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these are all things that can contribute to a very complex little tea trauma and

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it's so easy to dismiss because it doesn't look like something

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that people would recognize as a a a true trauma and it's easy to dismiss

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ignore deny and um just get angry at yourself about and so these are the

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things that often trigger us into things like procrastination or

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addiction and it's so um those are the symptoms

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and it's it really benefits us to go back and look at the cause but having just this emotional awareness is the

0:47

thing that is going to kind of change the trajectory of the way people think honoring and acknowledging the fact that

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there's a part of you that was hurt and a part of you that needs love and

0:59

compassion really is kind of the answer to everything it's not about getting rid

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of those things it's about learning to lean into them and process them so that

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they can actually be um ejected from our bodies

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is a seasoned professional with over 20 years of experience in the health and wellness space she's a certified massage

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therapist nutritional therapist colon hydrotherapist Reiki master and tapping coach and for the past 16 years she's

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focused on the transformative power of tapping an approach she has used not only with clients but also in her own

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healing journey from chronic pain and illness amy is the founder of the Sore with Tapping app a platform designed to

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make this powerful healing modality accessible to everybody she also believes tapping is one of the most

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effective tools available for emotional and physical transformation today's episode is titled From Overwhelmed to

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Empowered: The Healing Power of Tapping we'll explore how this simple yet profound technique can help you break

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free from stress anxiety and emotional roadblocks and move forward towards greater clarity balance and well-being

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enjoy the show okay Amy hi welcome to True Hope Cast how are you what's going well i'm

2:55

great Simon thank you so much for having me um the sun is shining and u birds are singing outside so we're in a good place

3:02

yeah it's a springtime it's super positive it makes just I think just the when you can wake up and the sun's there

3:08

it's ready to go like how much easier is it to just like get up and get excited about the day like it's it's pretty

3:15

special it does bring a different energy that's for sure yeah it certainly does um well we're going to be discussing

3:22

from overwhelmed to empowered the healing power of tapping that's our topic for today but before we jump into

3:29

that topic would you mind just sharing a little bit more about who you are and what it is that you do

3:36

yes um let's see i am a wife and a mother of a 12-year-old daughter i live

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in California um and I have been an EFT tapping coach for 16 years

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i had probably limited what I would call limited success with it over the years

3:56

until I reached kind of a crisis point in my life um maybe six years

4:02

ago and I started tapping on what I believed to be the root cause of some of

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my issues and that was when everything changed because I suddenly realized the

4:14

full potential of this tool and it became my passion and my mission to

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share with others so that they had it at their disposal amazing thank you for sharing um I think

4:27

just as like a basic question off the top like what does EFT stand for and what's the what what's what's tapping i

4:34

think a lot of people have probably heard of it but like maybe you can describe to us your definition from your

4:39

experience absolutely i'd love to eft stands for emotional freedom technique it has been shortened down to just

4:45

saying tapping and most people are just familiar with calling it that these days but what it is is

4:52

um it's a really a triple threat because there is the energetic therapy that is

4:59

involved with it it's very similar to acupuncture in that it utilizes the 14 energy meridians found in Chinese

5:06

medicine but instead of using the needles you are using the percussion of

5:11

tapping on your acupressure points so there's that energetic aspect there's

5:17

also a cognitive aspect um similar to talk therapy where you are talking about

5:23

whatever it is you want to release while you are tapping on your energy meridians and then there's the somatic aspect

5:30

because while you're tapping on your body you cannot help but gather in your

5:35

energy from worrying about the past and gather in your energy from worrying about the future and tapping on your

5:41

body will bring your energy into the present moment and help you feel more uh peaceful and calm no matter what very

5:49

cool yeah so what though is happening on a scientific level is that whenever we

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get in um I'll call it an agitated state whether it's an anxious state or a

6:01

depressed state or something along those lines that stress center in our brain has been triggered somehow we've had a

6:08

fear being triggered or um a past memory being triggered and our our that part of

6:16

our brain is designed at all cost to keep us safe mhm so it releases you know

6:23

floods our body with cortisol and um puts us in a state of anxiety so what

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tapping does is that it starts to deescalate those messages that the

6:35

amygdala is getting and it will reduce cortisol in our bodies by 43% faster

6:41

than it would if you didn't do anything else it will lower your heart rate it will lower blood pressure and it will

6:48

help you feel more uh peaceful and calm even without saying anything and that

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all can happen within a short period of time like 15 minutes wow um but then you add in the fact that

7:01

you're talking about whatever it is that is causing you stress and you're and it

7:06

starts to reprogram your neuropathways to associate a feeling of safety and

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calm with whatever it is you're talking about so it is a very powerful and very

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fast and effective way of neutralizing things that would normally cause like an

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emotional disruption so if I had no idea about tapping and

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frequency and energy and meridians and all these things I was just thinking about

7:35

um how I might have perceived people like

7:41

tapping in a response to agitation or anxiety like when somebody is like you

7:48

know tapping their foot relentlessly which I cannot stand um like when they're at the sitting at the table or

7:54

they're like in a in a lecture or something and they you know they're fidgety and their their body is moving

