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hello and welcome back to episode two of the true Hope Family files this is part two of an eight-part special series here

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on true Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada if you didn't have the chance to listen or watch part one I

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highly recommend you do so before going forward episode one was titled tragedy strikes and it really does set up the

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story going forward today's episode is part two and is titled the heavy hand of

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Health Canada once again we are joined by VP of true hope Canada Mr David Stefan so sit back relax and enjoy

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episode two of the true Hope Family files enjoy the show supplement developed in Alberta EMP Power Plus has

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been helping Canadians with a mental illness known as bipolar disease manic depressive tremendous cost to the

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individuals a high risk of suicide it felt like I was somewhere standing watching myself while I was here

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just bursting and like a volcano all mad this has brought me to recognize a new

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me and um has allowed me to become you know a new a new person province of

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Alberta when they heard about the effect that Empire plus was having on albertans they said why don't we look into this

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there's huge cost associated with it and Mr Speaker they set up a $544,000 study the decrease in their

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symptoms is of a magnitude that is is very impressive any medication that ever

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had this effect would catch a a lot of people's attention Health Canada hears about this and moves in to shut down the

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study Shame Shame Mr Speaker I mean is there no room for science to progress

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the treatment of disease I know that for a decade before this supplement uh I I

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made over a dozen suicide attempts and I really am lucky to be standing before you today

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um they sent the police to raid this little company in Raymond Alberta and raid their computers and has done

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everything to obstruct delivery of a product I put in a phone call to health Canada where I was immediately flipped

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over to a mental health Crisis Line uh where they have a script uh that says

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that uh you are mentally ill you need to be under the care of your physician please go to the hospital if you run out

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of your supplement you will not have this Dangerous Drug anymore we're looking out for your best interest an informed consumer is a far better judge

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of their health care needs than any health Cada bureaucrat in Ottawa I just

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ask that you please let me keep my quality of life let me continue as a productive member of society now there's

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over 3,000 Canadians receiving help from this product and and yet Health Canada would move to take it off the market Mr

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Speaker I love this country and I'm proud of my government but right now I'm really scared at what they're

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doing is there no room for science to progress the treatment of

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disease hello hello everybody and welcome to part two of the true Hope Family files this is the second edition

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to an eight-part special series here on true Hope cast and part two is titled

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the heavy hand of Health Canada and it follows up part one which was titled tragedy strikes we are blessed to have

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again in the studio with us Mr David Stefan VP of true hope Canada um he's

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going to be taking us through the next phase of the of the true Hope Family files David welcome back to the show how

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are you hey I'm I'm doing really well thank you Simon appreciate you having me on the virtual Studio here and um I am

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anxious to uh share more of the uh very

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dramatic and even traumatic uh story uh that that's behind the beginnings of

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true hope and and how we get to the point today that you know we've got products on the store

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shelves absolutely and this is just going to be another wonderful um section to to this series it's going to build

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upon each other really beautifully and in the last episode we ended part one with a with a raid on true hope

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headquarters where where guns were drawn this incident occurred in June 2003 and

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could be considered a touch heavy-handed by Health Canada with the um with with

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agents there and accompanying RCMP but we'll certainly get into that but before we jump into into part two can you

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please maybe give us a a quick recap on part one as a refresher to to to ingrate us into into part two yeah perfect for

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for anybody who hasn't seen part one definitely recommend going and watching it um it really lays a foundation for

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the beginnings of true hope and gives you an idea of kind of where our hearts are and why we do what we do and so what

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we discuss within that is the fact that my grandfather committed suicide in the

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late 70s and then my mother followed in his footsteps 15 years later and in

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January of 199 before she took her own life as well um leaving behind nine

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children who all had uh various mental health conditions as these mental health

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conditions are oftentimes hereditary our family was was definitely uh fell within

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in that realm where we were all struggling not just because of the traumatic situations but even before my

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mother took her life we were all exhibiting U signs of different mental health conditions and so um really what

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we see is a is a miraculous Discovery um coming coming from a source that that's

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so incredibly unlikely um through my father who by trade is an engineer and

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this knowledge comes for this understanding of nutrition uh comes to the Forefront and some phenomenal um

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discoveries are made in how to get nutrition into the body in such a way that it'll actually create the results that we're looking for the results that

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nutrition proper nutrition should have in helping to correct Mental Health conditions but also helping our our

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health overall to flourish and then after the first study that goes onto

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national news because it shows that the Empower plus is over three times more effective than your standard anti-depressants literally the next day

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Health Canada uh Graces us with their presence and becomes an integral part of

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the trop story for another decade there after and so if you've missed part one

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definitely go back it's what leads up to the gun drawn raid on our true hope head office which was you know you say a

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touch heavy-handed I I appreciate you minimizing that anybody who was there uh

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by the time the police went to leave uh you know two days later uh they realized that it was beyond a touch heavy handed

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and they had some um the the the sergeant that oversaw the investigation and and the execution of the search

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warrant had some beautiful words to say to my father in encouraging him to you

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know go after Health Canada knowing exactly that the RCMP had been used and

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abused in this entire process so yeah that's a recap of last

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week wonderful yeah it's um yeah some really fascinating points within within

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part one which you absolutely have to go and check out to segue into part two but yeah let's let's jump straight in so

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Gund raid on on true on true hope headquarters can you just paint the picture for us because when we we hear

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gr gundra and raid we hear SWAT team I I I see guns in my head you know I feel

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like you know it's like a a Cartel movie so why don't you um paint the picture

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for us in regards to the environment Who's involved who's there and you know what happens on this day Well here

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here's the sad thing about it that was one of the only days that I had taken off um at that point in time I'd been

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working uh for my father for about two months at that point in time um doing

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video work and compiling news clips and all that but that particular day I'd

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actually taken off for my birthday and I was actually out of out of town about an hour and a half away so unfortunately I

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wasn't there to physically observe it I was able to take the video that uh there was video footage that was taken of it

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um deeper into the investigation basically grilling these Health Canada agents as they're sitting there in our

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building um so I was able to take that and compile that and and got to see that but I wasn't actually there personally

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to witness it but here's here's the understanding that was given to me from from numerous sources numerous Witnesses

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is that you know sunny beautiful June morning and all of a sudden the doors

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come opening up you know the front doors now to paint the environment this is a

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building it's an old um trans zelta building that had been decommissioned by trans zelta when they centralized and so

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we had purchased this building uh to set up a support center um as well as a research facility and so the whole front

