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Today I welcome Chloe Himenez Peters to the podcast.

Now, Chloe is a transformational hypnotherapist

and trauma-informed coach.

She works with women worldwide to rapidly identify

and transform the subconscious blueprint of PMDD

and perimenopause symptoms so

that people can expand into their full potential.

Today on the show, we're gonna be discussing freedom from

depression, anxiety, premenstrual, and other mood disorders.

Enjoy the show. Okay. Hi, Chloe. Welcome to True Hope Cast.

Thank you so much for being with me,

for being with us today.

How are you? What is going well?

I'm really well. Thank you for having me,

Simon. Such a pleasure.

Wonderful. Wonderful. Well, we're gonna be discussing, um,

freedom from depression, anxiety, uh, premenstrual

and other mood disorders today.

We're gonna get into a bunch of different things, but

before we do that, would you mind just sharing a little bit

about who you are and what it is that you do?

Sure. So I'm Chloe Jim Pieces.

I'm a rapid transformational hypnotherapist

and trauma informed coach.

I'm also a narcissistic abuse specialist,

and I help people transform the subconscious root cause

of their hormonal symptoms

and their mental health issues so

that they can live a purposeful life of inner peace

and freedom and, um, expanded potential.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Um, one thing was set up for me,

there was living a purposeful life.

Um, do you feel like a lot

of people don't have a particular purpose at the moment,

or is it, is, is it something that

people fall off their purpose?

Because I think it's a very important thing that people have

that, but like, actually figuring out what that might be

could be quite tricky for a lot of people.

Well, it's because of the childhood programs.

We pick up the beliefs about ourselves that

what we want doesn't matter.

That we don't matter.

And so with a blueprint like that,

it's increasingly more difficult to feel into

what you really want to be doing and what you are here for.

Tell us a little bit more about that, about the, this,

these childhood programs that, you know, don't really, um,

let's say procure curiosity, um, creativity,

imagination, therefore, you know, killing a lot

of dreams kind of early on.

Would you mind telling us a little bit more about that?

Sure. So we are being programmed from being in the womb.

And as humans, our priority is to belong to our tribe.

And, um, you know,

because as children, children, we couldn't

survive without the caregiver.

So feeling rejected by the caregiver, um,

feels like death to a child.

And then, you know, in this moment of cognitive dissonance,

this is where the child will pick up, um,

beliefs about themselves.

Um, you know, the lay down these beliefs

like, I'm not enough.

There's something innately wrong with me. Um, I'm different.

I don't belong. And, um, and we, we lay down these beliefs.

It's like an adaptation. It is an adaptation.

As intelligent beings, we're adapting

to our environment in order to survive.

Um, and it's amazing when you actually go to the root cause

of a symptom or, you know, depression, for example.

Depression. Um, I'm really passionate about,

because I was diagnosed with it when I was 17 years old.

I was diagnosed with, with chronic fatigue at 14,

and then clinical depression at 17, um,

a personal antidepressants

and told that I had a chemical inbands,

that there was something wrong with me.

And of course, you know, from the work that I now do, well,

the, the beliefs, uh,

on the subconscious at the subconscious route of depression,

it's like the ultimate rejection of self.

It's, I'm wrong, I'm bad. There's something wrong with me.

It's a misperception of a child, um, that stays with us.

And then this is the lens through which we see ourselves

and we see the world and the perception

that we then have of ourselves

is activating the nervous system.

And, you know, we have the fight

or flight, this is where we find anxiety and rage.

And when we reach the threshold of fight

or flights, our nervous system comes to protect us further

by shutting us down and putting us in freeze.

Our nervous system is working for us according

to this blueprint that we have on our subconscious mind from

our formative years.

And so it's only doing the job.

It can only do according to the beliefs that you have.

And so depression is a freeze response.

So is chronic fatigue, so is dissociation.

It's our nervous system coming to,

it's the ultimate survival mode.

Very interesting. Thanks for that. I, um, yeah.

So many things to pick up on there with an individual.

Are you talking about you're able to actually work

with an adult who's gone through a lot of these childhood c

unhelpful conditioning programs to help break through that?

Is that something that you is, is possible

That's what I specialize in.

Yeah. So, you know, we, we,

we talk about trauma and we categorize it into small T

and big TI don't really like to categorize trauma in

that way because what differs

between us all is our sensitivity.

And you know, like one in four, one in five

of us is a highly sensitive being.

And this is the genetic differentiation that's been

tested across over a hundred species, right?

There's many studies on this that gene for sensitivity.

So if you are a highly sensitive person, you are,

you process things deeply in your nervous system,

you are more susceptible to these limiting beliefs,

to these mutations in the belief system

that then activate the nervous system.

You are more susceptible than to depression and anxiety

and premenstrual mood disorders.

But you see the premenstrual thing, it's really alarming

for me because when, when a woman goes to the doctor

with a pre, with premenstrual dysphoric disorder, right,

which is like PMS on steroids, um,

I feel like they've been hijacked for a week,

two weeks of the month.

And this happens when the hormone shift occurs when they're

moving to the luteal phase

and the hormone acts like a truth serum.

So, you know, we have, we're cyclical beings.

We have a spring, summer, autumn, winter of our cycle,

and then in the autumn we go into this introspective mode

almost assessing our lives, and we come very close

and personal and have this access

to the subconscious imprints,

these beliefs that we lay down.

And so naturally the nervous system is highly activated

because of the perception,

because of this lens that we're seeing life through.

Um, and when people go to the doctor with this,

the doctor will then give them, uh, birth control

or offer them SSRIs.

And then the last, um, option would be a full hysterectomy.

Just take away the hormones. Yeah.

But the hormones are giving us,

the hormones are like this innate wisdom of, you know,

for women that is showing us what we need

to transform in order to well transform the imprints

that are holding us back, keeping us small

and creating these symptoms.

