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Happ back to the show how are you what is going well uh I love your positive invitation

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to talk about what's going well thank you son uh thank you for having me on the interview um life is going pretty

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well it's busier than I expected because I've been retired for uh seven and a

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half years since 2016 but when Julie and I published our book we had no idea that

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that would result in so much interest and it's kept us very busy indeed but

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that's good that's how we hope to change the world absolutely and we're going to talk

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about the book in depth during the interview and um yeah I've read it I've read it myself a couple of times and

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it's a wonderful read so we'll make sure that people learn a lot more about it and Inspire them to get the book

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themselves um we had you on the show on episode 11 which was many many shows ago

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I'd say two and a half years ago now and we discussed micronutrients and mental illness and I'm going to leave a link in

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the show notes with people if they want to connect and and listen to that show but before we before we jump going

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forward for the those who don't know who you are or know what you do would you mind giving us a little bit of an introduction please all right I am a

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semi-retired uh Professor from the University of Calgary I was in the faculty of medicine and my role was

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mostly uh clinical research um my back background is in experimental and biological psychology

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with postd doal training in neuroscience and so I was interested in the

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biological basis of behavior and if you're interested in the biological basis of behavior Simon you have to

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learn something about nutrients and so that's that's how I got into this whole

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field amazing and you wrote this book right here there's a copy behind you I've got a copy here the better and you

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wrote this book with uh Dr Julia rocklage in 2021 is that right correct

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it came out in April 2021 and she I believe that you've been working with Julia for a long period of

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time a lot of research papers between the two of you um can you tell us a little bit about that relationship and

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you know why why you guys decided to write this book together and who who is it for okay there are several questions

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buried in there but I'll attack them all so Julia is uh originally Canadian from

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Ontario and she came out to Alberta to do her M's in PhD under my supervision

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but I was not studying nutrition at that time I had studied it previously I'd

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gotten frankly very discouraged about my ability to study nutrition uh she was studying ADHD which

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um and then she went on to do a a post doal fellowship at sick kids hospital in

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Toronto and then f Adventure she and her Alberta husband her husband from Alberta

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moved to H University of Canterbury in Christ chur New Zealand and that Adventure has extended now for I guess

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almost 20 years so she's my former PhD student but when she had me come out to

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New Zealand for a visiting Fellowship in 2003 I presented our preliminary data on

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broadspectrum micronutrient formulas and particular Empower made by uh true hope

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and told her Julia I think this is real and I think I'm going to keep studying it and you have to

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too she said she was too busy to do that but she would look into it and I think

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her first paper was published in 2008 and then I gradually moved toward

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retirement and Julia now has the probably the most active research program in the world on broadspectrum

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micronutrient treatment of mental disorders but we've continued to write together now you asked me one other

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question buried in there um and that is why did we write the book and I tell

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everyone we wrote that book in part out of frustration because we were publishing

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all of our work hers and mine in mainstream medical journals and yet we

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were not seeing any change in practice and we decided it's time to educate the

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general public so that book is not written for our scientific colleagues or our medical colleagues it is written at

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the level for the general public and everyone says it's a good read and they

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follow along with it and begin to understand the central issue which is

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every bite of food that we eat is mostly to feed our brains and we need to be

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become aware of what we eat and sometimes we need to take broadspectrum micronutrients

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too that's very interesting just just as you said that little piece there about the M like everything every bite of food

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that we consume is primarily the nutrition from that food is necessary for the brain I feel like we especially

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my even myself like I would think that most people believe that what we consume is more about like muscle and growth and

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kind of everything below the head so do we how how have we like

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misunderstood how we misunderstood that so badly we've been taught wrong I mean

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when I was a child growing up we ate uh Wonderbread that white bread stuff

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because it built strong bodies eight ways which was baloney I was taught you

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had to eat right so that you'd have strong muscles and bones muscles and

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Bones now I have nothing against having strong muscles and bones and of course

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we want our children to grow but um we are mostly in terms of metam metabolic

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demands on nutrient intake we are mostly feeding our brains and also our hearts

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the two most metabolically active and demanding organs that we