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of the building is literally a call center where you have all these middle-aged women uh most of them middle-aged not all I shouldn't be

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saying that there it varied from you know I guess there's a few women in their early 20s but most of them are you know um anywhere between 35 to 55 years

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old for the most part that uh that are on the phones and they're helping to support clients from around the world

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and so it's literally just what you'd expect to see with in a call center and so there's nothing that's threatening

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about this this environment um and all of a sudden the doors come busting open and you've got the RCMP SWAT team

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rushing in and demanding everybody gets away from the computers and just you know rounding them up and putting them

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into the the lunchroom so they're all detained in the Lun room at this point in time and once the RCMP realized that

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there's no threat at all because they basically were approaching it as if it was a drug bust and that's how it been

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chalked up to be by Health Canada that there's a drug an illegal drug operation

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taking place out of this building in the industrial park in you know small toown

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Raymond Alberta 3500 people the industrial park consisted of literally I think three buildings maybe four right

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like there's nothing to it and so we're one of those buildings the old Power building and all of a sudden the RCMP

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are just coming in you know basically guns blazing type of thing right and once they realized there was no threat

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all of a sudden things toned down um but it it was it was very threatening to

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these ladies I mean that was the last thing that I'm sure they thought they were going to encounter when they're you know driving to work that morning they

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show up it's nice it's sunny it's a beautiful day they're getting on the phone they're helping people come off medications and helping them get their

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lives back and all of a sudden boom there's there's police in front of you with guns so what's interesting about

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this though is there was a search warrant that had been issued Coe ordered

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and that Health Canada had obtained in the absence of our knowledge but here's

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the interesting thing about that search warrant is that it was legal they should have never been able to obtain it

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because they were supposed to disclose all the information to the judge who was granting that that search warrant who

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was basically ratifying it what health Canada had omitted to tell that judge is

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the fact that due to what we had ended off on last week um Health Canada

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seizing the product the Empire Plus at the US border as it was coming across

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and preventing over 3,000 Canadians from having access to it at that point in time that we had already launched a

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lawsuit against Health Canada so we were in the courts with health Canada it was

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already all before that you know before the courts and we were ready to to sue them for the fact that they were endangering people's lives through their

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actions and that they knew that they were endangering people's lives and that they were really moving forward with

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with want and disregard for human life and so we were suing them on behalf of

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the people right on behalf of of of the the right to life really in Canada and

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so they never disclose that to the judge which changes everything so really what

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they were doing is they were using the court system they were abusing the court system to basically push through an

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agenda here to try to scare us away because we were helping to incite protests all across Canada in relation

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to what health Canada was doing and this came on the heels this this illegal search um on our building came on the

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heels of us Pro testing in front of the federal minister of Health's um constituent office in um Edmonton

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Alberta the week previous so you know it we really got to see what what it was

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that Health Canada was up to at this point in time and we were we were Disturbed but we weren't scared and we

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were willing to do whatever it took to make sure that Canadians had continued access to these supplements so do you

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think the this whole um this whole situation where Canada

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comes in with I think nine nine agents they come in with the SWAT team they come bursting through the door and

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frightening a lot of individuals you think this is purely a a scare tactic

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rather than looking for something looking for evidence because I'm sure like the the swap me the members of the

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of the police who come in there they've been briefed that there this is a this is a a drug investigation you know they

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need to go in there with Force um deadly force if necessary I guess why would you

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have a gun if that wasn't if that wasn't you know a possibility and theyve obviously been

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told that this is this is this is what's happening behind behind the closed doors of this building and at the end of the

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day like Health Canada coming in there to what ruffle feathers and and scare through hope Canada like what do you

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believe the goal would have been and so much manipulation in regards to the courts the um the uh and the police like

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that's just Madness yeah so I i' definitely say a scared tactic but also retaliation tactic as well um it

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definitely fits the bill and everything that was listed on the search warrant Health Canada knew you know they they've

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been you know we've been battling back and forth with health Canada at this point in time for nearly three years and

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so they had a pretty good understanding of how our business was operating and so everything that they

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had listed on the search warrant and brought before the the judge to legally ratify it because they didn't disclose

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uh other pertinent information not a single thing was found on that search warrant the whole thing was baseless

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literally two days later we up and running and the the sergeant that was

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overseeing the whole raid you know pulls my dad off to the side on his way out the door and says go get him like that's

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pretty telling that's pretty telling when when the RCMP realizes that you know and they're one they're not on the

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on side with health Canada after they saw how they had just literally been used and abused like what a waste of

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time what a waste of of taxpayers money to to try to remove a scientifically

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validated discovery that was Far cheaper than psychiatric medications and far more effective than psychiatric

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medications and would help people live much more beautiful lives returning back to to you know the way that they should

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be you know be able to pursue their dreams the whole thing is extremely egregious when you when you take a look

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at it but yeah scare tactic retaliation tactic trying to get us to go away well

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two days later we're up and running as if nothing had happened and we're now trying to navigate forward as we are

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literally count counseling thousands of Canadians at this point in time who are terrified and are needing the

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supplements absolutely and it really show it's really kind of the first you know showing of the hand through Health

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Canada this is the type of thing that they are willing to do willing to I mean that

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can't can't be a cheap project or it can't be a cheap um mission to send

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those individuals in there and you say the the sergeant of the police there speaking with your father saying go get

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them because now their time has clearly been wasted they've had to um scare and

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threaten innocent Canadians like know that you know the police do such an amazing job and they they don't want to

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go into those situations unless they truly have have to do that and yeah it really goes to show that Health Canada

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really in that situation they are willing to waste time

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waste money scare and threaten to get what they want and if they are if

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they're on the understanding or opinion that this

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product is a drug um I guess they could have very easily said to the the the

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police involved that you know this this involves a a drug which has not had permission doesn't have a din this is

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this is an illegal use I could just imagine the conversation between Health canidate agents and the police just

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very carefully using specific words like illegal and drug and obviously leaving

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out massive context and sending those poor individuals those poor police

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officers into a situation where they must have just been like within four or five seconds they must have just been

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like what are we doing here I I would sure hope so maybe for some of them it would taken you know

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maybe 10 or 15 seconds but either way they would have realized that there was no threat that the the picture that had

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been painted for them was completely misleading and distorted um yeah the the

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whole of it it's it's actually if it wasn't so serious it'd be incredibly laughable really like it's just like you

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just yeah it's it's crazy it's it's literally it's literally crazy and the