8:00

and even people who are like you know tapping their fingers all the time and like doing this um what's the connection

8:06

between because obviously that's coming from the brain somewhere probably on a subconscious level is there a connection

8:11

is it like is it like a a method in which the body is the brain is trying to

8:17

reduce the stress or anxiety in that moment for that person kind of the way in which tapping you're describing how

8:24

it's being used well I think you're what you're asking is really referring to kind of just nervous energy in somebody

8:31

if they've got like excess energy and they don't know what to do with it they'll they'll tap their foot or tap

8:36

something along those lines but with EFT tapping where you tap has to be very

8:42

specific and that's the only area of tapping that I tell people it really benefits you to be a bit of a

8:48

perfectionist because if you're not tapping on the exact right spot then it

8:54

won't be nearly as effective um as tapping anywhere else so for example

8:59

like the the first spot is right at the beginning of our eyebrow point and if you're tapping up where somewhere in the

9:04

middle of your forehead doesn't have the same effect so where you're tapping is

9:10

very specific and because those are the points where our our energy meridians

9:16

kind of rise to the surface of our bodies and you can actually have an

9:21

impact on them by tapping on those spots a random spot on your shoulder or tapping your foot would not have the

9:28

same effect as EFT tapping cool yeah that I mean that makes a lot of sense especially what you know when you when

9:33

you know a little bit about meridians and Chinese medicine and and acupuncture and even acupressure and things like

9:39

that it's very you have you have to be trained you have to know what you're doing and you have to know what's connected and I'm sure the right

9:46

pressure is necessary in a lot of these things as well so it's not like something you can just like um do

9:52

without any sort of training or an app or guidance etc so

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well I mean there are some things that are more helpful than others um but if

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you're tapping on the right spots and you're just talking about what it is you want to release

10:11

then it really is quite effective more effective than you might think i mean it

10:16

looks rather silly and I think that's one of the things that most people struggle with they have to tap on their

10:22

body in order to experience some kind of relief but the great thing is you won't

10:29

hurt yourself by doing any of this or by doing it in a wrong way you just might

10:34

not achieve the same results yeah i even think there's something to things that

10:39

are maybe a little bit silly that are like shaking things up for us doing things that are out of our norm changing our neural pathways you know like

10:46

shaking things out and like just dancing around and being a being a kid um you

10:51

you clearly step out of a stressful state which is a lot of people were just

10:57

hardwired that way these days and we're trying to break that a bit I guess yes I agree cool yeah we aren't meant to be

11:03

under this amount of stress by any means you get triggered 50 100 times a day and

11:10

it's not supposed to happen that often that's for sure that's right i'd love to learn a little bit more about what led

11:16

you into tapping because I know you've got a pretty diverse background when it comes to like healing modalities so yeah

11:22

like what what led you into tapping and what was the was there like a personal breakthrough that made you specifically

11:29

like really believe in this transformative power it's not like I'm guessing it's not like you start reading

11:34

a tapping book and then you're like "Oh my gosh I'm all in." It's usually something big happens with the

11:40

understanding of the practice as well yes definitely i I can I can say with

11:46

all honesty that I've always been a seeker and so I was always looking for

11:51

something to make myself or make other people feel better that was just something that was kind of hardwired in

11:57

me um but I did um have a breast cancer diagnosis at the age of

12:04

31 and so there was a big part of me that asked the question like why me and

12:12

I I don't mean that in a shaking my fist at God kind of way like why me as a seeker though you're asking it as a

12:18

seeker i was really curious i really wanted to find the answer what was it

12:23

about me physically or emotionally or spiritually that kind of invited this experience in because my on a biological

12:30

level I'm the exact same as this other person over here that does not have that same diagnosis so why

12:37

me and I was at a um Tony Robbins event and

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met somebody there that introduced me to tapping and we had one session and for

12:52

whatever reason I was immediately hooked it was very shortly after that that I sought out my own coach and then got

12:59

certified on my own because I just recognized the potential in this tool at

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some level like I said I had limited success with it over the years and it

13:12

came I came to a crisis point in my life though about seven years ago six seven

13:18

years ago where um just everything was going wrong in my life um I was

13:25

struggling professionally I was struggling in my marriage I was struggling as a parent I was just

13:30

struggling with who I was across the board and I started tapping for maybe 30

13:37

minutes a day for probably 2 weeks while walking on my treadmill in the

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morning and I experienced such a profound change in just that short of a

13:50

period of time because I was I started focusing my tapping on what I

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imagined the root cause of my problems were so I had been focusing on tapping

14:03

on the symptoms whether it was you know some addiction that I was struggling

14:09

with i struggled with addictions to food um and sugar specifically or whether I

14:15

was struggling with procrastination i had been tapping on those particular symptoms but when I asked myself what's

14:23

underneath that like what am I actually afraid of and why am I afraid of those things and I started focusing on

14:29

that then my world expanded in ways I I couldn't have even imagined so it was at

14:36

that point that I became truly passionate and and and this became my

14:42

mission to bring tapping to the world wow okay well I've got a bunch of

14:47

questions i'd love to know um how you describe and I'm sure you

14:53

describe this to clients all the time because I think it's important not only to obviously teach the practical but to

