0:00

Well, the funny funny thing to me was just how it kind of started. It's like when that's the thing that really that

0:05

took me a long time to figure it out, but the when I went back and researched the Flexner report in the US, that's the

0:11

that when the Rockefellers created this uh they hired this guy named Flexner and they created this Flexner report. Um,

0:18

and there was some good information in that report, don't get me wrong, but the way they used that report was just

0:23

nefarious. It was really bad. So they ended up using that report to create the

0:29

medical schools and the medical system they took and they took over those medical schools and you at that time

0:35

there's in the United States there was about 50% of our practitioners were holistic practitioners. So people who

0:42

you know helped you from beginning to end right with the body and uh and now you fast forward to today and it's like

0:48

01% or something like that are holistic practitioners. So they just did an a

0:53

phenomenal job of taking over and you couldn't get a job as a practitioner if

1:00

you didn't go to one of their medical schools. And in their medical school they only taught pharmaceuticalbased

1:06

medication. So uh the and the reason they did that was the Rockefellers owned, you know, all the oil and the

1:13

pharmaceutical medications could be patented, right? And so that the only

1:19

and they they literally were only teaching um pharmaceuticalbased solutions for for people, not nutrition,

1:27

not the things that all natural things that that people need. And and they vilified that it's like really evil.

1:32

They they called um people who weren't doing it their way quacks, right? That's

1:38

where the word quack came from. Um and I that was totally bizarre to me. I I'd heard the word quack my entire life. But

1:44

then to find the origin of it, it's like what? How mean and evil are these

1:50

people, right? And then you fast forward to today and you know there's amazing people in the in the health world,

1:56

right? doctors and nurses and they they just are in a system that's all

2:02

motivated on the wrong thing. They're not motivated to help the person get

2:07

well. They're motivated for money. And even though the individual doctor and individual nurses, you know, have good

2:13

intentions and they're trying to help, the system just doesn't allow them to do it.

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[Music]

2:28

From the icy roads of Utah to the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies and finally to the front lines of a health

2:34

revolution, today's guest has lived it all. Once a gifted athlete with Olympic

2:39

dreams, a near fatal accident forced Rob Renee to trade running shoes for a corporate suit. But that wasn't the end

2:46

of his race. It was just the start of a much bigger mission. After uncovering staggering corruption in the medical

2:52

industry and witnessing the vilification of natural health practitioners, Rob devoted himself to finding real

2:58

solutions, ones rooted in ancient biblical wisdom and proven modern science. The result, a faithfueled

3:05

movement for natural healing and a groundbreaking product called Exodus. In this episode of True Hope Cars, we're

3:10

diving deep into Rob's powerful story of resilience, faith, and transformation. We'll explore how seven ingredients from

3:16

scripture combined with cuttingedge molecular hydrogen technology are changing lives physically, mentally, and

3:23

spiritually. This isn't just about supplements. It's about reclaiming health, reclaiming faith, and reclaiming

3:28

the truth. So, buckle up because Rob Rene's journey might just change the way you think about medicine, healing, and

3:34

the power of God in your life. Today's episode is titled The Exodus Formula:

3:39

Natural Healing, Biblical Health, and Breaking Free from Big Farmer. Enjoy the show. Okay. Hi Rob, welcome to True Hope

3:47

Cast. Thank you so much for being with me, for being with us today. How are you and what is going well? I am fantastic and just hey, I am I am

3:54

breathing today. So I'm it's going great. Yeah, absolutely. That's a big win for

4:01

anyone who can wake up and uh who can say that. That's right. Today we're going to be um talking about

4:08

the Exodus formula, natural healing, biblical health, and breaking free from

4:14

big farmer. But before we jump into those amazing topics, would you mind just giving us a little bit of an idea,

4:20

a bit of an introduction to who you are and what it is that you do, please? Sounds great. So right now I really feel

4:27

like I'm I'm I've stepped into what God has designed me to do my entire life

4:32

which is you know if you' have told me you know even five years ago that I'm doing what I'm doing now I said you're absolutely nuts because uh you know I

4:39

grew up as kind of how I got here is an interesting story I grew up as a young athlete and uh loved running was my

4:47

passion um but one of the things that really helped me with my running was I read a book about nutrition and uh that

4:53

book about nutrition really changed my running. So, I helped me really be a distance runner better. And so, um, you

5:01

know, that was my goal in life was to be a professional runner. And then I've had had a huge accident and when I was in

5:07

college and I got hit by a truck, a 4x4 truck while I was running

5:12

and uh almost uh ended my my life um then and so uh you know I knew every

5:19

after that accident that God had a plan for my life. Um, and then I went into the corporate world for decades. Um, and

5:26

just because I couldn't run anymore. So, I lost that dream. Went into the corporate world and kind of did what the

5:31

the world tells you to do, right? The world tells you to get a college degree and go work for a large corporation, get

5:36

a 401k and have a a family with a a house with a white picket fence and a

5:42

dog and three kids. And you I did did exactly that, right? I was good at it.