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have very interesting so that should certainly change maybe a little bit about why you might consume food I mean

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there's a huge you know we have we have towards like maybe the end of life or even for a lot of people maybe in their

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60s they're dealing with like dementia and Alzheimer's and things like that and that's quite clearly a a neurological

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brain disorder and I think a lot of people don't necessarily think about

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what's on their plate feeding their brain for their brain health me personally a big reason why I choose to

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eat primarily good quality foods is because I I do not want to lose my mind

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when I'm 70 80 years old you know so I have this motivation now to feed my

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brain and get my brain used to good quality nutrition so it's know it's very very good at using that so it's it's

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interesting that we've been taught very very um we just been taught the wrong to

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guess wrong information in regards like why we consume food I'd like to comment on the cognitive decline or dementia

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story if I may I heard someone say something uh recently um who I think

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would know but I can't as a scientist I I have not seen a source on this they

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said that over 400 medications have been developed for the treatment of dementia

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and every single one of them has failed in clinical trials to show any benefit I

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don't know if that number 400 is correct but we do know that after many years and tons of money we don't have a medication

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to reverse dementia but we do have articles studies in good journals which

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are not being covered by the media which show that you can slow cognitive decline

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with broadspectrum micronutrients and that's a different formula not the one the true hope makes but it's one of the

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Centrum formulas that's very broad spectrum I mean it's similar and that it

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has vitamins and minerals um and there are some studies that started coming out in July about that

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and there are also studies on high do B vitamins B vitamins are very important

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for the brain they're not the only important ones but they're very important um showing reduced cognitive

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decline and reduced brain atrophy in other words less shrinkage in seniors

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with who began with mild cognitive decline and that was a place controlled

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trial done at Oxford University so and that was with um B

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complex compared to Placebo so we know is very important go ahead yeah yeah I

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was just going to say as soon as you're telling me about that there's been you know 400 medications that let's just say

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have failed in regards to the treatment of of Alzheimer's or dementia I guess when they

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are researching and developing and Manufacturing these these drugs or medications they are primarily

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one chemical unit rather than looking at trying to heal a very complex condition

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such as Alzheimer's with a much more broad approach I mean nutrition and supplementation is certainly one aspect

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of that but we you know you can't really get exercise out of a pill you can't get

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community out of a pill you can't get um all the other very important pieces that

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are very important for your mental health even just like playing like like uh like doing puzzle games and using your brain in different ways and keeping

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it like working out so it's very it actually makes no it's no surprise to me that those 400 medications have not been

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very successful because they're they're looking at it from a very reductionist point of view rather than you know the

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treatment for a condition such as Outsider which can you know be building up for 20 30 years for some individuals

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can it has the approach has to be a holistic broadspectrum approach rather

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than this like one kind of sniper shot Silver Bullet right you said that very well I'm

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not going to add wonderful wonderful great that's good um you mentioned that

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during your career you were discouraged from studying nutrition um

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can you tell us a little bit about that it's interesting well I've been discouraged more than once I'll just give you two

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examples I was discouraged in the 1980s when I was I'm not going to go into

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detail but I was pursuing some pardon me some work on nutrition it

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wasn't broadspectrum micronutrients but I ran into families with very fixed

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ideas and I realize it's really hard to study nutrition for a lot of reasons but

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one of which is everybody has an opinion and that hadn't been true of any of my

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earlier work but of course we all eat so we all have opinions about food so that

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was one point and I mentioned it because my husband reminds me that in I think it was 1989 or 1990 I said that's it I'm

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done with nutrition I'm going back to doing I was doing some Behavior genetics Etc I just don't want to study nutrition

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again then I met um uh Tony Stefan and David Hardy who had formed they hadn't

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formed a company yet but they eventually formed true hope and I got sucked in

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again to studying nutrition it sounded so interesting what their observations

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were um and then the discouragement came not from me but from Health Canada they

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said you can't study vitamins and minerals they're too dangerous there's unbelievable ignorance out there about

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what is dangerous and what is not and so they shut down my first um

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really completely randomized Placebo control trial and I wasn't able to study