14:58

teach the um teach the reasons behind why you're doing and why it works you know I think that reinforces the the

15:05

practice tenfold yeah so you were talking about 30 minutes a day for a

15:10

couple of weeks on your treadmill and you're tapping in a specific area but not only you're not just

15:16

tapping you're not just doing that but you're also focusing on you were focusing on the root cause that you

15:23

believe to be of your symptoms rather than the symptoms themselves because

15:28

that's quite interesting because as you know in alipathic conventional medicine it's all about the symptoms it's never

15:34

about like the root cause you know so I think I think that's quite an interesting practice so what do you

15:40

think the um the the benefits that you did experience from doing that practice for a couple of

15:47

weeks what do you think the benefits of doing focusing on the root cause rather than the symptoms what was the

15:52

difference there do you think i think

15:58

that let's just look at it this way so if if I was driving down the freeway and

16:03

I wanted to get from here to LA in a certain period of time all there's a million cars on the

16:11

road and I can't um make my way there i was trying to manage things like

16:21

procrastination by weaving into the car in and out of the cars and going off the

16:27

freeway and getting back on maybe at certain points and trying to find a way

16:33

around this route this distance between me and where I wanted to be i was just

16:40

trying to manage it not knowing that I actually could take the cars out one by

16:46

one take the cars out of my way so that eventually I'd have a clear path to get

16:52

between here and where I want to go that's what it means to to get rid of the root cause and when I talk about the

16:59

root cause I'm always almost always referring to some type of trauma whether

17:05

it's a big tea trauma or um a little tea trauma and I can explain

17:12

the difference between those two um but they will almost always just be in the

17:18

pathway from where you are and where you want to be and removing those things you

17:24

remove those things by removing your emotional attachment to them by doing the

17:29

tapping so for example if I had a a an

17:35

assault some kind of a big assault whether sexual or physical in any other way um in my past I would consider that

17:43

a big tea trauma it was you usually something like that is a one-off event

17:49

where it only happened once in your life and applying tapping to that there's a

17:56

very specific way to do it because in an event like that there are multiple

18:02

points along the timeline of that event where I would experience regret for not

18:09

making a different choice guilt for not doing something differently or shame in some way shape or form

18:15

um and that all of those things need to be neutralized otherwise it creates a

18:23

fear a massive fear that you're not safe in some way shape or form you're not

18:28

good enough in some way shape or form or there's something wrong with you and with that fear comes a limiting belief

18:37

like I'm not good enough um I'm I'm never going to succeed mhm see just

18:43

something along those lines so I can work on the feeling that I'm not good

18:49

enough but if the source of the problem the trauma is still

18:56

um emotionally charged for me then I will continue to try and chip

19:03

away something that I'm never ever going to get to the source of it it's like trying to stop a leak two miles down the

19:10

river you know it's so it's going back to that root cause that is always it's

19:16

the thing that is going to stop the leak and it's going to stop the problem from being a problem in the first place

19:26

yeah i mean yeah those big types of traumas a lot of people certainly experience and obviously trauma is

19:31

different for everybody i guess the the worst thing that's happened to you is the worst thing that's happened to you right like it's going to be different

19:37

for different people yes and yeah I think there's um a really a

19:44

really large misunderstanding of like stress response nervous system

19:50

dysregulation and and that energy that frequency that comes within that type of an incidence

19:57

and it has to go somewhere and if it's not worked through it's not processed it's not digested and eliminated then it

20:05

stays within the body and if you are not if you are working within those limiting beliefs constantly and you are um firing

20:14

and worrying those thoughts thousand let's just say a thousand times a day yes for years for decades yes it ends up

20:21

becoming your personality it's your everyday you you are that you are that those thoughts that originally come from

20:27

a situation that turns into one thought that turns into 20 that turns into 20 thoughts that you just go over and over

20:34

again and it's funny it's not funny at all but it's it's wild that because we

20:39

can't see these things happening um in somebody's psychology that we kind of

20:45

think that they're not a big deal or they don't exist it's just in your head

20:50

and it's really a massive injustice to so many people who do suffer with with so many different things where it could

20:57

be it could be minor for somebody it could be major for other people and I think it's just great that we're able to

21:03

have conversations like this to have more and more people understand that um

21:08

trauma is a very serious thing you know our nervous system is this beautiful amazing ancient biochemical um system

21:17

that with any system that's disregulated it will end up dysfunctioning and not

21:23

working in your favor and especially in a survival situation in a state where you need

21:29

um your brain or your body to act in your best interest in a short period of time you know we obviously don't live in

21:35

a most people don't live in a world where that is a beneficial state to be in all of the time right but when we do

21:42

have practices like tapping meditation even just standing and being in nature

21:47

and shutting out all the noise and all the light your brain and your body have

21:53

got the ability to regulate a little bit easier rather than they don't have all these external distractions um

22:00

surrounding it kind of reaffirming the limiting beliefs and all the let's

22:05

just call stresses that come with that initial trauma and yeah it's just it's

22:10

it's wild that we we're still in our infancy when it comes to understanding these things when

