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hello good day greetings wherever you are in the world thank you for joining true Hope cast the official podcast of

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troop hope Canada now this podcast true hopecast is well it really takes a deep dive into mental Health's many psychological and

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physiological aspects and this is the show for you if you're looking for motivation inspiration knowledge and

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solutions and that's really what we're all about here at Canada true hope Canada is a mind and body based

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supplement company that is dedicated first and foremost to promoting brain and body Health through non-invasive

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nutritional means for more information about us you can visit truehopecanada.com today though I welcome Michelle wingle

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to the show now she is a gifted teacher healer and Mentor she is trained and certified in natural healing CBT and

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neuro-linguistic programming Michelle has also been featured in Women's Health magazine in several TV segments her take

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on weight loss is quite revolutionary she helps her clients understand and take action

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and at the same time supports them in learning to love themselves as they are she authored the book A mentality

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workout exercises for permanent weight loss in 2015 after keeping her own weight off for eight years today we're

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going to be discussing the wrong and right approaches to weight loss enjoy the show okay well welcome to the show

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Michelle thank you so much for joining true Hope cast I really appreciate your time today I'd love to

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um I can't wait to like learn more about you and what you do but how are you what is going well

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great I'm so grateful to be here and I I love the idea of true hope I think hope

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is underrated I think sometimes we think of Hope as like

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crossing our fingers you know or just please please please but I think we can look at Hope as this opening up and a

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powerful way to manifest what we want you know to think of Hope in in that way and so I

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really love that I love the message of of Hope and and of what uh you you guys

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are on a vision to do so I'm grateful to be here I um

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I love talking with like-minded people and discussing everything wellness and

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wholeness so yeah I'm I'm thrilled to be here everything's today everything's

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going great it's a little rainy outside but I'm ready to you know it's got those fall you got

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those fall um those fall worms cozies and uh

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cuddlies and I'm so I'm kind of excited for that to start you know it's been it's been it's just usually it's been

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what's been warm and then also it just changed in the last few days so now it's kind of fun to

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to move into that winter mode yeah I think it's interesting that the

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uh like that those warm spring summer months you know that there are you know certain period of time like four five

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six months and then everyone's kind of ready to kind of like settle down a little bit more and get the warm clothes

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out and it's you know surely it's you know sure it's a it's about you know staying warm and cozy and maybe slowing

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things down a little bit but you know it's it's very important to recognize that you know our biology was designed

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to very much like slow down and literally do nothing uh during these times so it's important that we may be

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recognize that we shouldn't be going so so fast and going at 100 miles an hour

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during those winter months as well you know we should be working with the seasons not just with our our food but

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also like our work habits our stress habits all of those things so yeah it's a good it's a good reminder when the

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weather gets when the weather gets a bit chillier we should take that as a message that you know it's it's time to

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time to slow down yeah yeah I agree that the Earth is letting us know

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things are going to be different for a minute yeah and certainly those those transition periods are very very

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important whether they're just big ones like the seasons or even just going from like night to day or from home life to

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work life like it's important to stay conscious and aware of these like time transitional periods and have

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um Consciousness around that and be be aware that that's a that's a transition time is very very important it's it's

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the way the way life is and we can you know we can put a lot of energy into you

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know doing being kind of ready for those things I suppose rather than like I don't know morning the summer but you

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know we'll be right it will it will come again there's no doubt about that right right well why don't you let us know who you

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are and what it is that you do please okay well uh I what am I I I'm very different than

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I was maybe 10 years ago um I was very much being a mom and and

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being making sure spelling tests got studied for and shoe sizes were brought up to date but

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um things my my my my husband started to have some

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emotional uh maybe even some mental health issues and so we went to the

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doctor and um and it you know that was helpful it probably saved him we went to the doctor

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and we spent probably five years at least you know on this journey of of

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changing medications and trying it and filling it work for a while and then

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um it kind of fizzling out um in fact I was looking at I kept a really dedicated Journal during that

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time so we could keep track of what was happening because there was just this something in the air or something wrong

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you know and so as we were kind of going through that

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with him um somehow it came into my life just some of these holistic ways of doing

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things um my I had a friend that would just kind of say these strange things about

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what she was learning from another friend of hers and and how she would go to have these appointments that this

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lady that did this thing called Reiki and and I just would kind of listen and kind of you know didn't think much of it

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and but um you know things as things started to not solve all the way through the in the

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medical side of things it would kind of just come and it would just kind of work for a minute and then not work I

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started to listen to her a little bit more and I've always been inclined to

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really I always had this really um interest in this idea of who we are

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and how that you know how these are our experiences affect us and that kind of a thing so it wasn't that far of a stretch

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but um pretty soon I decided I was going to

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start there was like an opportunity to take a class and I took my first class

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and I really enjoyed it and so from there I moved on to that was a

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I took a natural healing class and I I really enjoyed that and then I moved into a master energy therapist and

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that was fascinating and learned lots of different things and then I took my Reiki training and

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and uh that was really helpful I really liked

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that that was really um a big influence on me and helped me a

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lot because going through having him go through his thing brought on a lot of my