5:48

Um, and then the pandemic hit and uh, it really had this I call it the second truck. Uh, that was my second truck that

5:56

just transformed my life dramatically. And that's that's kind of the the stepping stones to where I really

6:01

started digging into all the topics that you just you just mentioned is is uh, just happened in the last five or so

6:09

years of my life. So, it's been been a crazy journey. It sure sounds like it. Great intro. So,

6:16

thank you very much for that. And it sounds like your life has been marked with yeah a couple of dramatic turning

6:22

points from you know promising athletic career to a life in you know corporate America. Um and now you find yourself

6:31

within as a faith and health advocate which is really amazing. So when you look back now what do you think was the

6:37

single most defining moment that set you on this current career path? Wow, that's

6:42

you know that's such a great question because you know there's so many little events right that got me here but the

6:48

thing that really transformed my life was something so simple but it was uh during the pandemic I started that was

6:54

the first time in my life that I had time to do research about what's going on in the world and uh what happens I I

7:01

was watching this uh doctor he was talking about vitamin D and how vitamin

7:06

D is good for for you and uh then I saw that the establishment was trying to sue

7:12

him for billions of dollars. And I'm like, "Wow, either you vitamin D's got to be really bad. Um, or this doctor is

7:19

just a villain. He's a really bad dude. Or there's something else going on, right?" So, I did a research on vitamin

7:24

D, and vitamin D was amazing. It's like from the sun, right? It's about as natural as you can get. And, uh, then

7:31

the doctor, okay, he's got to have some, you know, clo, you know, skeletons in his closet. I was digging in. I couldn't

7:36

find anything bad about him. He's all natural health doctor trying to help people with natural solutions to to

7:42

things. I'm like, okay, I don't see anything bad about him. So, why are they what's the motivation? Why are they

7:47

suing him? And then that's when I started doing research on the what I call the medical cartel now and just our

7:55

medical system in the United States was was really taken over in the early 1900s. and that that and right now our

8:03

our medical system is we spend more money in the medical field than any country in the world and we have the

8:10

almost the worst health care system in the world. It's just obviously very very wrong and uh you then you so I started

8:17

just digging into that man talk about a wide wide opening experience. So, I guess the guy getting sued for vitamin D

8:24

was finally the thing that that woke me up because then I realized that they were they were trying to sue him for nefarious reasons, right? They were

8:30

trying to protect their profits and uh I was just like, "What the heck? Why would they do that? That's evil." And man,

8:37

what I couldn't cover is like really true evil. It's like that's really sucks, you know? So, it kind of made me

8:43

mad. And it didn't kind of make me mad. It really pissed me off. I was just like, how how was I so blind to this

8:49

problem that's going on in our world? And I just I was just doing my thing, right? It was all about me me me. How do

8:56

I do take care of my family and my thing? And I didn't care about anything else. And now I'm just during that

9:03

period, I also have uh started reading the Bible every day. And you know that

9:08

really had a transformational effect on me as a person because I developed a a

9:13

relationship with God and and now I totally live for him instead of for me.

9:19

And that's just 180% different than the person I was before all this happened.

9:24

So anyway, those are the two probably big defining moments was was the the the

9:30

vitamin D story and then just digging into the word and and having it that transform my life. So, um, I'm a

9:36

different person now. It's wild that you mentioned that type of a story with the vitamin D and then

9:41

there that doctor being completely attacked by the med the medical cartel because there's a there's a this is a

9:48

side point, but I'm going to share this with you. There's there's a movie called The Epiphany, the True Hope Battle, which is an amazing documentary about

9:55

our company, about True Hope and True Hope Canada. And it's its goal, its quest, it's faith

10:00

faith-based quest to get our product, our primary product empower plus in the

10:05

hands of people who are struggling with depression, anxiety, serious mood disorders. And it's been

10:11

proven, it was and is and continues to be proven to be incredibly effective.

10:17

And we've had Health Canada down our throats for nearly three decades because this product is in direct conflict with

10:24

with the med with the big farmer which yeah you're helping you're helping people. So it's like oh my gosh yeah we

10:30

can't we can't help people right it's truly sick when you look at the the

10:35

evilness behind it. So man yeah I I and I apologize for me not understanding

10:41

that till like five years ago. So, you've been doing it for decades and it took me, you know, a long time to wake

10:46

up to that problem, but man, now I'm I'm I'm fighting there with you, brother. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because so

10:52

many people are still um are still not awake to to this massive

10:59

problem we have, especially here in North America. And it does take something incredibly

11:04

traumatic to wake people up out of that, to start asking questions, to go down the rabbit hole a little bit. And

11:10

there's so many documentaries. There are so many podcasts that shows the the level of corruption

11:16

not just in medicine or in natural health but across every possible platform that you

11:22

want to discover. That's exactly the information's there. The answers are there. And the questions just need to be

11:28

asked. But people need to be like emotionally, physically, spirit, spiritually shooken up in order to start

11:35

asking those questions to start breaking paradigms that have been solidified for decades within their own.

11:40

That's right. It it took me that, you know, the pandemic to just, you know, all of a sudden just stop me in my tracks. Right. Okay. My career that I've

11:48

been doing for decades was was ended. And it took that that experience then

11:54

start to me have this great skill now that I want everybody to have right which is that skill of research.