22:18

I feel like if we were 20,000 years ago in small communities we would

22:23

have I was just going to call them I'm going to call them like religious practices whatever they might be for

22:28

wherever you are would have been in the world that would help people get through those traumas because obviously people

22:34

would have lost kids people would have lost parents people would have lost limbs bad things would have happened 20,000

22:41

year years ago um but I feel like there would have been practices based around energy based around empathy and kindness

22:49

and love and joy and grace um which carry a very different frequency

22:54

to hate and regret and all these these other things and it's yeah I feel like

23:01

we are just re maybe relearning this kind of like spiritual element of what healing might be what do you think uh I

23:08

couldn't agree more i actually think we're on the cusp of another breakthrough in in understanding who we

23:15

are because we are spiritual and emotional and intellectual and physical

23:21

beings and we have largely you know there's a big spiritual movement there's

23:28

a big physical movement and intellectual movement everybody has kind of valued those things very highly yeah and now

23:35

we're starting to value more highly the emotional side of who we are and so it's

23:41

getting a lot more attention lately which is really exciting yeah for anybody working in the field because I

23:47

think that um and I want to go back to talking about the different definitions

23:53

of trauma because I think that's one of the biggest mistakes that people make in

23:59

looking at their life and their own behavior is they assume that they haven't had any trauma if if it doesn't

24:07

look like a big tea trauma if it doesn't look like some huge event massive abuse or something along those lines they they

24:13

can easily say "Well I don't you know what do I have to complain about sort of thing?" But there is a whole another

24:20

category called little tea trauma that doesn't look like anything else it could

24:26

be as simple as having an angry parent in the household that caused you to be scared going home

24:34

every single day and made you think that everything had to be perfect in order to

24:41

avoid the wrath of that anger even if there was no physical abuse involved you

24:47

know if that happens over a significant length of time that is can be far more

24:54

severe and complex than a big tea trauma same thing could happen if a child was

25:01

ignored because parents are working a number of jobs or if they just didn't have the mo emotional capacity to

25:07

dedicate to their kids it can invoke the same type of feeling for the child same

25:13

if you had like an overly critical parent these are all things that can contribute to a very complex little tea

25:21

trauma and it's so easy to dismiss because it doesn't look like something

25:28

that people would recognize as a a a true trauma and it's easy to dismiss

25:36

ignore deny and um just get angry at yourself about and so these are the

25:43

things that often trigger us into things like procrastination or

25:48

addiction and it's so um those are the symptoms

25:56

and it's it really benefits us to go back and look at the cause but having just this emotional awareness is the

26:04

thing that is going to kind of change the trajectory of the way people think honoring and acknowledging the fact that

26:10

there's a part of you that was hurt and a part of you that needs love and

26:15

compassion really is kind of the answer to everything it's not about getting rid

26:20

of those things it's about learning to lean into them and process them so that

26:26

they can actually be um ejected from our bodies yeah yeah and what's really

26:32

unfortunate is that a lot of these little tea traumas you're talking about happen to kids when they're developing

26:38

when their brains are developing their nervous systems are developing and a lot of these little TE's are happening kind

26:44

of kind of kind of behind closed doors with people who are supposed to be their

26:50

primary caregivers to take care to take care of them and what then their their physiology and psychology grows up in an

26:58

environment where their protectors are associated with with fear and anger

27:05

and rage it's like if you grow up in a world like that like everything else outside of that is going to be you're

27:10

going to be scared and as a as kids we are naturally narcissistic in that

27:17

little kid brain of ours we think that everything in the world happens because of us and so we don't have all of the

27:24

information we don't have the ability to process what's happening around us with

27:30

a critical eye you know we just look at it as our fault i need to adapt somehow

27:37

and the adapt part is usually the thing that is um becomes a problem later on

27:44

and our our primitive brain doesn't recognize that that same threat isn't um

27:51

present anymore it just reverts back to that childhood

27:56

way of thinking about it yeah i really love the um like you see the images of like deer when they are they feel a

28:04

threat yeah whether it's from a car or something and there's videos of

28:09

them where they like they literally like they'll they'll freeze and then they shake they shake out of themselves and

28:16

then they carry on doing that thing like that that nervous system processing it's very very cool and it's you know we I

28:22

wish that sometimes I was you know just had the lifestyle of a deer you know right

28:29

I um yeah just yeah just just shake it off you know that's right um and yeah

28:34

obviously many people are struggling with feelings of overwhelm on a on a daily basis um especially today um what

28:42

are some signs that tapping could especially know especially be helpful for somebody kind of caught in that

28:49

cycle where it's you It's a it's a daily thing for them a daily struggle

28:54

when people are generally in a state of overwhelm and or

29:00

anxiety what tends to happen is that all of our energy goes up into our head and

29:06

we get into this state of swirling thoughts where they don't have the

29:11

ability to land anywhere there's just constant worries about the past or the present um