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stuff it was very stressful it was it's like sometimes we have when we have a

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physical ailment we have teams of people you know that come together and and work

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on that element I I use this example I have a sister her husband was diagnosed with cancer and you know within days of

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that diagnosis he had probably four or five doctors and they're calling each other and and they're doing their thing

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to get him taken care of and then and it was shocking to me when and it

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was just kind of I just saw it so plainly when he passed away

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she had nothing you know and yet I felt like her injury her wound

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uh her dis-ease being out of ease in life was just as traumatic to her sense

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of well-being as his was you know she took this hit and there wasn't there's just not a

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process to to allow that to be impactful for your life it's just kind of left up to

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the person to kind of do that so so and I I felt that way in um dealing

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with with my husband and seeing those kind of things it was kind of like there was these

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surface kind of things to help but there was nothing

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that I felt went really deep and until I started to find some of these modalities I and

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I took a class or a certification called it's called heart centered therapy and

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it's very much about looking at these these signature points in our lives and how when they're

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painful whether that's mental emotional physical or spiritual pain you know that

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comes in and then to kind of bring ourselves into congruence we kind of leave part of ourselves behind so an

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example would be a lot of times in childhood this might happen where I get in trouble let's say I get in

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trouble for doing something and maybe maybe

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there's some kind of Separation that happens whether that's go to my room or

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sit on timeout these kind of things well our human biology wants connection and

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autonomy we want two things at the same time we want to be accepted by our group

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and we also want to be a little bit of an individual well in these moments

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where we're threatened with that separation a lot of times we say to ourselves oh I

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gotta be different so that that never happens again and so we kind of Leave Behind the little pieces of ourselves so

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if I get in trouble then here's just a simple example then you know in order to make sense of that

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feeling I have and to protect myself from it happening again then I accept that I was bad in that

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moment let's say and so in order to accept that truth of I am bad then maybe we'll let go of I'm good you know and we

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kind of compartmentalize some somewhere put that deep away so that now things

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make sense in the world we can make sense of our lives and we can move forward and so we fragment a little bit

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and and so a lot of what I do is going back and finding those moments where we

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have fragmented the truth of of ourselves and bring it bring it back into into wholeness

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and to feel like we're whole and to recognize that we're always whole

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but that um it's also it's a we are always whole and it's a continuous process it's kind

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of a little bit of a paradox but that um

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would we in in a session or working with someone we can bring those together until they can feel that way till they

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can feel whole they can accept their their wholeness and um and restore those those aspects of

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themselves and I I

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a while back probably about 20 2008 2009 I

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um I lost a bunch of white I lost a bunch of weight and I I've since written a book about it you know just kind of what

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it was but it was a real full body emotional mental spiritual physical experience and I was featured in Women's

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Health Magazine and we we ended up doing about six hours of interviews trying to

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for this poor woman trying to understand what I had done to lose weight she

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wanted to know what I ate and how much I exercised and and I you know I I kept

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track of what I ate but I I didn't restrict heart you know things particularly and I I didn't exercise

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hours a day and so because it was just this whole change about the way I

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thought about things not just food but about my possibilities about my my worth

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all of those were part of this journey and uh and so you know talking to her

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and I'd have other people come up well how did you do it how did you do it and they just kind of want this recipe that they can follow

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and so I was sitting there trying to think about that and and I was trying to

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come up with a way that I could explain this to someone else you know and

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um all of a sudden this question kind of popped in my head that said you know we always talk about emotional

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eating what if that emotional eating is that weight from emotional eating

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lives in a place called The Emotional body and it was just this weird kind of

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different way of thinking that I hadn't ever thought about but it was just it just kind of like separated in within myself

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these four bodies the mental body which is our thoughts beliefs

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uh the way we view the world cognitively this emotional body that is our feeling

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and I mean it's it's almost the core of who we are we had emotions long before

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we could cognitively think about something um we have this spiritual body this part

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of us that knows there's something bigger than us that's I love Carolyn Miss says their spiritual

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is the part of us that is connected to Hope I think that's a great example just

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this part of us that that's connected and then and that finds meaning in things there's that piece of us that

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finds meaning and things and we each see things differently when it comes to that that part of who we are and the big

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kicker was when I came to that physical body and I realized that those thoughts

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and beliefs those emotions and that connection and meaning I experienced

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those things physically in my body through Sensations and that

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that body which for so many of us is we

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we are shameful of our bodies or we are

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think they're not beautiful or we judge them and to really realize that this is one

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of our biggest tools for experience because we come in through sensation we take in information through our senses

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but we also process through Sensations if I have a big a big sense of Love or

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hope I am feeling that in my body through Sensations even more than you know this linear

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cognitive experience in my head you know I am really sensing

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those that experiment expression and so taking care of that physical body

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became something very different for me um it became taking care of that tool that vessel

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that can support me in having all these other areas show up in in health to be because if my

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body is not in good shape like if it's not receiving the messages correctly

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then I'm having a very different experience you know and and

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um I think there's I think the key in understanding ourselves a little more is

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to move into the body and to get familiar with those Sensations get familiar with with those parts that are

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that are um in in need of of help or healing and