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uh any broadspectrum formulas again for it was at least four years which really

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uh disrupted my education uh of graduate students I had

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to put them back onto other projects um and it disrupted my career very much so

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they did a lot of harm what was the um what was the research that you were doing that was

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shut that was shut down that was a controlled trial meaning it was randomized Placebo controlled in

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adults not children but adults with bipolar

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disorder and health Canada deemed that the the the products that you were using

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in in that trial were were dangerous and it was a risk to those individuals so they stopped the trial they did and I got a letter from

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the DOR director general of Health Canada saying uh send your already in

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you know patients who are all pardon me Simon it's just very dry here already

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enrolled in um the trial send them back to their psychiatrist they should be put

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back on medication story that's quite alarming

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yeah I mean I don't know if you're aware of this but we know on the true hope Canada website we we had 35

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peer-reviewed Medical journals on there a lot of them a lot of them done by yourself and by Julia but we are not

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allowed to share them with with with the general public anymore we're not allowed to share truthful health information so we have like these big red censored

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signs over the um over each and every journal on our website now so we we're not allowed to share that information

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and a lot of that a lot of those research um a lot of that research was government funded so it's very it's very

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confusing what know Health can are attempting to I guess stop people having

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access to an alternative to Pharmaceuticals I guess correct that is

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definitely what they're doing and unfortunately I'm afraid they're going to

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win and they've been winning in other countries you know I haven't looked at your website in quite a while the red

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sensored thing that is over it does it does it leave open the name of the

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journal and the volume number and no no no everything is everything is spreaded

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out people can't fortunately can't look it up they can certainly go to other websites where it's available in other

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countries that don't quite yet have the auth author authoritarian um regime of Health

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Canada but yeah it's uh it's certainly interesting that you were you were seeing those roadblocks many years ago

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and they seem to just be getting stronger and stronger stronger worse and certainly getting worse yeah we we're

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seeing lots of Bill see we're seeing bills being passed that you know would see potentially the the end of natural

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good quality Natural Health Products in in in this country so we're going to move on from that because that's a big

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big topic of itself and we have amazing interviews with sha Buckley about that so people can certainly check that out

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if they want to I was going to give you his website but no need okay yeah the nha.org is an incredible resour the best

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possible resource if you are concerned about Natural Health Products in Canada and um yeah we've had sha speaking with

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David probably five or six times in the last 12 months to keep people up to dat with what's going on and um they're

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doing incredible work over there as well so um I want to come back to your book

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the better brain here and um you explain in the book that there's a mental health

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crisis and I wanted to ask you a little bit about that crisis and do you think that there is hope to turning it around

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in Canada that say yeah well let me say uh a word or two about the crisis um I

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often hear people say well you know life is so much harder now it's so much more

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stressful that's why more people are being diagnosed and I always say and I I don't remember if I put this in the book

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um my parents and grandparents lived through World War I the flu epidemic of

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uh 1917 World War II the Holocaust the depression the um uh I'm sure I've left

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some things out horrible horrible things I don't think life is more stressful now

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we do have social media that informs us of it more quickly I think what has changed is our resilience our resilience

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is down people don't cope as well they don't um they are less in control of

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their emotions they are less well regulated and we all o have um these the

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diagnostic and statistical manual that gives the categories and the diagnostic criteria for mental disorders I can't

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quote the numbers but it's gone from a skinny little book to a big fat volume because now there are so many different

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disorders and many of them you know they don't really seem like disorders they seem like um being somewhere on the

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Continuum you know everything is on a continuum so for a long time there was a

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big debate in the psychiatric literature is mental illness or our mental

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disorders really increasing or is it just that more people are seeking help and we want them to seek help because

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there is help out there for some of them and um Talk therapy uh cognitive behav

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behavior therapy meditation relaxation exercise why isn't nutrition in that

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list though Simon very few are talking about nutrition um and so now I I don't see

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any of those debates anymore about um is it is it real is the increase real

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everybody seems to accept it's real when over 20% at any given point in time this

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is called Point prevalence 20% of our population has been diagnosed and is

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being treated for a mental disorder and when I was a child it was one or