11:59

You just go research your own. Don't believe what the media tells you. Don't believe what the social media you know

12:05

stream tells you. Don't believe what the the music you're listening to what they tell you because it's all a controlled

12:12

message that I found out right when I started digging in and went down those rabbit holes you mentioned. It's like,

12:18

holy smokes. Our our society is literally controlled by this very small

12:23

number of people who can have put out an agenda and they can make us all believe it. Right. And they're dang dang good at

12:29

it. Yeah. So until you until you see it, it's hard to understand, right? So even people who

12:36

I love dearly, real good friends of mine or even family members that are really I'm close to, they still don't get it.

12:42

They can't they can't get the veil out open and see the corruption. It's just

12:47

like but once you do see it, you just can't unsee it and just like oh my gosh, the world becomes a totally different

12:52

world. Right. Yeah. And um I don't know for for those individuals who are still kind of asleep

13:01

to the real world. I don't know if anything other than COVID will get you

13:07

out of that considering all of the dodgy dealings that happened during that whole period of time. It's um it was quite the

13:14

wakeup call for a lot of people, but I don't think enough just yet. We're going to have to wait and see what those

13:19

people's epiphany moment may be. Um but I know that you've been open during, you

13:25

know, I've checked out some of your stuff on your website and um etc. And I

13:30

know you've been open about the kind of pain and anger and frustration that you've experienced through your kind of

13:36

transformation. Yeah. And I wonder how did your faith shape

13:41

the way you navigated those challenges? Yeah. It just it's given me a lot of confidence because I don't really care

13:47

now that what what they can they can do anything to me, right? They can throw me in jail. They can do whatever. And I I'm

13:54

fine with that, right? Because I know then then that's I'm supposed to be there for a reason. maybe the person I'm

13:59

next to in jail, you know, if I pray that never happens, but if it does, you know, I'm okay with it. So, I have this

14:04

this confidence is just like I I don't care what happens and I I know that I'm

14:10

going to be fine. I know he has me on this earth for a reason. And man, I am just on fire to to help people because

14:19

it's just there's so many people that are struggling in this world. And uh he he just I I had a miracle story two

14:26

weeks ago that uh that we can talk about if you want. But it's like I just that just triple down my my gut feeling of

14:34

I'm he's got me here for a reason. So I have to make a difference. It's not I

14:40

want to make a difference and I'm going to just go around and do my thing. It's like no, I have to make a difference. I

14:46

I He has me here. I could have easily gotten my upgrade just a couple of weeks ago and I didn't get my upgrade so I'm

14:53

not there yet. Right. And uh so I'm I'm still here and I'm fighting the fight and I'm going to just I'm going to make

14:58

a difference in this world no matter what. Beautiful. I think that strength and

15:04

that truth that comes with faith really gets people through the most Yeah. challenging experiences and right

15:11

just as I was mentioning about like the kind of the history of our company thrown in that was some is some like

15:16

personal conflicts with members of the True Hope family with the health

15:21

authorities in in Canada. Yeah. And what and you know our VP here

15:28

in here in Canada he was he was actually thrown in jail for I think nearly 30

15:33

days in solitary in solitary confinement. And I and I I think I can speak for David when he says that his

15:39

faith and the truth that he knew was what got him through that very traumatic

15:45

experience and also what got his family through it and was able to help them propel to a much much more

15:51

prosperous place. So we're connecting we're vibing on a serious level right now.

15:57

Yes. Exactly. I love it. I love it. Um, so, Exodus, you know, this is rooted in

16:04

seven biblical ingredients. You know, this is this biblical wisdom meets modern science that that you talk about

16:09

so brilliantly. So, I wondered if you could um walk us through why you chose,

16:16

you know, these specific ones and how they work together um in the body.

16:21

Yeah, that's a a awesome question because like literally I was just researching um all the superfoods and

16:27

herbs in the Bible, right? So, as I was doing this now daily task that I actually really enjoy, which I thought,

16:34

you know, just 10 years ago, it's like put open the Bible was like a a chore. And now it's like I I open it up with

16:41

joy and and and wonderment. There's so much great stuff in there. And so, I I

16:46

was researching all the herbs and superfoods. There's lots of them. I was like, "Wow, this is cool." And I was like, "Man, if I can find the bomb of

16:51

Gilead, I'm going to be so excited because I can heal anybody, right? I just can't find that. So when I do, I'll

16:58

let you know and we can uh we can go heal the world together. But uh you know, I was looking for just a special

17:03

combination. And I was really, you know, just found it frustrating because I couldn't find anything that was unique

17:09

and different, right? There's frankincense, there's myrrh, there's all these um herbs that are out there

17:14

already. Um and I was just like praying like, Lord, help me find something that's just unique and different that's

17:20

really makes a difference. And I I just wasn't finding it. And uh but the Lord is good. He he introduced me to this

17:27

doctor that had this molecular hydrogen component and it was just I started researching what it does. I'm like,

17:34

"Holy smokes, that it's got there's thousands of scientific studies that talk about the health benefits of

17:40

hydrogen inside the body." And I researching it's like God created hydrogen. Hydrogen is the smallest

17:45

element in the world, right? That that he created is like so finite and so cool. Um and I'm like I looked at all