29:17

overwhelm tends to be um underneath it tends to be feelings of like worrying

29:23

that um people are going to judge and criticize me if I don't get these things

29:28

done if if I don't do them perfectly that sort of thing um so in a moment

29:35

like if you don't have the time or the energy to address like what's underneath what the root cause is and you just need

29:42

a band-aid to put over this gushing wound to get you through the day tapping

29:48

can actually help get you grounded in your body it can bring your energy back

29:53

down into your body and that is into the present moment and that is where you are

29:59

the most effective and the most efficient version of yourself agreed yeah so even if you're not addressing

30:07

all of these fears and traumas underneath it you can still lower your

30:12

cortisol you can still bring your heart rate down and bring yourself back to a place where you can function e more

30:19

easily in the moment yeah that that that stepping into the present moment is you know it's a big

30:25

theme of a lot of very productive the like therapy such as like meditation and

30:30

I feel a lot of people in the space of mental health who you know are fearful of the past and experience depression or

30:37

fearful of the future experiencing anxiety stepping into that present moment and just being just being aware

30:43

of your your brain your body your surroundings and all and the things that are wonderful in your life it it's Um

30:51

it's giving you it's giving your nervous system a rest from this like this this on and off stress rest stress rest state

30:59

and if you can find yourself I spoke to thousands of people about like when they

31:04

have made the most like transformative um uh changes in their lives for the better it's when they're able to step in

31:12

the present moment for for longer periods of time so whether they start with a 10-minute walk where they're

31:18

actually like walking and saying the things that they see so they're staying in the moment and not letting their mind drift and then then stepping into a

31:25

meditation for 20 minutes or a yoga practice or then into using like tapping

31:31

for example if you can increase that window of staying in the present moment you will not only will you refuel your

31:40

brain and body and recharge yourself and provide yourself energy um you are going to reduce biomarkers of stress you are

31:48

going to reduce biomarkers of anxiety and depression and all these things so um yeah that that that present moment

31:54

piece when you mentioned that that really stood out for me um I can easily say that that was one of the most

32:02

transformational things for me is being able to be in the trans present moment and for decades before that I was unable

32:12

to do something like meditation because I my brain was going constantly

32:17

constantly worrying i couldn't stop the thoughts i couldn't even minimize them i

32:23

was always worried so much um so that's why I think tapping is also a

32:30

great sister tool to a lot of these other practices like meditation because

32:35

if you used tapping to slow down those thought and get them out of your body

32:42

talk about them while you're tapping and and lowering that cortisol in your system then you are you put yourself in

32:49

a much um better position to reap the benefits of medit meditation or even

32:56

breath work or something like that or or or a walk in nature i mean I can walk in nature and have my mind go berserk about

33:04

all of the things that are back at my desk waiting for me right so it's a

33:10

great sister tool for a lot of those things tool and can really enhance your experience with those things yeah and

33:17

for those people who do really struggle to to to meditate or to just like sit

33:22

and just be in the present moment like you were just kind of describing of yourself there and I've experienced it

33:27

as well i think it's good to just recognize that that's just the that's the program that's just running in the

33:33

system at the moment and you're able to reprogram upload new software it might

33:39

take some time you know if you can go from a one minute meditation to a five minute to a 10-minute you are

33:44

reprogramming the system to be able to sit more in the present moment and it it takes time we live in a very frantic

33:51

stressful world and we have to actively um work to put these practices into our

33:58

lives to benefit our psychological and our physiological health like it just has to happen these days unless you are

34:05

lucky to live out into the mountains and you're self-sufficient there and you're probably just living in absolute bliss

34:10

but that's not the majority of people so we have to we have to work at it like we not only do we have to like supplement

34:16

our bodies because our soil and our food is so nutrient poor our souls are

34:21

nutrient poor and we need to get kind of get back to it so um it's like building

34:26

a muscle right i mean we haven't we haven't exercised the emotional part of

34:32

us um for many many hundreds of years it has I mean we've emotions have been made

34:39

wrong in so many ways across time and engaging with them feels like um you're

34:47

going to get judged and criticized but the more we kind of engage with that

34:52

muscle and kind of lean into our emotions and allow ourselves to actually feel them we are creating those

35:02

different neuropathways and allowing ourselves to move through the emotions as opposed to

35:09

just storing and stuffing them in different parts of our body and having them kind of create problems physical

35:16

problems and and other problems in different ways so learning to do that and having the

35:23

determination to stick with it like you said is our greatest asset in our

35:30

healing journey nothing is truly going to be overnight i mean those examples

35:36

are few and far between they absolutely happen and I believe that we're capable of them but when we continually work at

35:46

get using heavier and heavier weights with our um mental health and physical

35:53

health and spiritual health we will reap the benefits with it over time but having that determination is our best

36:00

asset in this regard yeah i think as human beings we've we've lost lost a

36:07

sense that we would have had and it's this connection to spirituality it's this connection to our brain our body

36:13

the cosmos nature around us and obviously we live most people live in like big cities with loads of lights

36:19

it's not so easy to be in nature all the time but if your 10,000 years ago your

36:24

norm was just nature your norm was the birds singing and you know and every

36:29

night you would see one trillion stars up there and you would be blown away you'd be connected to something so much