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less than 1% that's a real change that's World Health Organization data and

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here's the one that is really scary also from the wh and that is Lifetime

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prevalence lifetime prevalence is 50% that means that at some point in

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your life 50% of the people you know or or you or people in your family will be

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diagnosed and treat treated for a mental disorder again that's World Health Organization data and it's it's shocking

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to me yeah I think that there are a lot of

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people struggling out there I completely agree with you in regards to the fact that um we've never had it better like

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human beings have never really had it better in regards to yeah you listed off some important thing my my my my

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grandparents and great grandparents certainly World War I and World War II over in Europe was a pretty horrific

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time and there's nothing really been compared to that you know in recent times so I don't agree in regards to

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like we're living in like more stressful times I think that the internet and social media is absolutely devastating

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our youth I think they're access to um fear and propaganda within the news as

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well it's just this it's just um absolutely wreaking havoc with our nervous system in a way that we have not

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evolved to deal with it so our nervous systems are without question just just all over the place not regulated we have

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a very big disconnect within our brain and with our with our body and yeah we have so many people who are ill people

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who are really struggling but there are some like cheap free easy ways in which

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we're able to actually deal with a lot of issues that people might have whether that's exercise Friendship Community

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Family and you know if we think you know every time I'm every time I'm on the bus or I'm in a coffee shop I kind of like

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observe and and look around and everyone's kind of on their phone on their own on you know in this isolated

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environment even when they have people around them so like I think I think cell phones and social media have

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got a big part to play in the fact that a lot of people are dealing with some you know really serious stuff but we

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don't have government entities explaining a lot of like this is why you might be feeling like this and here are

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some here are some here are some solutions that you know don't don't require a prescription and won't have

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side effects to them so it's yeah it's it's it's a real big shame I think we're being let down significantly by our

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educational institutions being let down by our government institutions and our health institutions as well but there

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are people like you out there who are writing amazing books for not for the um

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not for the medical community but for the everyday individual and this book is a really amazing read and has got a lot

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of things that you can take into your life right away that will have a big impact and I think just the re-education

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around food nutrients and what that does within the body is going to help people

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maybe make better choices when it comes to the food that they choose to consume we're going to talk a little bit later

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about some the foods that some things that we can certainly avoid that's that's going to support our brain health

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but yeah I'd love to help everyday people understand how

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nutrition can affect the body's ability to create all of the amazing things that it creates or these building blocks that

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we need to survive and thrive so I wonder if you could give us a little bit of a foundational understanding of of

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how what we eats affects what our body can actually create sure I love teaching

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this Simon and it's in almost every talk I give and it's in chapter two of the

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book okay with a diagram which our editors weren't sure we should have because it shows a a

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simplified uh piece of the trip F pathway from the brain and they said you know this is for the general public and

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we said they everyone has to learn this very simple concept so metabolism is a

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big technical sounding word but all that it means is the transformation of one compound to another so when you eat

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things get changed from like tryptophan to becoming serotonin which is a

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neurotransmitter and you want those steps to happen well in our phys

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physiology almost all maybe all I'm not absolutely sure it's 100% but almost all

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of those metabolic steps depend upon an enzyme and so we call them enzymatic

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reactions and you don't have to learn the names of any of them to understand the general concept enzymes make a

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compound like let's call it X get transformed to Y but enzymes work best

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if you feed them lots of co-actors and as anyone who's taken a physiology course knows vitamins and

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minerals are the co-actors that's what that's why we consume vitamins and

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minerals that's why we have evolved or how we have evolved to need them they are the co-actors that enable our

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enzymes to do their work in transforming chemical a to chemical B tryptophan the

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serotonin Etc and if you don't have enough of those co-actors on board

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because you haven't eaten a vegetable in a week and you haven't eaten any fruit and you're just eating Ultra processed

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rubbish then you end up with sluggish Pathways and I often say although not in

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formal lectures but I'll say it here in a podcast sometimes I think we should throw out the DSM and have one

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diagnostic category sluggish Pathways because something ain't working right in

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the brain and when we can turn it around by providing more co-actors and we can't