17:52

the benefits of it. So I was like, let me find the seven best biblical

17:57

ingredients that complement and enhance what molecular hydrogen does. And then the neat thing about it is molecular

18:04

hydrogen is so good, it enhances those seven ingredients. So So we picked them

18:09

specifically because of the synergy uh and the synergistic effect it has on on

18:15

the human body. Amazing. That's very very cool. And I

18:20

think uh well many people might think the biblical health approaches are just like kind of historical curiosities,

18:28

but you've combined them with like cutting edge molecular hydrogen science. So how do you see these two worlds

18:35

enhancing each other? Well, it's so important. Remember I I part of my personal story was that

18:41

nutrition thing. So I I knew back way back when I was young how important nutrition was to the body and how your

18:48

body performs better when you have the right nutrition. Um you know then then you know fast forward to today and it's

18:55

like holy smokes I have a really new re renewed um vigor towards all natural

19:03

eating and nutrition and health because our our food supply is so broken right now. It's like 70% of our food is

19:10

ultrarocessed food and our nutrients are messed up. And it's like we need to go back to the basics, right? Go back. And

19:15

that's when I started researching the stuff in the Bible. It's like let's go back to the way God God created our

19:21

bodies. He created this temple and he created it in a really complex way. Um

19:26

then and it's a really, you know, we still haven't figured out how the body works, right? Our scientists are amazing, but they still don't know

19:32

everything about our body. And uh so I went back to the nutrition. It's like man our bodies if we give it the right

19:38

nutrients our bodies heal itself right God made God heals the body you know our

19:44

body just will naturally heal itself and that's through God right he created our bodies to do that but if we give it the

19:50

right nutrients then guess what it can start doing what it's supposed to do so

19:56

that's what got me so so passionate about that field and then I started

20:01

researching the specific elements so hydrogen is super cool and it's a And you know, just really a a popular topic

20:08

right now. You get all these water bottles that do hydrogen and you can get these little tabs that make hydrogen and

20:14

it's become all a sudden all the rage. And the neat thing about it is our capsules because we we have our our

20:20

capsule you you put it in your body and then your stomach creates the molecular hydrogen. So that's what's so amazing is

20:27

since your stomach's creating the molecular hydrogen, your body assimilates it much more effective than

20:32

if you're drinking um water or you're inhaling it with a with an inhaler. Um

20:38

and so um that's just like wow. So we've got one the best way to get it into your blood delivery mechanism to get it into

20:44

your bloodstream and then if we enhance it with these other ingredients because most people like you know we were

20:50

talking about are not getting the right nutrients right. So, so we have barley grass and and wheat grass which give

20:57

people the basic nutrients that they're missing in their diet. And then we add saffron, which is a great thing. It's

21:03

like what probably just a little teeny bit of what you guys do for it helps with mood and and anxiety and stress.

21:10

Um, and saffron is the most expensive element. Um, you know, it's more it's more expensive than gold, which is

21:16

pretty pretty bizarre. Um, and then we added cumin and aloe. Aloe is really

21:22

good for gut health. hundreds of benefits of aloe and we added frankincense and myrrh. So you take

21:27

those combination of those seven ingredients and a lot of them help with inflammation uh support. So um and if I

21:34

I have a podcast in my podcast I interview holistic practitioners a lot and they all say that inflammation is

21:41

the source of of all disease. So it's like holy smokes if we can help reduce

21:47

inflammation then guess what we're really going to help people with their health. So, that's what's so fun is just

21:52

like, man, this this product not only helps with energy, it helps get your your bloodstream clear, but then it

21:59

gives you the right nutrients for your body to do what it's supposed to do. So, if you can stay on this thing for 30 to

22:05

60 to 90 days, you just your body just starts improving the entire time. So,

22:10

super super exciting. Amazing. Yeah, we we experience similar things with with with Empower Plus and

22:16

other products here at True Hope. When people start taking good quality nutrition and start fueling their brain

22:21

and body, you're you're inclined because you're on that journey to then maybe not consume

22:27

the things that, you know, we all know are highly inflammatory and going to restrict digestion, restrict absorption,

22:34

and just, you know, essentially turn people chronically nutrient deficient. That's right. It might taste good for

22:40

for a minute, but then you're going to pay for it later, right? Absolutely. And I think everybody knows

22:47

which types of foods and which type of behaviors are going to, you know, be negative towards the body. And we are

22:53

all absolutely starved of nutrients. It's almost impossible to not require

22:59

supplementation these days because of our soil, because of the nutrientation within within food. So it's absolutely

23:05

critical that we are consuming good quality products that are backed by obviously research that you know working

23:12

in good practices kind of behind the scenes with you know manufacturing and processing etc. And those companies

23:18

certainly exist out there. There's some also companies out there that you know aren't doing a very very good job who

23:23

right um there's a lot of that. Yeah, that's so so it's our our industry or at least

23:28

the supplement industry is just inundated with crap and that's what's so fun is to now is to help people just

23:35

understand that it's like hey you know you need to really get high quality ingredients and uh it needs to be

23:41

manufactured in a very good facility. Um and then you're going to get a product that is what we say it is rather than it

23:48

sounds good looks good on the bottle and then you do some testing on what the what you've got and it's not even the