36:35

bigger than you you wouldn't just be trapped in your head or your body you just be connected and I think that just

36:40

through just through our cultural evolution we we have we've we've lost that and I feel like we've spoke about

36:46

it earlier in the show that we people's desire for for a spiritual

36:52

connection for something outside of us whether that's with other people or a community or something something bigger

36:58

people are just like just want that and they're striving for that right now and I think it's only going to benefit

37:03

people to to be able to recognize that and there's so many ways in which people

37:09

can harness that need and develop it yeah we're desperate for it right now i

37:16

think it's evident everywhere you look and

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um yeah there's just an intense craving to get back to that who we really are

37:29

it's just natural right it's just I think it's a natural thing and then if we look at the majority of people's lives it's quite unnatural we eat

37:36

unnatural food we sleep in unnatural environments we have unnatural lights surrounding us a lot of what we do and a

37:42

lot of it's unavoidable i've got three unnatural lights shining at me right now but we have to do our very best to get

37:49

back to to the natural whether that's within our diet within the way that we have to naturally move our bodies in

37:54

different ways to reap the benefits of that and um I think a lot of people kind of know what it is that they kind of

38:00

should be doing but when we're kind of trapped whether that's in the thoughts of the past or the thoughts of the

38:07

future it can be difficult to step into the present moment and think about what it is that my body needs right now and

38:14

actually do that uh it can be very very challenging for a lot of people yeah yeah especially if this is not something

38:21

that we're familiar with or or have been exposed to a lot and when I'm thinking

38:28

about emotions in particular for example like if you had an angry parent and you decided at a

38:35

very young age that anger is destructive right and you decided on some level of who you are

38:43

that I'm gonna I'm making a vow that I am not going to be an angry person

38:48

so you have um essentially taken that out of your arsenal of who you are

38:54

there's so there's a lot of problems that happen with doing something like that and you have essentially cut off a

39:02

vital emotion something that gives you clues about some things that are unfair

39:09

in life that your anger will always be triggered because there is something

39:14

unfair and it needs to be paid attention to if you have made a vow that that's not something that you want to

39:21

incorporate in your life because you've seen an extreme version of that then you

39:27

have robbed yourself of something really vital so looking at the things that

39:32

scare you is also a really important practice because it can be really really

39:39

huge in your mind that that anger is really a bad thing and then when you

39:44

take a look at it you can see and you lean into it you can see that it was bad in that in that circumstance and but

39:52

there is an element of it that is healthy for me to incorporate back into my life and get back to who I really am

39:59

because denying a huge part of who I am is not necessarily the answer it's

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bringing it back in a way that is more balanced beautifully said i couldn't agree more

40:10

and I think when you w when you have a clear intention on something and you wrap that in elevated emotions then

40:18

amazing things can absolutely happen like for some of the main reasons that I

40:23

try to eat as best as I can i try to move my body every day and I try to genuinely be happy and playful is

40:29

because I that's the type of people I want my kids to grow up into to being i don't want them to be angry or upset or

40:36

stressed out so I try and not be those things as well to try and set that example and um if you're struggling for

40:42

a clear intention or um or a goal um just look to your kids I think and you

40:49

know you can try and be try and be that example for them I guess and you know I want to be rolling around on the floor

40:56

playing with my grandkids when I'm 90 and that's kind of like why I try and make good choices now like 40 years 50

41:02

years before that so there's always some good there's always some good motivation out there and children are a good source

41:08

of that I find yeah kids are the best you you model for them the the life that

41:14

they want to live and um and then they'll they'll do that behavior if you

41:21

talk a great story and then you do something else they they can see the

41:27

uh the discrepancy in in doing that kind of thing yeah so you really have to

41:32

model what you want them just to do that's for sure that's for sure um I want to ask you about your app saw with

41:40

tapping yes um and I think it's designed to help people access the tools of

41:46

tapping a a lot more e easily so I'd love to know like what inspired the

41:52

creation of the app and how know how do you hope it impacts its users

41:57

uh what inspired me was I had that crisis moment and I I started do working

42:04

with clients full-time um but I felt that I wasn't

42:09

reaching enough people and I really want a lot of people to have access to this

42:14

tool and when I I looked at what was available in form of an app out there I

42:20

saw um I didn't see something that harnessed the full power of this tool

42:25

that we were talking about earlier so I saw a lot of tapping apps that were putting a band-aid over the problem

42:33

which like I said can be very helpful in a moment not but there aren't many people that have like an hour to

42:39

dedicate to tapping on the root cause of something um every single day

42:45

so sometimes it's really helpful to have a band-aid but I also wanted to give people the option of and the instruction

42:53

for how to tackle something like anxiety at its core or depression or addiction

42:59

or procrastination at its core and give them like an order to do things

43:07

in that is the fastest way to do it and the most effective way to do it so that

43:13

when somebody is depressed and they go to try to tap on something they're not overwhelmed with a hundred 200 different

43:20

tapping scripts they have a very specific place that they can go in the

43:26

app that will sh that will make the biggest impact on what they're

43:31

experiencing in that moment so I wanted to give people a tool and

43:37

the instruction for how to deal with some of these bigger things um because

43:42

that's I I really focused on foundational fears what I call foundational fears because those are