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fact that you know by the time that we're said and everything said and done we're looking at millions of dollars of taxpayers

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money being utilized to try to remove something that the taxpayers should have

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access to that it's in their best interest to have access to like it's just yeah yeah I mean we could talk for

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days and days and days about the uh the use of allocations of tax payers money

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by the government and how irresponsible they are with that it blows my mind that the amount of money they see from

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citizens of this country and how poorly they utilize that money and yeah it's that's a whole another conversation but

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you said that two days after this incident true Hope's kind of like back in business but what's what's the state

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in regards to the access of this product to to the thousands of Canadians that

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rely on it all right so this is June 2003 right there's still no access health

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Canada is still not permitting it to cross the border and they're seizing the product so here

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you know people have paid for this product and health Canada has seized it preventing them from Gaining access to

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that which they've lawfully paid for and have a legal right too um under the the pued under the

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personal use um or puid uh personal use importation directorate uh they have

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access to three months of a supplement as long as there's nothing that that's you know Contraband like they have

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access to order that in from wherever they want in the world and it can cross the border as long as it's only a

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three-month Supply and that that's that's in the regulations right and so

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now Health Canada is depriving them of that so what happens is these smuggling Rings start up otherwise law abiding

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citizens we're not talking about Rebels we're talking about like grandmas I'm not kidding you we're hearing these

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stories we're we're hearing about Grandma's driving from Red Deer to go all the way down across the

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border which is about from Red Deer uh it's about four and a half hours 5 hours

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driving all the way across the US border smuggling the supplements back the empow plus back up into Canada for their

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grandchildren we hear those types of stories we hear of um natives being uh

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employed out of Ontario Quebec area to bring it across the border there in in

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much larger quantities right we're and and this is this is this is a citizen

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like a natural Grassroots um movement that's taking place and we're just hearing the stories

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about how people are gaining access to these supplements that Health Canada is depriving the Common Man from having

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access to and so this just goes to show how desperate Canadians were now Health

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Canada at this point in time is you know basically getting them themselves beat up in the media they are getting

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themselves um beat up by other uh members uh you know um industry leaders

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if you will if industry leader is the wrong terminology but people that have a

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vested interest in mental health um for example Ron leenz the head of the

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Alberta chapter of the Canadian Mental Health Association he starts warning Health Canada about their action saying

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look I'm working with mentally ill people all the time and a number of them are taking the Empire Plus getting well

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and you're going to cause suicide by what you're doing that's what I'm hearing like these these people are are

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regressing they are um you know they're they're becoming symptomatic again they don't want to go back on the medications

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that never worked in the first place so this is the dialogue that's taking place and so Health Canada is apprised to

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exactly the results of what their actions have been now if Health Canada was

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truly interested in the health of Canadians they would have taken a look at that said whoa we're putting people

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In Harm's Way our actions could actually kill people that's that's what's in the

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balances here and you think that they'd have a shift in their perspective and a shift

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in in in how they're operating and that they would lift the ban do they no do

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suicides result yes and we'll get into detail I guess a little bit more about that in a moment the fact of the matter

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is that Health Canada literally killed Canadians through their

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completely unnecessary actions that would only serve to um protect the

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bottom line interests of the profits of the pharmaceutical industry that's it

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yeah it's very important to recognize that you know whether you've you've researched the nhpp and their work but

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Health Canada and how they how how they're constructed how they're funded they consider pharmaceutical

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companies as clients of theirs you would expect them I think a lot of people

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expect that they would that that Health Canada's clients would be the people of Canada and they would be there to Serve

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and Protect and look at the best options to take um harmful Products off the shelves to put Research into upand

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cominging products that could help benefit the Canadian people you know I think when I first moved to Canada eight

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years ago I I assumed that you know the the government entity in charge of

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Health that would be their Prim a role but no you just you don't have to dig very deep to recognize that I think it's

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2third of Health Canada's funding comes from pharmacutical companies and that's

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quite clearly where your money's coming from where your bills are getting paid you're G to have to serve that Master

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and without question when a product comes along that's actually showing incredibly promising research back in

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2000 the University of Calgary Dr bnny Kaplan incredible research sharing preliminary results I think it was shown

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to be three times are effective and anti-depressants that information goes on the news the next and then then the

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next day Health Canada shuts This research down I mean what other motive

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could you could you have other than to protect your master in that situation exactly exactly so the Alberta

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Government is looking at this and saying we're going to fund over a half a million dollars into further studies to benefit the people while the feds well

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health cada is coming in saying we're going to suppress this evidence and make sure that no more scientific research

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takes place on this supplement and then they start to add you know erroneous words in there like dangerous supplement

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or Dangerous Drug right they start to Mis mischaracterize it to try to sway

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the general public to be behind them the whole thing absolutely is abundantly clear that they were not looking out for

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the interests of Canadians because you know if they were really looking out for the health of Canadians they would have said whoa there's a new study that just

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emerged on a multivitamin mineral supplement that shows that it works for mental health conditions more like

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better than psychiatric medications let's look into this we can save a lot of money in in the Health Care system

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and not only are we not going to be just like numbing people and making them medicated you know and and feel like

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zombies but we're going to be returning them back to being contributing members of society so you know economically our

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economy is going to thrive because we have a healthier population that's more productive and it's not draining our

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socialized Med medical system let let's let's look at it logically no

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they had no interest in in in saving money in the medical system by offering something far cheaper and they had no

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interest in empowering people to live their best lives by giving them something that wouldn't weigh them down

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that wouldn't provide that brain fog that just keeps them kind of clouded right

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so the whole thing is so backwards which means you got to follow the money follow

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the money and you'll see why why the motives are there because it makes no sense whatsoever as to why they did what

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they did especially knowing the results of what would occur if they did what

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they did because they knew it well in advance and their internal paperwork said so so you know at this time there's

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still a ban on the Empire plus it wouldn't be till about October of 2003 that it became so heated that Health

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Canada finally lifted that ban they finally had to relinquish because of the the incredible amount of pressure that

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was on them but then then it gets interesting in January of 2004 the

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regulations Chang which mean that we weren't out of of order whatsoever in helping people with bipolar disorder or

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anything like that because they said you have to have a drug identification number to help somebody with bipolar disorder it's now classified as a drug

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well now the regulations change and the nhp regs come in the Natural Health product regulations come into play which

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now precludes us from that whole D issue drug identification number issue and so