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so many times those Sensations have gotten so maybe they've gotten

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overpowering at some point and so we we cut off our body we don't feel those Sensations and we stay up in our mind

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and that's a lot of pain that it gets manufactured because that

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message isn't coming through it gets it kind of gets stuck in a way so I I understand it because I think if if

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we're uh there's a there's a really good video on YouTube called the still face

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experiment have you ever heard about this still face experiment okay so they've repeated this experiment

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hundreds of hundreds of times and and it's really fascinating and they

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take a baby who's usually under two and they stick them in a room with their mom and the mom is talking to them and

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they're kind of just playing back and forth and they ask the mom to go still

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face they ask her to just not have any expression so she's not angry she's not

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upset she just has no affect and again and again within two minutes

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they try and do it for two minutes and within two minutes the baby has gone from you know trying to get back this

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connection that they have trying to be seen and heard and to a full-on by the

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end of two minutes they are in full trauma response you know fight flight freeze or a piece they're really

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uncomfortable and so when we have these times in our lives where that has

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happened it's uh really distress stressful to our

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sense of well-being this this part of us that isn't connected and if you watch

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that you can see the baby it she the baby is in real life pain

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and if you had to be put inside that much pain for longer than two minutes it

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would be really easy to to cut off and to to not feel anymore and you know Gabor Monte talks about

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that a lot in his book in his books but in his book scattered you know that that's one of the

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the results that that turn into an ADHD is this need to have to shut down and

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and freeze in order to because that was our only that could be what maybe maybe

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many of times that was our only option and then that mechanism worked right it

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worked in that moment when it was painful but now 20 years later when we are in you know it doesn't work anymore

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where it's it's kind of shut down or and distracted it's like oh let's check out

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here and think about things everywhere else because it's uncomfortable here because it was at a certain time so you

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can see that in that um still face experiment you see it in real life and

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it's and I just have so much compassion for all of us because I think we've had those those moments in different ways a

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lot and I think we shut down our bodies a lot to to

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numb that pain you know certainly we I mean we're so unbelievably energetic and emotional beings

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regardless whether or whether we're aware of it or not and we you know we're literally like antennas for frequency be

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that positive emotion negative emotion things going on around us things going on in our own psyche super super

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interesting you you shared so much amazing information now I want to go back to a couple of things that really

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stood out for me so first of all was the you had the experience with your with your husband who was going through some

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mental health stuff and then you know going through five years of you know working with conventional medical

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practitioners and you also made the interesting comparison to a friend of yours whose partner had

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cancer and I think the really interesting piece that I picked up on there was that you know you can you can

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see you can test in blood you can do biopsies you can do scans and you can

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like physically see a Cancer and that is a very very different thing to you can't

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I can't see really the the the the physical matter in your brain that's

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causing the symptomology of depression anxiety schizophrenia bipolar Etc so if

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we can't see it or see it on a test it's very very difficult for humans to

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really really understand what's going on especially when we can't like manipulate or fix it or do a surgery or give it or

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give a drug that's like kind of effective it's very very difficult for us to to do

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that and then you were talking about the the Women's Health Magazine piece that you did and you're doing a six hour interview with this person I'm sure this

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person was just trying to get out of you the specific Foods you ate and the exercise that you did because that's how

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we're driven as human beings to figure out what problems is like that quick one thing UA and that thing that you did to

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exercise and then if I just do that then I'm just going to lose my weight regardless of the obvious obvious piece

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in all of that is most of us who go into let's just say

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like our first big diet routine where we want to lose weight and that's usually 99 times out of 100 the reason why we

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want to change our diet and start moving our bodies more is to lose weight because we don't feel brilliant about

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ourselves because right you know there's an image in society which I'm supposed to attain to be like you know successful

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or whatever and you know that that plays quite deeply on our internal emotional

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state and it's just it's just super fascinating that we usually go into that new diet

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movement routine probably with quite a lot of let's say positive motivation because okay you've made the decision

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you're going to do these things this is what I'm going to do and then I'm going to do it it's so it's just so difficult

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to um sustain let's just say diet restrictive

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um a restricted diet as well as trying to you know move your body in a way that has not been used to doing but like

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let's say you've got the motivation of a couple of weeks or a few weeks before your old habits start to creep back in and you miss a workout and you like you

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you cheat on your nutrition plan or whatever let's just take January every year as a prime example of how many

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people like sign up for a gym for a year and they they stop going after three weeks right because the yeah the

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motivation is pure it's good it's great but it's not it's not deep enough you know it's not it's not got the emotional

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um integrity and emotional power that it would be if you were if you had so much

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more like wrapped wrapped around it and I'm sure like when this this person was interviewing you trying to figure out

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like what it is that you did to lose all this weight and feel good and then it's very difficult to obviously put a

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formula on that but like it clearly sounds like you had your um

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like you had your emotional integrity intact around those changes because I

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I've done you know I I studied nutrition like eight years ago and at the beginning I was trying all these diets I

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was trying all these ridiculous like master master cleanse and all these things I wanted to just try it to see what it was like I didn't want to

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recommend something to somebody without having done it myself and right and the things the things that have worked for

