if we are in control of the emotions, say, "Okay, I want to feel

1:48:57

something about this, but I'm not just going to give myself over to feeling this way based on what they're telling

1:49:03

me. I'm going to try to use some logic first and use and employ some deductive reasoning. And now I'm going to look at

1:49:10

the event and then I'm going to dictate what emotions I should feel towards it." Now you've got empowerment, right? But

1:49:16

now I'm gonna reflect back though to a particular time in my life where I was dealing with my own mental health

1:49:22

issues. I would have been incapable of doing that. Yes. Right. That's the thing. And it cuz my brain was firing misfiring. It

1:49:28

was it was a mess. My brain would have literally been a mess. I didn't know what I was waking up with from one day to the next. Am I going to be filled

1:49:34

with rage? Now you want to talk about emotion rage uncontrollable rage. Break some stuff, you know,

1:49:39

and you know, like I was out of control. Yeah. So there was no way that I could have

1:49:45

paired back thought deducted what what the reality is based

1:49:50

on the information I have to put into the balances and then say this is the appropriate way to feel. They just did

1:49:57

this. People died. Now I know where to direct my emotion as well and who to direct it towards if there's an issue,

1:50:03

right? And say I'm rising up. I'm going to I'm going to show from the rooftops. I'm going to empower other people. But

1:50:09

when we give ourselves over to motion without the checks and balances and like you said big one maybe maybe we

1:50:15

finish off with this because this is where both this is why we're in the health industry is because you can approach different

1:50:22

problems at different levels. I feel that nutrition and supplementation is powerful but it's coming at it from

1:50:27

materialistic aspect but it it impacts you energetically, spiritually, mentally

1:50:33

and it's an easier way to come at things for most people because they won't address but it also encourages you to do other things. meditation, prayer,

1:50:40

everything like that. Y is uh if you feel in pain, if you're distracted by some imbalance

1:50:46

or discomfort physically, mentally, whatever that's related to to mind or

1:50:52

body or energy, then if you can, like you said, if you can address that with nutrition,

1:50:57

supplementation, and also recognizing because most of it is recognition, not control. Everything's about recognition.

1:51:03

is recognizing that blood sugar lack of blood sugar control is is a strong

1:51:11

feature in rage and inappropriate thinking and sleep stress reaction

1:51:17

everything and the stress reaction actually drives your blood sugar also what you eat that trying to see how can

1:51:24

I get blood sugar under control and a lot of that can be to do with what say with power plus a lack of nutrition

1:51:31

and because a lack of nutrition So, so that's one thing I feel like we're trying to help people as our livelihood.

1:51:38

So, obviously, yes, we are selling things, but it feels good to doing that because we're helping people to get

1:51:44

control of maybe something that's actually quite simple. They're dehydrated. Mhm.

1:51:49

Blood sugar is out of control. They have a lack of nourishment. Then you also

1:51:55

deal with certain things that are involved. For anybody who anybody who meditates

1:52:00

or sits for a long time studying knows that if you try to cross your legs and sit on in a nice steady control pace

1:52:08

that eventually sometimes quickly if it's a back or whatever it's going to start saying what are you doing get out.

1:52:17

So if you can give them again that's what we were doing with recovery. So, and then or if your mind's going all

1:52:23

sorts of directions in in a depressive thought heavy or agitated thoughts or whatever all over, it's very hard to

1:52:30

rain that in at all to get any sense of centering. And then, like you said, I call it that hurricane effect. They're

1:52:36

all like little hurricanes that center the eye of the storm. You see everything. You're not escaping anything. You see all of your emotions

1:52:42

and thoughts and everything whirling around, all stuff that you're normally caught up in, but you're a silent observer in a way. You're looking at it

1:52:49

happen and then it starts coming down. You don't have a tendency to get caught up in it. Yes. If you're centered to be centered, get

1:52:56

back body, mind, energy, all have to be in alignment. And you and I said, we both got out of alignment during intense

1:53:02

stress, which is easy to do. Even for people like us that make the supplements, sometimes you don't even take supplements because you're still

1:53:07

caught up in it. Once you start doing certain things, it's undeniable the way

1:53:12

that you feel. Oh, yeah. And if we if I and you if we can do anything to help people get in

1:53:18

that state and that's part of our livelihood, I like that livelihood. It's it's a beautiful thing. It is a beautiful

1:53:24

and and you you brought up an example that everybody can relate to and that's the whole blood sugar thing. You will

1:53:29

not find me making an important decision while I'm hangry. Absolutely not going to happen cuz it's

1:53:35

not it's going to be a misguided decision. And so how much you know like we so we see this when we have any

1:53:40

dysfunction in the body it's going to impact change everything the direction that we go

1:53:46

everything regardless of of whether we're cognizant of it or not and I can I can look back

1:53:51

and say this is where I've gone wrong in my battles and this is where I've gone right in my battles and I can correlate

1:53:57

that with where my mental headsp space was given how much I was nourishing my

1:54:03

body and how much I was nourishing spiritually. Right. Absolutely. absolutely inter interconnected. You

1:54:08

can't neglect one and and flourish in the other. Absolutely. I feel like that was an awesome podcast for me. Anyway, that was

1:54:16

very enlightening, entertaining for ourselves, even if you don't resonate. So, uh thank you very much. So, again,

1:54:23

Jason from Swallow the Truth and we'll have more conversations, the two of us. Try to keep them shorter. Maybe not.

1:54:29

Might not be successful. Well, maybe we'll break this one up into a few episodes. Who knows? Yeah, do that, too. Yeah.

1:54:34

Thank you very much, David. Well, thank you for for having me on and yeah, so David with True Cast or True Hope Cast,

1:54:40

the official podcast of True Hope Canada. And it's just it's a beautiful thing to be in well one you're home here

1:54:47

in the studio, but it's a beautiful thing to be in collaboration with other companies that are really just being a

1:54:53

blessing to people. And ultimately, I mean, at the end of the day, we hear it saving lives. Like, we're changing

1:54:58

lives, but in some instances when it's so dire, we're saving lives. And that's such a beautiful thing to be a part of.

1:55:03

Yes. And we're both going to keep standing. So look look forward to four of us. Awesome. All right. Thanks, David.

1:55:09

Thank you. See you everyone.

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