23:54

same thing. It's like what the heck? How would that happen? I think it's important that individuals

23:59

not only look at the product that they're taking, but also look at the organization, the company, the birth of

24:05

that company, their mission, their vision, their values. What are they doing out there? Why are they doing it? That's going to tell you how they're

24:12

processing and how what type of energy and um competence they're putting into

24:17

every single level of production, manufacturing, etc. So, I think um

24:23

working with Yeah. faith-based organizations generally come from a you there's usually a story there and

24:29

sometimes it's like with our story here at True Hope, you know, it's without question a story that begins with significant tragedy that ends in that

24:36

turns into a huge triumph where um we are doing our very best to stop other

24:42

families experiencing what you know the Stefan and the True Hope family has experienced in the past by providing

24:49

good quality supplementation primarily with empower plus in the in the mineral forms that we we we process where

24:55

they're actually able to pass through the bloodb brain barrier and start nutrating the brain. That's for a lot of

25:01

people, especially people on this, you know, mental health spectrum, people with depression, anxiety, stress, PTSD,

25:06

ADHD, schizophrenia, bipolar, you name it. All of these different symptoms can come down to the simple fact that people

25:13

are walking around for decades chronic chronically nutrient deficient and the

25:19

damage that does to somebody's body over a period of time. I mean, the body can only deal with so much before it snaps.

25:24

That's right. That's right. So, I think it'd be our my hydrogen product would really add value to people who are

25:31

taking your product because because you get that into your bloodstream and it that those little micro nanobubbles that

25:37

get into your bloodstream of that molecular hydrogen, it also crosses the bloodb brain barrier, right? So, it's

25:43

like the combination of your product and mine would be just like a super super

25:48

combination for people. I love it. It's a super interesting thing to to to research and look into and I'm going to

25:54

do more of that. Absolutely. As as we're discussing and I'm learning. Um, but I'd love to talk a little bit about the

26:00

health industry. Um, kind of truth and freedom. You know, you're in the States. I'm I'm up in Canada and you know, we

26:07

are we are two separate countries, but we're in North America. That's right. The natural health industries are quite

26:12

different um at the moment. But um I know you've done you know deep research into like the pharmaceutical industry's

26:19

corruption and symptom based approach to medicine. We've discussed a little bit about that. But yeah what are some of the most shocking and eyeopening um

26:26

discoveries that you've experienced? Well the funny funny thing to me was this how it kind of started. It's like

26:32

when that's the thing that really that took me a long time to figure it out. But the when I went back and researched the Flexner report in the US, that's the

26:39

that when the Rockefellers created this uh they hired this guy named Flexner and they created this Flexner report. Um and

26:47

there was some good information in that report, don't get me wrong, but the way they used that report was just nefarious. It was really bad. So they

26:54

ended up using that report to create the medical schools and the medical system.

26:59

they took and they took over those medical schools and you at that time there's in the United States there was

27:05

about 50% of our practitioners were holistic practitioners. So people who you know helped you from beginning to

27:12

end right with the body and uh and now you fast forward to today and it's like 01% or something like that are holistic

27:19

practitioners. So they just did an a phenomenal job of taking over and you

27:25

couldn't get a job as a practitioner if you didn't go to one of their medical

27:30

schools. And in their medical school they only taught pharmaceuticalbased medication. So uh the and the reason

27:37

they did that was the Rockefellers owned, you know, all the oil and the pharmaceutical medications could be

27:44

patented, right? And so that the only and they they literally were only

27:49

teaching um pharmaceuticalbased solutions for for people, not nutrition,

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not the things that all natural things that that people need. And and they vilified that it's like really evil.

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They they called um people who weren't doing it their way quacks, right? That's

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where the word quack came from. Um and I that was totally bizarre to me. I I'd heard the word quack my entire life. But

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then to find the origin of it, it's like what? How mean and evil are these

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people, right? And then you fast forward to today and you know there's amazing people in the in the health world,

28:25

right? doctors and nurses and they they just are in a system that's all

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motivated on the wrong thing. They're not motivated to help the person get

28:36

well. They're motivated for money. And even though the individual doctor and individual nurses, you know, have good

28:42

intentions and they're trying to help, the system just doesn't allow them to do it. For for example, I I just uh I have

28:48

cancer right now. I've got melanoma. So I've got states three melanoma and you know I went to the states the doctor

28:55

there and it's like the only thing he can do is the standard of care approach

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and you know the standard of care is only using you know the solutions that

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have been approved in the United States to to help with cancer and that's just so frustrating because if you start

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looking and doing research which I did a lot of right there's so many different

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modalities and things that can help people and we can't even use them in the United States. So, in order to get help,

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I have to, you know, in some cases, depending upon what your issue is, you might have to go out of the country to

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get get help. And how silly is that when there's solutions out there, but uh

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since it doesn't follow the the pharmaceutical, you know, the big pharma route, they're not allowed. And so,

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that's that's just, you know, really evil. Those are the the you know the two things with the early 1900s and the

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flection report really woke me up and then just being a person who needs health care right now and to have them

29:55

only give only way that my insurance will it will cover it is if I go to a a

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US doctor and if they use the standard of care it's like that is just so evil.