Um, and actually, yes,

we want freedom from the symptoms.

That's what's, you know, getting louder

and louder and louder.

But what ends up happening, the side effect

of the treatment when we do it, is, well,

amazing relationships.

Then your relationships transform.

Your parenting then transforms.

You end up realizing your what your,

what you love doing, your sole purpose.

I've worked with, I've worked with doctors

and nurses who have,

who've ended up training in the same modality as me

because they believe in it so much.

They're like, wow, now I can actually

help people at the root cause rather than

attenuating symptoms.

We can actually go to the root cause.

And it is like, it is, you know,

it's mind, body, and spirit.

And it does feel increasingly more like a calling to heal

and expanding consciousness.

The more I do this, the more I'm realizing this,

which is really interesting.

Beautiful. Yeah, I think root cause is such a huge thing

that so many, so many amazing guests on our show come in

and talk about from, from different angles.

But I think that all of them would agree on the fact that,

you know, conventional, conventional medicine,

the conventional way of thinking in regards to, you know,

a list of symptoms and then basically going through a, a,

a program and, and picking a particular drug

that's associated with those symptoms,

and then getting that individual on that,

rather than being able to spend, let's say an hour,

two hours with an individual to kind of really learn kind

of deep, deep down what's kind of going on for an individual

and being able to actually go back to somebody's childhood,

how were they bought into the world, how, you know,

what were, what was going on in the family when you

were, you're in the womb.

Like pretty intense questions that, you know,

can bring a lot of understanding to how an individual

functions, um, on a neurological level,

I guess on an immunological level as well.

So yeah, it's fascinating

that you're able to work with that.

And it, and I totally understand

and believe that many conventional doctors who went

through a lot of training who have worked with thousands

and thousands of patients looking to actually heal them

and help them and progress them to a place

where they don't need a doctor,

they don't need pharmaceuticals.

But I think after doing a lifetime of that work

and realizing that you're probably not actually

getting people to a point where they want to be, to,

you know, have this, um, life in which brings them

awe and they're pain-free and they feel strong

and passionate and they've got these wonderful things

that they want to do because a lot of people, I feel,

and I've experienced as well, they end up becoming their

disorder or their diagnosis, I should say,

and it becomes a huge part of their personality.

And everything evolves around that,

and it's a huge part of people's story.

Um, and yeah, there's, it's,

it's challenging when our primary medical system

doesn't really get what we've just spoken about

for the last, you know, like 10 minutes

in the opening of it.

But I'd love to, if you would wanna expand a little bit on

me on some of those practice, those doctors

that have been able to recognize that

what your work is doing

and that, you know, our nervous system, our immune system,

our hormonal system, especially for a female, is very,

very complex and complicated.

Um, that, you know, it's not just A-S-S-R-I deficiency,

which is the problem here.

It's a lot more, it's a lot more important than that.

And it's, and it deserves, it deserves to be listened

to rather than a five, 10 minute medical consultation.

Absolutely. And you know, that

serotonin model, it was never proven.

It is a theory and it's not really, it's,

it's not the doctor's fault.

It's what, you know, I did 11 years of university, I went

to medical school, then dental school,

we are not taught this thing, this stuff.

It's, it's crazy that we're not taught

about the subconscious mind

and how the subconscious mind affects the nervous system

and how that then affects your physiology

because this is actually root cause medicine.

It's crazy. Yeah. Um, it's not their fault.

But, um, I come across a lot of doctors in my work

because there, just by mere nature of them being the carers

of society, the empaths of society, they're more susceptible

to picking up these limiting beliefs,

these trauma imprints in childhood.

And then they come to me for help to transform the,

the PMDD or the depression.

Um, and then they, they love it so much they then go on to,

to study it because they want

to help their patients at the root cause

because they know that they're going to keep seeing them

and have to keep prescribing more and more drugs.

Yeah. And it must be very challenging when you have, um,

a patient coming in for you coming in for let's say 10 years

with the same condition

and you're just bouncing from drug to drug.

We had an ama we had, uh,

Michelle Tinger on the show a couple, uh, a couple

of weeks ago, and she, um, she was di diagnosed

with bipolar disorder and,

and it, she was working with her doctor

for I think 10 years.

And he finally came to the conclusion that

what they were doing with just cocktails of pharmaceuticals

and adding other, other drugs to

counteract the side effects from these other ones,

he was just real realized that this,

this clearly isn't working.

And, you know, he obviously made an oath at the beginning

of his, beginning of his practice to, you know, help people

and, and, and do, do no harm.

And he did a little bit more research in regards

to using alternative methods.

He ended up using, um, recommending

that using micronutrients

and good quality supplementation to, to begin the process

of actually healing the brain properly rather than,

you know, flooding the body with these,

with these very foreign chemicals

that the body doesn't really know what to do

with it stores them up in fat

and, you know, it can be debilitating for, for decades.

And yeah, just as you're talking there about

those practitioners, those doctors

who I believe are the majority of them really,

really wanna support and help people.

But yeah, they are indoctrinated into an ideology

that there's only one pathway

and, um, it can be very, very challenging for a patient

to be able to do anything else other with their health

because yeah, like we play doctors

and nurses when we're kids.

That's what happens when we get sick.

And then once we get into the real world, we get sick

and we go to the doctor and we get this prescription on this

piece of paper and we get this pill

and that's going to like heal us.

Right. And I think a lot of people actually still like

believe that that's, that's kinda like the way it goes.

And that's the only option I guess in many countries.

It's very challenging to, um, even fund a,

an alternative option.

And you are kind of paying for a second tier

of healthcare when you're looking

to maybe go see a hypnotherapist or perhaps a chiropractor

or a nutritionist or these other amazing practitioners

that we have available to us.