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me personally because I used to be quite I used to be quite heavy when I was like in my in my early 20s the things that

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worked for me was when I was when I ended up like letting go a lot of the the ego and the kind of self-hatred that

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came along with like not feeling great about my body and obviously when

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you do have a lot of weight and you're not eating great and you're drinking too much alcohol you are gonna right you're gonna feel bad most of the time and

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you're not going to remember what feeling good like is like and when I let go of a lot of those things

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and I started to live in a lot more gratitude happiness and joy and I let go of some of the self-judgmental stuff

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I wasn't really doing too much different with my diet and I wasn't really doing that much more exercise it was literally

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I was just changing I was doing like a sales just doing an emotional cleanse I was living more gratitude and happiness

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and I was living in with like self-doubt and being you know being egotistical and all that kind of thing and my my body

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was just like just just working in a different way and that must be that must have been so difficult to explain uh

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right to somebody who probably interviews people on a weekly basis on the latest diet fads and all this and

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they're just looking for like what's what's the simple formula what can I put on the magazine this week to get

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trending so like did you ever come up with like explaining that that energetic

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kind of formula piece wrapped around those changes well yeah I

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actually had kind of a similar thing and and that's the thing is like I I think everything works there's always somebody

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that will stand up and say this is the greatest thing ever this is the thing that works but I think it's something

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like that you were saying it's like it worked because there was other things that clicked into place like the it this

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thing whatever it was empowered them enough that they started to see things

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differently which is a little different than that particular thing taking the weight off your body you know it's there

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so so the way I so you know I I do have I have a class um it's a

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eight week program that I that I I have on my website where I I have broken down

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into you know adding something new every week but in the classes that I teach

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this is they they all have uh different principles to them so for instance week

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one is start taking some kind of a multivitamin some kind of a supplement

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that's it like and my and the goal is and I talk about this I said the goal is because what I want you to do I want you

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to to have in your mind and in your psyche and in your whole soul I am doing

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everything I'm supposed to do so that those do's and don'ts can kind of go

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away do you know what I mean because oh yeah you know like you said you get that motivation and you're like yeah yeah I'm

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not doing that and the human biology our humanness

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has all we have to accept that they have all these other parts that come in and say yeah but I really like that or I'm

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having a hard day today and that's what used to be my go-to and and that willpower so you know I say I say we can

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talk about weight loss as willpower or what if we thought about it as healing what if it was something that we looked

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at as let's go in and heal this thing you know because because for me I'm

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talking for me um those food

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was sometimes medicine for me in a way that wasn't

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helpful you know I remember after I lost my weight one day I was sitting there and I was really uncomfortable I was

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like what is going on today I and just feeling it and I had no reason for it really that I could do it but I

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recognized in myself I thought oh my old me would have made a big batch of chocolate chip cookies and that's how I

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would have I would have counted that day as good because of the chocolate chip cookies

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and that was fine at that time but now I knew that I was not feeling okay and

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that I needed to address that not feeling okay I needed to to acknowledge that I wasn't feeling okay instead of

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just you know I kind of touched it for five seconds like back out and over here into the cookies you know I was like I

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and I needed to hold that for a minute so I just sat there I was in the car waiting for my daughter come to come out

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of school and I just sat there and I was just sad for a minute I just I I mourned

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that I was sad and I mourned that I probably had felt this before and I and

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I didn't I pushed it aside but I was sad in that moment and even even if I didn't

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understand all of what it was that was causing that myself to be sad I was with myself in

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that in that sad and it and just that even that mind change made a difference

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so so it it's so my my plan I do have things that I have people do every week

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but it's all symbolic of a bigger picture and like like I say with step one it's like let's

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just because we have so many there's so many layers of on top of diets or losing

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weight you know it's all about what you shouldn't do or you know what what's bad what's labeled bad and just it is so

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different it's different for everybody some people they can't have certain things and other people it doesn't it

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doesn't bother them and so let's really get intuitive with our own selves and really feel ourselves what we need and

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so yeah so I do I have that class I think it's just it's just an online class I I think it's like a hundred

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bucks it's not that expensive but it just works you through every week There's a new

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um just a new habit to take on and to really reflect on things that

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um and really I hope Empower people to just feel like let's let's reprogram the

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way that you think about themselves for me that was a piece I I had had four children

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and and my friend uh was having she had she had some high cholesterol and things

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like that so she was going and working on with a nutritionist to get her her

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health in in order and I saw her lose all this weight and I

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realized that I mean when I saw her I just went oh she had four kids like me I all of a sudden I was like oh

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that's not a solid fact that I can't look or be thin if I've bird fourth

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children I mean it was just some kind of a belief I had taken on that I you know I had sacrificed my body because I had

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decided to have children I I don't know where that came from necessarily at the time but I but I recognized that belief

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that was you know really uh programming my way I was showing up in the world and

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so when I uncovered that belief and it just shattered immediately I knew within

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that was one of the big ones I knew within 24 hours that this was going to change it was just done because that

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truth was not a big T truth it was just an opinion that I held

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and when I could see it as an opinion and that I could change my mind it made it made a huge difference and so