30:08

It's just doesn't make any sense. Like aren't don't you want to help me get better? No. Why? Why? Why would they want to do

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that, you know? Yeah. They don't. I'm I'm a couple million dollars to them, right? I'm not I'm not a person that that can that can

30:20

get well. They're like, "Hey, good. Here's another couple million dollars. Let's let's bring them into the system." Yeah. It's super frustrating and wild

30:27

and yeah, there's a long long tainted history between um you know, alipathic medicine and all of the other know

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homeopathy, chiropractic, etc. It's um yeah, it's it's a very very dark

30:38

history for sure. And just as you were mentioning that you know there are other alternative treatments to some of these

30:44

um diseases um there are also other like thoughts in

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how these dis diseases have have manifested for people. So it's not just as straightforward as like okay you

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you got sick and you got cancer that's it and then this we're going to do radiation chemo or surgery on you.

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There are different thought patterns in regards to how you actually came to that

31:07

symptomology. Yeah. And there's a much more holistic, much more beautiful um

31:15

way of being able to explain that to somebody that actually puts a little bit of responsibility on the let's just say the

31:22

patient rather than oh I'm I'm unlucky. I've got this disease and I'm just going to take this thing to to cure me or heal

31:28

me or treat me. Yeah, that's what we've been taught, right? We've been taught that we need to go to the white coat and the white coat's

31:33

going to give us the pill and that that pill's going to fix our problem, right? That's how we've been trained as as a

31:39

society, at least in the United States, right? That's that's how we were trained, right? Trust the white coat. The white coat will give you a pill. And

31:45

I I was a total example of that, right? When I until I woke up, I I would go to

31:51

the doctor and they give me a pill. I was like, "No problem. Give me give me the I just want it fixed." Whatever it

31:58

was, right? And my wife was the one who's like she's like, "Don't you want to do a little research online?" Like,

32:03

"I don't care what just I want to take it. I just want to get better. So, just uh until I did research and now I'm just

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a fanatic about about doing that, right? It's like I don't do anything unless I do research on it and why it's going to

32:17

help me and how it's going to help me and and I have a big passion to help others learn that same thing, right? So,

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um I'm just I really want to give people that skill set of researching for your own and giving you resources that you

32:30

know, shoot, if I have to if I had to dig them up and I know that there's a lot of other people that need the same

32:36

information, right? And uh so why don't I just start gathering that information for people and and offering it up for

32:43

them? So that's that's a big part of what my future is going to be is just creating these communities around these

32:49

problems and uh and just and you know things that are like fun from a biohacking perspective, right? It's like

32:56

there's people that are really interested in biohacking. So I'm going to have a lot of biohacking resources, but hey, guess what? If you have uh

33:03

cancer, for example, there here's a whole bunch of resources for for people with cancer, right? and this stuff that

33:09

uh is not easy to find because, you know, I think they make it, you know, difficult to to find those. So, I'm I'm

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super excited about the future just trying to get this information in people's hands.

33:20

Well said. Love it. Um there's certainly a lot of skepticism about supplements

33:26

and supplementation and the natural health industry and a lot of um and we said there's a lot of lowquality

33:32

products on the market as well. Um, why do you think quality is so vital when it

33:38

comes to supplement supplementation for for true healing? Well, yeah, because if the comes down to

33:44

actual nutrient, right? If your body can't absorb that nutrient and it just passes through, then you're just you're

33:49

you're buying expensive stuff to pee out, right? You know, it's just like if

33:54

if you need to to one understand your body and it will it uh you know, intake

33:59

that nutrient and then the good the nutrient has to be a high quality nutrient because you can just get you

34:05

know unfortunately there's just a lot of bad actors in the the supplement space. So they just there to make a quick

34:11

dollar and they're not there to help people either. So that's what's super frustrating because there a lot of bad

34:16

actors in the space who have spent tons and tons of money just acquiring new customers and then they just get them on

34:23

a subscription and they're just trying to screw people and it's like that's not not what I want to do, right? I want to

34:29

help people. So, you know, I want to give you the products and then if it's if you like it, then you get on the

34:34

subscription and it's going to save you a lot of money by being on a subscription, right? So, it's just the opposite type of of mentality is I want

34:42

to help you and if it does help you, fantastic. Then then the cheapest way to do it is getting on a subscription where

34:48

these other companies just they're just evil, right? Then they get you on a subscription and then then you can't find even how to get a hold of them,

34:55

right? It's like how do I change my subscription? It's like I don't even know where to get a hold of these people. So

35:00

yeah, we um yeah, here here at Trope Canada, so we we only sell our product

35:06

um to retailers. So if you somebody in Canada who wants to go buy our product, you have to go to your local health food store.