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now those come into play but then health Canada still persists and they charge us basically a backdated charge to pre-

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January 2004 and they now charge us for operating without having a drug

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identification number and so they're they're Relentless in trying to get rid

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of us and basically trying to bankrupt us yeah so at this point in time we're

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preparing for for court and we end up with one lawyer good lawyer um but she ends up uh becoming a judge so lose her

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as a lawyer and eventually she goes on to become a Supreme Court judge and so at that point in time we're looking for

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a new lawyer and we end up meeting this this lovely gentleman um by the name of Shan Buckley and he had already been

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involved in helping a couple other Natural Health companies in relation to their battles

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with health Canada because we weren't the only ones being singled out what we what we end up learning through all this

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is that if Health Canada is attacking a natural health company you need to look into it because if that if the products

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that they're attacking aren't killing people they're probably incredibly good for you there's really two ends of the

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spectrum anything in between if if it's not killing somebody they're not going to come after you but if it's not helping anybody they're not going to come after you so there's the two sides

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of the pendulum swing either it's really dangerous and it's killing people so Health Canada actually does swoop in and

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that's in the fact of the matter not not only I say it's incredibly rare it hasn't happened yet in his in history

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right there has been no deaths has there been some products have been laced with some stuff contaminated something like

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that yeah there has that has have created harm yeah okay Health Canada comes in and they love to use that to springboard off and say we need more

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regulations um but on the other side the majority of of Health Canada's actions

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against the Natural Health Community at that point in time were on therapeutic Natural Health Products that were competing with the pharmaceutical

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industry so all the other companies that were being attacked what we see is a

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common theme here they were helping people come off medications and their

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lives so one of those examples and you'll hear um Sean Buckley talk about this today is str's heart drops

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fantastic product coming from stos herbco you know helping people to not

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die from cardiovascular related diseases right like it's a really great product

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and it's proven and so Health Canada is attacking them so Sean Buckley is representing these other companies so he

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comes on board and he starts to represent us and and this would become a very long relationship that still exists

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today which we'll get to in episode 8 but that's when um Sean Buckley comes on

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the board now here's what what gets interesting about all this is Health

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Canada has a common tactic they'll charge a company they'll get the company to basically rack up all of this money

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in fees for um you know their lawyers fees and all that and then they'll drop the

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charges right before it goes to litigation and it it's devastating for

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these Natural Health you know companies because one they didn't get to prove themselves that they that they weren't

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guilty but two they've just racked up a massive Bill and there's not a whole lot of money to be made in in the Natural

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Health Market for the most part unless you really know what you're doing um but you know nobody's gotten Rich over here

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even though we've been selling into over 105 countries uh throughout the world and whatnot and and had um you know the

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discovery Health documentary come out on us that was pushed into 50 different countries translated into different languages we still didn't get rich were

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we doing fairly well yeah fairly well so we continue to move this Mission forward but had we not had access to that those

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extra funds we would have been bankrupted through Health Canada's actions and so Health Canada has this

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tactic where they'll do that and we found out we heard word that they were going to drop the charges and so my

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father said no no we're going to court and so I remember you know here I'm a young man I'm in my early 20s at this

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point in time you know I've got uh three other uh brothers that are working for the company at this point in time and I

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remember my my father getting all of us to to go into this boardroom and we gather around the phone and he's hey you

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know one I think my oldest brother was one supplying him with these these phone numbers doing a lot of the digging and

31:15

my dad starts phoning the independent um agents the health Canada agents who are

31:21

responsible for you know creating all this catastrophe within within Canada

31:27

and so he starts phoning up and saying Hey I just heard word that you know you're you guys are going to drop the charges you know I'm just so excited

31:34

about this because you know now I'm going to sue you personally for what you have done for the harm that you have

31:40

done to Canadians so thank you guys very much right for Expediting the process because we wouldn't be able to sue them

31:45

until you know the initial litigation was over so with them dropping the charges it puts them in a position where

31:52

now we can go at them individually much sooner so my father is doing this he's phoning all these agents and we're all

31:58

sitting around and after the calls are done we're just busting gut laughing because these agents are just like

32:03

trepidation who goes at them personally right they feel that they're protected under this umbrella of Health Canada

32:09

that as bureaucracy you know they're Untouchable and now here you got this this individual this Rogue individual

32:15

who took on Revenue Canada you know the previous six years and now he's coming at them um individually and so guess

32:23

what they did they didn't drop the charges now now we're in the courts and that was exactly what my father was

32:29

hoping for and was able to achieve now he did this mind you he's working with

32:34

David Hardy at the time and David Hardy has no idea that this is going on because David Hardy and my dad didn't

32:41

quite see I die that way my dad's a warrior David Hardy is very you know politically correct and all this and

32:46

they really balanced each other out it it was actually a great relationship a business relationship for many many years but um but my dad did this

32:54

unbeknown to David Hardy and because David would not have approved whatsoever

33:00

of that and it would have created uh grounds for basically divorce within the business in a sense the split of the

33:06

business would have taken place much earlier and so um we go to

33:13

court and things start to get a little interesting at that point in time lot of evidence coming out

33:20

um you know this is where it it becomes known that you know Ron leinz gets on stand and under oath testifies to the

33:27

fact that Health Canada had caused suicides and that he was personally aware of two of them personally aware of

33:33

two suicides we have no idea how many people suicided in Canada uh we lost

33:38

track of 300 of our clientele that we had in our database and never heard from them again during this time so 10% of

33:44

our clientele out of 3,000 Canadians 300 of them disappeared we never heard from them again and so we have no idea how

33:51

many of them committed suicide based on the fact that Health Canada was preventing access to these supplements

33:56

to this vitamins and minerals right and so the health Canada agents get up on

34:04

stand and Sean Bley had had some incredible fun with him in a sense I guess if if you want to call it that

34:10

where things were coming out of these agents mouths that even shocked sea he he was expecting one answer and they

34:17

would give him the very answer that you would never think would have rolled out of their lips rolled off their tongues

34:22

it just it was crazy like what came out and so you know perhaps we should probably pull up the the health Canada

34:29

the Expos site to to show some of the um I've got it here I know if I can share

34:34

it I can uh I can do that that's ready to go here

34:43

okay yes so for those people who are just listening this is healthc Canada

34:48

exposed.com that we're looking at right now so when you go down to the bottom

34:54

there of the front page you're going to see some of the most damning evidence that came out um you'll see portions of

35:01

transcripts there from these Health Canada agents when they're when they're being um cross-examined by Sean Buckley