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uh it wasn't so then I go into kind of looking at my food and all that stuff

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not from this this vantage point of losing the weight but as in saying ah I

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can do that instead of like I must not do this or I must not do this it was like I can be thin like that was a huge

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belief that I took on I I can be thin yeah that is a possibility and I didn't

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have that before so yeah so I have I have outlined it to answer your question I have outlined it and uh but I and I

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hope people take it with their own you know and they they experience it in their own way and and hopefully become

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empowered with it versus uh that and in fact along with that I do I I have a

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coaching program where I coach people for three months and to me it's more about

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being with that person it's more of almost like a therapy session where it's like because I think there's a lot of we

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have so much shame sometimes when we mess up which is in quotes yeah and I

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would like and I like to work people through all that they're feeling because I I that's just for me how I was it was

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like that day I was having a hard day that day and what would have been like if if I had somebody to go to and say oh

32:24

like last Thursday I was just feeling it and I just wanted to eat cookies and then you

32:30

have we work through that feeling we work through that emotion and figure that out and um so I think it's just

32:38

kind of a fascinating way it's very different than what you'll find you know what the norm is about losing weight but

32:46

yeah it's very it's very emotional and spiritual and mental very much so I'll

32:51

totally yeah and it's interesting that there's you know there's many um practices like many therapies I think

32:58

CBT does this I'm a little not too up to date with my CBT training but like uh

33:03

like uh going backwards from the behavior right so you're talking about like the behavior of like making cookies

33:08

or going to buy cookies and then just like smashing them in 10 minutes you know like well that that's a that's a

33:14

behavior that is a result of a particular set of thoughts and emotions and you know something that's something

33:20

that's going on right like backtracking backtracking that to the to the original thoughts that have come up and like is

33:27

there actually any validity to the to these thoughts that come up for me and I suppose once you

33:33

start um analyzing those you can actually because you're always going to feel times of sadness you're always going to

33:38

feel too much of anxiety and depression but can you put can you give yourself an alternative behavior that you that you

33:45

know is going to um benefit you a little bit better like

33:50

at the end of the day like I think I think an afternoon with a bag of cookies sounds awesome but uh I also know that

33:57

for that that going for a run or something or just you know meditating or doing some yoga or just changing my

34:03

environment and recognizing that you know it's okay to feel sad like it's okay to sit with that you don't I don't have to

34:09

um create a behavior to complete the experience of that thought right I can

34:14

sit with it and digest it and be with it and recognize the sadness is a normal part of life and uh and sitting with

34:21

that emotional state because we're not always going to be um capable and have the capacity to deal

34:28

with all of the things that that happened to us um I just want to ask you about because

34:33

we're just gliding through this podcast at the moment and there's a bunch of things I want to talk to you about weight loss but this has been awesome so

34:40

far maybe we can get you back on and continue this further but I want to ask you what is it what do we clearly have

34:46

wrong about like our conventional understanding of weight loss and I'm talking about those those like Men's

34:52

Health magazines and the women's Women's Health magazines and the horrific YouTube ads that I see about getting abs

34:59

in six weeks like what do we have so fundamentally unbelievably wrong and

35:05

what is it so why is it so why is it so it must be a reason why that same type

35:10

of publication is being pumped out there because people read it and they want to grab that quick fix so like what do we

35:16

have wrong and why why is it why is the narrative not changing

35:23

number one thing that we have wrong is like you mentioned before a specific standard of what is acceptable and and

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that acceptability is very narrow like no pun intended very narrow uh

35:38

a idea of what is beauty or what is

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um just the way that we're supposed to look we're all very very different to human beings but at this you know but at

35:51

the same time I I I I imagine and and I could be wrong but I I imagine I I think

35:58

if we took two people and we had two people who let's say that

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um one of them is heavier and one of them's thin and we put them on an island

36:11

somewhere and fed them the exact same food exactly the same food

36:17

um they might look a little different but and you know they wouldn't one might

36:22

be very slim like it has smaller bones or or that's I don't know if that's a thing but like there would be some

36:29

differences but you wouldn't have this huge obesity you know you wouldn't have

36:34

this person that kept obese and this person that didn't they they would begin to look similar so

36:41

um so what is the difference then is and and so we could just stop at that it's

36:46

the food that's the difference it's and that if you just eat this food then you're gonna look like this person but I

36:53

think behind that is another step where it's like why is that desire for food

37:00

there our bodies are meant to be fueled in a certain way and if we're eating beyond our capacity

37:09

something else is going on and I to me personally I think a lot of times well for me I think that was one way to numb

37:16

off that body if I am full if my insides are are stretched then I have less of

37:25

those I have less picking up on Sensations that are happening I so since I have

37:31

calmed myself and really paid attention to my internal body I get very distinct

37:37

messages about what's happening in my world and maybe even in the world around me I I a lot of people will call that

37:45

empathic being an empath and and that's very much true I I agree with it but it

37:50

is if we break that down I I have Sensations now we have a lot of empaths

37:56

that it's very destabilizing because they're just getting all these feelings so that's why it's important to