It's not, I can't remember playing a TCM doctor

and acupuncturist when I was a kid,

but maybe I should start playing that with my kids.

I know, right? We've gotta be careful what we're,

what we're programming into our children, like you said,

you know, oh, go to the doctor, they're going

to give you a medicine and this is going to fix you.

I'm very careful about that with my children, um,

because yeah, we were programmed that way

and there is still this, um, you know, they,

people put doctors on pedestals

and Oh, you've gotta go to the doctor

and what, what the doctor says goes, you know,

like in the days where airline, airline pilots with the gods

of the sky, it's not like that anymore.

Um, but you know, the doctors still kind of

have that mm-Hmm.

Um, yeah, I heard that, that episode with Michelle

and she was very fortunate to find a doctor that really,

really, you know, was able to explore, uh,

the root cause Yeah. And help her.

Yeah. And just being able to put his ego aside

and to actually have a human connection with Michelle.

'cause they, they, they developed a relationship.

She was obviously clearly way more than just

a patient at that point.

And, um, yeah, it's just remarkable that he was able

to like, take a look at the research that we we've done

with, with our products here,

and was able to help facilitate that.

And once her doctor had kind of given her the permission

or the green light to do something like that,

it gave her the permission to try something else, I think.

Which, um, again, as its own challenge, as a, as a doctor,

you know, that kind of, that that, um, that white lab coat

that doctor pedestal thing you're talking about.

Yeah. It's, it's a big challenge for a lot of people to

think outside of that very narrow box.

But it's not that long ago where we had like medicine men,

medicine women be part of our community, part of our tribe.

That's who you would go to at one person in the household

where there would usually be three,

maybe even four generations of individual

that that'd be one person you'd go to for home remedies

that was likely growing in the garden.

And then that would be, you know, that would be part

of the teachings, that'd be part of the schooling within,

within the community in the home.

And it's not that long ago that we're all doing that,

but it just seemed to just been absolutely washed away in

something that you might capture in a movie

or a TV show that was based 200 years ago.

Like, that's the only time you might actually

see these things anymore.

And it'ss really, really sad when you think about it.

Yeah. I think it's, I think it's coming back, isn't it?

I think people are waking up, they're realizing

that they have the wisdom within them to heal

and, um, you know, the, the diet is, is a,

is just the first thing that you have to look at.

You know, because that's trauma to the body.

You are wounding the trauma is the Greek word for wound.

You are wounding the body.

We are devolving with our diets, even

with the way we breathe as a species, we're devolving.

So those are the basic things that, you know,

you've gotta look at and then get curious.

Well, you know, I've acquired 95% of my beliefs

before I was seven years old.

Wow. That's

before I even had a rational conscious, critical mind formed

to filter anything out.

I absorbed beliefs about myself

and about the world that I live in that aren't even mine.

Mm-Hmm. Uh, we're updating the software on our computers

and our phones, you know, numerous times a year,

but we don't think to update the software, um,

that we are running on.

And it's like, come on guys. We only live once.

Life is short. Life is going really fast, much faster

and faster all the time, and we want more from life.

Well, if you want more from life

and we all have this burning desire to expand

and evolve, then you've gotta change the blueprint

because everything you're experiencing is,

is the manifestation of the blueprint

that you carry from childhood.

Beautiful. Well said.

Um, I'd like to back things up a little bit

and I'd like to know a little bit more

what a transformational hypnotherapist is

because I've had, we've had hypnotherapist on the show

before, which has been, um, amazing and eyeopening.

And for some reason it's all over my TikTok as well.

So it's like, it's clearly

something that's very, very popular.

It's a lot of people out there doing it.

But there's a traditional idea when I, when I,

when I think hypnotists, I think of cruise ships

and I think of people, you know, being, um,

told to bark like dogs.

But from what I understand now, it's very,

very different from that.

But can maybe you can tell us a little bit more like what,

what traditional transformational hypnotherapy is?

Yeah. And that's a bit of a problem for me

because we grew up

with stage hypnotists making us cluck like chickens

and bark like a dog.

So people think, oh, I'm going to be out of control.

Um, and it's, you are, you are not actually,

you are having this inward focus.

You are actually more in control

and you are able to just relax the conscious mind

and access the subconscious mind.

So, you know, you are in and out of hypnosis every day.

It's, you know, two of your brain states.

They're just slower frequencies.

Um, and it just means that you are more suggestible

and that you can access memories that you might not be able

to with your conscious mind.

Often people do,

because we regress back at the beginning of the session.

We regress back, we ask the subconscious mind

to show us scenes memories, the earliest memories, all

to do with this feeling, the absolute root cause and reason.

And then we do this three or four times.

And in each of those scenes,

then I extract the beliefs of the child.

'cause actually what all that matters is the feeling

of the child in these scenes.

And so then we get very clear set of beliefs

and there'll be the same beliefs coming up in each scene

just to really show you, your subconscious mind knows

what the issue is here.

And then we do a load of inner child work

and we use another toolkit of reframing tools.

We do parts therapy in there

because, you know, the depression is a part,

the anxiety's a part, the anger is a part.

It's not you, it's a protector part.

It's doing a job for you

because you as a child at some point have,

have decided, concluded that this is going to protect you

or your nervous system has unconsciously decided

that this is protecting you.

And so we upgrade the child and we do the parts work.

And so transformational hypnotherapy,

how I would describe it, is root cause resolution.

You are going back

to the absolute root cause the imprint on your nervous

system or your subconscious mind.

And you are,

the really important bit about it is the reframing.

Well, those are beliefs of a helpless

dependent child.

That's, that could never be true that, that I'm bad

because I cleaned the windows for my mom

with kitchen roll after she just had them

professionally cleaned.