35:09

and the evidence that they Supply is actually really quite shocking and so I want to hone in you know for the sake of

35:15

time here um we'll just keep it short but you know you we have two two main statements there I'm going to just quote

35:22

the last one there where Health Canada agent miles brou was asked so so if you

35:27

were sent a document showing that people were dying because of what health Canada was doing you would just ignore that

35:33

because it's not a policy or directive now you would expect out of this that his answer would be an

35:39

emphatic no no no I'd stop that because if I know that I'm killing people I'm G to stop that I remember you know sitting through

35:47

this three-week trial and I remember this was the most you know indelibly imprinted on everybody's mind who is

35:53

there I'm sure because everybody's mouths draw dropped open their jaws hitting the floor on this one when he

36:00

answered yes as in he would continue to do what he's doing even though he knows

36:07

it's killing Canadians right it was absolutely shocking and the

36:14

whole Gallery the whole Gallery you can hear this just this gasp throughout the gallery that he would have heard being

36:19

up on the stand there and yet he doesn't retract his statement he doesn't say oh actually right nothing he doesn't rebut

36:26

and say well well maybe I would have no nothing it was a simple yes I would continue doing it even because it's

36:33

policy even though it's killing Canadians that just goes to show the mindset of of Health canidate agents

36:40

that they're clearly not being trained to have the health of Canadians in mind

36:46

so yeah really really telling really telling yeah it's quite remarkable I

36:53

mean I'm sure a lot of our listeners are aware of sha Buckley and his incredible work with the nhpa and he when he ever

36:59

he's talking about the the the access or the future access that Canadians will

37:05

have to Natural Health Products he refers to this case and health Canada agents very very frequently in regards

37:11

to the fact that they absolutely were they knew that they were going to put

37:17

lives at risk they knew that people were going to die by taking EMP Power Plus away from people and you Ron Lanes he

37:23

did several press conferences after each suicidal death the because of this ban

37:29

and it's absolutely another example of of how health Canada is clearly not

37:36

serving Canadians and yeah I I gasp every time I really hear that quote and

37:41

put myself in that courtroom and and and hear what actually comes out of that that government agent's mouth yeah it it

37:50

absolutely shocking absolutely shocking because you know we we thought they would have been putting on a facade of sorts you know pretending that they were

37:57

looking out for the health of Canadians and the two Health Canada agents that took the stand um did not communicate

38:02

that that was the case whatsoever like they weren't even good liars like they they were just straight up like like

38:08

arrogantly nope this is policy this directive this is what we say it goes you know the mind the mindset of a

38:14

tyrant really is what it was with no care for human life whatsoever well we saw we've seen examples of this

38:20

throughout history that you know we saw nurenberg trials in the in the early 50s

38:26

in regards to World War II and a lot of these people were saying they were just following orders and doing what they

38:31

were told and unfortunately that is not a defense and we see very similar we see

38:37

very similar um words coming out of the mouth of these Health Canada agents in regards to just doing my job I know it's

38:44

going to put people at risk but you know who am I to who am I to do anything or or say anything exactly yeah it's a it's

38:50

a sad mindset but unfortunately it definitely plagued has plagued human Humanity throughout history and I don't think it's gone away anytime soon um so

38:58

yeah so now we're in the courts for three weeks now what's really interesting about this is that there's

39:04

withheld evidence that uh Health count refuses to bring forward and then the judge finally orders it says if it's not

39:10

if it doesn't come forward the whole case will just be shut down and they're saying it's undiscoverable can't find it literally within a couple hours they've

39:17

got Banker boxes of you know these files coming into the courtroom it's like oh interesting I thought that was

39:22

undiscoverable like for months and all of a sudden now it's discoverable within the hour that you're told that you know

39:29

that the whole case will be shut down if you don't bring all of these files in to show how egregious your actions were

39:34

against Canadians it was all all of the the the notes that had been taken from the- 1800 crisis line that they had set

39:41

up when they created this crisis so what else is interesting is that there is

39:48

researchers that take the stand that start to talk about you know Bonnie Kaplan who conducted the first research

39:54

as seen in the you know episode one um that went onto national news but then

39:59

there's also Dr Charles popper a a world-renowned psychop

40:04

psychopharmacologist and psychiatrist out of Harvard who also came on board and began studying it and he was

40:10

extremely skeptical and so he tells his whole story on Stan saying look I've got no biases here I thought the stuff was

40:16

complete hogwash right like but then uh I I tried it once on one situation where

40:23

um this individual a colleague of mine didn't want his 10-year-old son on um Pharmaceuticals and so we tried it out

40:30

you know and it worked and that got me thinking and then trying it more and trying to replicate it it didn't work so

40:36

I had to go back to the original formula that tro produced and you know he tells his whole story and then he he makes

40:41

some bold statements saying the EMP Power Plus is more effective than any medication or combination of medications

40:48

that I've ever used before now this is a renowned psychopharmacologist and psychiatrist who has also co-authored a

40:55

lot of textbooks at psychiatric students will learn from in the US also ran a

41:02

medical journal uh well medical journal um he on in relation to Psychiatry he

41:09

was also the one responsible for bringing lithium into uh North America as a treatment for child or Child and

41:16

Adolescent bipolar so this is you know a big name in Psychiatry and here he's taking the stand and saying look like

41:22

the empow plus I haven't I've never seen those results before right so it's proven that our products were doing what

41:28

we claimed they were doing and then and then Charles popper further States because he has a private practice as

41:34

well outside of his his workings with Harvard Medical School um and so he's

41:41

got private practice and when he had questions on how to reduce his clientele off of medication he was phoning our

41:48

support center and working with our support team because he had never been

41:54

taught how to take um client off of medications he had never been educated

41:59

on that and here he's in many instances he is the educator and so we're educating the educator here now and so

42:08

he referred to us as the experts in the field so not only were our products effective and did what we claimed they

42:13

they were doing but also our programs that Health Canada took major issue with because at this point in time we'd

42:18

probably removed about 10,000 people off of their psychiatric medications across the world and health Canada took major

42:25

issue with that in one of that that part should be shut down as well and so here he's saying look they're the experts in

42:31

the field basically I go to them if I need if I need expert um information

42:36

provided to me on how to you know work with my clientele and

42:42

so we end up winning we end up winning the court case

42:47

and exposing the fact that Health Canada had literally killed Canadians now here's the sad thing Health Canada