43:48

usually at the root of every single issue that people struggle with so I

43:55

always instruct people start there start with writing down your top 10 fears and

44:01

I don't just generally mean like fear of spiders or you know fear of heights or something like that what I'm talking

44:06

about is like fear of not belonging fear of um not being worthy or deserving of

44:13

love fear of your physical body if you've had like big physical problems in

44:19

your life there can be a real fear of this vessel that we just are moving around the world in so I instruct people

44:26

to do that first and then all of the rest will follow so um yeah I really

44:32

just wanted to give people the tools to work through their own stuff and an avenue that makes it easy and affordable

44:38

to do that not everybody can afford a 90minute session with me um so this is a

44:46

great alternative for that yeah I think that the foundational piece on kind of anything when it comes to I think uh

44:53

healing and change transformation when people really want to take that on board seriously i think you know people you

45:01

they sign up for the gym in January every year or so like that's cool and that's great but it's like the thing

45:08

that really usually and it's weird because it usually comes from like trauma or tragedy or something bad

45:15

happening to to you to really kick you kind of into gear to look at something

45:21

that you really want to take with both hands and use to help transform your body and for us here at True Hope when

45:29

it comes to like foundational health foundational nutrition we find that so many people once they're once they're

45:35

able to take care of the foundational requirements that their brain and their body need to create that are the

45:43

essential building blocks to produce the proteins to produce the fats the carbohydrates to you know get into the

45:50

cell and do its thing once people are able to like take care of the foundations like if you were to like

45:55

know build a house you start with the foundations right for the for that strong house people then are able to step into the

46:04

kind of the next stage where they're able to really harness the new skill set that they're taking on board or jump

46:11

into the practices that they may want to do in it but it all starts with those foundational pieces if you've never

46:17

golfed before you've got to work on your grip you got to work on your stance you got to work on these foundational pieces

46:23

because if you don't do those things you're not going to hit this golf ball right and I'm just a golfer so I just had to use that little description there

46:30

but it's not because I've seen my four-year-old golf and before a couple

46:35

of little tweaks just how to stand he can't hit the thing and now he stands properly and he can hit it every time so

46:41

it's great so the foundational piece in anything is is absolutely vital and especially with a product like ours our

46:47

flagship product here is called Empower Plus it's a broadspectctrum micronutrient formula one of the most studied micronutrients on the planet and

46:53

the reason it works so well is because we keate our minerals for four four days

46:59

the industry standard is four hours so you're actually able to get these building blocks these foundational

47:04

pieces through your blood brain barrier into your brain you can start nutrating your brain very very quickly mhm and

47:11

what that does for people on that foundational level it gives them this this this spark this new this new energy

47:20

in which they're able to think about doing these other things that are so vital for their mental health and their

47:25

physical health whether that's going for a run or starting to do tapping or meditation whatever that might be yeah

47:31

and it's just that it's that kickstart that a lot of people like might need especially after in some cases decades

47:38

of being on and off different medications trying all the different therapies to kind of get their PTSD or

47:44

their anxiety or their depression uh um under under control but when they're

47:51

actually able to provide their brain it's again like I guess it's kind of putting their body in the present moment

47:57

by providing it nutrition so it's not in this constant state of stress this constant state of lack and deficiency

48:04

and if you're able to provide it what it needs it's going to it's going to replenish you it's going to heal you

48:09

it's going to do all these things and then you're able to take the next steps to be able to develop and I'm sure that

48:15

when people come onto your app and they learn about tapping and they learn the basics and then they begin to build that

48:22

routine and they turn it into like a practice that ends up being something they do every day that they really look

48:28

forward to that is supplementing their spiritual health um that's that's

48:37

beautiful because that's that's what we want to do we want to build because people for many many years and decades

48:42

sometimes they've been kind of destroying those positive habits that we

48:48

kind of really need yeah that's that's a really great illustration i'm a huge fan

48:53

of a comprehensive approach to healing and how something like your supplements

48:59

and tapping could work so well together maybe the supplements um trigger a better feeling and a and a willingness

49:06

to um take better care of yourself and do some more tapping and and sometimes

49:12

tapping can make you want to take care of your body better and so all of these things work together so well and when

49:19

you use them together then your healing is that much faster right um with

49:26

tapping in particular it can be really really fast um I healed myself of

49:32

probably two decades of lower back pain within like two hours of tapping and I

49:38

had chronic UTI from um the age of two years old and

49:44

when I discovered what the root cause of that was I healed myself from being able

49:51

having to take medication practically daily and I still get UTI sometimes but

49:56

I know exactly what to tap on and then I can make it go away really really fast when I do so there's benefits to all of

50:04

these different modalities and when we can use them together they can even

50:10

heighten the effect of all of them beautiful i love a comprehensive approach yeah it has to be done like

50:17

that like I I think that you know we have some we're lucky to have some amazing practitioners come on to the show that talk about their spe their

50:23

specialty but they've all come into a position where they recognize that this is you know it's not this one thing