38:02

understand what those Sensations are you know I understand oh that sensation is

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grief or that sensation is is insecurity and then I can I can put words to it and

38:15

understand and figure out whether it's my own or whether it's someone else's but the fundamental thing I think is

38:20

to look past the food that's not the end of the story it's not just about

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um the physical parts of the regiment or food and exercise that's only one part

38:33

of it our thoughts and beliefs about ourselves um because I I say to people you only

38:40

have to convince one person so it doesn't matter what your size is if you walk out into the world feeling that you

38:46

are enough and beautiful the world will show up and meet you there

38:53

so we can do to you know we could work on we could do all the work and we could

38:58

we could restrict what the foods that we believe are bad

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we could exercise the amount that we believe is the right amount but

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if we we could also do the same work on on that mindset to where because that's

39:15

the thing too even when I lost my weight it wasn't like some magic switch came on that says wow guess what you're the

39:21

hottest thing ever it didn't I I felt good about myself but it wasn't like there was this huge switch that I would

39:28

have thought was there I would have thought I would have no problems being a thinner person I would have thought

39:35

you know these things so it was this real belief about myself those thoughts

39:40

and beliefs and then my emotions really focusing on emotions those are the Misunderstood parts of of weight loss

39:48

and and being able to sustain it over a long time and I think a lot of people use

39:56

different words they'll say yeah I just I just changed my whole life I changed my lifestyle you know it wasn't a I

40:02

didn't make small changes I made a lifestyle change I would guarantee you that part of that lifestyle change had

40:08

very much to do with their thoughts about what they're eating or their thoughts about what they looked like or

40:13

their thoughts about their abilities or their emotions about themselves or their emotions about how they show up and how

40:20

they're accepted within the world those were those were parts of it so um it you know yeah the

40:27

the the overall um way that we view the body as needing

40:35

to be a certain way is the very Vice that keeps us stuck

40:42

and to figure out what's our individual best looking at our individual best and

40:48

then doing the work to say that's enough because it's hard for all of us but it's but we can do it we can work enough to

40:54

say that we get to a point where say I am enough at this weight and at this

41:00

height and at this body shape and that can be anywhere along the Spectrum

41:05

you know but uh yeah being able to feel empowered yeah yeah totally I think I

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think with the like the the like the magazines and the Publications I just don't think they'll ever change because

41:19

I don't know how you could make um this like emotional energetic piece

41:24

look sexy on a front page of a cover like I just don't think it's I don't think it's possible at the end of the end of the day for me what you're

41:31

talking about is like what what energy do you carry most of the time what do you what do you

41:38

admit out there are you are you in more of a state of happiness joy gratitude or

41:45

are you in like the lines of the more kind of like negative emotions and like if you're let's save and even 20 30

41:53

carrying those negative emotions around with you your body's never really gonna be in a position to literally change

42:00

your change the matter change the physical part of you and you can go into

42:05

the um like digestive aspect of that like you know the people who carry a lot of stress with them a lot of the

42:10

negative emotions they're then their body is not really in a strong position to break down their food to create

42:16

nutrition for you you know like I'm convinced if you gave like the most

42:21

spiritually empowered monk a donut of diets for a month none of their body

42:27

markers would change right because they would be able to actually take the nutrition necessary from from a donut

42:34

and eliminate the stuff that they wouldn't need and actually be able to manufacture necessary nutrition because

42:40

that individual is is basically just like 100 percent full of like love love and gratitude I

42:47

suppose I don't know much about a month but I I presume that most of the time they're in more of like an enlightened

42:54

energetic deep Aura state where they're you know just in like the prime the

43:00

prime Way for their body to do what it does best which is to heal and make you feel good and to you know do all these

43:05

cool things so yeah like what energy is what energy is it that you're emitting what's your relationship with weight

43:11

loss what's your relationship with your body if it's anything remotely going towards the

43:17

um you know the the negative side you're gonna struggle it's just gonna you can do it you could there are totally people

43:24

out there that that change their bodies purely of their own like rage and self

43:30

anger and jealousy and all those things people can do it it's super super rare but people people can totally do that

43:36

they're not gonna they're not gonna be happier at the end of the day when they do get their amazing body and they they

43:41

look great they're never going to be happy with that because they're not changing psychology but it's it's interesting

43:48

that you know maybe that could be maybe the starting piece of a you know a a

43:54

deep habitual change with nutrition and food and all these other things that come with it can come in the the shape

44:00

of like self-reflection with like meditation and like slow bodied yoga and things like that and breathing becoming

44:06

more conscious and aware of like what is going on with the mind and the body creating that internal creation where we

44:12

can actually sense what's going on with our body and be a little bit more uh be a bit kinder to this beautiful

44:20

wonderful thing that's been you know that's just quite remarkable and

44:25

marvelous when we give it the um and we give it the time and space and nutrients to do what it does Best But we

44:32

just get in we get in our own way so so much especially from

44:37

the external things that we see you know from magazines and TV and these other things that we really really

44:43

unfortunately allow us to completely change our internal state to being dependent on what's going on around us

44:48

through our senses and forget that we do have this beautiful mind if you have this beautiful body that's got the