42:54

nobody within it is ever held responsible for the deaths that they created at that point in

43:01

time but on the flip side we just set up a legal precedent that served to protect

43:08

the whole Natural Health Community from these egregious actions that Health Canada was performing because they were

43:13

just moving in unprecedented just just trying to wipe out therapeutic companies right and they succeeded in numerous

43:20

instances and so which is really quite sad because we would have better products available to us today we'd have

43:25

more products available to us today um if Health Canada wasn't getting in the way our health as Canadians would be

43:34

much better we wouldn't be struggling with all sorts of of this chronic disease that's plaguing us that's been

43:40

growing significantly since the 70s right yeah there's a very strong argument the fact that if Health Canada

43:45

didn't exist that we'd actually be a a lot healthier and just imagine that the

43:51

amount of M money that's pumped through the organization that could be allocated for I don't know promoting good quality

43:58

sleep promoting movement promoting supplements promoting vegetables you know it's quite remarkable it's a very

44:05

interesting um argument that that's to be had and just just going back to the court proceedings the fact that we've

44:11

got individuals like Dr Bonnie Kaplan Dr Charles poer um Ron leaness these the

44:17

validation for the quality of the product the quality of the the company

44:22

itself and the fact that Dr Charles popper was was was consult in with true hope in regards to how to support his

44:30

patients from getting off medications and it's an amazing thought you have to think about when it comes to the

44:37

education of of doctors where they are they taught about the human body they

44:42

talk taught about pathology and then they talk about pharmacology about which medications people should get on

44:48

depending on the diagnostic criteria but do they have courses about

44:53

how to support people getting off those medications is there is there an outro to that process or is it about keeping

45:02

these individuals on these medications and when we're talking about a disorder like bipolar where a lot of people are

45:09

on three four five different medications or cocktail and you know there's no research on the combination of these

45:15

medications being used together it's very much kind of guesswork and one

45:20

thing stops working let's try another thing and side effects compound it's

45:26

quite remarkable that the conversation isn't had more often that are we actually educating doctors to get people

45:33

off medications or are they ending up just being salesman for big farmer well

45:39

this this is marketing one1 it's it's about establishing and ensuring a long

45:45

customer lifetime value is is how it's stated in marketing uh customer lifetime value they're able to calculate it quite

45:51

well especially given the fact that they they're training these doctors say once they're on these medications you're on

45:57

them for the rest of your life that disease doesn't go away boom you've got them from the time that you got them onto the medication to the time that

46:02

they die right there you can you and you can do a pretty good calculation based on on you know you know General

46:09

mortality rates the age the average age of mortality you can take a look and say look this person is worth this much to

46:15

us over the next 52 years right on average it's marketing 101 is exactly

46:21

what it is and they're not going to create an outro to that because they don't want to diminish or shorten that

46:26

customer lifetime value so it's it's it's all about once

46:32

again follow the money look at the money follow the money and then in that case it's worth Health Canada's time it's

46:39

worth Health Canada's money or Canadian taxpayers money to take out um Natural

46:46

Health companies to create more customers because if people don't have the option of using therapeutic products

46:53

from a natural health health food store then when things come up for them their only option is going to be

46:59

pharmaceutical companies so you know we're seeing it right now in 2024 and it's been happening for decades the

47:06

attempt to actually just eradicate Natural Health the Natural Health industry within Canada we're seeing all over the world actually and it's just

47:13

going to put more money in the pockets of O of big farmer and you know if

47:18

Health Canada's clients their customers are making more money that can only be good news for everybody I guess exactly

47:26

exactly yeah so we win the court case it ends up on the news I think we've got the news

47:32

clip here don't we we certainly do let's bring that one into play

47:38

here CTV news with regg Hampton it's not very often a judge tells someone that

47:44

they had no choice but to break the law but that's what happened today in a case involving true hope nutritional support

47:52

the Alberta company makes a supplement to help people with mental disorders it was selling its product without a drug

47:58

identification number but as num Juwan reports the judge found them Not Guilty

48:04

by reason of necessity there was relief and a feeling

48:09

of vindication as company Founders and supporters left the courthouse it shouldn't be that hard to do something

48:16

good in this country and uh we finally feel a little bit Vindicated today over that in this case regulatory enforcement

48:23

cost people their lives in this case it caused much human suffering to the 3,000 families that required this for their

48:29

lives true hope nutritional support was charged with selling pills it created to treat bipolar disorder and depression

48:36

without a drug identification number or din in his decision the judge called the case complex and unique he said while

48:43

the company was in breach of den regulations it had no reasonable alternative but to disobey Health

48:48

Canada's order to stop selling the product judge Gerald Mayer said the harm avoided was clearly and unquestionably

48:56

greater than the harm inflicted the judge said the defendants could have faced criminal prosecution if they

49:01

hadn't continued to provide the supplement and claiming they needed a drug identification number would not

49:06

have been a defense it showed that we we couldn't stop this because if we would have stopped our children would be

49:13

institutionalized or suicided instead they're living normal

49:19

lives it's just been such a gift to be able to go from a place where there is no hope to being able to function

49:25

normally that's in 2004 the company did receive special permission from the health minister to

49:31

distribute the supplement and regulations have changed so true hope now has a natural health product number

49:37

from Health Canada but the owners now want an inquiry into this whole incident njma Yan CTV News Calgary Health cada is

49:45

waiting for legal advice before deciding on an appeal some amazing characters in that

49:53

couple of minutes there we saw Shan Buckley we saw David we saw your father we saw um Barbara in there like some

50:00

amazing characters involved in the story and Autumn there as well and um yeah

50:06

that's uh you're just muted there David but yeah that's a copy of Autumn's quite Incredible Book a promise of hope which

50:13

is an amazing read we've had Autumn on the show talking about that book talking about her story I'll leave a link in the

50:20

in the show notes if you want to catch up with that one but that is a really really interesting um take on Autumn's

50:27

history and the um situation and history of her mother as well your your mother

50:34

there David so certainly a really interesting read but yeah what a what a great clip and it's and the first thing

50:40

the news reporter said there what an interesting um situation where you are

50:46

forced to break the law and you win the lawsuit through it yep because in Ence we did we we were we were in

50:51

contravention of section 31 32 of the Food and Drugs act because we were helping people with bipolar dis disorder

50:57

regardless of what the modality was regardless of the fact that it was a vitamin mineral supplement we were now in contravention based on the

51:03

application of that which is it just shows at section 31 32 of the Food and Drugs act that there's some issues there