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always okay because there are all these other things out there like dysfunctional families and other

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problems but when we can turn it around with nutrients then that diagnosis

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probably should have been sluggish Pathways and I want to say one more thing related to that when somebody gets

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very significantly better on something like a Power Plus and they don't always but when they

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do we always in our clinical trials we always see across theboard Improvement

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so there're may be selected to be in our study because they have

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ADHD okay um and maybe they have the three Cardinal symptoms but then they

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get better in terms of mood regulation of calmness not just focus and lack of

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you know decreased impulse ity all these other things that's because our brain doesn't have little boxes in it and when

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you improve your nutrient intake it's affecting the whole brain so as I say

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that child should have been diagnosed as having sluggish Pathways maybe oh that's not gonna happen in my

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lifetime did I answer your original question that was that was absolutely wonderful yeah I think that for a lot of

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people understanding that there are there are steps to producing the things

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in our in our brain within our hormonal system within our digestive system you know it's it's complex but you know our

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biology has kind of made it very very simple we just have to consume the foods that contain those ingredients hopefully

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we've got a a uh a a decent digestive system we've got the ability to like

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chew our food really well to kind of break those Foods down to obtain the nutrients that that can get um absorbed

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through OS through our intestines into our blood and get distributed around the body but how it just seems like we've

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made nutrition we've made diet we've made Health mental health physical health really really overly

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complicated the whole diet industry is just you know I studied nutrition for three years and just and it made me

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really like kind of just not respect the the diet industry whatsoever because it's it's just an absolute mess like

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trying to figure what's the new latest trendiest way and it's always connected to weight loss and like looking better

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rather than like thinking about like how we're feeling and yeah it's it's just wild so that was

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a really beautiful um breakdown of of the importance of understanding that

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these tiny little nutrients these vitamins these minerals and how essential they are to know creating the

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building blocks to create the structures to create the functions that we need to

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have let's just say decent optimal thriving neurological

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Health right and I because I keep emphasizing minerals and vitamins I should add especially for the structures

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of your cells you need omega-3 fatty acids because they're in the cell walls

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of all of our brain cells you need amino acids you need other things too and

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probably you need about a thousand different phytonutrients that haven't been named or studied yet um some people

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say it's more like 15,000 we don't really know but the solution is very

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simple eat real food make sure that you're getting all the colors and eat

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your prob or sorry prebiotics so you don't have to go go and buy probiotics for your gut eat your prebiotics to feed

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healthy gut bugs that we all want to be living in our system

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wonderful I just want to share a little clip I was just doing going through the true hope archives of video content and

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news articles and you you pop up in many of the I thought I think before

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2006 each research paper that was coming out with it within Canada about Empower

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plus and its incredible effects there were getting there were new stories after news stories after news stories

30:15

and then about 2004 2006 that just completely stopped so there's some really amazing like older footage that

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I'd love to just share it's a 90c clip and for those people who who are just listening and not watching you're still going to get something from this I'm

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just gonna play this clip because Bonnie uh features heavily in some of this and I have a couple of follow-up questions

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after so I'm just gonna uh play this video for you so you can just sit back and enjoy everyone longer experien any

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of the symptoms of bipolar effective disorder both his children he says are still on the supplements and are well

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some four years later now doctors at the University of Calgary say they have intriguing early results from a group of

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10 bipolar patients on the same supplements most had less depression

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fewer manic episodes and improved mental well-being the decrease in their symptoms is of a magnitude that is is

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very impressive any medication that ever had this effect would catch a lot of

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people's attention these days the supplement is approved as a natural health product the label stating it

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offers nutritional support for mental well-being people call it a micronutrient sledg Hammer Dr Bonnie

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Kaplan recently analyzed a database of almost 360 adults with B disorder they

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took the supplement daily for 6 months by the end more than half of patients saw at least a 50% Improvement and

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symptoms some people seem to have inherited a need for an unusual amount

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of those vitamins and minerals I think that that is explained a lot of what's going on Dr Bonnie Kaplan says some

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people's brains just need more of certain vitamins and minerals but it's hard to say which and power plus takes a