44:54

ability to create chemistry that will benefit us yeah um

45:01

yeah that's so profound and and I think and that's the thing too is like you bring up a point too we can move into we

45:08

do almost the same thing with that energy that we're emitted we we kind of say okay I gotta emit good energy good

45:16

energy good energy well there's the same wound there you know like let's look at it like you know sometimes we can so we

45:23

go on this like I I've done this myself you know you go on this like positive attitude diet you know like I'm gonna

45:29

have a positive attitude I'm gonna have a positive attitude and it's like and then when you can't or when you're

45:35

having a hard day then we go into shame because we're doing it right well what if just

45:42

what if we can't do it for a good reason you know what I mean what if in that moment we had like you say some

45:48

compassion for ourselves that we're having a hard time right now and for me I've always done better having a

45:56

practitioner help me through that I can it just is to have someone else work me through those feelings it's just been

46:03

beneficial to me because sometimes when I'm in my own head you know I don't know what's left and what's right sometimes

46:10

because you're just in that state but um you know like again like just sometimes

46:16

getting that positive we need help even getting that positive attitude and and it makes sense when we understand some

46:23

of these like I talked about before when we talk about some of these missing pieces that we've lost along our way you

46:30

know I I like the example I gave how can I ever feel like I would be good if I had kind of compartmentalized that away

46:37

put that away somewhere you know my psyche had taken that belief that I was good and shut it down and then I'm

46:44

expected to be good I can pretend I can I know how to act like I'm good I I'm aware of that but do I feel it no and

46:51

how empowering that is to actually just really authentically

46:56

have those positive emotions part of our toolbox and sometimes we need help help

47:03

with that sometimes that and and I think it's interesting sometimes that has

47:09

happened from a nutritional standpoint and then sometimes it's happening and you know and that the nutrition is

47:16

missing so we need to bring bring that in to support that and and it's like a

47:22

circular thing in the Sun and then that sometimes that nutrient comes in and then we're able to see that we have

47:27

these emotions or we're able to you know have the ability to um we it's like when one of the bodies is

47:34

is really depleted I can't help support this balanced way of being and so

47:41

when each body's in full flow then they support can support each other so I

47:46

think it's fantastic that you guys have taken on that role of being that that

47:52

really important food nutrient that can support

47:57

that part so that thou that part can also support this part and it could support this part our our health is the

48:04

number one thing if our health isn't isn't in uh flow is it in check that's

48:09

going to take a lot of our capacity that that just is so it's really important to

48:15

to look at Health in an important way and if we can't get to that Health understand why why we can't get there

48:22

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48:48

especially mineral deficiencies that we see with a lot of people and there's a lot of people who are even like that's

48:55

to say like mildly depressed or like super super like clinically depressed it's gonna be very very difficult for

49:01

those those individuals to even think about like eating a decent meal right placing their bodies to even have the

49:07

physical capability of breaking a good meal down like you could be you could be you could be pretty you could be pretty depressed or even multi-depressant eat a

49:14

really great nice organic meal every day your body's not going to be able to get the nutrients available for it right

49:20

that's never going to really like push you through the barrier to make you kind of like lift that cloud of like

49:26

depression to make you think different thoughts that aren't continuously spiraling you into a depression but when

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you're taking a broad spectrum micronutrient they're so that's that's processed in such a way chelated and

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49:45

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49:50

after just a few days people literally they say that it's like a veil is lifted

49:55

off off their mind and they're able to just like see the light at the end of the tunnel and it gives them the

50:01

capacity and the ability to think a little bit differently think about maybe

50:06

making a different Choice rather than going for the bag of cookies they might go for a walk and go to the farmer's

50:13

market and make their own food like it it's not gonna like heal you or cure you

50:18

you know in a very simple like one pill kind of a way like a one solution way it's just gonna give people the ability

50:26

to think about other things that are not making them depressed and then going out there and doing them because we know

50:32

that our mental health is it's holistic it's it's you know it's it's holism it's

50:37

just more than just like one aspect but if you if you're physically and mentally

50:43

not ever in a position to start thinking about those things moving your body sleeping better reducing screens

50:49

hydration blah blah blah we can go on forever you're never gonna be able to do them if your body is in it doesn't have the

50:55

resources resources to do to think about that in the first place but once you do then you can just start doing magical

51:00

things agreed I I totally agree I when I interact with the mental emotional

51:07

physical body those those kind of things I that to me we held a lot of emotion in

51:13

our abdomen that's where you know we have like if you think of like excitement it's usually in our abdomen

51:19

if you think of like fear it's usually in our abdomen we might have a lot of love and affection up here but we have a

51:25

lot in our and so and that's that's that's the place we

51:30

absorb nutrients like right that's that's where that magic happens is in our gut that's where we

51:37

um and so you know I think uh even piggybacking on the the weight loss or

51:44

or even that whole thing I you know it's like that idea of hunger and what are we

51:49

really hungry for and sometimes we need like you say we need that support so so we're getting that

51:56

nutrient so our body isn't hungering for something and then it can has the capacity to do to do other things so I

52:03

it totally makes sense to me it totally makes sense to me that you're having success with that that's that's