And she came in and shouted at me, I'm bad and I'm wrong,

and there's something seriously wrong with me.

That could never be true.

And so we do this whole upgrade

and they see very clearly that that can,

that was a misperception that could never happen again.

And so then come, it's a two hour session, so, you know,

but first you've gotta uproot these malignant beliefs.

You've got to pinpoint them and you've got to uproot them

and reframe the truth about you because they're lies.

And then we do the, at the end of the session,

we do this transformation, which is 15 minutes

of me giving you the new opposite empowering beliefs in

this hypnotic state.

And then you go away with this recording of those beliefs

with binaural beats.

And you will listen to that every day

for 21 days when you go to bed,

to really cement those new neur pathways

because the mind learns in two ways, by repetition

and by in via hypnosis.

So we come at it from both angles.

Can you tell me a little bit more about these bin

Ora beats on what they do?

Yeah, so they just help you go into the slower

brain frequency.

So we just put that on as the background music

while you're listening to the new

empowering truths about you.

Amazing. And what do you see in regards to progress or,

or recovery within people?

Is there a typical type of individual that comes in with,

let's say, debilitating anxiety or depression

and then, you know, you are, you are working with them,

you have this, is this two, two hour session like the,

this initial session

that you would have that you would record?

So my program is eight weeks long,

and in those eight weeks, there are two rapid

transformational hypnotherapy sessions

because they need to be three

or four weeks apart in order to integrate each session.

Um, so we start off with an hour's coaching call,

and then the next day

or two days later, we go into the first transformational,

uh, hypnotherapy session.

I tend to start with a freeze response symptom

because I first want to,

or first want to get them outta freeze response.

Um, and so with depression

after a a day, you know, they'll wake up the next day

after the RTT session

and they will already just feel like it's gone.

It's just gone. The understanding is there,

understanding is power.

They're just free. They're lighter,

they wake up feeling full of self-love

and just lighter is what they say.

And then of course they're cementing the new beliefs

throughout those next three weeks.

And then in those three weeks we have another call

and we talk about what's left,

because you can't really know what you are going to work on

for the second month

because that might have been cleared with the first session

because those beliefs will clear a load of stuff.

But what tends to be left is maybe a fight

or flight response symptom, like anger or anxiety.

And so then for the last half

of the program, we'll work on that.

But at the same time, they're learning metacognitive

psychology, learning to get in control of their thoughts,

learning that they are not their thoughts

and they actually have choice over them.

Because after three minutes of thinking about something,

you start to have a physiological reaction in your body.

Things start to change.

You know, stress responses come, um,

because the body's incredibly intelligent.

It's adapting all the time to

what it needs, what it doesn't need.

Downregulating genes, upregulating genes, you know,

more hormones interrupting this, that and the other.

It's, you know, so the body is hugely, i i is

so intelligent.

Mm-Hmm. Um, and we're just adapting all the

time to our environment.

Beautifully said. Yeah.

I think once we're able to, I think one of people

recognize a little bit of, just a little bit of education

or when they actually experience a session like you're

describing, once they're able to step outside

of a constant sympathetic stress response,

whether they think they're in stress, think they're stressed

or not, and they're able to actually, um,

step into that rest

and digest stage, I feel like a lot

of people actually getting out of the,

getting out of the way of the body.

'cause it's constantly trying to heal us.

It's constantly trying to make us

feel amazing in my opinion.

But once we were able to actually step out of

that stress response for a long period of time,

we're actually allowing our body to clean up

and allowing it to do all those amazing things

that it, that it should do.

It's able to actually take the nutrients from our food,

take the nutrients from our nutrition to get it

to the places where it needs to go in order to heal.

Because it's almost impossible for us

to digest our food correctly when all of our blood

and resources are out to our, out to our limbs that

'cause we think that we're constantly

trying to fight a bear, you know?

Exactly. So, yeah.

Would, so would you agree in regards to like a lot

of your work or some of your work is

helping people get out of their own way

to allow their body to do its thing?

Absolutely. Because you have all the innate wisdom.

You've just adapted to, uh, you know, a situation.

It's like in, just look at a plant, the intelligence

of a plant when it's lacking a nutrient

and it's leaves will go yellow in order to survive.

Mm-Hmm. Well that's intelligence and that's in a plant.

And we have such incredible intelligence within us to heal

and our body wants us to, to heal.

That's why it's ringing these alarm bells,

giving you the symptoms, you know,

and then we've gotta get curious,

rather than handing our power away to a doctor who's going

to give us a pharmaceutical that's going

to cause more issues for us.

Mm-Hmm. We've gotta get curious with the root cause

and start resolving it.

Because like you said,

we can't conceive when we're in a stress response.

You know? And I also work with the root cause of infertility

because you, you've programmed yourself, you know,

some women have actually programmed themselves

very early on, oh God,

my dad would kill me if I get pregnant.

You know, and that's still there running all those

physiological processes

that are actually then gonna make it very difficult

for them to conceive.

And like you say, the nutrients

and the blood can't go to the intestines

or go to the sex organs when you are in

the chronic stress response.

And we've normalized this as a society, actually

they want more, want us to be more and more

and more in these states

so they can control us. I believe so,

Yeah. I'm right with, I'm

right with you on that.

And yeah, I, I've, I've got so many, um, examples of stories

of people trying to get pregnant

and they're like so regimented about it

and three, four years they can't get pregnant.

And then once they kind of not give up

but chill out about it and it's less stressful,

like it happens like immediately

and it's just, yeah, you can't not look at that thing,

not look at that and then realize what we are thinking,

feeling and doing is having a massive impact on our

internal state Mm-Hmm.

And how that's gonna have a huge impact on kind

of everything that we have going on in our lives.

And just one more thing before we kind of move on here.