35:12

Oh, cool. And one of the main reasons we do that is because we educate the store staff so

35:17

well in regards to our products, what they can do, why they work so well, some of the unique features and benefits of

35:23

them. So, when somebody's going into a health food store in their local city or their town, they're able to actually

35:28

converse and have a have a conversation with, you know, another human being um in one of those stores and actually

35:35

start asking questions, start building a community and then these individuals can recommend certain products based on

35:41

that. I think that um it's so easy to go online and, you know, order something

35:46

that you might not have any real experience on. you might get duped by a

35:51

twominute amazing very expensive ad that somebody's kind of like pulled together. I know that's has happened to me in the

35:57

past before for sure. But, you know, when you're able to actually look at a product, look at the

36:03

ingredients of it, how they're how they're made up, and then also looking

36:09

at the other parts, like I said before, like what's this, what's the company all about, like what's their mission, who are they supporting, do they have the

36:16

clinical research, like you know, we have 35 peer-reviewed medical journals on on empower plus alone from 11

36:22

universities across the world and nearly three decades of experience in supporting people. And you know, we've

36:28

got hundreds of thousands of success stories of people who have, you know, been trapped within the medical model,

36:34

been on cocktails of medications, been able to find our product and actually begin to nutrate their brains and be

36:39

able to just be just be solely reliant on taking food in a capsule form that's,

36:44

you know, been processed in such a way that's um alleviating what, you know, our our diet is is doing to us. And it's

36:53

those questions and that that information that not every company is going to have, but it's those

36:59

individuals I inspire people to really take their supplementation seriously. Um

37:05

I, you know, you go to people's houses and they've all got these supplement cupboards with stocks and stocks of stuff that they never really use,

37:11

right? But as you say, like it's an it's especially here in Canada, like having taking being able to take supplements is

37:18

very very expensive. Like it's a big choice that people make. I think it's 75% of Canadians use natural health

37:23

products. I'm gonna It's a lot of people. And I I'm going to guess that maybe 15 maybe even lower than that. 50%

37:31

of that 75% aren't taking the best quality things. They're going to Costco. They're getting their products. They're

37:36

not talking to people. They're just, you know, they see they're going for um price, which is, you know, it's okay.

37:42

like, you know, life's expensive, but just because it's cheap and it looks the same as this bottle next to it, it

37:48

doesn't necessarily mean that it's, you know, the same or on the other side, just because it's expensive, it doesn't

37:54

mean that it's going to do you any good. Good point. Good point. Very good point. Yeah.

38:00

Yeah. So, the supplementation thing is really important. I think we just have to be asking more questions and being

38:06

more inquisitive. And as I say like we we we we take a lot of time and effort

38:11

and energy to make sure the people who are you know recommending and selling

38:17

our product on on like the store level are very well-versed and they can actually have conversations to human

38:23

beings and they can ask questions that might be able to help guide them into a particular protocol and help them find

38:30

the right types of products. And yeah, that's so so important because you you've mentioned the word community a

38:35

few times and that's something that we have we are we're missing spirituality in our lives and we're missing community and

38:42

that's two massive pillars of what we're doing here at True Hope and I think that's something that you should look in

38:48

your supplement company for. Yeah. In fact, one of the things really important is we every bottle that we

38:53

sell we have a prayer guide that goes with it. So, so we very we want to have

38:58

that mind, body, spirit connection for people because you know if you we and from our perspective is like we we have

39:06

an intention that we want you to say out loud every day and prayer that we want you to say every day and an actual Bible

39:13

verse. So you're literally declaring it with your mouth which the Bible clearly tells us that there's power in the

39:18

tongue, right? And then you are praying, right? So you're praying, you're using your spirit to pray, you're using your

39:24

mind to be to to say this is my intention. I'm going to get well and then you're verbally doing it. So you're

39:30

using the and then you're taking the capsules, right? So inside that your body is getting well because of the

39:35

capsules and then you're using your mind to be strong and say, I'm declaring this over myself and you're praying and

39:41

having the the spirit help you. So that mind, body, spirit connection is is just key to our success and that we we want

39:48

to build this community of people who are like are doing that, right? Doing the the whole mind, body, spirit

39:54

connection to to their health because like you as you just so eloquently said, it's like is really important. A lot of

40:00

people are missing community and they're missing uh spirituality and to to when you can combine those things, you know,

40:06

it's our mission at this our company to get a million new people to read the word through their health. So, you know,

40:13

you maybe just you you somebody said, "Hey, Exodus is a really good product, right? You should try it." So, they try

40:19

it and then they all a sudden they get this in the mail and they're like, "That's an interesting prayer guide. Oh, it says you Psalm 27:1. What does that

40:27

mean?" And then you read it here and then they're like, "Well, hey, maybe I'll go open my Bible and see what that means, right?" And so we even have a

40:34

study guide, a 30 minute study guide that goes in more in depth onto each one of those verses to to help people just

40:40

be inspired that there's really cool things in the in the word. And uh if we

40:45

can get people, you know, well physically, then I think then spiritually they have the opportunity to

40:51

make a difference in the world. So we're trying we're trying to do that. Yeah. So yeah, your as you as you

40:57

mentioned, your goal is to help 1 million people read the Bible every day through Exodus Strong. So how do you see

41:04

that spiritual health and physical health um working hand inand in that mission?

41:10

Yeah. Well, I like I was just alluding to is like my mission is to get people well, right? Because it's like if you

41:16

can get healthy and and you can do the get your body operating the way God

41:22

intended it, which it will start healing itself, right? So you can get, you know, the right nutrients. And I always teach

41:29

people five things that are free, right? Get enough water, right? Hydrate your yourself, get some sun, the vitamin D

41:35

thing we talked about a little bit, you know, and then get grounding to get rid of the negative energy and recharge your

41:41

body with good energy, do good breathing techniques, give you good oxygen, um, and then you get good nutrition, right?