52:08

great beautiful um just before we finish up how's your husband doing now

52:14

you know it's been fascinating we have a really good therapist that he works with

52:19

and understanding that for him uh his childhood wounding wasn't what

52:26

happened but what didn't happen and it registered in his body as these as pain

52:33

with no memory really attached to it because it you know if you don't get

52:39

this attention you know if you don't get hey how was your day today

52:44

uh we need that biologically we biologically need to be seen and heard

52:49

and when that didn't happen you know he he had enough food and he had enough clothing and enough

52:56

but there was no Attunement there he so in that still face experiment he had

53:02

dealt with that kind of a experience for most of his childhood and it had caused

53:08

a lot of um beliefs to be formed as well as these

53:13

emotional wounds that are stored in his body so working through some of those things

53:19

learning about some of the learning about the a score I don't know if you know anything about that that the ace

53:26

study which is adverse childhood experiences and how they can correlate

53:32

those experiences in childhood uh up against some of these diseases like the

53:38

correlations are just huge hundreds of percent versus you know you you have about when

53:45

you move into four adverse childhood experiences if you go to my website michellewegle.com and scroll to the

53:52

bottom you can click on that and take the test it's just a 10 question test uh

53:57

I talk about it um I have a podcast I for the wholeness network podcast we did an episode a

54:03

couple a couple back where I really went into the a score and talked about the the correlations and how you know we

54:10

have these experiences in our childhood and they've correlated them into uh with you know at four if you have

54:18

four your your um probability of getting maybe some

54:25

these autoimmune diseases go up by like 400 percent like we're not just saying

54:31

hey it's not a 50 chance it's like hundreds of percent you're the suicide rate is up twelve hundred percent and

54:38

the thing is is these things it's not just that happened to us but they are built into the telomeres of our

54:45

DNA and get passed down through generations so it might not even been our thing it might not even been our

54:52

trauma that we're experiencing So yeah thank you for asking he's doing much better we're understanding

54:59

those wounds and how they show up and how this need to be on high alert

55:07

um was what was causing a lot of the depression and anxiety but it was his nervous system was developed under the

55:13

state of anxiety and that became his normal state so yeah it's default so and

55:21

it you can keep up with it for so long but once we hit sometimes we get those 40s you know those 40s come and

55:28

everything starts to slow down but no I've got to have this I've got to keep this up I've got to keep up this

55:34

hyper vigilance because that's what's keeping me um alive you know to be on alert and out

55:41

making sure I'm not going to get hurt so calming doing those exercises that I

55:46

there's a lot of Reiki I do for him that helps calm that nervous system down get

55:52

that nervous system to feel safe and secure once again so yeah he's doing

55:57

amazingly and um it's been really interesting to see it's really been

56:03

influential for me to really look at trauma I've gone back and been trauma trained in a couple different modalities

56:09

in different areas to really understand trauma and how that affects us and how

56:15

it's a real you know what what is considered trauma and what does that look like and and how does it show up

56:21

and and what are our responses so yeah thank you for asking he's doing well

56:26

that's great I'm glad to hear that so where can people connect with you

56:31

well I I have a website my website is my name mishawingle.com and then I also I'm

56:37

an owner of and founder of uh a great platform called the wholeness Network

56:42

and what we've done there is we've created a library of small videos uh you know five ten

56:50

minutes we want it to be just easy but it's like Netflix for wellness and we've just got a lot of videos in there we

56:56

have um there's videos you can go along I've done a bunch of tapping videos you know

57:01

so when you're having some anxiety you can get on there I work you through a tapping exercise we

57:07

have um all kinds of support it's support for mental emotional physical and spiritual and then we also have all kinds of

57:14

emotional things where if I'm feeling depressed or if I'm anxious or if I'm experiencing grief or or those kind of

57:21

things so it's this Library this video library that we have that's amazing and we've just started

57:28

um we added to that this whole new kind of platform so that was just kind of a video you know these videos and now

57:34

we've added some Live Events so you can go in and we have about we have our experts that come on

57:40

um live and I'm starting a twice a month um

57:45

a twice a month Gathering online there called thrive on where I I've created a

57:50

step program I think the the 12 steps are really really fascinating and so I

57:56

kind of created my own and we were working the steps for whatever you've got going on and so that's that's part

58:01

of the library and it's great so that's the wholeness the wholenessnetwork.com it's where you can go there and just uh

58:09

everything wholeness is my passion beautiful that's great but I'll make sure that all those links are available

58:15

in the show notes for people to connect with you with those for those programs those videos and also your website as

58:20

well and I've got your social media tags as well that's just your name as well so that's that's easy that's perfect but

58:25

thank you so much for coming on to True Hope cast today I think we covered some really beautiful topics and I think we I

58:32

think we had a great chat I hope yeah I hope you do too yeah it was a pleasure to be with you I I support all that

58:39

you're doing I think you guys are amazing and I I wish and send all my blessings to your work and I

58:46

see it as uh vital to our well-being so thank you for

58:51

for doing the work of course well thank you so much thank you again and uh that is it for this

58:57

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59:02

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