I just, what, just from what you were saying in regards to,

um, the sympathetic and

and parasympathetic nervous system, we find so many people

who have had chronic anxiety, chronic depression,

P-T-S-D-A-D-H-D, all of these very, very common things

that these individuals have been so stressed out internally.

Their body is fighting constantly

that it's in a massive state of lack.

It's in a massive state of deficiency.

And that's on the level of minerals, on vitamins,

antioxidants, all these vital things that we need to do.

So many different things for us.

And then once they're able to actually take a product

that can actually begin to deal with that deficiency,

regardless of your stress state, people very quickly start

to feel very different.

And then they're able to step into a world

where their depression

or their anxiety isn't gonna be

there for the rest of their life.

And they dread waking up every morning.

And it's just, we, yeah.

We just see some remarkable things happen

with actual proper nutrition that gives people

that foundation to go on ahead

and start thinking about maybe going for a hike, going

for a walk, going, doing some yoga

or connect reconnecting with their community.

And that's just the, the beginning stages of kind

of all healing processes, I think is getting your body,

the nutrition it needs, reducing the amount of stress

that you're experiencing,

and certainly getting to the root cause of a lot of

that subconscious, um, childhood stuff

that you were talking about as well, which is like

so rampant in everybody because we all try

and parent the best possible way

that we can, I think anyway.

And, um, it's funny

'cause there's always parent books that come out

and there's a new generation of parenting.

There's a helicopter parenting, there's the,

the the war type parenting that my grandparents did

to my parents, which I kind of got a little bit of as well.

Mm-Hmm. And then I'm trying to do my own thing

and it's like nobody's perfect.

And I feel like most people are

just trying to do their best.

But we have to recognize as parents, as ad, as adults,

as carers, there's a huge responsibility in regards to like,

what we allow our children to experience is going

to program them for the rest of their lives.

And if we are not creating like a, a, a flexible, um,

let's say calm individual, then we're just, yeah.

We're just creating crazy, wild stress balls.

Yeah. And I always say the greatest gift you can give your

kids is doing this work, right?

Mm-Hmm. Because we're all doing our best.

Nobody wakes up and says, today I am gonna mess up my kid.

But then, you know, a lot of women that start this work

with me when they understand this in a child work

because they're doing it

and they've reparented themselves, they then go, oh my god,

my kids, I'm worried about my kids because I was raging,

because I was this, because,

you know, and it's like, mm-hmm.

You know, this is their journey too,

and you can't, you know, like it is what it is.

You are giving them the greatest gift you could ever give

them now by transforming this

and you're gonna pass that onto them now.

Um, and it just, you know, we are doing the best we can.

I'm a single mom of three young kids.

I'm doing the best I can.

Nobody, you know, but we are not perfect.

We're humans and we're, we all have limiting beliefs as part

of the human phenomenon.

All we can do is keep transforming them.

And as women, our hormones will show us in the form of these

symptoms every month Mm-Hmm.

Here's what needs transforming.

Um, and we have all the wisdom within us, the innate wisdom

to transform it.

And just, we're here to evolve. Gotta keep growing.

That's right. How old are your kids

and what are the more common ways in which you

introduce this work to them?

My kids are seven, eight, and nine. Crazy.

Wild, wild.

Um, it's funny

because they feed stuff back to me and I'm like, Ooh.

They're like mini therapists, these kids.

Um, and sometimes I hear one, you know, one of them will,

will start coaching the other one start saying, well,

why don't you choose a different thing to think something

that will make you feel happier?

Mm-Hmm. Because you don't need to think that.

Beautiful. Yeah.

Yeah. That's wonderful. Yeah.

And I'm sure they're teaching you so much in regards to how

a seven, eight, 9-year-old brain thinks.

And I guess you're obviously working with a lot of adults

who a lot of their traumas would've happened

when they're at those young ages.

So that must be a wonderful insight.

Yeah, totally. And you know,

I guess we're becoming the parents that we needed at the end

of the day, you know, like I healed my stuff.

And actually the reason I do what I do was

through a huge epiphany

that I had when I was left heartbroken

because their father left me when I was pregnant with,

with my third, um, he ran off

with a girl from work half his age, which is lovely.

But I was heartbroken for months, clearly.

And I just remember sitting on my green velvet sofa

and looking at my two boys.

There were two and one, and I was pregnant.

And these thoughts going through my head, um,

and I was just thinking, what will become of my life now?

Like, who's gonna want me with three babies? What will I do?

And in that moment, I could see this crossroads.

I could see like, you carry on thinking that,

and they're going to be a victim of that way of thinking.

They're gonna pick up beliefs about themselves.

They're gonna feel like a burden to your happiness.

So how about you choose to believe

that amazing things are coming to you?

And that they're a great package. We are a great package.

And I could see that it was just going to transform the,

it was two different trajectories,

and I could see the effect on their

belief system either way.

And I was like, you know, I was so low in myself,

I couldn't do it for me, but

I was like, I'm doing this for them.

And I went on this, I went down a rabbit hole

of personal growth and really like, you know,

studying the laws of the universe

and learning about the subconscious mind.

And it was then that I saw an advert

with Marissa Pier talking about

rapid transformational therapy.

And I was like, oh my God, this is

what I should have always been doing.

Like 11 years of university out the window.

This is what I want, this is what I'm here for, this is

what I should have always been doing.

And so I did the training

and I just jumped in with both feet.

I was so passionate because it was like I'd actually found

the tools that I needed to help people, free them from pain.

Um, and I just, ugh. I, I love what I do. I really do.

And it's given us such a great life.

Yeah. It's amazing that your kids were able to, you know,

really help you choose that different alternative direction.

And yeah, Michelle spoke about how, you know, she, she,

she was planning on k killing herself every like,

for many, many days.