41:48

And, uh, if you can do those five things, those are can be free, right? Um, and then you add it with the right

41:55

supplementation aka in Exodus and and your products that people are then going

42:00

to supplement the right nutrients they need. And then your body's going to operate the way it's supposed to. So the first thing is let's get you well

42:07

because what happens is when you're not well, you're sitting on the couch, right? You're Netflixing and chilling

42:12

all day. It's just like you're not doing what God intended you on this earth for. And if you woke up today and you have

42:18

breath in your lungs, which I hope you do, and if you do, then God has a plan

42:24

for your life. Specifically, you everyone, anyone listening to this is like you have breath in your lungs. So

42:30

that means you have a you have a purpose. And so when you find that purpose, you're going to make a difference in this world. You're going

42:36

to go talk to your neighbor that you may not have talked to to before because you're you just didn't feel well. You

42:42

didn't want to go do that. You may go talk to your grandparents. You may go talk to your, you know, kids. you just

42:47

you're going to be a productive member of society and then you're going to start wanting to make a difference. And

42:53

so that's that's really what we see is let's get people well. Um and if we can get people well then guess what? They're

42:59

probably more open to having the spiritual conversation. And and if we can help them with their faith, even

43:05

better, right? Because at the end of the day, we're all going to die. And I I know that uh when I get there, I want

43:12

him to say, "Well done, good fa good and faithful servant." because that nothing else literally matters. So, so I want

43:19

other people to have that same ability and and join me on that on that mission.

43:25

Beautiful. And just to kind of finish up like if somebody is listening right now struggling with their health or faith,

43:32

what's the kind of one message you want to leave with them today? Yeah, just like literally that he has

43:38

you're here. You have a purpose. So since people do have a purpose, right? Don't be anxious, right? And if you are,

43:45

then find solutions like True Hope, right? They have amazing solutions that can help you. You know, we have

43:51

solutions. They're amazing for energy. If you're really lacking energy, Exodus is amazing solution to help you with

43:58

that. So, do that. And I want to give your audience the ability to get it a

44:03

free sample of our product. If you just go to exodus.comfree, we'll send you a selfress and you send

44:09

us a self-addressed stamp envelope, we'll send you back a a free one. Now, whether we can do that in Canada, probably not. But if you're in the

44:16

States, I can I can do that. But, um, anyway, it's a a free gift that we like

44:21

to give to people. And just I I want you to get well. And if you're interested in

44:27

uh a biblical conversation, you know, I think that just just start being inquisitive, right? And I know there's a lot of people that don't believe and

44:33

that's okay. I I wasn't a believer for for a long time, but uh just be inquisitive about it. So it just that

44:39

that's my advice is one if you have breath in your lungs he does have a plan for you. So you know get uh get well and

44:46

then when you get well you can uh make a difference in this world because that's what we're here really all here about is

44:52

to to live this experience that we we are on earth and then you know we're all

44:57

going to end up at the judgment seat and uh I I want you to have the same um

45:03

excitement about getting there as I do. It's like, you know, I want to make a difference in this world and and I want

45:08

him to say that to me because uh and nothing else matters. Last thing I want to do is go go the other way.

45:15

That's awesome. Can you let us know where people can connect with you and learn more about you and your business, please?

45:20

Yeah. So, exodus.com is the best place to to look at our uh you know, supplements, etc. And then I'm working

45:28

on an exciting community called biohackingville. So biohackingville.com

45:33

is going to be an awesome resource for people just if you're interested in all things biohacking, you know, whether

45:40

it's red light therapy or cold plunging, we're have amazing resources there. But then I'm also building an an awesome

45:46

integrative oncology section, right? So people that do have cancer can find these resources and do it. Then we

45:53

literally have a faith community in there as well because uh if you're interested in things faith you have a

45:59

community that you can go ask questions for us like what does it mean by this and you have a place to go and you know

46:05

without any um you know without any fear you can go ask questions and so that

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that's what what I'm trying to build is this biohackingville community that's really going to make a difference in the world. Beautiful. Rob, thank you so much

46:19

for coming on the show today and sharing such amazing things uh with us with the audience. I've I've learned I've learned

46:25

a whole lot and I think that we've actually um our company and you you and your company

46:31

have got a lot of things in common. got a lot a lot of alignment and I think that you know I spoken about

46:38

community before as well and how vital that is for people to be able to see that there is hope, there is faith,

46:44

there is truth out there and there are people out there who are um doing doing those things that can support you on

46:50

your journey regardless of where you are on it, right? Um so yeah, I really want to thank you

46:56

for coming on to the show and sharing some amazing things with us, Rob. Thank you so much. Thanks. Thanks for having me. What a

47:01

pleasure to meet you. Beautiful. Well, that is it for this episode of True Hope Cast, the official

47:06

podcast for True Hope Canada. I'll put some information in the show notes so you can connect with Rob um and check

47:13

out his amazing stuff. You can leave us a review on iTunes and on Spotify if you want to. But that is it for this week.

47:19

Thanks for listening. We'll see you soon. [Music]