50:29

that's going to fix everything for you it just doesn't work like that's the that's the alipathic you know pill for

50:35

an ill mentality and that's just not how our biology works it's not how our spiritual body works it it's this is way

50:42

more complex than that we have to fuel it and feed it from this holistic comprehensive standpoint so I'm glad

50:47

that you brought that up that's really cool um I think for somebody listening right now uh who is feeling overwhelmed

50:55

feeling kind of stuck or emotionally drained what do you think one simple tapping exercise or maybe even

51:02

nutritional shift that they could try today to start feeling like a little bit more empowered

51:09

well um I mean there are many tapping scripts on the app that somebody could

51:15

do there's 10-minute tapping scripts or 20-minut tapping scripts but I think

51:21

just the most effective thing is to lean in to the uncomfortable feelings

51:27

that you're feeling uh studies have shown that it takes literally about 90

51:33

seconds of feeling an emotion for it to start dissipating so that's really what the

51:40

app is designed to do it's designed to help you lean into uncomfortable emotions and tell your body through the

51:48

tapping that it's it's okay to feel safe and calm about having this

51:53

emotion and I I think one of the main things that people will often feel is

51:59

counterintuitive about tapping is that it will help you acknowledge and

52:05

honor the negative emotions i don't I don't think that there are any negative emotions but um people

52:13

have not great relationships with some of the the more uncomfortable ones yeah

52:19

they're just emotions at the end of the day i get they're just emotions at the end of the day um so leaning into them

52:25

is what the app is designed to do so it might feel counterintuitive that for somebody that goes to the app they want

52:31

to feel better for for them to be repeating me saying things that are hard

52:37

like I I feel like I'm not worthy or deserving and it feels like nobody loves me or something whatever along those

52:44

lines but it's acknowledging it and honoring it over and over again giving it its day in court that allows it to be

52:52

released from our body so sometimes leaning into the things that feel hard

52:57

and moving through them is the actual answer as opposed to skirting around it

53:02

and just placing positivity on top of something that doesn't feel good

53:08

sometimes it's actually uncovering those things that makes them disappear

53:13

i love it i'm going to download the app for sure and give it a go and I think my six-year-old son would really enjoy

53:19

doing something like that as well oh kids are so responsive to tapping they don't have nearly the amount of years of

53:25

evidence for uh how unworthy we are than adults do so they're they're so much

53:32

more receptive to it yeah and I bet just even the practice of doing it like it would be a fun novel thing for them to

53:38

to try and do rather than for a lot of adults probably like you know I don't want to sit there and tap myself what am

53:43

I what am I doing here yeah fun little tip when you're working with kids try and use their words what what they would

53:51

say not necessarily what an adult would say and if you do it at bedtime it will

53:57

make them very sleepy and it will make them have a good night's sleep i do it with my daughter all the time at night

54:03

all right I'm going to try that tonight usually it's it's been Harry Potter that's been putting my oldest to sleep these days so I'm going to try some

54:09

tapping as well and mix it up yeah yeah talk about whatever whatever was involved in their day any hard things

54:15

that came up just have them talk through it and tap on their little spots the app will show you it'll it'll has a diagram

54:22

that shows you what the tapping spots are and if you wanted to use a script it has like a visual representation but

54:29

then the audio will also tell you prompt you for the different spots to tap on

54:35

yeah i want to um tell your listeners that they can go to

54:43

soarwithtapping.commpodcast- special and they can uh find a code there that they can input into the app to get 50% off of

54:50

their first annual subscription i just want to make sure I get that right sawwithtappy.com

54:59

podcast special oh perfect yeah I can see that there 50% off that's awesome very cool i'll make sure that's in the

55:06

link with your website and everything is there anywhere else you think people should go to get more info or is is the website the best place to go website is

55:13

the best place but I'm also on uh you know Tik Tok and Instagram i usually do

55:19

like daily little tapping things to help people through their day stuff like that

55:25

that's what we need that's great i think I think the more solutions in which we can help people get into the present moment and help through the um the

55:33

traumas that people have experienced the better and I think it's great that we're able to utilize things like Tik Tok and

55:39

have these long form conversations where people can become a little bit more maybe motivated and inspired and get

55:45

solutions to these things because there's not a whole lot of solutions for some of the things that we've talked

55:51

about coming from the like conventional model unfortunately it should be a first

55:56

line in many cases for a lot of people it should be government subsidized and it should be spread out there this app

56:02

should be free and out there for everybody to be able to try because if we could reduce stress and anxiety levels for everybody we would be living

56:09

in a much more prosperous place that's for sure but that's uh that's another political conversation that we don't

56:15

have time for today um Amy thank you so much for coming on the show i learned so much about your practice and what you're

56:21

going to do i am not kidding when I say I'm going to be going on to your website and downloading this app and giving this a try today so I encourage other people

56:29

to do that as well and I will make sure that all of the links necessary to do that including that podcast special

56:35

discount is available for people as well and I'm hoping people provide some feedback on their experience thank you

56:41

so much for having me Simon i really enjoyed this conversation awesome Amy thank you very much um okay well that's

56:47

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