And it was her kids

and in regards to like what her kids would turn out to be

or what she thought they would turn out

to be without her as a mom.

And that was what motivated her, motivated her to kind

of stay alive and stay with them.

And yeah, once we can start thinking outside the box there

and start thinking about, start thinking about our children,

who they are and what they can be,

it's really quite remarkable what what we can achieve.

And yeah.

You were, you, you said something awesome there in regards

to where this thought might take you.

Mm-Hmm. And I think that's huge to think, like you could sit

with a particular thought that you might not like

and think, oh my God, what if I let this grow

for five years or 10 years?

How foul and gross and despicable is that thought gonna be,

and what's that gonna lead me to becoming?

Yeah. And I think nine times outta 10,

you could probably actually even draw what

that might look like and it wouldn't look pretty.

So yeah, I think that's a very interesting practice

that I might, I might steal

that one if you don't mind. Well,

It actually triggered my own childhood belief actually,

because I'd grown up with, with a very young mother

who I would hear, or I had heard,

or I'd interpreted, let's say as a child that I was a birth.

I think I'd heard something like, who's gonna want me

with two children as she was in a early twenties,

you know, like she was doing her best.

But it was like, I really took that on as a sensitive child.

Um, oh my goodness.

If I wasn't here then she'd be, then she'd be happy.

You know? So this thought that went through my head

actually triggered my own childhood issues.

And I was like, no,

you are not doing the same thing to them.

Like, you are gonna be the cycle breaker.

And, and that's what I'm all about is inspiring women

to become, and men

to become the cycle breakers of their family.

'cause often when I work with the women that I work with,

the premenstrual stuff, the husbands come along

and say, I want a bit of what she's had.

Like, I want some too.

Do you think, um, just on that, on that topic

of like having children young, I,

it's got three people in my mind right now who I know, um,

that their mothers had them when they were like 19, 20, 21.

And I feel like in some of the, some of the cases,

there's a lot of blame on the parents

in regards to how they are now as adults.

Um, when you work with adults who kind of have

that issue, would you,

'cause obviously the power is

with the individual who's experiencing those,

whether they wanna get through or not, but like once you,

'cause I think a blame, a blame is a very, you know,

it's an external thing.

You know, we're putting that energy out of us

to actually something that's not technically there

anymore because it's in the past.

But like, how would you go about like allowing somebody,

somebody to maybe understand that that's an internal thing

that you have within yourself,

and that you can actually go back

and work with that in a child and heal it?

Mm. Yeah. And so I always say it's not your fault

what happened, but it is your responsibility, right?

Because our parents, well they,

I was gonna say our parents are doing their best

and we are all doing our best.

Um, but they were, they also had their issues.

They also were maybe emotionally unavailable

because they were anxious or depressed

or they were alcoholics.

Um, there is a spectrum, you know, some people were,

because there's two types of trauma.

There's what happened to you

and shouldn't have happened to you,

and then there's what should have happened to you

and you didn't get, um,

so when I say we're all doing our best, I'm talking about

what you didn't get, you weren't attuned to.

Um, and the child needs to be attuned to and be understood

because they can't move through their emotions on their own.

And so most of us experienced that type of trauma. Mm-Hmm.

Um, so in that respect, I would say, you know,

they were doing their best

and it's, you know, it's not your fault

and now it's your responsibility

because you are running, you are walking around

with programs of helpless dependent child,

and that's not you anymore.

You are an autonomous self validating.

You, validate you, you don't depend on your parents

to validate you anymore.

But because you weren't validated back then,

which we go into like this portal and hypnosis

and do all of that work so

that you are not needing validation from others

anymore actually.

So you, you get to go in and resolve that

and then the forgiveness can happen because you've gone in

and done this resolution within you

and met the needs of that child.

Those needs weren't met.

That's why it was all still active in your body.

You've resolved it and so you can let go.

And that's forgiveness, I think when you can let go

because you no longer need them to validate

or acknowledge anything.

'cause you do that for you.

I love it. It's great stuff. I think. Yeah.

I, I was just thinking about when we're talking about

pharmaceuticals and, and, and drugs

and how there's a bunch of reasons why

that's the way that most people go.

But it's also, I think for a lot of people, they seek, um,

reassurance and they seek calm in something

that they can experience with their senses.

You know, whether that's a drug they can physically see,

something that they can eat, something that they can drink,

you know, these, these things that, that people believe

that they have more control over.

But when we're talking, when we're talking about like the

nervous system or the hormonal system,

or the immune system, obviously those things are there,

but if we can't physically see them, it's, it's very,

very challenging for a lot of people

to kind of put themselves there.

Like, I, I have a conversation about like frequency

and energy with people and, and,

and how, you know, the energy

of an individual can either bring you up or bring you down

and that because they can't see what's happening, it's hard

for people to really experience it.

But then I talk to 'em about like, do you know

how like sunlight works

or like how sound works in your ears?

So it, people can get, people can certainly get there.

But my point was that it can be very challenging for a lot

of people to do this inner work

because it's not something you can see like results.

It's not like you're on a pelo peloton machine

and then you can see the physical results of like

how well you did against last week.

Like we, we love that type of data.

'cause it's immediately, immediately validating.

But doing this type of internal work is challenging.

It's difficult. Um,

but it's quite clearly something that's there.

You know, like a hormone is a physical thing

just 'cause you can't see it.

It's, or feel it doing its thing.

It doesn't doesn't mean it's not there.

So yeah, I think there's a, a lot of work we need

to do in regards to like educating individuals about the

power of being able to like put your energy

and your frequency back inside of yourself

and recognizing that these are, you know, these, the, these,

these traumas, these things that we have within us

that may have happened 10, 20, 30 years ago.

They're accessible.

They're accessible, and we can, we can get there

and we can choose a different direction.