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shotgun approach I love that my favorite thing about that is that amazing jacket you've got on in

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that interview it's very snazzy I wonder if you still got that somewhere I think I do I don't know grow things

32:08

anymore wonderful well what what really struck me on that is when you you're talking about that some people

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require large amounts of nutrition or large amounts of vitamins or minerals and it's very it's probably very

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difficult to get specific with what those are but it could be very helpful to be taking a good quality broad

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spectrum micronutrient on it on the daily but can you explain to us a little bit about why why some people like

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require more nutrients than others yes I I can use very solid

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physiological information about this but uh the bottom line is I cannot test you

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Simon or me to find out which ones what we might need more of because it's in

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your brain and the only way to get at that level um there is to look

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metabolites anyway so um it's been known for a long long time that enzymes have a

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different amount of I think of it as stickiness okay to grab hold of

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cofactors and hold on to them and use them and it's a quantifiable thing it's

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called Mel's constant and there is no question in physical health it's been

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shown that the mckel constant will vary for different nutrients and be

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associated with different disorders and there was a review paper in 2002 by

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Bruce ases who's a very famous biochemist summarizing some of those um

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inherited of mutations you can think of them that way they are inherited we call

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them polymorphisms it's a different way in which you've inherited U the melis

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constant for different um enzymes in different uh co-actors so we know about

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that variability um but we don't have any way to test it in a living human brain so

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Simon you might need more magnesium and vitamin B6 than the average person I

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might need more zinc and copper than the average person who knows and that's why

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I I call empow plus and all the broadspectrum formulas um with respect I

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call them shotguns fortunately um if we don't utilize some

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of what we're consuming they're almost all water soluble and you just pee them out there's nothing toxic in in study

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after study maybe I'll throw this in here uh Julia and I and the other teams

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who've been studying these formulas have always followed up and evaluated people

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for adverse effects for um uh Bad Blood tests or heart rate or blood pressure

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whatever there has never been a significant adverse effect because they're broad spectrum but they're not

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toxic so that's why a shotgun makes perfect sense until we have more

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appropriate testing interesting that's a great answer do you do you do you recommend

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like people just like obviously you've got such a such a background in regards

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to the research and the science of of these all these nutrients all these bro broad spectrum micronutrients in general

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do you recommend them like just to like let's just say like friends and family like would you because you you without

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te you can't really do the tests to recognize what you may be lacking what you might need more of than this other

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person like would you just like recommend that like most people just consume something like this just to like

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just to cover their bases yeah I uh given what I know about soil depletion I absolutely do and the

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question question that usually comes to me is Bonnie what do you take and it's from people who know that I don't I'm

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actually I have a lot of family health issues people don't live very long in my

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family but it's heart and strength there's never been any um mood or

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anxiety or mental health problems in any generation that I know of so this is not

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a problem for me and I have a stable I've been blessed with a really pretty calm stable mood that's something you

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either have or you don't uh but if you don't you should be looking at giving yourself more minerals

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and vitamins so what I say to them is of course I take a broadspectrum formula I just don't take as high a dose as

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someone who's trying to treat you know U mood swings or depression or something

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because I don't have those problems and I am what what one do I take while I'm

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I'm a scientific research snob so I'm only going to take one that's been

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studied and shown to have an impact that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with all the other stuff over the

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counter that's out there but I'm going to take something which has been

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studied I think that's a very smart way to go and I think a lot of people can

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get because a lot a lot of that a lot of those products can be quite expensive and people can get drawn away from those

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but I think it's important to recognize that some of those prod not all of the products have the research behind them

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that actually Pro that they actually work and being able to have trust in a consistent product is absolutely key to

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obviously not only you to take it to know that you're getting that on a daily basis but that must have been key for

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your research in the in the clinical setting because you want to be able to actually know exactly what you're getting every

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time with the research that's right and since day one I've always been able to

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say there are no secrets about these formulas go look at a bottle go look at their website they list every single

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ingredient that's great wonderful yeah I think it's really really helpful to be able

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to look at what this product actually has behind it and look at this the science and the research and it's just a

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shame that the um let's just say the conventional Community is not embraced this because I feel like a lot of people