51:08

that need to be removed right and so we did break the law but we we took a

51:14

higher moral ground because we were saving people's lives right like it's it's life Over Law

51:20

here and so that's that was the principle that was established in the in this court proceeding that if we were to

51:26

have obeyed Health Canada we would have cost people their lives and we could have been in court now for criminal

51:33

negligence resulting in death which is much more egregious than in contravention of section 31 or 32 of the

51:39

Food and Drugs act right oh we offended the ACT rather than you know on the the Converses harming people and and causing

51:46

their death really so Health Canada once again doesn't have their priority straight it's all about policy you're

51:52

breaking our policies but you're saving people's lives but we don't care that you're saving people's lives we're going to cost those people their lives because

51:58

we want to enforce our policy it's ridiculous unreal so ruling comes out

52:05

there is this beautiful sense of vindication lawsuit continues on we're now suing Health Canada at this point in

52:12

time Health Canada did appeal an investigation never did take place into their actions but they did appeal and

52:17

then they dropped the appeal really shortly thereafter so they're once again just playing that those games you know

52:23

just abusing the system really and keeping us strung out and so what's

52:28

great about this though is that studies start to happen again because all the research at at this point in time in

52:33

Canada had been come to a halt it was just kind of shut down and there were studies taking place out the us there

52:39

was studies taking place out Hawaii it was starting to grow right as researchers were finding out about this

52:44

and and finding out about the tremendous results they began studying it so it was growing on its own within the research Community within the scientific

52:50

community and so that was a beautiful thing um but you know there there this

52:56

issue that starts to arise coming up into you know around 2008 um Health Canada at this point in

53:05

time was starting to slow down on some of their raids but there's still stuff taking place there's stuff that had

53:11

taken place that was egregious beforehand um I think you know it's only a couple minute clip we should probably

53:17

I know we're coming up close to the end of our time but um are we wanted to watch that that Quick Clip there called the question of sovereignty absolutely I

53:24

think it's incredibly relevant so we're just going to play that on

53:30

H it's a very Vivid picture in my mind there was this Bang Bang Bang on the

53:36

door it was five Canadian RCMP officers another officer jumped out am I under

53:43

arrest he had his gun and it was aimed straight at my head broke down the door of his house came in and he awoke with a

53:49

gun to his head the lead person holds a gun towards my wife I got to call the

53:55

police how can how can I call the police this is the police it was

54:02

terrifying it was invasive it was wrong and people got hurt these stories have never been told right they rushed

54:08

through the office and gathered everybody up and treated us like common criminals protesting Bill

54:15

c-51 more than 200 people gathered in Old Strath Kona today protesting a new federal bill they say would severely

54:22

limit their access to Natural Remedies we're talking about vitamins and min things that you pick up off the shelf

54:29

every day you appointed a a gy at my wife for these things now with this bill

54:35

C6 the consumers are afraid and the doctors are afraid of Health Canada you know they can do the seizures they can

54:41

put you in jail this is what health cada does all the time you see guns drawn it's not conspiracy theory this is

54:48

economics 101 I happen to believe that you've sold us out we built a country

54:53

east and west and North we built it on an infrastructure that deliberately resisted the Continental pressure of the

54:58

United States the day that Regulators become corporate pwns then we're in trouble for 120 years we've done it with

55:06

one signature of a pen you've reversed that we're literally moving into 1984

55:11

and I think we need to ask is this how we want to live well it's a disappointment I mean I probably wear

55:18

the maple leaf you

55:25

know you know that just goes to show kind it really

55:31

illustrates you know the the environment of of the Natural Health

55:37

Community and and the oppression that it was under and is still under today in fact it's even worse today but that's

55:42

you know we're going to save that for episode eight you know it's it's just really

55:48

interesting to to see a lot of these untold stories and and that's just scratching the surface like there is so

55:54

many people that you know State Side Canada side gone to jail

56:00

wrongfully over these types of situations had their businesses destroyed lives lost like it's just

56:06

phenomenal what health Canada has been doing all along I know you know this whole episode really

56:12

is you know beating on health Canada but during this particular part of the story

56:18

for eight years after the excitement comes out about our product being

56:23

studied and showing exactly what thousands of people have already to experience at that point in time so now they're feeling validated right like wow

56:30

like yeah that's exactly what I found in my life right by using these vitamins and minerals to all of a sudden Health

56:37

Canada is just doing its darnest for years on end to try to shut this thing

56:42

down unfortunately my father wasn't in it for business wasn't in it for money otherwise he would have walked away minimized the risk and said hey there's

56:49

other lucrative businesses I can get involved in smart guy or maybe I'll take the advice of Health Canada and move

56:55

down south right and and leave all the Canadians out to dry

57:00

no fortunately this was a mission on his heart to bless other families so that

57:06

they didn't have to go through what our family had to go through in relation to the multiple suicides in relation to just being decimated by the effects of

57:14

severe mental health conditions yeah if your your father's such a hero in this whole story and I just thinking about

57:20

Autumn's book as well when you read through that like your dad's an absolute champion and I feel like if this if this

57:27

if true hope and Empower plus and all these other amazing products were just you know General business ideas then

57:33

perhaps things things would have gone very very differently but the fact that this product and this and this company

57:38

was born out of know significant tragedy and your father just didn't couldn't

57:46

allow that to happen to another couldn't allow that to happen to another family to experience the death the tragedy the

57:52

suicide and everything else that encompasses that um it's th it's those Dee rooted beautiful

58:00

reasons that your father has continued to to stand up against um tyranny

58:05

against Health Canada and and their agents and their incredibly disgusting actions and yes

58:13

it's really you know a strong tribute to to him and his character and I'm yeah

58:18

personally just blessed to be able to just be a part of trueu Hope Canada and to be able to um to still be here to be

58:24

able to serve and and look back at the the battles that that he's won for

58:30

us yeah there's definitely a rich history to it and it was a beautiful thing growing up with that as an example

58:36

right to to be a warrior which would then have to be employed um you know in in years

58:43

following which will I don't know what episode that starts to come out probably five or six anyways um yeah it it was a

58:50

beautiful thing to to observe and to be a part of and to have firstand experience uh being involved with with

58:56

my father in these battles so at this point in time we're

59:01

still suing Health Canada now there's there's a topic that that emerged during that video and and we see the protest

59:08

about Bill c-51 2008 rolls around we're in the federal courts suing Health Canada of an