Yeah. And you know, Simon, I think the,

the real problem is the limiting beliefs themselves

that hold them back, keeps them disempowered from actually

transforming and stepping up.

Because most people that I work with have this belief,

yeah, but I'm different.

It wouldn't work for me. There's something wrong with me.

And so it's the limiting beliefs themselves

that keeps them disempowered.

I mean, we, you know, we live in a disempowered society

and so it's just helping people see their innate

wisdom and see that they have the power

to, you know, take action.

Once they've done the session, they get it.

They just get it. They're like blown away.

But you, like you say, it's intangible before Mm-Hmm.

You made the commitment to yourself to go and do this.

Um, but you know, the, the testimonials are there

and people that do it, they'll say, I'd pay

that 10 times over again to do that.

Yeah. It's Been a complete rebirth.

Absolutely. I remember I actually did a hypnosis in,

in the, in London when I was studying,

beginning to study nutrition.

I was on a semester break.

I came back to the UK and I had to travel

so far to find a hypnotist.

This was probably nine years ago, but it was a very, very,

and I, and I had those cruise ship ideas in my mind,

but it was, it was just an amazing session.

I was basically, I sat down and,

and this individual talked me through, we had a,

we had obviously had a conversation beforehand about like,

who I was and what I wanted to achieve

and all of these things.

And that was wonderful just to actually have that time to,

to talk about that

and have that external dialogue, which I, I do know.

But to like bring it up to the present was really,

really important for me.

And then being put into this, this really,

really wonderful state.

I mean, I'm not sure what brain, what's the,

what is it filter or, or,

or, um, uh, alpha that you go into,

I guess alpha. Yeah. And you

know, theater now

that you say it is the brain state of children under seven.

So children under seven are actually in hypnosis.

They just interesting. That's how they learn so quickly.

They're just absorbing everything. So yeah. Very cool.

It's two of our, of our far four

or five brain states actually.

Yeah. So I was put, put into this incredible state,

and then I just remember after the session,

which I think was about an hour

and a half, just felt amazing.

Just felt great. And, um, I felt, yeah,

I certainly felt like lightened and fluid and flexible

and yeah, that was one of my, that was my first experience

with, with hypnosis.

And I just wanted to ask you, what do you, um,

why do you think we're seeing this amazing rise

of practitioners such as yourself? Like now?

Mm, there is a huge rise,

but I think that that's a reflection of the, the awakening

that's occurring in our society

and people realizing that maybe the traditional

medicine is just giving them, you know,

it's attenuating symptoms,

but, you know, it is just not, it's not cutting it for them.

You know, like I have a lot of women

that maybe they're on SSRIs,

but they don't like the side effects

because, you know, they lose their sex drive

and all the, they're just numbed out.

And so that's one reason in itself to go

and actually get to the subconscious root cause of it.

Um, and, you know, it's a, it is a,

a mind body spirit connection.

And it's actually getting into the body, resolving the stuff

that has been activating your nervous system, chronically,

creating these diseases, not allowing you

to absorb the nutrition that you need to be getting.

Um, it's, people are waking up

and I think they're getting curious about,

they're learning more, they're reading more,

they're understanding themselves more,

and they actually desire more from life.

Mm-Hmm. They want more.

They feel that there must be more to life

and they're getting curious about these ways of doing it.

Beautiful. Yeah. I think we've had for a long time, people

recognize the body element of, of what it's,

what's important to be like healthy

physiologically and psychologically.

So people, you know, they, they bike

and they, they run and they do all these things.

And then the minds, I think that's been given a lot

of attention as well in regards to like what people can do

to, to, to strengthen, to educate, educate themselves and,

and expand that potential.

But it's the spirit. I think it's the spirit thing

that holds a lot of people back.

And I've noticed, um, going to, going to church

with my kids over the past, um, well, my family,

I guess over the past few months that more

and more younger families are coming in, coming into church.

And I think it's for a sense of that spiritual aspect,

something that's outside of them, something that's larger

that we can kind of like give ourselves up to,

to this very positive community, this very positive energy.

And I think it's that spiritual piece

that's been difficult for a lot of people.

Again, it's something you can't like physically see.

It's, it's challenging.

You know, I can, I can go to the gym and get bigger muscles

and see that I can do some brain training

and be a little bit smarter with my memory.

Like, that's great. But like

that spiritual aspect is

very challenging for a lot of people.

Do have you, have you experienced that?

Yeah. And I often say to people when I meet them initially

before they invest in my program, I'll say,

I ask if they're spiritual

because I say, you know, it's, it's, it's an element of

what we do because, you know,

we're doing in a child work source

to a child is their parent

and their parent maybe failed them, right?

But now you are anxious, you've got a choice.

So whether to believe there's this higher power

that is supporting you, that everything is coming

to serve you and work with it and co-create with it, um,

because this is really important for your nervous system

to feel safe

because it's replacing basically that parent

of the inner child now as the empowered adult,

there's this connection to source that is really important

and in the work,

because lack of self-trust is a big thing that a lot

of children lose, right?

Because, you know, chil parents will come along,

like the cleaning the window thing, the, um,

example I gave you.

Here I am five years old, cleaning the windows for mom,

thinking I'm doing a good job.

And she comes in and she shouts at me

because she's saying that she had them

professionally cleaned yesterday.

I must never trust myself again.

And so we shut off from our intuition,

we stop trusting ourselves, we second guess ourselves.

So it's like the splintering of self.

So the work is reconnection to your intuition

and strengthening that connection to source.

So, because it, it gives you safety in your nervous system

to have that connection.

Um, and it's a choice, isn't it?

You can either believe that you are alone and disconnected,

or you can believe in oneness.

Mm-Hmm. And you know, you've got a choice.