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have suffered for many many years unnecessarily because of this and

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something you said earlier in the show which kind of just like hit me a little bit that the brain and the heart have such metabolic have such a metabolic

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load that they that they require a little they just require a lot extra and then we see a lot of you know we see a

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lot of cardiovascular disease we see a lot of um brain disease at the end of life and potentially now if somebody has

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been living for 10 20 30 years significantly nutrient deficient and it

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just makes sense that maybe those parts of the body might be the ones to kind of like give up and have issues with later

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on in life mhm all right well I just want to finish

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off we' like to finish off the show with some solution based ideas to a kind of specific question and that question is

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for you Bonnie is which foods should we absolutely avoid to improve our

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brains oh that's really easy um anything which is ultr processed there's a

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wonderful uh review article that came out a couple years ago an umbrella review of thousands and thousands of

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people would been studied in terms of their nutrient intake and and their health from Ultra processed versus uh

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whole foods and there's no question that this is um people who rely on Ultra

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processed stuff too much I I don't like calling it Ultra processed foods I like calling it Ultra processed rubbish

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because it's not food um and eating those things uh definitely are

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associated with depression

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what we should be eating and this umbrella review that I I'm talking about

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um I just can't remember the reference right now um but anybody can write me on my website for it if they're very

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interested their discussion section of that article is very interesting because they address the issue are people sicker

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because they're eating the ultr processed food is it toxic to them or

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are they sick because it is placing the whole foods that would be keeping them

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healthy and they come down on the side of we have really good evidence that it's replacing the healthy food we don't

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have as clear evidence of um Ultra processed stuff having a to carcinogenic

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unhealthy effect so this is what I've been teaching for a long time that I

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don't know about the Toxic effect of the ultrapress chemicals but I do know that

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if you're eating that junk you are not eating an apple a day you're not eating raw veggies you're not eating other

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fruits Etc so that that's how we should eat the number one thing everyone should

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do before they start supplementing with a broadspectrum formula or anything is to clean up their diet and by the way

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they'll save money there is a myth out there that to eat whole food costs more money that is only true if you expect to

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eat steak and Lobster every week but if you learn how to cook with beans and

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legumes um more vegetables Etc especially the dried beans and dried

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lentils Etc it is much cheaper and there is one study out of Australia that

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showed that you can save 20% of your food budget these days that's a very

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important fact to know absolutely that probably doesn't even take into account the fact that if

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you are on an ultra processed diet for long periods of time you are inevitably going to have some sort of condition

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whether that's digestive or or otherwise and you're going to have to pay for

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potentially doctor's appointments medications treatments healthare Etc so

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that could certainly get more and more expensive but I know you pressed for time here Bonnie so I just want to thank

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you so much for coming on to the show talking about your book talking about your career where are the where's the

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best place for people to um connect with you and learn more about what you do

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it's my website and to find me on the internet and to find my website you have to know my middle initial because there

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are other Bonnie Kaplin out there so my middle initial is J and my website is

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Bonnie jan.com and my website is uh you you can

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contact me there you can email me and Julia and um we always answer those

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emails and you can take a look at videos there's even a five minute video you might want to look for it's it's on

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YouTube but it's easiest to find I think from my website um where I explain how

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those metabolic pathways work with with pictures which makes it a little

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easier I'm going to make a note of that and I'm going to get that I'm going to write a link of that I'm going to put a

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link of that into the show note so people can get straight to that so that's that's wonderful and um I've been trying to get Julia on the show for a

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couple of years so I'm going to I think I think she's do another email so I'll send her another one because I'd love to get her on the show to explain maybe

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like what's the what's the latest in regards to broads Spectrum micronutrients the research and mental

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health that would be very interesting to learn about but Bonnie thank you so much for coming on the show again I really

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appreciate it this was wonderful that's quite my pleasure thank you Simon have a

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good day of course and you thank you so much for joining us here on true hope Cy

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official podcast with trueu hope Canada we'll be back with you next week there'll be information in the show notes if you want to connect with Bonnie

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but that is it for this week we'll see you

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soon