59:16

extremely corrupt case like we are being Absolut absolutely railroaded on on this

59:23

this case but it's the same time that bill c-51 emerges which has the ability

59:29

to destroy the whole Natural Health Community in one Fell Swoop anything that that's deemed therapeutic

59:35

reclassifying it basically under a drug model um holding the Natural Health

59:41

Community to the same um level of repercussions as is found the millions

59:46

of dollar fines and all that type of stuff as what you'd find in the in the pharmaceutical Arena except that the

59:51

Natural Health Community doesn't make the billions of dollars that the pharmaceutical industry does so they can't afford million doll fines whereas

59:58

it's built into the business models of the pharmaceutical industry they find themselves out of line they make you know I don't know $100 million off of a

1:00:05

medication they get they get fined they get fined you know $6 million for that oh slap on the wrist where you know they

1:00:11

still have the rest of the profit and they killed some people in the process right small you know they should be be

1:00:18

criminally charged for this and so they can afford to build that into their business model if we got F $6 million

1:00:25

goodbye goodbye right goodbye to tr you're not gonna we're not going to sustain that

1:00:30

unless the people got behind it and funded us or whatever you're it's just not sustainable and so we see this

1:00:37

emerging um and this bill coming forward and so things start to get heated and so

1:00:43

massive protest takes place in front of the federal court building while my father and Sean Buckley are upstairs

1:00:51

with David Hardy and they are um fighting out this court battle Down Below on the street level it's this

1:00:57

massive protest taking place about B c-51 which is actually that's the the

1:01:02

actual footage that's found in that last news clip that we have there you want me to get that one

1:01:08

rolling yeah let's get it rolling all right off store shelves some of them off store

1:01:18

shelves these protesters say it's taking away their rights as Citizens to choose

1:01:23

and forces them to use Pharmaceutical and I've been doing herbs all my life I

1:01:29

don't do drugs I don't do Pharmaceuticals I don't believe in them and my rights are being taken away bill

1:01:36

c-51 is designed to ensure supplements are safe before they are put on the market but the Hoffman Center which

1:01:42

prescribes both drugs and herbal medications says supplements are safe and in some cases safer than

1:01:50

Pharmaceuticals okay just got to pause it there because wow I I know we're running the short time but you know to

1:01:57

digress for one moment here there's sometimes safer than

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Pharmaceuticals that's amazing to me there isn't a single listed death in

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the history of Canada from a natural health supplement and yet we literally in since

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2000 we have over 2,000 deaths from people taking their

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Pharmaceutical as properly prescribed over 200,000 deaths that that's like a

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good siiz City here in Alberta right gone over the last 24 years from people

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taking the medications as as they were supposed to as they were instructed to so

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no that that that's that's one of you know one of those media distortions that just misleads people um because the only

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safe pharmaceutical that's out there is the one that's not taken they all come with inherent side effects that are

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harmful and many times deadly well said I'll I'll I'll continue

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this video here no identifiable deaths from herbs or vitamins or minerals that we know of

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from this natural healthcare industry so we talking about two different entities entirely organizers of this rally say if

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the bill were to pass up to 70% of all supplements would be illegal and that could lead to a host of other problems

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but if it goes to the that what I'm hearing about that you can get non-elected officials and government

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agents coming in and raiding your your place of business because there's not meeting specific criteria I think we're

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entering into very dangerous territory Lucas Boyd hopes the bill Fades because he doesn't want to revert back to

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prescribe drugs they just had really bad side effects some of them made me feel sick and they gave me really bad anxiety

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Boyd and those around him will continue their fight the thought of losing is enough to make these protesters sick to

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their stomachs for your I'm binduri yeah interesting hey you know so

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the the whole of it with this is where it gets interesting um and I know we

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can't go too deep into this because we're now almost crossing over into episode three

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but there's this major issue looming over Canada literally in the balances is

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the whole Natural Health Community and you know basically going to a a uh a model like Australia at that time or New

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Zealand where their Natural Health Community is lousy like they didn't have a whole lot of products accessible to them empty store shelves and that's what

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Canadians stand at risk at of at that very point and so this is one of the

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most troubling times in history in Canada for having access to Natural

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Health Products is 2008 and we discover this we're working

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with Shan Buckley on this Shan Buckley looking at it as a lawyer looking at at at the bill that that's put before you

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know Parliament and we're saying whoa this can't go through so we brand that whole stop c-51 all the stop signs with

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the stop c-51 we brand it and we launched this we were the the leaders in this movement and then what we got to

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see was interesting we got to see how there was infiltrators within the Natural Health

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Community that were trying to sideline the whole of this infiltrators that were posing as

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the Protectors of the Natural Health Community and in reality they were doing

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the evil bidding of Health Canada and deceiving many of the key

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stakeholders within the Natural Health Community to basically accept this bill

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and we got to see people we got to see these organizations for who they truly were um their true colors and we got to

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go head-to-head with chfa Canadian Health Food Association which was supposed to be the trade organization

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that was there to liaison between the Natural Health Community and health Canada and to protect the Natural Health

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Community from these these issues that we were struggling with um from Health

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Canada and yet they were doing the exact opposite and so I think we're going to be touching more on that at the

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beginning of episode three as to who these infiltrators were what role they were playing and what we were able to

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expose as an organization that caused the resignation of um of certain key players

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within all of this perfect perfect segue into part

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three David which will be coming to you guys next week that is it for this part

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two the heavy hand of Health Canada this eight part um series The True Hope

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Family files wow quite an interesting episode yeah we just went through an hour there

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and I think we um covered it beautifully and by the time people get to the end of

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episode 8 we're really going to have taken them on a journey I think they're really going to understand

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the very Insidious nature of Health Canada and the quite

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um courageous actions that is true hope

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Canada and a lot of the other characters that we'll see that you know who are mildly associated with the company but

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you know are their are their own uh identity as as well so yeah David thank

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you so much for taking us through that um in episode two we're going to be back with part three if you've got the

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ability to give us a review on iTunes or on Spotify please do that we certainly

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um recommend if you've not checked out part one or you feel like you want to recommend that to somebody do share the

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link there's going to be some um links in the show notes for some of the things we've referenced today Autumn's book for

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example um so make sure you do check that out because it really really does bring this whole beautiful story

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together that is it really for me David you have any closing remarks nope plenty of remarks be made

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in episode three though we're looking forward to it well said well thank you very much everyone for watching and

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listening we will see you soon

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blessings