Yeah. And when we have those types of experiences

as children, even though they might seem minor,

but you, you, you add those up, they end up, you know,

becoming a very important part of us.

And then you add the fact that, you know, kids go into

a school system where they're sat for kind of seven,

eight hours looking forward at the person in charge.

And there are, there's only one

answer to all these questions.

And, uh, you can't look at the back

of the book because that's cheating.

Even though, you know, when you get older

and you would have a question

and you would collaborate with other human beings to come

to a result or another one that you might trial.

Like, yeah, it's very, it's very easy to understand

how imagination, creativity, um, and even motivation

and like luster would disappear under those circumstances.

Um, and there's so much that we can do, especially

as parents, as role models to help

help us facilitate these incredible human beings

that we have that can teach us

so much if we just like let them.

Um, and I think a lot of what we've discussed today, a lot

of the, the work that you do allows individuals

to become incredible parents.

And hopefully we can, we can have an army

of practitioners coming out there teaching parents

who can teach their kids to raise them,

to actually have this skillset as an innate part

of their human physiological experience, rather than having

to learn it when they're 40, when they've gone

through all these crazy things.

Um, I think we create, we're gonna create a new generation

of, of highly attuned, um,

individuals. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

I'm really excited for our children's generation.

I really am. Um,

because I always say, you know, what I teach should be,

you know, the mindfulness that I teach and the,

and the metacognitive psychology

and the polyvagal work that I teach,

this should be taught in schools.

Come on. This is how we function.

Like, just understanding your organism is so powerful.

So I'm really excited for our children's generation and,

and like what you said about the te

you know, there's only one answer.

Well, that makes me even more proud

that my children at a Waldorf school,

because they start from the whole

and then, you know, work out how many ways you can get there

to, you know, many different ways.

Yeah. That's perfect. That's beautiful.

Um, just to kind of finish off,

I know you are nine hours ahead of me in Spain, so I, I'm,

I'm aware you've probably got some caramel malt tea there

while I'm sipping my coffee, but, um, I don't want

to keep you too long, but this is just great stuff.

I was just gonna finish up with a question in regards

to like, what can people do kind of like right now

to take a little bit more ownership

and get closer towards that freedom of the kind

of trapped, contained self?

Yeah, so the first thing is realize, just realizing

that you are not your thoughts.

I mean, you're not even your body.

You have a body, you are a spirit,

and you are certainly not your thoughts.

Your thoughts are popping off from your subconscious mind,

70,000 of them every day.

And we are so identified by them.

So just having like a little gatekeeper in your mind

and just being the observer of your thoughts

and being able to be objective

and go, wasn't that interesting how I just spoke to myself?

And realize that it's time to start speaking to yourself.

Like you're, like, you're nurturing a newborn baby.

Um, just notice. And you're like, you knock something over

and you start swearing at yourself.

Just start speaking

to yourself like you would a little child.

Be really soft and gentle

and start questioning what,

when you are in an emotional state,

what story am I telling myself here?

You know, I, for for example, I had a client whose husband,

he cycled back from work

and he, you know, he obviously worked past the hour

that he would normally work

and then he got on his bike and his trying to get home.

But when he got home, she was raging.

Her interpretation of it was that she didn't matter.

She was raging. 'cause it, she took it.

It's like, well what story are you telling yourself?

Like, there's so many different stories

you can tell yourself here.

Um, but that was her childhood wound. I don't matter.

Um, so,

and we always tell ourselves the most painful

story to protect ourselves.

'cause then I'm prepared. This is metacognitive psychology.

So start telling yourself a better story

and asking yourself, well, what story could I tell myself

that would be, that would actually enhance my life,

that would feel expansive.

Beautiful. Yeah. It sounds like, um, it's a recommendation

to step into the present moment.

And there's so many amazing practices to do that.

I remember when I was beginning practicing, um,

subconscious work and, um, work with like Dr.

Joe Dispenza and kind of all

of his amazing stuff was doing like walk Walk.

Yeah. He's, he's amazing. His, uh, like walk meditation.

So I would walk with no musical distraction,

but I would actually describe the things that I was seeing

to stay in the present moment rather than like allowing my

mind to drift off and not be in that wonderful environment.

So there's some amazing options out there for people

to be able to, to begin this work,

to start on their journey.

But yeah, so I really appreciate the recommendation,

Chloe. Thank you so much.

Thank you. And I,

but also just to add to what you were saying,

when you're out walking, just noticing what that is.

To be appreciative of the colors

and the trees, you know, just looking

to appreciate everything.

Mm-Hmm. And that is beautiful.

'cause you know, gratitude is the language of the universe

and so just being present and connected, gorgeous.

Yeah, there's a lot of beauty around us

and it can be very, uh, easy for a lot

of people to kind of forget that.

But we've got access to just so much beauty around us

and we can choose it.

You know, we can choose how we interpretate that.

Um, amazing. Chloe, well can you just let us know

how people can connect

with you if they wanna learn more about what you do?

Absolutely. So you can always go to my website.

There's loads of resources on there, loads

of information about your cycle that's

www dot wounds into wings, um,

or chloe jimenez peters.com or wounds into wings.com.

And on there you will find

a masterclass for emotional Freedom.

You'll find an inner child meditation

and you can book a free 15 minute call with me.

Um, if you've got any questions

and you are ready to start this journey with me

and, uh, jump into this eight week program,

which is actually transformative.

And apart from that, you can find me on Instagram,

which I'm sure Simon will have in the show notes.

Chloe Jimenez, Peters my,

my surname's Spanish, so it's tricky.

Um, but Simon will have it in the show notes, I'm sure.

Yeah, I'll make it easy for everybody to be able

to just click on that link

and connect with you there, Chloe.

But again, thank you so much

for coming on the show. It's been wonderful. Thanks.

Thank you. Beautiful.

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